Tomlin Says He has No Issue With Canada's Playcalling.

[Shoes]

I swear this team delights in being embarrassed.



"I have no reservations about the play calling component of his job and what he's done"


https://steelersdepot.com/2021/12/tomlin-says-he-has-no-issues-with-canadas-playcalling/

[DesertSteel]

!@$#%*#

[Mojouw]

I swear this team delights in being embarrassed.



"I have no reservations about the play calling component of his job and what he's done"


https://steelersdepot.com/2021/12/tomlin-says-he-has-no-issues-with-canadas-playcalling/

Didn't watch the video bit the text from the article is about what I'd expect him to say.

Tomlin rarely indicts players or coaches in public. Few good bosses do.

As fans we'd all love to see/hear it. But it would be a catastrophe for the actual workplace of an NFL team.

Some coaches do it. Their team usually falls apart even more. Then they're out the door right behind the coordinator.

What's fascinating to speculate on is what is said behind closed doors. And we will never know. The Tomlin-Colbert Steelers "leak" less than almost any other non-Patriots operation out there.

I'm certain it's different.

[Edman]

I have no issues with it either.

Limited QB, Poor O-Line, Rookies at skill positions, mediocre receivers. This team is playing up to its talent level, and what they have isn't much.

[Steeler-in-west]

I don't agree, those bubble screens against fast defenses and ill timed sweeps for short yardage runs leave a lot to be desired.

[Shoes]

Didn't watch the video bit the text from the article is about what I'd expect him to say.

Tomlin rarely indicts players or coaches in public. Few good bosses do.

As fans we'd all love to see/hear it. But it would be a catastrophe for the actual workplace of an NFL team.

Some coaches do it. Their team usually falls apart even more. Then they're out the door right behind the coordinator.

What's fascinating to speculate on is what is said behind closed doors. And we will never know. The Tomlin-Colbert Steelers "leak" less than almost any other non-Patriots operation out there.

I'm certain it's different.


It's been rather catastrophic on game day all season and this team has lost its way imo.

[Mojouw]

It's been rather catastrophic on game day all season and this team has lost its way imo.

I can see that. I just don't think this is a team adrift on the open sea or lost in the wilderness as I feel that many do.

It is just a team that is not currently fielding NFL starters at too many core positions.

Along the offensive line, Chuks Okorafor is the best offensive lineman. That is not great. I get why the rest are playing...but sheesh...they are the worst line in football.

On defense, Mondeaux, Spillane, Wormley, Adams, Maulet, and a host of others are not guys you want playing the massive snap counts that they are. John Simon went from a PS to eating snaps last week. Adams went from a PS to being the second best available defensive lineman on the team.

The don't even have credible back-up safeties and CBs.

I see guys that compete hard, seem to know where they are intended to be on every play but lack the physical skills to execute consistently in the NFL. And many of the names I listed or insert your personal favorites into the list, would be "fine" if they were playing rotational minutes to give the starter a break. Or had to play a game here or there because of injury. Like that is exactly why a guy like Wormley is on the roster. But to have these guys be starters? Ooof da!

[ThorndikeFFA]

There's a vast gulf between 'I have no problem with the play calling' and public indictments of staff and players.

No, he actually has no problem with it because he's dumb as tube sock full of hair. It's time to face facts.

[Mojouw]

There's a vast gulf between 'I have no problem with the play calling' and public indictments of staff and players.

No, he actually has no problem with it because he's dumb as tube sock full of hair. It's time to face facts.

Help me understand what that looks/sounds like?

I am not seeing the line you would like a HC to walk in this situation.

How is anything but an endorsement not an indictment?

But what is the answer to the question you would like to have heard that doesn't basically say your are firing your OC in 3 weeks and also doesn't endorse your OC? Can that be done?

[Shoes]

I can see that. I just don't think this is a team adrift on the open sea or lost in the wilderness as I feel that many do.

It is just a team that is not currently fielding NFL starters at too many core positions.

Along the offensive line, Chuks Okorafor is the best offensive lineman. That is not great. I get why the rest are playing...but sheesh...they are the worst line in football.

On defense, Mondeaux, Spillane, Wormley, Adams, Maulet, and a host of others are not guys you want playing the massive snap counts that they are. John Simon went from a PS to eating snaps last week. Adams went from a PS to being the second best available defensive lineman on the team.

The don't even have credible back-up safeties and CBs.

I see guys that compete hard, seem to know where they are intended to be on every play but lack the physical skills to execute consistently in the NFL. And many of the names I listed or insert your personal favorites into the list, would be "fine" if they were playing rotational minutes to give the starter a break. Or had to play a game here or there because of injury. Like that is exactly why a guy like Wormley is on the roster. But to have these guys be starters? Ooof da!


You have to wonder why Rooney would draft Harris and expect the running game to improve without beefing up the oline. There is something rotten going on and it's not in Denmark. All this talent lack seems to be a Rooney, Colbert, Tomlin and scout problem. I also think there is a lack of strong leadership on the player side.

[ThorndikeFFA]

How about:

"We will sit down and take a hard look at the situations and the calls to make sure we're all on the same page going forward. There's a lot of moving parts that have to all come together for plays to produce the outcomes we are hoping for in these key situations; sometimes it's the call and sometimes it's the execution. We'll take a hard look at it like we always do and work together to be better as a team and a coaching staff."

Or, "oh, yeah, I'm fine with it.' Duhhhhhhhhhh!

I get it, it's not easy competing on the road against a good team with 20% of an OL, half a WR corps, and a third of a healthy defense. I fully expect to lose that game. What I don't expect is for the team to look like they're completely lost, have no idea what they're doing, have the coaching staff call plays that wouldn't work against a good high school team, and be embarrassed on national TV. THEN have the coach say that he has 'no problem' with a part of that.

Or is Mike just mailing shit in right now along with his squad and staff?

[DesertSteel]

Didn't watch the video bit the text from the article is about what I'd expect him to say.

Tomlin rarely indicts players or coaches in public. Few good bosses do.

As fans we'd all love to see/hear it. But it would be a catastrophe for the actual workplace of an NFL team.

Some coaches do it. Their team usually falls apart even more. Then they're out the door right behind the coordinator.

What's fascinating to speculate on is what is said behind closed doors. And we will never know. The Tomlin-Colbert Steelers "leak" less than almost any other non-Patriots operation out there.

I'm certain it's different.
What he should've said, IMO, is, "We're all below the standard right now. Every coach and both sides of the ball. The time for individual evaluations will come after the season."

[teegre]

It is simultaneously being reported that Tomlin stated that he has no problem with Ben calling all of the plays.

[Steeler-in-west]

It is simultaneously being reported that Tomlin stated that he has no problem with Ben calling all of the plays.

It worked for Terry Bradshaw

[Mojouw]

How about:

"We will sit down and take a hard look at the situations and the calls to make sure we're all on the same page going forward. There's a lot of moving parts that have to all come together for plays to produce the outcomes we are hoping for in these key situations; sometimes it's the call and sometimes it's the execution. We'll take a hard look at it like we always do and work together to be better as a team and a coaching staff."

Or, "oh, yeah, I'm fine with it.' Duhhhhhhhhhh!

I get it, it's not easy competing on the road against a good team with 20% of an OL, half a WR corps, and a third of a healthy defense. I fully expect to lose that game. What I don't expect is for the team to look like they're completely lost, have no idea what they're doing, have the coaching staff call plays that wouldn't work against a good high school team, and be embarrassed on national TV. THEN have the coach say that he has 'no problem' with a part of that.

Or is Mike just mailing shit in right now along with his squad and staff?


What he should've said, IMO, is, "We're all below the standard right now. Every coach and both sides of the ball. The time for individual evaluations will come after the season."

Fair enough, fellas. I see what you are getting at now.

Personally, I don't see an important difference between the two statements. I just assume that anything an NFL coach or player says on the record and in front of reporters/cameras/podcasters/whatever is some sort of pre-filtered cliched non-speak BS.

If it comes out that "behind the scenes" no one is really doing or working at anything...then there is a great deal to start getting angry fan about.

All that being said...I can understand why some or maybe everyone but me doesn't have faith in anyone that doesn't make stronger public statements.

[DesertSteel]

What would Arians say?? "Right now the play calling sucks. And Tom needs to be more accurate."

[Rotorhead]

You have to wonder why Rooney would draft Harris and expect the running game to improve without beefing up the oline. There is something rotten going on and it's not in Denmark. All this talent lack seems to be a Rooney, Colbert, Tomlin and scout problem. I also think there is a lack of strong leadership on the player side.

Because they thought they were taking care of the OL at the same time (or part of it anyway) they drafted a C, expected their Probowl G to return, expected Oks to perform better then he did and Moore has outperformed his draft position. Losing DeCastro was similar to losing Alualu/Tuitt and threw a wrench into their plans. Canada’s HS play calling isn’t helping.

[86WARD]

Even if he did, he wouldn’t say it now. It would happen of mic…

[vasteeler]

There's a vast gulf between 'I have no problem with the play calling' and public indictments of staff and players.

No, he actually has no problem with it because he's dumb as tube sock full of hair. It's time to face facts.

See, that's where you lose credibility. You may not like Tomlin but to say he is "as dumb as a tube sock full of hair". That's ignorant, Tomlin is an incredibly intelligent man.

[ThorndikeFFA]

I'm not in search of credibility with an opinion that I have. I just call it as I see it. You can disagree, I respect that. We may agree on other points; would that then mean that you have no credibility too?

Anyway, we disagree. I think he's a dim wit.

[DesertSteel]

I'm not in search of credibility with an opinion that I have. I just call it as I see it. You can disagree, I respect that. We may agree on other points; would that then mean that you have no credibility too?

Anyway, we disagree. I think he's a dim wit.
Most of us disagree with your point.

[ThorndikeFFA]

Most of us disagree with your point.

OK. So?

[Mojouw]

You have to wonder why Rooney would draft Harris and expect the running game to improve without beefing up the oline. There is something rotten going on and it's not in Denmark. All this talent lack seems to be a Rooney, Colbert, Tomlin and scout problem. I also think there is a lack of strong leadership on the player side.

I am more positive about it than that.

I think that you trade in your entire hand along the offensive line...not going to build another one in one fell swoop. Moore is certainly a talent - for a 4th round tackle. Is he a starting LT in the NFL? I have no idea. But he is certainly a high end back-up -- which they need(ed) as well.

I think Green is really talented for an offensive lineman. Even in his bad games (basically all of them), I can see why they drafted him. If he can ever "figure it out" he's an athletic, mobile, and aggressive middle of the offensive line. Unfortunately, right now he can not anchor against NFL defenders, is often confused, struggles to snap the ball, and falls down (like dude is always on the ground - wtf?). Can he get better? I think so...but who really knows?

Dotson is good and according to some was playing well prior to getting injured. So...there is a version that when everyone is NOT a rookie (stronger and with improved technique) you have a 4th Rd LT/4th Rd LG/3rd Rd C/2022 Draft Pick RG/FA RT(Banner). Personally, I think that would be hilarious! There is a path to the Steelers having a really darn solid offensive line and not spending a massive amount of draft capital to do it. Of course, it could all crash and burn and by Week 6 of the 2022 season my current optimism is a laughable memory!

On defense, there is plenty of talent - when it is healthy. I really think it was the cap mandated need to have guys 25-53 on the roster be "veteran minimum" guys for the past 2 seasons that kinda sunk things. Wormley would be a bad-ass 4th DL. Same with Carlos Davis as a 5th DL. Or Adams as a rotational piece. But instead these guys start?! Whoo boy.

I have no idea about the leadership thing. I do not believe in analyzing body language from my TV screen. I also don't think that the absence of on-screen yelling means there is no leading. I know I have been ragging on this guy in several posts and I don't have anything against him - I just don't think he is all that good - but what is Heyward (clearly a vocal leader) going to do with Henry Mondeaux at DT? He can't do the job. He isn't physically capable of NOT getting moved out of the hole in the run game. He's alright as a spot-pass rusher - which was his job prior to this season.

[Shoes]

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/12/st...t-kansas-city/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2021/12/steelers-turning-point-draft-mistakes-come-home-to-roost-against-kansas-city/)

I've never seen Cam getting pancaked but he was via Humphrey. According to this Tomlin said Green was a Game Ready Starter.





I am more positive about it than that.

I think that you trade in your entire hand along the offensive line...not going to build another one in one fell swoop. Moore is certainly a talent - for a 4th round tackle. Is he a starting LT in the NFL? I have no idea. But he is certainly a high end back-up -- which they need(ed) as well.

I think Green is really talented for an offensive lineman. Even in his bad games (basically all of them), I can see why they drafted him. If he can ever "figure it out" he's an athletic, mobile, and aggressive middle of the offensive line. Unfortunately, right now he can not anchor against NFL defenders, is often confused, struggles to snap the ball, and falls down (like dude is always on the ground - wtf?). Can he get better? I think so...but who really knows?

Dotson is good and according to some was playing well prior to getting injured. So...there is a version that when everyone is NOT a rookie (stronger and with improved technique) you have a 4th Rd LT/4th Rd LG/3rd Rd C/2022 Draft Pick RG/FA RT(Banner). Personally, I think that would be hilarious! There is a path to the Steelers having a really darn solid offensive line and not spending a massive amount of draft capital to do it. Of course, it could all crash and burn and by Week 6 of the 2022 season my current optimism is a laughable memory!

On defense, there is plenty of talent - when it is healthy. I really think it was the cap mandated need to have guys 25-53 on the roster be "veteran minimum" guys for the past 2 seasons that kinda sunk things. Wormley would be a bad-ass 4th DL. Same with Carlos Davis as a 5th DL. Or Adams as a rotational piece. But instead these guys start?! Whoo boy.

I have no idea about the leadership thing. I do not believe in analyzing body language from my TV screen. I also don't think that the absence of on-screen yelling means there is no leading. I know I have been ragging on this guy in several posts and I don't have anything against him - I just don't think he is all that good - but what is Heyward (clearly a vocal leader) going to do with Henry Mondeaux at DT? He can't do the job. He isn't physically capable of NOT getting moved out of the hole in the run game. He's alright as a spot-pass rusher - which was his job prior to this season.


What I don't understand is the lack of consistence. I mean Brady has had pretty much a touch free QB position his entire time in NE. When you look back at Ben's career, he was pounded year after year and now we are back to square one where he started. Why do you think that is? How can one team do it and the other can't, won't or just doesn't see it as necessary?

IMO, I think leadership is still an issue because of the lack of a natural one. It's more than vocal, they are the centre of the group without telling the media that they are the leader, people can see it, and know it. They stir other players to follow their example without a word and draw the best out of their teammates before, during and after the game.

[Mojouw]

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/12/st...t-kansas-city/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2021/12/steelers-turning-point-draft-mistakes-come-home-to-roost-against-kansas-city/)

I've never seen Cam getting pancaked but he was via Humphrey. According to this Tomlin said Green was a Game Ready Starter.







What I don't understand is the lack of consistence. I mean Brady has had pretty much a touch free QB position his entire time in NE. When you look back at Ben's career, he was pounded year after year and now we are back to square one where he started. Why do you think that is? How can one team do it and the other can't, won't or just doesn't see it as necessary?

IMO, I think leadership is still an issue because of the lack of a natural one. It's more than vocal, they are the centre of the group without telling the media that they are the leader, people can see it, and know it. They stir other players to follow their example without a word and draw the best out of their teammates before, during and after the game.

Brady played in a system designed to prioritize getting the ball out ahead of the pass rush. Well except that year he played mad bomber with Moss. Brady gets hit plenty in Arians arial circus in Tampa.

Ben played for multiple OC that were willing to expose their QB in order to generate big plays.

Also the Patriots never had the draft capital sunk into skill positions and the subsequent cap dollars when those guys were good that the Strelers did. In fact, most believe a big part of Brady leaving the Pats was he was tired of throwing to poor skill guys.

Now he's in Tampa surrounded by great skill guys, in a "no risk or no biscuit" system and he gets hit more.

It's just different ways of doing things.

Also, the years he was protected by the most recent line, Ben wasn't getting pounded. He choose if he got hit by holding the ball to make a play. He was well protected.

[Shoes]

Brady played in a system designed to prioritize getting the ball out ahead of the pass rush. Well except that year he played mad bomber with Moss. Brady gets hit plenty in Arians arial circus in Tampa.

Ben played for multiple OC that were willing to expose their QB in order to generate big plays.

Also the Patriots never had the draft capital sunk into skill positions and the subsequent cap dollars when those guys were good that the Strelers did. In fact, most believe a big part of Brady leaving the Pats was he was tired of throwing to poor skill guys.

Now he's in Tampa surrounded by great skill guys, in a "no risk or no biscuit" system and he gets hit more.

It's just different ways of doing things.

Also, the years he was protected by the most recent line, Ben wasn't getting pounded. He choose if he got hit by holding the ball to make a play. He was well protected.

So why not build on that oline so it continues on? I mean this isn't difficult and this doesn't have to do with just football. Being consistent works in every phase of life.

[teegre]

It worked for Terry Bradshaw

It works for Ben in the 4th quarter. I’m dead serious when I say let Ben call every play all game long.

[Mojouw]

So why not build on that oline so it continues on? I mean this isn't difficult and this doesn't have to do with just football. Being consistent works in every phase of life.

Because they were capped out every year and they were chasing a SB. The chose to use draft picks to attempt to find a Year 1 contributor to a playoff team. Not a Guard for 2 seasons from now.

They chose reinforcements on defense and WR over offensive line. They tried to find "diamonds in the rough" and several of them got poached (Fred Johnson or whatever his name was being one example). They worked towards continuity by developing Banner and Okorafor as "in-house" replacements.

If there was a different set of priorities, maybe they have a better offensive line but maybe they do not have Minkah Fitzpatrick, Diontae Johnson, or Claypool on the team.

They tried to have replacements waiting -- Feiler, Banner, Okorafor, Dotson....it just didn't work out.

[Shoes]

Because they were capped out every year and they were chasing a SB. The chose to use draft picks to attempt to find a Year 1 contributor to a playoff team. Not a Guard for 2 seasons from now.

They chose reinforcements on defense and WR over offensive line. They tried to find "diamonds in the rough" and several of them got poached (Fred Johnson or whatever his name was being one example). They worked towards continuity by developing Banner and Okorafor as "in-house" replacements.

If there was a different set of priorities, maybe they have a better offensive line but maybe they do not have Minkah Fitzpatrick, Diontae Johnson, or Claypool on the team.

They tried to have replacements waiting -- Feiler, Banner, Okorafor, Dotson....it just didn't work out.

Well I appreciate your opinion, I just think it's possible to chase your tail and never solve the problems. Do you want to score points, you need a solid oline, then QB, then RB. The Steelers seem to be doing this in reverse. Debt (or capped out) is not good in football or life in general. And so I move on. :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

Well I appreciate your opinion, I just think it's possible to chase your tail and never solve the problems. Do you want to score points, you need a solid oline, then QB, then RB. The Steelers seem to be doing this in reverse. Debt (or capped out) is not good in football or life in general. And so I move on. :chuckle:

If you have a good QB, your line only needs to mediocre. Look at early career Ben. Or most of Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes careers.

I'm not really frustrated with the play of the o line, as I fully expected it to bottom out this year. Now, worst in the league? No.

If it's still terrible next year, that's when I would grow very anxious.