Apparently Haskins era is over before it even started

[Drazo85]

https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/1460264948098125825?s=19

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/11/kinkhabwala-steelers-disappointed-in-dwayne-haskins-maturation-lack-of-focus/

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[DesertSteel]

Well if Aditi said it, it's got to be true :stirthepot:

[Mojouw]

That's a hard hitting report.

I heard Haskins is plotting the overthrow of the local school board.

It's true. The guy who pushes the Gatorade cart told me.

[Drazo85]

Okay. Sorry I didn't know that Aditi is discredited as a source here. Mods, can you please delete this thread.

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[fansince'76]

Okay. Sorry I didn't know that Aditi is discredited as a source here. Mods, can you please delete this thread.

Don't see why. It's pretty much the truth. MR has shown himself to be a career clipboard holder and Haskins had an attitude problem with the Redskins (sorry, not saying WFT).

Roethlisberger's heir apparent is clearly not on the roster yet. Just hope we don't have to wait another decade or two like we did the last time.

[Mojouw]

It isn't that Aditi is discredited as a source or that the thread should be deleted. It is more that these definitive reports come out every few weeks about this or that either Steelers specific or on some other NFL team. And they almost never come true.

If the team was truly "out" on Haskins, the higher ups would let it be known. Not like Tomlin or Colbert are super shy about telling guys what they think.

Aditi has her opinion that she is trying to back with unnamed random staffers. Remember when everyone was doing that around AB and the "lost the locker room" narrative when AB went loco and left town. Turns out exactly ZERO of those "unnamed team staffers" had any clue what was actually going on.

[DesertSteel]

No need to delete the thread, but maybe the title is a little clicky. Before I even opened the thread, I checked to see if he'd been cut.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Don't see why. It's pretty much the truth. MR has shown himself to be a career clipboard holder and Haskins had an attitude problem with the Redskins (sorry, not saying WFT).

Roethlisberger's heir apparent is clearly not on the roster yet. Just hope we don't have to wait another decade or two like we did the last time.

I agree. (just not with the disparaging team name).

I saw the first tweet a couple days ago and thought that Haskins could be adjusting his music on his phone, but still warming up terribly. But now that I see the response to that and that team officials were talking about Haskins lack of focus with regards to pre game warmup and standing next to Aditi, then I believe that the young man just isnt into it and likely wont be back next season.

If you cant get up on gameday, when you know that Rudolph is one concussion away from placing you under center as the QB, then maybe you just dont want to be a starting NFL QB.

[Mojouw]

Ugggghhhhh. This is why the internet is dumb.

It is entirely possible that Haskins is a useless moron without the required drive to be successful in the NFL.

Or it is possible that he does and a bunch of grumpy folks didn't like his body language and then it went on Twitter.

Either way....we don't actually know anything.

[Shoes]

Ugggghhhhh. This is why the internet is dumb.

It is entirely possible that Haskins is a useless moron without the required drive to be successful in the NFL.

Or it is possible that he does and a bunch of grumpy folks didn't like his body language and then it went on Twitter.

Either way....we don't actually know anything.

We know his history, it's up to him to prove he's serious about playing football. Time will tell.

[Mojouw]

We know his history, it's up to him to prove he's serious about playing football. Time will tell.
Right but one random afternoon where the assistant ball boy, the third string Gatorade stirrer, and some other "staffer" made derisive comments to impress a reporter really doesn't clarify the situation.

[DesertSteel]

Right but one random afternoon where the assistant ball boy, the third string Gatorade stirrer, and some other "staffer" made derisive comments to impress a reporter really doesn't clarify the situation.
Totally agree.

Right now, I'm thinking that Jimmy G or Marriotta is going to be behind center next year.

[Steeler-in-west]

Of course the Steelers are disappointed that Haskins has realized his full potential and is relegated to 3rd string and looks to not be taking things seriously - if he was he wouldn’t be in this situation- he’s a goof off - that’s no revelation

Rudolph is what? A fourth round draft pick looking like a good backup - that’s not a revelation either. It would only be disappointing if he were taken in the first round.

and Ben is playing like his age…..

[DesertSteel]

Mason was R3/pick 76. My only disappointment with him is that appears to be no growth or improvement in his game. At all.

[Shoes]

Right but one random afternoon where the assistant ball boy, the third string Gatorade stirrer, and some other "staffer" made derisive comments to impress a reporter really doesn't clarify the situation.

Agreed, he will write his own history.

[Steeler-in-west]

Mason was R3/pick 76. My only disappointment with him is that appears to be no growth or improvement in his game. At all.

correct me if I’m wrong but it looks like he’s starting against the chargers. Let’s see how he does with a full week of practice and hopefully the receivers help him out by holding onto the ball (I know it was raining last week but still at that level in crucial situation….)

[Fire Goodell]

correct me if I’m wrong but it looks like he’s starting against the chargers. Let’s see how he does with a full week of practice and hopefully the receivers help him out by holding onto the ball (I know it was raining last week but still at that level in crucial situation….)

yeah it looked like to me in the 4Q and OT Mason was moving the ball until the receivers coughed the ball up, that's not on him.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Right but one random afternoon where the assistant ball boy, the third string Gatorade stirrer, and some other "staffer" made derisive comments to impress a reporter really doesn't clarify the situation.

the reporter has been on the NFL beat for around a decade, is a Cornell grad with a solid resume as a journalist. Its not some blogger making crap up from their moms basement. This is somebody that has access to the Steelers building and that the late Mr. Rooney used to have conversations with about life and football.

I take it as a much better source of info than BTSC or the Depot.

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yeah it looked like to me in the 4Q and OT Mason was moving the ball until the receivers coughed the ball up, that's not on him.

The thing is that his overthrow for the first INT was again him not moving his feet and sailing the football. Same stuff that he was doing in college that lead to inaccurate passes. Same thing on the missed pass to McLeod in the end zone when the Lions double covered PatFry.

If he has been in the NFL for 4 seasons and still hasnt corrected the things that he didnt do well mechanically in college, which lead to INT's, then there is little indication he will improve those things going forward.

[Mojouw]

the reporter has been on the NFL beat for around a decade, is a Cornell grad with a solid resume as a journalist. Its not some blogger making crap up from their moms basement. This is somebody that has access to the Steelers building and that the late Mr. Rooney used to have conversations with about life and football.

I take it as a much better source of info than BTSC or the Depot.

Meh.

It is an unsubstantiated "report" of an opinion on Twitter. Not exactly a hard-hitting investigation into the status of player.

It may be true and it is just about equally possible that it is mountain out of a mole-hill.

That is all I am saying. This same reporter and many others have breathlessly "reported" stuff on Twitter from "unnamed team staffers" before. And it was a whole lot of absolutely nothing. Why do we start with the assumption it is any different this time?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

. . Why do we start with the assumption it is any different this time?

Maybe because of his time in Washington and the history there?

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[Mojouw]

Maybe because of his time in Washington and the history there?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4f/01/bf/4f01bfeed795b12dd84f969cf9ee60c4.jpg

Again...meh?

It is all about how much credence you want to give random noise on the internet and whether you want to be optimistic or pessimistic about a particular player.

Aditi has never really broken significant news or demonstrated that she has a conduit for true insider information.

Honestly, I don't expect Haskins to make the final roster next year. I figure he gets squeezed out by a draft pick and then whatever "bridge" vet nonsense they sign to start an Rudolph gets conned into staying around as the back-up.

But...random Twitter Tuesday just isn't gonna make me sit up and take notice.

[hawaiiansteeler]

in Haskins' defense, he did need to check his messages to see what time he was supposed to meet the stripper after the game.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

in Haskins' defense, he did need to check his messages to see what time he was supposed to meet the stripper after the game.+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34

[86WARD]

She doubled down on it…


It’s of course possible, Bucky. But it just so happens I was standing next to multiple members of the team’s staff who were pointing out his lack of focus, his sub-par warm-up passes and their disappointment in his maturation. That’s why I tried to illustrate: he’s not the savior

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[teegre]

Good thread. It is absolutely worth discussing.

NOTE: There is a feud going on between Aditi and Tomlin. It’s subtle, but there is something not quite “right” going on between the two of them.

[Mojouw]

Personally, Haskins doesn't worry me one way or the other. It's becoming clear that the team truly plans on redshirting Haskins this year. So it's all about OTAs and camp in 22.

Worst case they're out some time if Haskins doesn't even make it that far.

That's the key thing with Haskins, he still doesn't really cost the team anything.

He can't hurt the team they can only still win they're Haskins lottery ticket.

[Steeler-in-west]

Tomlin shouldn't tolerate a lazy goof off (specially one that has contributed absolutely nothing), if Haskins is indeed that he should be gone - for the team's sake.

[tube517]

Good thread. It is absolutely worth discussing.

NOTE: There is a feud going on between Aditi and Tomlin. It’s subtle, but there is something not quite “right” going on between the two of them.

That's why I didn't give her tweet a second thought. She's gone postal and wasn't the same as a few years ago. Just like a bunch of other 2 year olds on Twitter. SMDH

[Dwinsgames]

Mason was R3/pick 76. My only disappointment with him is that appears to be no growth or improvement in his game. At all.

that does concern me from a coaching perspective although the greatest coaches in the world can't make a guy better that perhaps had already reached his ceiling before entering the league ( not saying that is the case but it could be )

what concerns me even more is the Front office supposedly had a 1st round grade on him ..........

that doesnt give me a lot of hope moving forward in search of the Next Great one

[hawaiiansteeler]

that does concern me from a coaching perspective although the greatest coaches in the world can't make a guy better that perhaps had already reached his ceiling before entering the league ( not saying that is the case but it could be )

what concerns me even more is the Front office supposedly had a 1st round grade on him ..........

that doesnt give me a lot of hope moving forward in search of the Next Great one

who was the last QB that Colbert drafted and got right?

and it wasn't Ben, Rooney had to step in and prevent Colbert and Cowher from drafting Shawn Andrews instead.

[86WARD]

what concerns me even more is the Front office supposedly had a 1st round grade on him ..........


This has always been my concern as well.

[Mojouw]

I'm pretty sure that "first round grade" was press conference fibbing.

What were they gonna say...we are desperate to replace our degrading franchise icon. We missed out on the first tier guys so were pretty excited about handing the keys over the franchise over to this random dirtball our scouts tell us was the best of the misfit toys left in the draft pool.

[Steeler-in-west]

I'm pretty sure that "first round grade" was press conference fibbing.

What were they gonna say...we are desperate to replace our degrading franchise icon. We missed out on the first tier guys so were pretty excited about handing the keys over the franchise over to this random dirtball our scouts tell us was the best of the misfit toys left in the draft pool.

maybe the steelers didn't draft Rudolph to be the heir apparent. Maybe he was just picked up as hopefully developing into a good backup and maybe a starter at some point. This heir apparent stuff was probably created by the media and fans. I'm pretty sure the steelers knew what they were getting with Rudolph. Anyway, if they spent a 1st on a QB Ben would've thrown a fit and maybe requested a trade :lol:

[86WARD]

That grade was confirmed by Colbert. If it’s not true, why say anything at all in regards to his “draft grade”? You just don’t say anything or you throw the “we don’t share our draft grades with the public”. No reason to confirm it unless he really believed it.

[86WARD]

https://steelersdepot.com/2018/05/colbert-confirms-steelers-had-1st-round-grade-on-mason-rudolph/

[Dissolv]

So they are bad at Cornerback and Quarterback.....

[Steeler-in-west]

That grade was confirmed by Colbert. If it’s not true, why say anything at all in regards to his “draft grade”? You just don’t say anything or you throw the “we don’t share our draft grades with the public”. No reason to confirm it unless he really believed it.

“could be an eventual starter in this league at some point”.

Colbert just explaining and justifying why he took a QB in the late 3rd. Rudolph was expected to backup Ben and maybe take over as a starter here. We imagined the rest. I’m sure they had slightly different expectations for Ben when they drafted him at 11.

[fansince'76]

That grade was confirmed by Colbert. If it’s not true, why say anything at all in regards to his “draft grade”? You just don’t say anything or you throw the “we don’t share our draft grades with the public”. No reason to confirm it unless he really believed it.

Because when it comes to the draft, NFL GMs lie like politicians.

[Mojouw]

Because when it comes to the draft, NFL GMs lie like politicians.

Has a GM ever not said they liked all their picks and got highly rated players?


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[teegre]

I have told many women that they deserved a “first round grade”…

[86WARD]

Because when it comes to the draft, NFL GMs lie like politicians.

So you think they had a much lower grade on Rudolph but would come out and say they had a first round grade on him to the media? Knowing that’s something that could eventually blow up in their faces?

If so, would he say that Benny Snell had a first round grade? Just to be “politically correct” for Benny’s sake?

[fansince'76]

So you think they had a much lower grade on Rudolph but would come out and say they had a first round grade on him to the media? Knowing that’s something that could eventually blow up in their faces?

If so, would he say that Benny Snell had a first round grade? Just to be “politically correct” for Benny’s sake?

They had a 1st round grade on him, yet figured they could wait until the middle of the 3rd to grab him and he would still be there? OK.

And I've been on record on this very board saying that history has not been kind to the Steelers as far as their QB choices go. I, for one, am expecting a (hopefully not too long of a) wait for Roethlisberger's heir apparent.

[Steeler-in-west]

They had a 1st round grade on him, yet figured they could wait until the middle of the 3rd to grab him and he would still be there? OK.

And I've been on record on this very board saying that history has not been kind to the Steelers as far as their QB choices go. I, for one, am expecting a (hopefully not too long of a) wait for Roethlisberger's heir apparent.

unless they manage to grab Rodgers or Russell Wilson i think they're headed for a down year next season (say with a game manager FA pickup or Rudolph) i which case they could be setup to get a QB in the top 15 in 23.

[DesertSteel]

James Washington and Highsmith have both come out and said that tweet about Haskins was BS.

[86WARD]

They had a 1st round grade on him, yet figured they could wait until the middle of the 3rd to grab him and he would still be there? OK.

And I've been on record on this very board saying that history has not been kind to the Steelers as far as their QB choices go. I, for one, am expecting a (hopefully not too long of a) wait for Roethlisberger's heir apparent.

I think they had the first round grade on him and he just wound up lasting until the third round. Clearly no other team thought he was worth it and as history goes, the Steelers arent great at drafting QBs. The whole 2018 draft class was pretty much underwhelming. I guess they couldve taken him over Edmunds or Washington but at the time, they kind of needed safety help and a third WR as Sean Davis, Mike MItchell and Martavis Bryant were trending downhill.

Since Colbert was with the Steelers: Tee Martin, Brian St. Pierre, BEN ROETHLISBERGER, Omar Jacobs, Dennis Dixon, Landry Jones, Joshua Dobbs, Mason Rudolph. There's Ben and there's a couple decades worth of garbage. I think it's safe to assume the wait between Ben and the "next guy" is going to be a very long time...

If you don't really have the first round grade on him, you just don't say anything. You're just setting the team up for further ridicule and criticism.

[Edman]

Tee Martin, Brian St. Pierre, BEN ROETHLISBERGER, Omar Jacobs, Dennis Dixon, Landry Jones, Joshua Dobbs, Mason Rudolph.

One of those eight quarterbacks, only one of them was a first round draft pick, and the majority of them were drafted to back up Ben.

[86WARD]

One of those eight quarterbacks, only one of them was a first round draft pick, and the majority of them were drafted to back up Ben.

Regardless...it's not a pretty list...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

who was the last QB that Colbert drafted and got right?

and it wasn't Ben, Rooney had to step in and prevent Colbert and Cowher from drafting Shawn Andrews instead.

Another good question is ...After drafting Terry Bradshaw in 1970, what good QB did Dick Haley draft?

[Steeler-in-west]

Another good question is ...After drafting Terry Bradshaw in 1970, what good QB did Dick Haley draft?

When your QB’s are picked after the 2nd round your chances of getting a ‘good’ QB are low. That being said, I always thought Brister was decent - he won a few playoff games.

[Fire Goodell]

When your QB’s are picked after the 2nd round your chances of getting a ‘good’ QB are low. That being said, I always thought Brister was decent - he won a few playoff games.

Brister wasn't bad, and O'Donnel I think would have won a SB if he stayed in Pittsburgh. We had a great defense that was wasted on Tomczak and Stewart (although I thought Stewart was fun to watch)

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

When your QB’s are picked after the 2nd round your chances of getting a ‘good’ QB are low. That being said, I always thought Brister was decent - he won a few playoff games.

True, but I guess the fact that Brister was picked in 1986 after Bradshaw retired, is something that many here are missing.

Its not like the Steelers were actively seeking a franchise QB, while they already had one in place like Terry Bradshaw. Just like all the guys mentioned like Dennis Dixon, Brian St. Pierre, Tee Martin, Landry Jones, etc, were never drafted to challenge Ben for the starting job. They were drafted to see if they could be a Gary Kubiak or Frank Reich backup to the franchise QB.

[86WARD]

True, but I guess the fact that Brister was picked in 1986 after Bradshaw retired, is something that many here are missing.

Its not like the Steelers were actively seeking a franchise QB, while they already had one in place like Terry Bradshaw. Just like all the guys mentioned like Dennis Dixon, Brian St. Pierre, Tee Martin, Landry Jones, etc, were never drafted to challenge Ben for the starting job. They were drafted to see if they could be a Gary Kubiak or Frank Reich backup to the franchise QB.

Which is the point of my comment. They weren’t even back up worthy. Not even Dan Orlovsky worthy…Rudolph I would say is above the others listed.

[86WARD]

Another good question is ...After drafting Terry Bradshaw in 1970, what good QB did Dick Haley draft?

Out of curiosity I checked (before 1983) and these are his draft selections:

Joe Gilliam
Frank Kolch
Mike Kruczek
Cliff Stoudt
Mark Malone

I think I would take that group of 5 over any combination of the other backups drafted.

[DesertSteel]

We're now measuring GMs by the quality of backup QBs drafted??

[86WARD]

We're now measuring GMs by the quality of backup QBs drafted??

Just overall talent evaluations…lol. History isn’t so good with CB, QB, S, etc. That furthers the point that maybe it’s not a terrible idea to draft a QB but also sign a competent free agent.

[Steeler-in-west]

Brister wasn't bad, and O'Donnel I think would have won a SB if he stayed in Pittsburgh. We had a great defense that was wasted on Tomczak and Stewart (although I thought Stewart was fun to watch)

agreed about O’Donnell, I think he would’ve had more success and possibly a super bowl win in Pittsburgh and media and fans might’ve even forgiven him for super bowl 30.

[Steeler-in-west]

True, but I guess the fact that Brister was picked in 1986 after Bradshaw retired, is something that many here are missing.

Its not like the Steelers were actively seeking a franchise QB, while they already had one in place like Terry Bradshaw. Just like all the guys mentioned like Dennis Dixon, Brian St. Pierre, Tee Martin, Landry Jones, etc, were never drafted to challenge Ben for the starting job. They were drafted to see if they could be a Gary Kubiak or Frank Reich backup to the franchise QB.

brister was chosen by Haley was he not?

I know brister was taken in round 3, but they must not have been too happy with Malone. They probably thought Brister had a chance to replace him and become the franchise QB. Although I don’t know why they didn’t do that with a 1st round pick. They did it with Malone, with a first, who was supposed to take over for an aging Bradshaw but that didn’t work out too well.

3 first round QB picks in 52 years. With one miss out of three. You could say that’s why we had a QB drought between Terry and Ben. You would think the team would’ve picked QB in the first round a couple more times - say once every 10 years….

[86WARD]

brister was chosen by Haley was he not?

I know brister was taken in round 3, but they must not have been too happy with Malone. They probably thought Brister had a chance to replace him and become the franchise QB. Although I don’t know why they didn’t do that with a 1st round pick. They did it with Malone, with a first, who was supposed to take over for an aging Bradshaw but that didn’t work out too well.

3 first round QB picks in 52 years. With one miss out of three. You could say that’s why we had a QB drought between Terry and Ben. You would think the team would’ve picked QB in the first round a couple more times - say once every 10 years….

Brister was but it was after Bradshaw had retired. 1986 and started playing significantly in 1988.

[tube517]

Out of curiosity I checked (before 1983) and these are his draft selections:

Joe Gilliam
Frank Kolch
Mike Kruczek
Cliff Stoudt
Mark Malone

I think I would take that group of 5 over any combination of the other backups drafted.

I'd take Gilliam and maybe Kruczek (all he did was handoff to Rocky and Franco) . Stoudt - hell no. Malone is Magnum PI and I don't remember the other guy.