report DJ wants 5 year 75 million ??

[Dwinsgames]

this guy is smoking the REALLY good stuff !!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfTiBn8KGgU&ab_channel=Off-seasonProductions

[Mojouw]

Totally reasonable for his production.

Someone will give him that or very close to it.

[Dwinsgames]

Totally reasonable for his production.

Someone will give him that or very close to it.


i'd trade his ass and use the pick /picks to replace him

[teegre]

Some average receivers are getting $12-$14 million… and simultaneously Cooper Kupp makes about that much.

DJ is no Kupp, but he’s also better than Robbie Anderson.

SUMMATION:
:huh:

[Mojouw]

i'd trade his ass and use the pick /picks to replace him

And that may be the right move. It’s going to be a whole new Steelers world now. They don’t have a QB to pay for a bit. They can “overpay” for other pieces. If they want.

[cubanstogie]

Buh bye. Dude is a dime a dozen.

[Steeler-in-west]

Sounds like he’s been talking to Bell…

[hawaiiansteeler]

i'd trade his ass and use the pick /picks to replace him

if JuJu leaves, we may be looking at drafting a WR early the next two drafts.

[Fire Goodell]

He wants 75 million, I want 0 dropped passes

[Shoes]

He wants 75 million, I want 0 dropped passes

and neither will happen. DJ doesn't have the mentality to be a great player.

[NCSteeler]

Buh bye. Dude is a dime a dozen.Really? Dude had a couple of bad drops and now hes a dime a dozen.

His thre year career hes at 62% catch rate, just for reference jerry rice has a career 62% also.

AB , likely a generational talent has a 66%

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[Dwinsgames]

if JuJu leaves, we may be looking at drafting a WR early the next two drafts.


if we could get a decent enough pick , ( or maybe 2 picks the way some think of him ) that might cover the WR problem left in its wake

[86WARD]

Offer DJ a contract. He doesn’t take it, offer it to JuJu. I’d be perfectly fine with JuJu, Claypool and a couple of middle tiered free agents and a draft pick.

[Dwinsgames]

Offer DJ a contract. He doesn’t take it, offer it to JuJu. I’d be perfectly fine with JuJu, Claypool and a couple of middle tiered free agents and a draft pick.


Mike Wallace / AB 2.0

[cubanstogie]

Really? Dude had a couple of bad drops and now hes a dime a dozen.

His thre year career hes at 62% catch rate, just for reference jerry rice has a career 62% also.

AB , likely a generational talent has a 66%

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Great stat , lol. A couple of drops, again lol. Pretty sure he led the league in drops or close to it in 2020. Im not sure of a team in league where he’d be number one receiver except us yet ID take Claypool over him. a bunch of teams he’d be number 3 receiver.

[86WARD]

Mike Wallace / AB 2.0

https://media0.giphy.com/media/fLTuUiFUwdyppiLxvx/giphy.gif

[Dwinsgames]

Really? Dude had a couple of bad drops and now hes a dime a dozen.

His thre year career hes at 62% catch rate, just for reference jerry rice has a career 62% also.

AB , likely a generational talent has a 66%

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my issue is his drops always seem to come at the most inopportune times ...when the lights are on and its a big moment you can almost count on the fact that he will NOT make the play ..

3 times in the playoffs this year with us tied at zero or up by 7 he had drive ending drops where we could have extended the lead and gave ourselves a chance but DJ couldnt make the routine play routinely ....

[NCSteeler]

Great stat , lol. A couple of drops, again lol. Pretty sure he led the league in drops or close to it in 2020. Im not sure of a team in league where he’d be number one receiver except us yet ID take Claypool over him. a bunch of teams he’d be number 3 receiver.In 2020 he eanked 10th at a 13% drop rate not good. Ill give you that. 2019 and 2021 he had a 3% drop rate. Never had a problem with it in college either.

Ipl also say this dor DJ and Claypool, this season it was kind of rare to get a nice spiral smooth pass. Lot of tumbling ducks

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[NCSteeler]

my issue is his drops always seem to come at the most inopportune times ...when the lights are on and its a big moment you can almost count on the fact that he will NOT make the play ..

3 times in the playoffs this year with us tied at zero or up by 7 he had drive ending drops where we could have extended the lead and gave ourselves a chance but DJ couldnt make the routine play routinely ....Definitely thats why they seem to be magnified.

One thing about hines, AB , heath, doobio and the like. When the game was on the line they rarelt fucked up

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[Born2Steel]

What is he going to say really? It's a contract season for him. I guess he could say the league minimum would be fine, but that would be terrible negotiation tactics. "I want what the top WRs in the league make" is the right thing to say. Negotiate from there. Unless you guys have read somewhere he says it's either $15M/yr or he walks. I think JuJu is probably in the $8M-$12M per year range. If JuJu is WR2, then DJ's market is probably $10M-$15M/year. Reasonable? I think so.

[86WARD]

What is he going to say really? It's a contract season for him. I guess he could say the league minimum would be fine, but that would be terrible negotiation tactics. "I want what the top WRs in the league make" is the right thing to say. Negotiate from there. Unless you guys have read somewhere he says it's either $15M/yr or he walks. I think JuJu is probably in the $8M-$12M per year range. If JuJu is WR2, then DJ's market is probably $10M-$15M/year. Reasonable? I think so.

I think the debate stands at whether the team believes he’s a number one receiver.

[EzraTank]

Mike Wallace / AB 2.0

I would take an AB 2.0 (minus the insanity).

[Dwinsgames]

I would take an AB 2.0 (minus the insanity).

wasn't saying he is AB 2.0 ... saying the suggested situation is Mike Wallace / AB 2.0 .. meaning Steelers offered Wallace he declined so they then offered it to AB and he quickly took it

[Mojouw]

Great stat , lol. A couple of drops, again lol. Pretty sure he led the league in drops or close to it in 2020. Im not sure of a team in league where he’d be number one receiver except us yet ID take Claypool over him. a bunch of teams he’d be number 3 receiver.

C'mon. That's just silly. https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchartpos/wr

DJ is easily better than the entire WR depth chart of the Dolphins, Patriots, Jets, Texans, Jaguars, Lions, and Falcons.

DJ would be one of the 2 best WR on about 1/3 of the league's rosters if he swapped in today. I suspect if we really got into it; it would be far higher.

He plays the X spot alone in the formation with no scheme help to get off the LOS. Yet he is able to use his physical abilities to shake loose from DBs. That skill alone is worth a ton in the NFL. Teams are always looking for that. Then, despite what many here seem to think, he runs great routes and is a dynamic threat in the open field. Again, two skills the NFL is always looking for and willing to pay through the nose for.

He cleaned up his drops for the most part this year. Somehow averages over 10 yards a catch every season (some over 11) while averaging 7 yards or less per target. That is a pretty clear amount of YAC every time he touches the ball. And he is entering his 4th season...I mean this is a recipe for getting paid in the NFL.

Here is an interesting comparison: https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=JohnDi01&p1yrfrom=2019&p1yrto=2021&player_id2=BrowAn04&p2yrfrom=2012&p2yrto=2014

DJ's first 3 full seasons and AB's 3rd through 5 seasons (his first 3 as a full-time player). DJ is only 50 receptions behind. BUT... those were for 1200 more yards and 6 more TDs. I am not saying that DJ is AB. That would be ridiculous. AB was a machine.

But Steelers fans are the only NFL watchers I am aware of that look at DJ and are like that is crappy WR that should just be discarded. He's flawed but even with those flaws is easily a top tier target.

[Born2Steel]

I think the debate stands at whether the team believes he’s a number one receiver.



Debate settled:

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers-team-stats?category=receiving&sort=rec_yyds&season=2021&seasonType=reg&sortOrder=desc

[cubanstogie]

Really, DJ is easily better than Waddle, St Brown, Ridley. I admit I don’t care for a guy who drops passes and fumbles away games at end of year and demands 15 mill a year, so maybe my anger at him is distorting his value . But honestly I look at half the league and he’d be third string.
bengals, rams, chiefs, bills, niners , Cowboys, TB, Titans( with healthy Julio)Vikings, Seahawks , chargers and Packers.

[Mojouw]

Really, DJ is easily better than Waddle, St Brown, Ridley. I admit I don’t care for a guy who drops passes and fumbles away games at end of year and demands 15 mill a year, so maybe my anger at him is distorting his value . But honestly I look at half the league and he’d be third string.
bengals, rams, chiefs, bills, niners , Cowboys, TB, Titans( with healthy Julio)Vikings, Seahawks , chargers and Packers.

Ridley may never play football again. So I am not counting him in this discussion.

St. Brown had like, what, a handful of good games at the end of a season? Let's see him play the X and not have the advantage of scheme and formation to assist him in getting open. Maybe I am all wrong on this, but I believe that the X gets jammed and pressed at the line to interfere with their release far more than the slot guy, who often gets a free release. Plenty of otherwise dynamic WRs that flopped in the NFL because they couldn't get off the LOS solo.

Waddle I don't find impressive at all. But...that could be because I find Tua and the entire Dolphins offense totally underwhelming.

I figure DJ would be the 2nd WR on the Packers, Bills, Chiefs, and Chargers. Robert Woods makes like $15 million per year to do that for the Rams.

I get that Steelers fans, myself included, find ourselves cursing and throwing the remote a bit too often with DJ on gamedays, but I strongly believe that he would be a high demand player if he made it to UFA. Like the kind that signs for big $$$ in the first week or so.

[Born2Steel]

DJ or any player doesn't have to be worth his wage for every team across the league to be worth it to one. The Steelers have rarely paid second big contracts for WRs. This is an offense in flux now though so things could work differently. I'm not going to take a firm stand either way.

[Dwinsgames]

Fun Fact ... James Washington had more receiving yards than Ray Ray in 2021 with 1/3 less target and 1/3 of the drops

another fun fact JuJu had 5 starts and only 129 receiving yards thats a paltry 25 yards per game so his free agency offers may not be what many think they will be ...

another fun fact Zach Gentry 3 less targets and 4 more catches than JuJu on the season and more total yards receiving

[BlackAndGold]

DJ is one of the best receivers and route runners in football. This past season he had 107 catches, 1167 yards, and 8 TD's. Imagine if he had prime Ben throwing to him.
Yes, he ended the season on a inconsistent note but lets not forget that the drops were not an issue for most of the season. DJ is about to turn 26 years old, the beginning of his prime years, $15m per will be a bargain.

[Mojouw]

Plus...the cap is back to going up every year. Almost everyone has cap space again.

While I have no idea if it would be a good move for the Steelers to give DJ a massive second contract...I have absolutely no doubt that someone will.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I would prefer spending the $15 million/year on a lockdown CB.

[dislocatedday]

It seems to me like many people are mostly focused on, and just remember the drops and fumbles DJ had, and not all the good plays he made which were many. I'm stunned that people think he would be a #3 WR on most teams, which is just not true at all.

My opinion may not be popular, but $75M for 5 years does not seem unreasonable to me in the current NFL landscape for a player with DJ's talent and production so far.

[Dwinsgames]

It seems to me like many people are mostly focused on, and just remember the drops and fumbles DJ had, and not all the good plays he made which were many. I'm stunned that people think he would be a #3 WR on most teams, which is just not true at all.

My opinion may not be popular, but $75M for 5 years does not seem unreasonable to me in the current NFL landscape for a player with DJ's talent and production so far.

like Hawaii said , seems that money would be much better spent on a lockdown corner ( that we seemingly have no clue how to draft ) and draft a WR which we have had pretty good success at doing

[dislocatedday]

like Hawaii said , seems that money would be much better spent on a lockdown corner ( that we seemingly have no clue how to draft ) and draft a WR which we have had pretty good success at doing

I would not be opposed to that, if they can get a proven lockdown corner at that cost. I think JC Jackson with NE is a free agent, but I can't see the Patriots not signing him or using the franchise tag on him. I'm not sure what others might be free agents this year.

[teegre]

I would not be opposed to that, if they can get a proven lockdown corner at that cost. I think JC Jackson with NE is a free agent, but I can't see the Patriots not signing him or using the franchise tag on him. I'm not sure what others might be free agents this year.

Carlton Davis (from the Buccaneers)

[dislocatedday]

Carlton Davis (from the Buccaneers)

That's right, and he is still young. I did not watch too much of the Buccaneers this year, but would Carlton Davis be worth that amount of money? Maybe he is an elite corner......I just don't know much about him to be honest.

[teegre]

That's right, and he is still young. I did not watch too much of the Buccaneers this year, but would Carlton Davis be worth that amount of money? Maybe he is an elite corner......I just don't know much about him to be honest.

He’s not in the Marlon Humphrey range, but he’d easily be the best corner we’ve had since Ike.

[dislocatedday]

He’s not in the Marlon Humphrey range, but he’d easily be the best corner we’ve had since Ike.

Akhello Witherspoon (assuming Steelers resign him) and Carlton Davis on the outside, and Cam as the slot corner sounds like a pretty good trio of starting caliber CBs to me.

[cubanstogie]

like Hawaii said , seems that money would be much better spent on a lockdown corner ( that we seemingly have no clue how to draft ) and draft a WR which we have had pretty good success at doingI agree, every draft there’s probably 10 guys that can do what DJ does. Great that he’s a good route runner, but 10 yards a catch doesn’t impress me.

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It seems to me like many people are mostly focused on, and just remember the drops and fumbles DJ had, and not all the good plays he made which were many. I'm stunned that people think he would be a #3 WR on most teams, which is just not true at all.

My opinion may not be popular, but $75M for 5 years does not seem unreasonable to me in the current NFL landscape for a player with DJ's talent and production so far.
Well I posted 10-15 teams where IMO he would be third. Obviously it’s debatable, and there’s no debating he is talented. But like I said every draft there’s 10 or so guys who could step in and catch 4 slants or screens , drop one and avg 10 yards. 15 mill too much.

[DesertSteel]

I agree, every draft there’s probably 10 guys that can do what DJ does. Great that he’s a good route runner, but 10 yards a catch doesn’t impress me.
But people want to pay $10M for Juju’s 8 YPC.

DJ’s 1200 yards in that offense is nearly a miracle. With a real QB he’d do 1600.

[Mojouw]

It seems to me like many people are mostly focused on, and just remember the drops and fumbles DJ had, and not all the good plays he made which were many. I'm stunned that people think he would be a #3 WR on most teams, which is just not true at all.

My opinion may not be popular, but $75M for 5 years does not seem unreasonable to me in the current NFL landscape for a player with DJ's talent and production so far.

It’s basically exactly what basic math says DJ is worth in the 2022 NFL. Almost like his agents do this for a living.

WR contracts are going to explode north of $20 million any day now. Rumored that some guys are already angling for $25 million.

[Born2Steel]

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/stats/wr.php

....this chart will show fair comparison of WRs in 2021.

[hawaiiansteeler]

It’s basically exactly what basic math says DJ is worth in the 2022 NFL. Almost like his agents do this for a living.

WR contracts are going to explode north of $20 million any day now. Rumored that some guys are already angling for $25 million.

Davante Adams reportedly seeking contract near $30 million per year

https://sportsnaut.com/davante-adams-seeking-contract-near-30-million/

[Born2Steel]

In an unrelated story.....NFL teams are building for a more run oriented offense.

[Dwinsgames]

Davante Adams reportedly seeking contract near $30 million per year

https://sportsnaut.com/davante-adams-seeking-contract-near-30-million/


players wanting this much want $500 ticket prices per game and $300 basic jersey prices, because teams just cant pay double digit millions for every starter at current cap rates and still field a full roster worthy of contention ...

[86WARD]

Debate settled:

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers-team-stats?category=receiving&sort=rec_yyds&season=2021&seasonType=reg&sortOrder=desc

Devils advocate: Is it though?

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[Born2Steel]

Devils advocate: Is it though?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220212/072e5e0c065552330ae18804fb089f72.jpg

Yep. 64 more targets than the next WR. 48 more receptions. 300 more yards. The most RECTDs and the most yards per game. That would equate to WR1.

[86WARD]

Yep. 64 more targets than the next WR. 48 more receptions. 300 more yards. The most RECTDs and the most yards per game. That would equate to WR1.

People say Hines wasn’t a #1. People say JuJu wasn’t a #1 yet they still put up #1 numbers. Maybe it’s possible DJ isn’t a #1 but puts up #1 stats…???

[86WARD]

I’m more confident that another team will pay him and he will take that then the Steelers paying him what he would accept…

[Born2Steel]

People say Hines wasn’t a #1. People say JuJu wasn’t a #1 yet they still put up #1 numbers. Maybe it’s possible DJ isn’t a #1 but puts up #1 stats…???

Then give me the definition of WR1. Maybe I don't understand what we're talking about.

[Born2Steel]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/PIT/pittsburgh-steelers/depth-chart/

[86WARD]

Then give me the definition of WR1. Maybe I don't understand what we're talking about.

DJ is a number one receiver to me. He’s always shown me the flashes of AB in him when he has the ball in his hands. I’ve mentioned that many times in the game day threads. JuJu was a number one and so was Hines. JuJu got “demoted to a WR2” because he was being used incorrectly if I’m remembering right. Hines wasn’t the most talented player but he always put up the number one statistics, played 100% every play and had the leadership of a number one guy. People rag on those two like they weren’t number one receivers…but they were. They weren’t top-tier but they played like a Number One guy and produced like a Number One.

In regards to just posting a team stat line: There’s a difference to me between a WR1 and a Number One WR. A WR1 could be Amon St. Brown. A Number One WR could be Davante Adams. So I think there’s a difference in the definition and the literal definition. AB would be a Number One receiver on many teams…maybe even the Steelers…head case issues removed. On the Buccaneers he was number 3 or 4. The stat sheet doesn’t mean he is or isn’t the number one guy.

But to answer your question, I think the number one receiver definition is going to change from team to team and person to person. For me it’s about talent, leadership, passion and dependability. Adams has all four. Evans has all four. DJ has about 3.5 out of four and improving.

Short answer: you and I believe the same. I think maybe where we differ is I offer DJ a contract and if he doesn’t like it, I offer it to JuJu and I am happy rolling with JuJu and Claypool and a couple draft picks/free agents. He hasn’t earned the AB contract yet…

[Born2Steel]

DJ is a number one receiver to me. He’s always shown me the flashes of AB in him when he has the ball in his hands. I’ve mentioned that many times in the game day threads. JuJu was a number one and so was Hines. JuJu got “demoted to a WR2” because he was being used incorrectly if I’m remembering right. Hines wasn’t the most talented player but he always put up the number one statistics, played 100% every play and had the leadership of a number one guy. People rag on those two like they weren’t number one receivers…but they were. They weren’t top-tier but they played like a Number One guy and produced like a Number One.

In regards to just posting a team stat line: There’s a difference to me between a WR1 and a Number One WR. A WR1 could be Amon St. Brown. A Number One WR could be Davante Adams. So I think there’s a difference in the definition and the literal definition. AB would be a Number One receiver on many teams…maybe even the Steelers…head case issues removed. On the Buccaneers he was number 3 or 4. The stat sheet doesn’t mean he is or isn’t the number one guy.

But to answer your question, I think the number one receiver definition is going to change from team to team and person to person. For me it’s about talent, leadership, passion and dependability. Adams has all four. Evans has all four. DJ has about 3.5 out of four and improving.

Short answer: you and I believe the same. I think maybe where we differ is I offer DJ a contract and if he doesn’t like it, I offer it to JuJu and I am happy rolling with JuJu and Claypool and a couple draft picks/free agents. He hasn’t earned the AB contract yet…

Not that different really. I think that is exactly what happens. The Steelers will offer DJ and JuJu, and probably somewhat comparable contracts. It most likely won't be quite WR1 money but good WR2 money. I like both guys for the Steelers wouldn't overpay to keep either. The problem with re-signing JuJu will be he played on a 1yr/$8M contract last season. Will he stay at that same price? If he doesn't, DJ becomes more expensive.

I also think Claypool had a down season due to a toe injury that held him back, and an apparent right arm injury that required offseason surgery. I like what we have with him.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Maybe DJ's asking price is a bit high, but if he doesnt get what he wants he may just Drop It.

[Moose]

There is a couple problems I have with the DJ wants and the WR issue. One problem on DJ is his 'dependability' on catching and HOLDING onto the ball, especially on big plays. You just can't count on him being the go to guy. Therefore, I'd question the dollar amount. And JuJu I feel is getting injury prone, so does he deserve the 'go to guy' in a big play when he may not be in all games. WR's are getting plentiful in drafts and agencies.

[teegre]

There is a couple problems I have with the DJ wants and the WR issue. One problem on DJ is his 'dependability' on catching and HOLDING onto the ball, especially on big plays. You just can't count on him being the go to guy. Therefore, I'd question the dollar amount. And JuJu I feel is getting injury prone, so does he deserve the 'go to guy' in a big play when he may not be in all games. WR's are getting plentiful in drafts and agencies.

Injury-prone? I don’t see it. Yes, busted his shoulder… but, he also came back (when he didn’t have to return). That’s the kind of toughness Hines Ward displayed. Sign me up for that.

[NCSteeler]

Injury-prone? I don’t see it. Yes, busted his shoulder… but, he also came back (when he didn’t have to return). That’s the kind of toughness Hines Ward displayed. Sign me up for that.Agreed.

Also #1 is clearly DJ at this point. Percentage of offensive snaps is most likely north of 90% that's how you define who the guy is

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[DesertSteel]

Injury-prone? I don’t see it. Yes, busted his shoulder… but, he also came back (when he didn’t have to return). That’s the kind of toughness Hines Ward displayed. Sign me up for that.
Agree on the injury and toughness angle. If you're the GM, how much are you giving Juju to get him to stay?

[hawaiiansteeler]

Agree on the injury and toughness angle. If you're the GM, how much are you giving Juju to get him to stay?

imo, JuJu is as good as gone.

[Dwinsgames]

Yep. 64 more targets than the next WR. 48 more receptions. 300 more yards. The most RECTDs and the most yards per game. That would equate to WR1.

when 48 reception ( more ) equates to just 300 yards more ..... color me unimpressed with that 6.25 average per catch "extra" .. I'd expect that from a fullback

[EzraTank]

But people want to pay $10M for Juju’s 8 YPC.

DJ’s 1200 yards in that offense is nearly a miracle. With a real QB he’d do 1600.

Exactly. No knock on Ben, who clearly lost his skills after the elbow stuff, but with a QB that could hit DJ in stride or deep, he's a different receiver.