Aaron Rodgers is a Naughty Boy [Archive]

Mojouw

11-03-2021, 01:24 PM

So Rodgers has COVID. And based on how quickly he was ruled out and a few other things...he has been lying about his vaccination status and flagrantly violating league COVID protocols. See this for a rough summary: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/03/aaron-rodgers-was-secretly-unvaccinated/

Whether we agree with the league protocols or not. Whether we like Rodgers or not. There has to be fine and suspension coming, right?

Again...not a COVID debate. But a football debate. If a player lied and violated league rules...there has to be consequences coming...right? Big test case for the Packers and the league.

Title Edited for Clarity. I was informed it was not originally clear enough.

tube517

11-03-2021, 01:59 PM

DesertSteel

11-03-2021, 02:03 PM

So Rodgers has COVID. And based on how quickly he was ruled out and a few other things...he has been lying about his vaccination status and flagrantly violating league COVID protocols. See this for a rough summary: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/03/aaron-rodgers-was-secretly-unvaccinated/

Whether we agree with the league protocols or not. Whether we like Rodgers or not. There has to be fine and suspension coming, right?

Again...not a COVID debate. But a football debate. If a player lied and violated league rules...there has to be consequences coming...right? Big test case for the Packers and the league.
And yet, no one seems worried about his health, only that he can't play on Sunday. In fact, I haven't heard one ounce of concern about any athlete's health that has come down with Covid.

silver & black

11-03-2021, 02:15 PM

I thought you can still get covid even if you're immunized?

DesertSteel

11-03-2021, 02:30 PM

Where in the article is it verified that Rodgers wasn’t vaccinated? Florio’s source?

Mojouw

11-03-2021, 03:02 PM

So...if a player is vaccinated...you can test negative 24 hours aprt and get cleared to play. Davontae Adams was just down this path. He couldn't get cleared but they tried.

Rodgers is already ruled out. That means he is in the unvaccinated protocol that requires a mandatory 10 day quarantine.

Multiple outlets are reporting the story: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/did-aaron-rodgers-lie-about-his-covid-19-vaccination-status

Unless we find out more in the next few days, Rodgers lied about it. Should be a bumpy ride.

86WARD

11-03-2021, 04:42 PM

Not to hijack your thread but a wild day in the NFL.

Rodgers, Ruggs, and now OBJ was sent home and no idea what the Stains are doing.

But back to Rodgers. He said he was "Immunized" so he's been lying all along? I guess the "John Wick" costume was not worth it. :chuckle:

He was always “immunized” he just wasn’t vaccinated. He used “alternative methods” but those methods failed to meet NFL standards. Because he’s not vaccinated by NFL guidelines, he needs to quarantine. Can’t return until the 11/14 game (11/13 day before) at the earliest.

He’s nothing but a selfish player and according to the NFL Covid guidelines, he should be in deep trouble.

Mojouw

11-03-2021, 04:52 PM

And yet, no one seems worried about his health, only that he can't play on Sunday. In fact, I haven't heard one ounce of concern about any athlete's health that has come down with Covid.

I couldn't care less about Rodgers health. He gets paid a crap ton of money and has unfettered access to the best health care imaginable. He can also enact a variety of safety protocols in his daily workplace and home environment. He chose another path. So...that's on him.

I wish him the same I would wish any fellow human being facing a health concern. I hope they get the care and treatment needed to return to health and suffer no long term impacts. But that is not really interesting to talk about...but the fact that the NFL is in a big bind here...that's fascinating.

DesertSteel

11-03-2021, 06:10 PM

I couldn't care less about Rodgers health. He gets paid a crap ton of money and has unfettered access to the best health care imaginable. He can also enact a variety of safety protocols in his daily workplace and home environment. He chose another path. So...that's on him.

I wish him the same I would wish any fellow human being facing a health concern. I hope they get the care and treatment needed to return to health and suffer no long term impacts. But that is not really interesting to talk about...but the fact that the NFL is in a big bind here...that's fascinating.
And what about the many athletes that have been vaccinated and still got Covid? Do we care about their health?

Mojouw

11-03-2021, 06:25 PM

And what about the many athletes that have been vaccinated and still got Covid? Do we care about their health?

I don't know. Do we? Are you expecting me to speak for everyone else?

I've stated how I feel both about Rodgers and other human beings in general. I have enough health concerns right in my own actual life so I feel no need to take on the worries of faceless strangers from the sports world.

There is clearly a big large point that you wish to make. So just go ahead and tell us what is eating at you.

Hawkman

11-03-2021, 07:03 PM

I thought you can still get covid even if you're immunized?

You can! I did, and so did eight of my wife’s family members while we were on vacation. Symptoms weren’t as bad as the five who weren’t vaccinated but we still tested positive.

DesertSteel

11-03-2021, 07:23 PM

I don't know. Do we? Are you expecting me to speak for everyone else?

I've stated how I feel both about Rodgers and other human beings in general. I have enough health concerns right in my own actual life so I feel no need to take on the worries of faceless strangers from the sports world.

There is clearly a big large point that you wish to make. So just go ahead and tell us what is eating at you.
I stated my point in the first post. There is never a mention about whether any of these athletes with covid are actually sick. The assumption is that they aren’t and all anyone reports on is when they’re eligible to play. I just find that ironic for such a deadly virus.

Mojouw

11-03-2021, 07:49 PM

I stated my point in the first post. There is never a mention about whether any of these athletes with covid are actually sick. The assumption is that they aren’t and all anyone reports on is when they’re eligible to play. I just find that ironic for such a deadly virus.

Right. Sure. But the discussion is about whether or not the NFL levies punishment on one of its top 5 stars and a marquee franchise for playing fast and loose with league mandates.

If you want to re-litigate the severity of COVID-19 or the various viewpoints on appropriate responses there are numerous venues for that. We don't need this one to be another one. Although, the Socratic method was a nice touch.

DesertSteel

11-03-2021, 07:58 PM

I just wanted to make one small comment. You’re the one that started probing.

Mojouw

11-03-2021, 08:22 PM

I just wanted to make one small comment. You’re the one that started probing.

I was just trying to understand what you were getting at and where you were going with your thinking.

Do you have thoughts/comments on whether or not you feel the NFL will (or should) sanction Rodgers and the Packers?

DesertSteel

11-03-2021, 09:23 PM

I was just trying to understand what you were getting at and where you were going with your thinking.

Do you have thoughts/comments on whether or not you feel the NFL will (or should) sanction Rodgers and the Packers?

I’d say they have no right. Do they penalize or fine people for lying about other matters? Now if they tried to cheat the protocol that would be different. But I don’t think the Packers did that. I guess as far as mask and other rules, they’d need to investigate the team staff to see what happened.

Mojouw

11-03-2021, 09:32 PM

I’d say they have no right. Do they penalize or fine people for lying about other matters? Now if they tried to cheat the protocol that would be different. But I don’t think the Packers did that. I guess as far as mask and other rules, they’d need to investigate the team staff to see what happened.

It does seem, at present, that the team didn't do anything to violate the league's protocols. However, there are a variety of sources and images that Rodgers did. Several reports out this way are indicating that on the sideline and in the facility, Rodgers was following the protocols and rules for a vaccinated player even after the NFL rejected his alternative accommodation.

I honestly don't really care one way or the other. But it would be highly unexpected for the NFL to suspend Rodgers...but there appears to be a path to where that is the outcome by the NFL's stated policies.

I'm gonna have my popcorn out for all of Wisco to lose their minds.

DesertSteel

11-03-2021, 09:44 PM

What in the world is the “alternative treatment”?

Mojouw

11-03-2021, 10:07 PM

What in the world is the “alternative treatment”?

No one out this way has said yet. No idea. Wild speculation on my part would be that monoclonal antibodies that everyone was super into this summer.

Fire Goodell

11-04-2021, 12:16 AM

maybe we can get him for cheaper than 2 draft picks now :chuckle:

Steeler-in-west

11-04-2021, 12:33 AM

maybe we can get him for cheaper than 2 draft picks now :chuckle:

I’d settle for a first and a third! Do it Kevin!

NCSteeler

11-04-2021, 05:42 AM

No one out this way has said yet. No idea. Wild speculation on my part would be that monoclonal antibodies that everyone was super into this summer.That's a treatment not a preventative and they work.

Better yet I think it's possible he had covid over smer and made the case that he is immunized but not vaccinated.

I don't see anything clear cut here that says he lied or cheated the NFL protocol, so I doubt they do anything.

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Mojouw

11-04-2021, 07:58 AM

That's a treatment not a preventative and they work.

Better yet I think it's possible he had covid over smer and made the case that he is immunized but not vaccinated.

I don't see anything clear cut here that says he lied or cheated the NFL protocol, so I doubt they do anything.

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Multiple reports (could be citing the same source) are saying it was a "homeopathic treatment" administered by Rodgers personal physician.

Rodgers violations appear to include not wearing a mask indoors (interviews and media sessions documented on camera for sure with other instances being anecdotal), attending team social events without masks (NFL has rules on this), and NFL sideline mask policy for unvaccinated players.

I suspect the NFL won't do anything. I mean, they (the NFL) knew Rodgers was not vaccinated (by their definition) and they can surely see on their TV feeds that his interviews, sideline interactions, and weekday media sessions are all not following their guidelines for 8 weeks or whatever and didn't do anything. SO why would they now? But the beat writers from Wisco all think they will fine the player and the team and are fretting about suspension...

willy

11-04-2021, 08:23 AM

And what about the many athletes that have been vaccinated and still got Covid? Do we care about their health?

Start another thread. This one is about what a lying sack of shit Rodgers turned out to be.

fansince'76

11-04-2021, 08:30 AM

I suspect the NFL won't do anything. I mean, they (the NFL) knew Rodgers was not vaccinated (by their definition) and they can surely see on their TV feeds that his interviews, sideline interactions, and weekday media sessions are all not following their guidelines for 8 weeks or whatever and didn't do anything. SO why would they now? But the beat writers from Wisco all think they will fine the player and the team and are fretting about suspension...

They won't. Rodgers is one of the "faces of the league" so this will get swept under the rug pretty quickly. Kinda like Brady's obvious PED usage.

Mojouw

11-04-2021, 08:41 AM

They won't. Rodgers is one of the "faces of the league" so this will get swept under the rug pretty quickly. Kinda like Brady's obvious PED usage.

that's my bet as well.

86WARD

11-04-2021, 08:51 AM

Multiple reports (could be citing the same source) are saying it was a "homeopathic treatment" administered by Rodgers personal physician.

Rodgers violations appear to include not wearing a mask indoors (interviews and media sessions documented on camera for sure with other instances being anecdotal), attending team social events without masks (NFL has rules on this), and NFL sideline mask policy for unvaccinated players.

I suspect the NFL won't do anything. I mean, they (the NFL) knew Rodgers was not vaccinated (by their definition) and they can surely see on their TV feeds that his interviews, sideline interactions, and weekday media sessions are all not following their guidelines for 8 weeks or whatever and didn't do anything. SO why would they now? But the beat writers from Wisco all think they will fine the player and the team and are fretting about suspension...

Not to mention that he would great other players after the game and not wear a mask.

Hawkman

11-04-2021, 09:27 AM

Start another thread. This one is about what a lying sack of shit Rodgers turned out to be.

Speaking of viruses, you’re like one. You just show up. Kinda like the shanks in golf.

willy

11-04-2021, 10:30 AM

Speaking of viruses, you’re like one. You just show up. Kinda like the shanks in golf.

Up yours.

Hawkman:

https://y.yarn.co/8a4b414e-0f32-4fc6-b0a2-828995c889ff_screenshot.jpg

EzraTank

11-04-2021, 10:43 AM

What in the world is the “alternative treatment”?

See Joe Rogan, Tim Poole, all of Florida which now uses monoclonal antibody therapy treatment. I can attest to the last one. My parents live in Florida and several people in their Bible Study class (all in their 80's) contracted COVID back in September. They all went and got the treatment and within 1-2 days felt absolutely fine.

These vaccines are NOT vaccines. They are therapeutics that are supposed to prevent you from being hospitalized. You know the percentage of people hospitalized because of COVID19 (this was on Bill Maher's show last week): Unvaccinated: .89% Vaccinated: .01%. Most people when polled think the number is close to 50%. I'm not saying COVID19 isn't a serious threat and should be ignored. I'm just saying that the media/big tech have lied about it from the get go and silenced anyone or anything that spoke out against anything but a vaccine/lockdown/mask mandate.

This is all you need to know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlL5_kKyLA0

One last question ... Do you think people knew about Aaron's status and kept it quiet because of who he was?

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No one out this way has said yet. No idea. Wild speculation on my part would be that monoclonal antibodies that everyone was super into this summer.

They are still using them in Florida, see my above comment. People aren't "into" them, they work. Oh and the numbers in FL went DOWN after they started this treatment.

Mojouw

11-04-2021, 11:32 AM

Less than three dozen posts before this went off the rails into nonsense land. So much for grown-up conversations.

willy

11-04-2021, 11:57 AM

This is all you need to know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlL5_kKyLA0
.

No, that's all you need to know. Most of us require a bit more.

NCSteeler

11-04-2021, 12:21 PM

Multiple reports (could be citing the same source) are saying it was a "homeopathic treatment" administered by Rodgers personal physician.

Rodgers violations appear to include not wearing a mask indoors (interviews and media sessions documented on camera for sure with other instances being anecdotal), attending team social events without masks (NFL has rules on this), and NFL sideline mask policy for unvaccinated players.

I suspect the NFL won't do anything. I mean, they (the NFL) knew Rodgers was not vaccinated (by their definition) and they can surely see on their TV feeds that his interviews, sideline interactions, and weekday media sessions are all not following their guidelines for 8 weeks or whatever and didn't do anything. SO why would they now? But the beat writers from Wisco all think they will fine the player and the team and are fretting about suspension...Yeah . Surely the NFL has known his vax status and observed his behavior at games and press conference and they have issued no fines so I doubt this will change anything. Maybe just maybe the NFL has wised up to steer clear of super polarizing issues.

I mean it's not like he wore the wrong color socks or something

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EzraTank

11-04-2021, 12:30 PM

No, that's all you need to know. Most of us require a bit more.

Seriously after all your "work" here there is no comment from you I consider worth reading. If you cannot see the humongous conflict of interest in Pfizer sponsoring every MSM news outlet and also being the creator of a vaccine for COVID19 then there is nothing I can tell your tiny brain that would help.

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Less than three dozen posts before this went off the rails into nonsense land. So much for grown-up conversations.

I hope you weren't referring to my post. The facts I posted are all verifiable and true.

Mojouw

11-04-2021, 12:37 PM

Seriously after all your "work" here there is no comment from you I consider worth reading. If you cannot see the humongous conflict of interest in Pfizer sponsoring every MSM news outlet and also being the creator of a vaccine for COVID19 then there is nothing I can tell your tiny brain that would help.

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I hope you weren't referring to my post. The facts I posted are all verifiable and true.

I really don't care. But they have nothing to do with the Rodgers situation.

My mistake for thinking a bunch of adults could discuss an issue from the NFL that was related to current events without resorting to using the event to make political points.

Because none of the facts that you posted have one iota of relevance to whether or not Rodgers was in violation of NFL guidelines, whether or not the NFL knew that he was and did nothing, or if the NFL will mete out punishment in the future.

NCSteeler

11-04-2021, 12:40 PM

Mojouw

11-04-2021, 12:45 PM

Just to continue the ride off the rails. No where in his post did he me too politics. You used bias to assume a political point

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Huh?

NCSteeler

11-04-2021, 12:47 PM

Huh?My mistake for thinking a bunch of adults could discuss an issue from the NFL that was related to current events without resorting to using the event to make political points.

He stated some facts so me things he believes to be true. You assume it's to make political points. He never once mentioned a party a candidate or anything political.

Those on the left right and center can and do believe some and or all the things he posted about

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willy

11-04-2021, 12:48 PM

EzraTank

11-04-2021, 12:59 PM

I really don't care. But they have nothing to do with the Rodgers situation.

My mistake for thinking a bunch of adults could discuss an issue from the NFL that was related to current events without resorting to using the event to make political points.

Because none of the facts that you posted have one iota of relevance to whether or not Rodgers was in violation of NFL guidelines, whether or not the NFL knew that he was and did nothing, or if the NFL will mete out punishment in the future.

What are you talking about? This has everything to do with that. First off I wasn't making "political points" I was answering DesertSteel's original post of "What in the world is the “alternative treatment”? He asked and I provided what they were (just like NCSteeler said). You then said, "Wild speculation on my part would be that monoclonal antibodies that everyone was super into this summer." I used a world example that I had first hand knowledge of that my parents experienced to back my point on what the alternative treatments were. I even went as far as saying, "I'm not saying COVID19 isn't a serious threat and should be ignored" because I didn't want it to become political.

The fact is this whole thread is about COVID19 and Rodgers not being vaccinated. The fact that Pfizer sponsors most of the MSM is a huge conflict of interest when they make billions off this vaccine.

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Please, take your nonsense to some bible study class somewhere. This thread is about what a lying sack of shit Rodgers is in the middle of a public health emergency.

And this is why you cannot and will not ever be taken serious. Instead of supporting your views you attack religion. Who cares if it was their Bible study class or a fantasy football league, the point is these people contracted COVID, got this treatment and it worked. The fact that the media suppresses this knowledge if scary shit. Watch the Joe Rogan interview with CNN's Dr. Gupta. He covers it all. CNN went out of their way to make it sound like Rogan went to a veterinarian to get his medicine. It was disgusting, bias and flat out lies. Yet half the country believed it.

Mojouw

11-04-2021, 01:06 PM

What are you talking about? This has everything to do with that. First off I wasn't making "political points" I was answering DesertSteel's original post of "What in the world is the “alternative treatment”? He asked and I provided what they were (just like NCSteeler said). You then said, "Wild speculation on my part would be that monoclonal antibodies that everyone was super into this summer." I used a world example that I had first hand knowledge of that my parents experienced to back my point on what the alternative treatments were. I even went as far as saying, "I'm not saying COVID19 isn't a serious threat and should be ignored" because I didn't want it to become political.

The fact is this whole thread is about COVID19 and Rodgers not being vaccinated. The fact that Pfizer sponsors most of the MSM is a huge conflict of interest when they make billions off this vaccine.

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And this is why you cannot and will not ever be taken serious. Instead of supporting your views you attack religion. Who cares if it was their Bible study class or a fantasy football league, the point is these people contracted COVID, got this treatment and it worked. The fact that the media suppresses this knowledge if scary shit. What the Joe Rogan interview with CNN's Dr. Gupta. He covers it all. CNN went out of their way to make it sound like Rogan went to a vet to get his medicine. It was disgusting.

Nope. The thread is whether or not the NFL will enforce sanctions on the reigning league MVP or not. How is that connected to the funding of various media outlets? Like I said, if you want to debate/discuss the politics of whether the NFL should define and enforce their COVID protocols a certain way or not...there are places on this site to do that.

I was only interested on whether or not Rodgers violating the letter of the NFL guidelines, the NFL knowing about it, and the evidence that exists to date is enough to suspend the league MVP or not. That's a fairly big football story in and of its own right.

Again...how this becomes about the funding of news/media sites is hard to take as anything but political.

EzraTank

11-04-2021, 01:09 PM

Nope. The thread is whether or not the NFL will enforce sanctions on the reigning league MVP or not.

You ascertained all that from the title "Aaron Rodgers is a Naughty Boy"?

You started the thread, perhaps you should change the title to be more clear so we only discuss what you want to talk about on an open forum.

willy

11-04-2021, 01:11 PM

And this is why you cannot and will not ever be taken serious.

Please, you don't take a sports forum on the WWW seriously do you?

Mojouw

11-04-2021, 01:24 PM

You ascertained all that from the title "Aaron Rodgers is a Naughty Boy"?

You started the thread, perhaps you should change the title to be more clear so we only discuss what you want to talk about on an open forum.

Well... I did put this in the opening post: "Again...not a COVID debate. But a football debate. If a player lied and violated league rules...there has to be consequences coming...right? Big test case for the Packers and the league." and it is the NFL section. Not the Soapbox.

I made an incredibly naive assumption that a group of grown adults could figure out what was going on and talk about a pretty big football story. But, I see that I was wrong.

willy

11-04-2021, 01:42 PM

Well... I did put this in the opening post: "Again...not a COVID debate. But a football debate. If a player lied and violated league rules...there has to be consequences coming...right? Big test case for the Packers and the league." and it is the NFL section. Not the Soapbox.

I made an incredibly naive assumption that a group of grown adults could figure out what was going on and talk about a pretty big football story. But, I see that I was wrong.

The bottom line is that Rodgers is an asshole. Nothing the NFL does, or doesn't do, regarding that should come as any surprise.

Mojouw

11-04-2021, 01:53 PM

Again...not helpful.

I give up. I'm gonna let this one go where it goes and make it someone else' problem. Or not. Whatever.

willy

11-04-2021, 03:48 PM

Was Aaron more than just a naughty boy? Maybe.

So did the Packers and/or Rodgers actually violate any rules? The simple answer seems to be yes. Since Rodgers is unvaccinated, he is supposed to be wearing a mask whenever one of his press conferences is held indoors at the team facility.

Here is the actual rule from the NFL's covid protocol handbook (https://static.www.nfl.com/image/upload/v1630429861/league/fq1xlxxulwwwi0hi377l.pdf): "All players and staff who are not fully vaccinated must wear masks (surgical masks are preferred; gaiters and masks with valves or vents are prohibited) at all times when inside the Club facility."
Rodgers has regularly been going maskless during his interviews, including back in August when he told the media that he was "immunized."

Rodgers might have been immunized, but he was never vaccinated.
So what's the difference? According to NFL.com (https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-tests-positive-for-covid-19-will-not-play-in-week-9-ver), Rodgers "received a homeopathic treatment from his personal doctor to raise his antibody levels" and he was hoping that would be enough to give him the same status as a vaccinated player. However, the NFL shot down his request, so Rodgers is officially viewed as unvaccinated in the eyes of the league.

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Although the mask rule seems to be the big one that Rodgers has disregarded, he also seems to have blatantly violated another rule. The Packers quarterback spent months making a big deal of his Halloween costume before showing it off over the weekend at a party that several of his teammates also attended.
Under NFL rules, an unvaccinated player isn't supposed to be at any event outside the team facility with more than three total players, "Unvaccinated Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 Individuals (including players) are prohibited from gathering in groups of more than three (3) Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 Individuals (including players) outside of the Club facility or team travel."

In this case, if there were four Packers players at the party, then Rodgers violated the rules. According to Packers offensive lineman Lucas Patrick, he saw both Marcedes Lewis and Bronson Kaufusi at the party and if you include Rodgers, that's a total of four players. It's also been
reported that Jordan Love was at the party (https://twitter.com/ScottGrodsky/status/1455938969213014018)
, which puts the number at five and based on social media, there might have been more than a dozen players in attendance, which would make this a major violation for Rodgers.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/will-aaron-rodgers-and-packers-face-punishment-from-nfl-heres-a-look-at-the-rules-they-might-have-violated/