Gruden Gone!

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32372275/jon-gruden-says-2011-emails-flagged-nfl-included-vulgar-criticism-commissioner-roger-goodell

[Fire Goodell]

Overreaction much? I honestly didn’t think his comment was racist. The media likes to make mountains out of mole hills

[cubanstogie]

gotta love the woke culture we live in!

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Overreaction much? I honestly didn’t think his comment was racist. The media likes to make mountains out of mole hills
you’re really only able to make fun of old white guys. The goodell portion of it was Okay, everything else not so much.

[Mojouw]

Hahahahahahahshaha….wait……hhaaaaahhhhhaaaa….oh goodness. This is hilarious!

Like did he and Bruce Allen think emails were magic and not permanent? Also, why are the WFT archive all these?

Overall, who is surprised by this? Old Football coaches are homophobic, potentially more than a little racist, sexist, and outdated in their interactions? Whhhhaaaaaa? No way!

Who could’ve ever thought that?

[Fire Goodell]

gotta love the woke culture we live in!

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you’re really only able to make fun of old white guys. The goodell portion of it was Okay, everything else not so much.

I'll read more into it, I only heard he made an exaggerated comment about some certain black guy's lips being big or something like that. I didn't read the rest of that article further cause I thought it was a whole bunch of nothing. Apparently there was more said than just that.

Though if he trashed goodell that puts him on my good side :chuckle:

[Hawkman]

Didn’t this happen like eleven years ago?!!?

[Mojouw]

Didn’t this happen like eleven years ago?!!?

I think so? But one report makes it seem like it was ongoing while Gruden was at ESPN. So could be up to when he started coaching again?

Also, gotta figure he didn’t just wake up one day and suddenly decide he didn’t hold certain opinions anymore.

Gonna be interesting to see what happens with all those $$$ the Raiders still owe him.

[willy]

"Gruden’s departure came after a New York Times report that N.F.L. officials, as part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him, found that Gruden had casually and frequently unleashed misogynistic and homophobic language over several years to denigrate people around the game and to mock some of the league’s momentous changes."



Gruden’s departure came after a New York Times report that N.F.L. officials, as part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him, found that Gruden had casually and frequently unleashed misogynistic and homophobic language over several years to denigrate people around the game and to mock some of the league’s momentous changes.

He denounced the emergence of women as referees, the drafting of a gay player and the tolerance of players protesting (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/sports/football/george-floyd-kaepernick-kneeling-nfl-protests.html) during the playing of the national anthem, according to emails reviewed by The Times.

Gruden’s messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, and others, while he was working for ESPN as a color analyst during “Monday Night Football.” In the emails, Gruden called the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a “faggot” and a “clueless anti football pussy” and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.

In numerous emails during a seven-year period ending in early 2018, Gruden criticized Goodell and the league for trying to reduce concussions and said that Eric Reid, a player who had demonstrated during the playing of the national anthem, should be fired. In several instances, Gruden used a homophobic slur to refer to Goodell and offensive language to describe some N.F.L. owners, coaches and journalists who cover the league.



https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/sports/football/what-did-jon-gruden-say.html

[86WARD]

Can we get that impersonator guy to read those emails in Gruden’s voice?

[fansince'76]

Can we get that impersonator guy to read those emails in Gruden’s voice?

Or better yet, this guy...

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/chucky1.jpg?w=681&h=383&crop=1

:chuckle:

[tube517]

Or better yet, this guy...

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/chucky1.jpg?w=681&h=383&crop=1

:chuckle:

:chuckle:

The real Chucky show just started on USA network last night

[EzraTank]

Overreaction much? I honestly didn’t think his comment was racist. The media likes to make mountains out of mole hills


According to Josina Anderson of ESPN, Brown approached Mayock to complain about a recent fine before calling him a "cracker" and using a barrage of "cuss words" directed at the first-year GM. A team source said Mayock "walked away because he saw it escalate" while other players held Brown back. Source (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852645-report-antonio-brown-called-raiders-mike-mayock-a-cracker-during-altercation).

And yet he's still playing in Tampa Bay. Look Gruden's comments were stupid, but let's not pretend most players haven't said some shit about white players in the past either. These witch hunts only seem to apply to a certain class. I can pretty much guarantee that most players have called someone a "fag" growing up, does that make them evil or unfit for the NFL? What's the old saying about glass houses?

[EzraTank]

Nevermind, just noticed it's willy, not worth my time.

[Mojouw]

Yes. The long suffer fabulously wealthy middle aged white dudes. Such an oppressed and unfairly targeted class. Their tale of suffering and degradation will echo through the ages.

Gruden will be back on TV or making gobs of money via football somewhere in less than 2 years.

[tube517]

Or better yet, this guy...

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/chucky1.jpg?w=681&h=383&crop=1

:chuckle:

1447994068496224264 :chuckle:

[EzraTank]

Yes. The long suffer fabulously wealthy middle aged white dudes. Such an oppressed and unfairly targeted class. Their tale of suffering and degradation will echo through the ages.

Gruden will be back on TV or making gobs of money via football somewhere in less than 2 years.

It has nothing to do with that. If you cannot see that it has to do with hypocrisy then I cannot help you. I think if Gruden is forced to resign then AB shouldn't be in the league either, it is that simple. I mean you do want equality don't you?

And you forget who owns all these TV broadcasts ... the mighty woke warriors. There is no way in hell Gruden ever gets near a job like that again. Hell Rush Limbaugh has a better chance of working on TV again and he's dead.

[Hawkman]

You can say or think whatever you want, but it doesn’t mean that there won’t be consequences, and they farther up the food chain you get, the more under the microscope you get and the greater the consequences. If there was an open mic at one of our golf outings……no telling how much trouble some of these guys would get in. One of the black guys in our group, was giving a newcomer a lesson on the difference between, “******” and “nigga”. Everyone was cracking up, because he said, “as a white friend, you can call be nigga all you want to (under the right circumstances)…. But call me the other and I will knock you out “.

[Mojouw]

It has nothing to do with that. If you cannot see that it has to do with hypocrisy then I cannot help you. I think if Gruden is forced to resign then AB shouldn't be in the league either, it is that simple. I mean you do want equality don't you?

And you forget who owns all these TV broadcasts ... the mighty woke warriors. There is no way in hell Gruden ever gets near a job like that again. Hell Rush Limbaugh has a better chance of working on TV again and he's dead.

This all comes down to the fact that Gruden came for the owners and the commish. AB called out a GM. That GM kicked him off his team. Action. Consequence. Another GM decided he's rather have AB's production and hope the other stuff got drowned out by winning.

Any other owner can immediately hire Gruden. So...the exact same consequences happened. And, the woke classes don't own any TV broadcasts. That is owned by the same class of rich dudes that own the NFL.

Gruden was dumb enough to run his mouth with a paper trail. He's a moron. And he forgot that he worked for the least powerful owner in the league (Raiders are cash strapped and burned all their favors with the move to Vegas).

[Steeler-in-west]

yeah, Grudens a loose cannon and he was dumb enough to put it on e-mail, but getting fired for this is a little over the top. He doesn't sound like a racist.

my mistake, he resigned

[ALLD]

For the record, the NFL Jumped the Shark awhile ago Too bad for Gruden if he still wanted to work. He should buy a house in the Keys and go fishing.

[86WARD]

:chuckle:

The real Chucky show just started on USA network last night

Coincidence? Maybe Gruden takes a page out of and book to work his way out of Oakland for a higher paying gig as an actor?!?

[86WARD]

Buccaneers removed him from their ring of honor. Lol.

[silver & black]

That's one way to get rid of a coach I never wanted back.

I'm still taking this all in, so I really have no comment on it other than, what he said is inexcusable.

I feel there is an ass load of hypocrisy going on here (in the league). I'm betting more than half of all owners, coaches and players in the league have said some of the same things over the course of years.

Do I think he should have been fired? Yes. Ask yourself this... what have you said over the years that people would frown on today? Should you lose your job, your life over things you said in years past? This a dangerous precedent to set.

I don't care that Gruden is no longer the Raiders' coach... I never wanted him back. I just think from here on out that people should proceed with caution about things from the past: You could be the next one to pay for past transgressions. In fact every one of us is guilty.... and you know it.

[DesertSteel]

yeah, Grudens a loose cannon and he was dumb enough to put it on e-mail, but getting fired for this is a little over the top. He doesn't sound like a racist.

my mistake, he resigned
I don't think you've read the rest of the story. There are 7-10 years worth of emails with lots of comments that would make Archie Bunker blush.

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I'm betting more than half of all owners, coaches and players in the league have said some of the same things over the course of years.


He lost his job because he was STUPID enough to put it in writing and send it to other people's computers across league owned networks. That's royally stupid beyond repair.

[silver & black]

I don't think you've read the rest of the story. There are 7-10 years worth of emails with lots of comments that would make Archie Bunker blush.

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He lost his job because he was STUPID enough to put it in writing and send it to other people's computers across league owned networks. That's royally stupid beyond repair.

I agree. How many others were just as stupid and haven't been turned out...yet?

[DesertSteel]

I agree. How many others were just as stupid and haven't been turned out...yet?
I have a feeling we're gonna find out. In corporate America we're way smarter than that, but I'm not sure about football coaches and execs that have spent their whole lives insulated around locker rooms.

But you're right, Gruden was a bad coach and you're lucky to be unsaddled from him.

[Steeler-in-west]

I don't think you've read the rest of the story. There are 7-10 years worth of emails with lots of comments that would make Archie Bunker blush.

I guess i didn't, if he went that far he's an idiot. When your full of yourself (which he seemed to be) you tend to do stupid stuff

[EzraTank]

Oh and I hope he never works on TV again either. Not because of this but because he royally SUCKED at it. He used the same lazy comment over and over. "This guy is the best ____ at this." You can tell some color guys will actually meet with the players leading up to the game and talk about a story they shared but this lazy POS was horrible as a color guy that put little to no effort into it. Good riddance.

[DesertSteel]

Keyshawn (whom I don't care for) put it best: "He's a used car salesman." (no offense to the used car salesmen out there!)

[Fire Goodell]

He lost his job because he was STUPID enough to put it in writing and send it to other people's computers across league owned networks. That's royally stupid beyond repair.

Yep, goes without saying you have to assume that any communication on any employer-provided email address is going to be monitored. A lot of times when you log in, there's a splash banner that reminds you that you have no privacy when using that system and consent to monitoring. So yep, that was incredibly stupid on his part.

[st33lersguy]

Anyone else find it weird that Gruden gets fired but Antonio Brown is still allowed to play in the NFL despite doing worse shit (plus let's not forget calling Mike Mayock a "cracker"). I really don't know what is in the emails but I am not going to assume that what was said wasn't completely overblown by the media and the excessive sensitivity of Roger Goodell and the utterly useless DeMaurice Smith

[Mojouw]

AB has a better track record of tangible recent success than Gruden?

Plus, from what I’ve seen, Gruden could work in the NFL tomorrow if anyone would hire him.

[86WARD]

It’s a blessing in disguise for the Raiders. They’ll get an opportunity at a free upgrade at HC and at a better price…

[Steeler-in-west]

Todd Haley's available

[DesertSteel]

Todd Haley's available
The up-and-coming Canada can also be had for a R2 pick.

[EzraTank]

Mike Tomlin's comments on this situation:


Earlier this season, Mike Tomlin had high praise for Jon Gruden. With his Steelers preparing to take on Gruden's Raiders, Tomlin assured reporters that his former mentor had "no fear" as a head coach, highlighting Gruden's "can-do approach" and "positive energy," both of which Tomlin said he learned from working under the former Buccaneers coach back in the early 2000s. Now, a month later, with Gruden out as Raiders coach, Tomlin opened up about his ex-mentor's resignation in the wake of an email scandal.

"I'm just saddened by it," Tomlin said Tuesday. "I'm saddened for the Raiders organization, I'm saddened for the people that were offended by it, I'm saddened for Coach Gruden. It's a sad commentary. And that's really the only opinion that I care to share at this juncture."

Gruden is just two days removed from stepping down -- a move that followed a New York Times report detailing a pattern of insensitive language, including homophobic and misogynistic comments, in his email communications between 2010-2018.

Before becoming the Steelers coach and serving one year as the Vikings defensive coordinator, Tomlin spent four seasons working under Gruden in Tampa Bay, serving as the latter's defensive backs coach. Tomlin won a Super Bowl alongside Gruden in 2002 and fostered longstanding a respect for the coach as an NFL influence.

"He looks at an issue or a problem, and he sees it as an opportunity," Tomlin said of Gruden in September, as the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. "I worked for him for four years. You can't fake that. It's every day from him. I've probably always generally had that mentality, but he helped me hone it as a vocation, as a coach. His can-do approach, the positive energy that he consistently brings to whatever challenge that the job presents helped me grow in a big way as a coach when I worked for him as a young guy, for sure."

[willy]

Earlier this season, Mike Tomlin had high praise for Jon Gruden. With his Steelers preparing to take on Gruden's Raiders, Tomlin assured reporters that his former mentor had "no fear" as a head coach, highlighting Gruden's "can-do approach" and "positive energy," both of which Tomlin said he learned from working under the former Buccaneers coach back in the early 2000s. Now, a month later, with Gruden out as Raiders coach, Tomlin opened up about his ex-mentor's resignation in the wake of an email scandal.

"I'm just saddened by it," Tomlin said Tuesday. "I'm saddened for the Raiders organization, I'm saddened for the people that were offended by it, I'm saddened for Coach Gruden. It's a sad commentary. And that's really the only opinion that I care to share at this juncture."

Gruden is just two days removed from stepping down -- a move that followed a New York Times report detailing a pattern of insensitive language, including homophobic and misogynistic comments, in his email communications between 2010-2018.

Before becoming the Steelers coach and serving one year as the Vikings defensive coordinator, Tomlin spent four seasons working under Gruden in Tampa Bay, serving as the latter's defensive backs coach. Tomlin won a Super Bowl alongside Gruden in 2002 and fostered longstanding a respect for the coach as an NFL influence.

"He looks at an issue or a problem, and he sees it as an opportunity," Tomlin said of Gruden in September, as the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. "I worked for him for four years. You can't fake that. It's every day from him. I've probably always generally had that mentality, but he helped me hone it as a vocation, as a coach. His can-do approach, the positive energy that he consistently brings to whatever challenge that the job presents helped me grow in a big way as a coach when I worked for him as a young guy, for sure."


Well said by Tomlin.

[86WARD]

Todd Haley's available

Haley is pretty good on the radio.

[j-d-s]

Just another example of the cancel culture. Cancel culture and deplatforming are one of the biggest threats to the freedom of speech, which needs to be extended in the same way as other forms of discrimination.

Nobody should lose their job because of anything they say unless it is a criminal offense, but only if convicted (except of course, removal from public office through elections or impeachment). Also, nobody should be banned from major free-speech relevant platforms suchs as Twitter, Facebook, or web hosting services, unless ordered by a judge in due process.

In my mind, free speech must apply to everyone because once we start limiting free speech to "acceptable" contents it's no longer free speech and at that point there's no stopping a steady decline of the scope of "acceptable" contents of free speech.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

gotta love the woke culture we live in!

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you’re really only able to make fun of old white guys. The goodell portion of it was Okay, everything else not so much.

The Goodell ones got him fired. Roger targeted Gruden just like he has Brady, Harrison etc.

Hundreds of thousands of emails were investigated by the NFL- creepy in of itself as if the NFL is the FBI.

The one person to suffer is Gruden?! Pretty sure lots of NFL meatheads are politically incorrect.

[DesertSteel]

Just another example of the cancel culture.
Call your boss a p**sy and a f**got and see how long it takes you to get cancelled on your job.

[Craic]

Just another example of the cancel culture. Cancel culture and deplatforming are one of the biggest threats to the freedom of speech, which needs to be extended in the same way as other forms of discrimination.

Nobody should lose their job because of anything they say unless it is a criminal offense, but only if convicted (except of course, removal from public office through elections or impeachment). Also, nobody should be banned from major free-speech relevant platforms suchs as Twitter, Facebook, or web hosting services, unless ordered by a judge in due process.

In my mind, free speech must apply to everyone because once we start limiting free speech to "acceptable" contents it's no longer free speech and at that point there's no stopping a steady decline of the scope of "acceptable" contents of free speech.

No. Just . . . No.

I really am sick and tired of hearing the "Freedom of speech" bullet point smacked onto everything and completely out of context.

Dixie Chicks speak out against the president and lose their crowdbase? Nope, not a violation of freedom of speech.
A company chooses to deny someone a platform? Nope, not a violation of freedom of speech.
Gruden gets fired? No violation there either.

Let's clarify, "Freedom of Speech" is one thing and one thing alone. The government does not intervene and arrest or otherwise fine citizen for their speech. And, even that has its limits such as crying fire in a crowded theater or inciting a riot.

Look, I think "cancel culture" is a virulent line of thought that working in the exact opposite of what many are hoping such a culture will achieve. But declaring it a threat to freedom of speech ignores what freedom of speech really is . . . freedom from government interference. It is not freedom from consequence from nongovernment entities.

[fansince'76]

No. Just . . . No.

I really am sick and tired of hearing the "Freedom of speech" bullet point smacked onto everything and completely out of context.

Dixie Chicks speak out against the president and lose their crowdbase? Nope, not a violation of freedom of speech.
A company chooses to deny someone a platform? Nope, not a violation of freedom of speech.
Gruden gets fired? No violation there either.

Let's clarify, "Freedom of Speech" is one thing and one thing alone. The government does not intervene and arrest or otherwise fine citizen for their speech. And, even that has its limits such as crying fire in a crowded theater or inciting a riot.

Look, I think "cancel culture" is a virulent line of thought that working in the exact opposite of what many are hoping such a culture will achieve. But declaring it a threat to freedom of speech ignores what freedom of speech really is . . . freedom from government interference. It is not freedom from consequence from nongovernment entities.


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[Mojouw]

No. Just . . . No.

I really am sick and tired of hearing the "Freedom of speech" bullet point smacked onto everything and completely out of context.

Dixie Chicks speak out against the president and lose their crowdbase? Nope, not a violation of freedom of speech.
A company chooses to deny someone a platform? Nope, not a violation of freedom of speech.
Gruden gets fired? No violation there either.

Let's clarify, "Freedom of Speech" is one thing and one thing alone. The government does not intervene and arrest or otherwise fine citizen for their speech. And, even that has its limits such as crying fire in a crowded theater or inciting a riot.

Look, I think "cancel culture" is a virulent line of thought that working in the exact opposite of what many are hoping such a culture will achieve. But declaring it a threat to freedom of speech ignores what freedom of speech really is . . . freedom from government interference. It is not freedom from consequence from nongovernment entities.

Bulletproof reasoning.

[EzraTank]

Yep free speech doesn't give you he ability to say shit without repercussions. What Gruden said, no one stopped him from saying. But the NFL is a private industry and if they wanted to fire him over it then it is their right (even though they didn't have to) to do so.

I have a 14 year old son and I am constantly telling him what he says or does online will be forever and to remember that. Gruden was a moron and got everything he deserved.

[DesertSteel]

Yep free speech doesn't give you he ability to say shit without repercussions. What Gruden said, no one stopped him from saying. But the NFL is a private industry and if they wanted to fire him over it then it is their right (even though they didn't have to) to do so.

I have a 14 year old son and I am constantly telling him what he says or does online will be forever and to remember that. Gruden was a moron and got everything he deserved.

Exactly, what he posts on social media right now could keep him from getting a scholarship or important job - even years down the road. Kids fail to realize that until it's too late.

[Fire Goodell]

I’d hate to grow up as a kid in this day and age, if you do something embarrassing and it’s caught on camera it’ll follow you for life. In the past you could move to a new town and nothing would follow you unless it was something crazy enough to make the news. Not so much anymore

[Craic]

I’d hate to grow up as a kid in this day and age, if you do something embarrassing and it’s caught on camera it’ll follow you for life. In the past you could move to a new town and nothing would follow you unless it was something crazy enough to make the news. Not so much anymore


Hmm. Experience? :chuckle:

In truth, we've all had those moments in the past on which we now look back and cringe. I couldn't imagine those being caught on camera and displayed for the world. It's one thing if the person who does it uploads their own video, but for someone else to do it . . . yeah, no thanks.

[teegre]

It's one thing if the person who does it uploads their own video, but for someone else to do it . . . yeah, no thanks.

And, that’s how I spend a good portion of me day.:frusty:


(Clarificatuon: I deal with cyber-bullying… I am not uploading other people’s videos.)

[Craic]

And, that’s how I spend a good portion of me day.:frusty:


(Clarificatuon: I deal with cyber-bullying… I am not uploading other people’s videos.)

:rofl2:

Sure you are . . . I'm just waiting for a video of a brother running full speed from automatic fire while screaming at you!