QB2022: Getting it Right

[DesertSteel]

The Steelers need a quarterback. The past few years have seen many misses and only a few hits. Two stand out: Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert.

What was it in their tape or in the draft process that could help identify them as outliers? Because honestly, we need to get this right next year.

[86WARD]

I don’t think they get a guy next year. I have no evidence, just a hunch that it’s not going to go QB. I think they may go with an OL.

Regardless, what scares me most is that they had a first round grade on Rudolph.

[Shoes]

I don’t think they get a guy next year. I have no evidence, just a hunch that it’s not going to go QB. I think they may go with an OL.

Regardless, what scares me most is that they had a first round grade on Rudolph.

Agreed. OL, D & WR. I'm not sold on our WR's. Clay is about the only sure one. Washington will not be here, JuJu may not be here, D.Johnson doesn't have a football mind set, he gives up on routes, playbook issues, steps out of bounds when he could have had many more yards and seems to get injured more than the others and drops balls.

[CV1]

Rudy is QB22, no if and or buts about it.

<insert hate provoking thought> [emoji37]

Team trades TJ for a boat load of picks [emoji1742]


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[Steeler-in-west]

1. leadership
2. Accuracy
3. being able to read a defense - I don’t know how that’s evaluated at the college level - because I’m sure coverages are different or simpler than in the pros , maybe see how fast a guy goes through his reads
4. arm strength
5. Athleticism- mobility

….In that order, seems like Mahomes has them all, Herbert has maybe 1-4.

[RunNGun]

It really depends on what they have in mind for free agency. They're definitely going to either sign a QB to be the guy/compete with MR, or sign a big named Olineman. Perhaps, both. Imo it will be BPA between OL and QB in rd 1.

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1. leadership
2. Accuracy
3. being able to read a defense - I don’t know how that’s evaluated at the college level - because I’m sure coverages are different or simpler than in the pros , maybe see how fast a guy goes through his reads
4. arm strength
5. Athleticism- mobility

….In that order, seems like Mahomes has them all, Herbert has maybe 1-4.

Herbert is actually a better athlete than Mahomes.

[DesertSteel]

1. leadership
2. Accuracy
3. being able to read a defense - I don’t know how that’s evaluated at the college level - because I’m sure coverages are different or simpler than in the pros , maybe see how fast a guy goes through his reads
4. arm strength
5. Athleticism- mobility

….In that order, seems like Mahomes has them all, Herbert has maybe 1-4.
Thanks for answering the actual question of the thread!! I think Herbert is a good athlete.

[Steeler-in-west]

Thanks for answering the actual question of the thread!! I think Herbert is a good athlete.

I haven’t seen much of Herbert, I guess I assumed wrong. Our next guy should be good at 1-3 at least, I think our backups are ok on 2-3 of the things I listed - not great or maybe ‘works in progress’

[DesertSteel]

I haven’t seen much of Herbert, I guess I assumed wrong. Our next guy should be good at 1-3 at least, I think our backups are ok on 2-3 of the things I listed - not great or maybe ‘works in progress’
I’m hoping we go with an athlete if everything else is equal.

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I suppose simple defenses and wide open receivers make evaluating whether a qb can read a defense difficult.

[st33lersguy]

Good athlete with a good head is what we need. Also need to make sure the O-line is better and that we have an OC that doesn't hinder the QB

[RunNGun]

1. Big arm to stretch the defense
2. Mobility
3. Accuracy
4. Leadership
5. Brains

#1 and #2 you can't teach or develop. #3, #4, and #5 you can, IMO.

[Steeler-in-west]

It really depends on what they have in mind for free agency. They're definitely going to either sign a QB to be the guy/compete with MR, or sign a big named Olineman. Perhaps, both. Imo it will be BPA between OL and QB in rd 1.

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Herbert is actually a better athlete than Mahomes.

with the lack of quality QB’s in this draft that posters are mentioning maybe o lineman in first round,

[RunNGun]

with the lack of quality QB’s in this draft that posters are mentioning maybe o lineman in first round,

That would be alright with me. They have to solidify the OL before anything else. Bringing in a rookie QB behind this OL is setting the Steelers up to be the "new" New York Jets.

[DesertSteel]

with the lack of quality QB’s in this draft that posters are mentioning maybe o lineman in first round,
Depends on QB free agent/ trade market. Who might be available?

- Jimmy G.
- Cam
- Dalton
- Tua
- Lock
- Jones
- Watson
- Mariotta
- Goff
- Ryan
- ???


Not a lot of appealing names. Might be best to roll with Rudolph compared to those names. That's why I think they go QB in R1.

[RunNGun]

Depends what they do in free agency, IMO. They could potentially add 2 big-named offensive lineman. If they went that route then QB is a good choice in rd 1. If they bring a QB in through free agency then I expect they'll go OL in rd 1.

I'd rather they solidified the OL in free agency and went after their QB in rd 1.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I have seen Ole Miss QB Matt Corral mocked to the Steelers.

he plays against Alabama this Saturday, might be worth watching to see how he does.

[Mojouw]

What I would look for:

Playmaking outside of structure
Ability to move and reset launch point
Football IQ
Fearless
Ability to immediately forget bad plays
Big arm
Accurate

So you know…basically everything?

[RunNGun]

Corral doesn't strike me as 1st round talent. He's undersized and doesn't have a strong arm. Reminds me of Tua a little bit, so maybe he will go R1, but I'd prefer Malik Willis. Willis has a cannon for an arm.

[DesertSteel]

As a GM, this will be Colbert’s most important pick ever.

[Fire Goodell]

Corral doesn't strike me as 1st round talent. He's undersized and doesn't have a strong arm. Reminds me of Tua a little bit, so maybe he will go R1, but I'd prefer Malik Willis. Willis has a cannon for an arm.

What you talkin bout Willis?

[teegre]

Herbert had a worse OC than Fitchner. So, what we need to do is watch high school tapes of players who went to colleges where their coaches failed them.

Ok. Joking aside.

ARM: Mahomes & Herbert can make all of the throws. But, arm strength alone is not good enough, otherwise Jeff George would have been a HOFer. You have to have accuracy and touch.
-strength
-accuracy
-touch

MIND: Being able to read defenses is important. Being able to anticipate and throw guys open is important; too many “great” college QBs were throwing to wide-open receivers. In the NFL, you have to anticipate when a receiver will break and throw to where he will (eventually) be open. That might actually be a little more important than reading defenses (but, really… both are about the same, tho).
-anticipation
-ability to read defenses

LEGS: I do not need a runner, but you do have to be able to scramble. Marino might thrive with today’s passsing rules, but I also think that he’d be limited by his lack of mobility. (It would be a wash; Marino would have lots of passing yards but also get sacked a bunch.) Ergo, as others have said…
-athleticism

SUMMATION:
If I had to rank everything, it would be as listed above.
-arm strength
-arm accuracy
-touch
-anticipation
-reading defenses
-athleticism

[86WARD]

Agreed. OL, D & WR. I'm not sold on our WR's. Clay is about the only sure one. Washington will not be here, JuJu may not be here, D.Johnson doesn't have a football mind set, he gives up on routes, playbook issues, steps out of bounds when he could have had many more yards and seems to get injured more than the others and drops balls.

JuJu is rock solid when he gets the opportunity. If they let him walk, I fell it will be a huge mistake. He’s not a #1 guy yet and may never be a number one guy but he and Claypool combined with a number one or very good number two and a guy who can get them the ball would be dangerous. Would be a mistake to let him go. I’d keep him over Johnson 10/10 times.

[EzraTank]

I don’t think they get a guy next year. I have no evidence, just a hunch that it’s not going to go QB. I think they may go with an OL.

Regardless, what scares me most is that they had a first round grade on Rudolph.

I'm with you. After watching the video that Shoes posted, our biggest problem is the OL hands down (followed by a horrible offensive coordinator/game plan). The guy in the video pointed out how little time Ben has to throw and how not open our receivers are after 2.2 seconds when the pressure starts to hit. A younger Ben was great at shrugging off pressure and creating stuff on the run but those days for Ben are over. I think if they benched Ben for Rudolph nothing would change because Rudolph is a statue like Ben. Haskins would be the better choice because he can move a little bit and has a rocket arm. But Haskins can't read defenses and makes a lot of mistakes or misses open guys.

We need to rebuild this line, period. You could put Mahomes behind this line and we might win a few more games but still wouldn't be contenders. Our offensive schemes are ... well offensive. This is why I think we draft the best lineman in the next draft and sign/trade for a veteran to replace Ben. I just hope it's not Fitzpatrick. Teams that sign Fitzpatrick are signalling they're in a rebuild.

[Rotorhead]

I'm with you. After watching the video that Shoes posted, our biggest problem is the OL hands down (followed by a horrible offensive coordinator/game plan). The guy in the video pointed out how little time Ben has to throw and how not open our receivers are after 2.2 seconds when the pressure starts to hit. A younger Ben was great at shrugging off pressure and creating stuff on the run but those days for Ben are over. I think if they benched Ben for Rudolph nothing would change because Rudolph is a statue like Ben. Haskins would be the better choice because he can move a little bit and has a rocket arm. But Haskins can't read defenses and makes a lot of mistakes or misses open guys.

We need to rebuild this line, period. You could put Mahomes behind this line and we might win a few more games but still wouldn't be contenders. Our offensive schemes are ... well offensive. This is why I think we draft the best lineman in the next draft and sign/trade for a veteran to replace Ben. I just hope it's not Fitzpatrick. Teams that sign Fitzpatrick are signalling they're in a rebuild.

My exact thoughts

[teegre]

JuJu is rock solid when he gets the opportunity. If they let him walk, I fell it will be a huge mistake. He’s not a #1 guy yet and may never be a number one guy but he and Claypool combined with a number one or very good number two and a guy who can get them the ball would be dangerous. Would be a mistake to let him go. I’d keep him over Johnson 10/10 times.


I agree: I would keep JuJu. He moved inside… and “only” had the best season a slot receiver had in the past half decade.

As I’ve posted elsewhere, when JuJu played outside (no AB, younger Ben) he had #1 numbers. Whether he is a true “#1” or not, he’s an excellent receiver… who is still younger than some of the guys drafted in the past two seasons.

DJ is what he is. On draft day, I stated that DJ would be frustrating for us to watch. I said he’d make some amazing catches… and then make a frustrating drop (on about 1/9 targets). So far, that is indeed what he has done: made amazing catches but also had infuriating drops. IMO, I’d let him walk (and take the R3 comp).

[Shoes]

JuJu is rock solid when he gets the opportunity. If they let him walk, I fell it will be a huge mistake. He’s not a #1 guy yet and may never be a number one guy but he and Claypool combined with a number one or very good number two and a guy who can get them the ball would be dangerous. Would be a mistake to let him go. I’d keep him over Johnson 10/10 times.

Oh I agree on JuJu. I think the steelers can replace Johnson in the draft very easy.

[Mojouw]

Johnson is a dummy but replacement will not be easy. Guys that can get open on their own off the line of scrimmage are not easy to find.

There’s a reason that he’s the ONLY WR with that skill on the roster.

[Shoes]

Johnson is a dummy but replacement will not be easy. Guys that can get open on their own off the line of scrimmage are not easy to find.

There’s a reason that he’s the ONLY WR with that skill on the roster.

The Steelers drafted DJ R3 2019, Clay R2 in 2020 and PF, R2 in 2021. In 2022 they will find a replacement for DJ if they are zeroed in on that position, it's the one position we all know that they are very good at assessing.

Lots to pick from.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2022-nfl-draft-top-wide-receivers-justyn-ross-chris-olave/

[Mojouw]

The Steelers drafted DJ R3 2019, Clay R2 in 2020 and PF, R2 in 2021. In 2022 they will find a replacement for DJ if they are zeroed in on that position, it's the one position we all know that they are very good at assessing.

Lots to pick from.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2022-nfl-draft-top-wide-receivers-justyn-ross-chris-olave/

Not all WRs are created equal. In the Steelers current way of running their offense, they want/need a guy who can get off the line of scrimmage and beat close one on one coverage without any help from motion or formation. This is how they typically use their "X" WR. Often that guy is the 1 on the opposite side of a 3 receiver alignment on the other side of the field.

No other WR on the roster can do that right now. Not Juju. Not Claypool. No one. it was the same when AB was doing the job. Those kinds of guys are really hard to find.

[Shoes]

Not all WRs are created equal. In the Steelers current way of running their offense, they want/need a guy who can get off the line of scrimmage and beat close one on one coverage without any help from motion or formation. This is how they typically use their "X" WR. Often that guy is the 1 on the opposite side of a 3 receiver alignment on the other side of the field.

No other WR on the roster can do that right now. Not Juju. Not Claypool. No one. it was the same when AB was doing the job. Those kinds of guys are really hard to find.


I agree, but I think they can find someone better than DJ in the draft. I don't think they've been shopping for that skill set since 2019 and they have been giving Johnson time for the fog to clear.

[Mojouw]

I agree, but I think they can find someone better than DJ in the draft. I don't think they've been shopping for that skill set since 2019 and they have been giving Johnson time for the fog to clear.

Fair. But I don't think they have. I think DJ is their guy...but that could change at any point.

[Shoes]

Fair. But I don't think they have. I think DJ is their guy...but that could change at any point.

:chuckle:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Depends on QB free agent/ trade market. Who might be available?

- Jimmy G.
- Cam
- Dalton
- Tua
- Lock
- Jones
- Watson
- Mariotta
- Goff
- Ryan
- ???


Not a lot of appealing names. Might be best to roll with Rudolph compared to those names. That's why I think they go QB in R1.

I think with the cap space the Steelers will have, they can go with any one of several of those guys on a 2 or 3 year deal and also draft a QB in round 1. Add Jacoby Brissett to that list as well.

The QB crop is going to consist of guys like Howell, Rattler, Slovis, Malik Willis, Carson Strong, that all could end up 1st round grades. If they find a guy that they like, then I can see it happening, but I dont think the Steelers look to throw them into the fire year 1. So I expect a veteran presence, but one that is more of a has been from that list instead of a never-was like Rudolph or Haskins.

What was the Steelers pick this year, #20? I think there is a good chance that they are picking at least #15 or higher in the 2022 draft.

[Steeler-in-west]

Ryan took the falcons to the super bowl a few years ago, then again he’s not a scrambler so our line would have to improve if we brought him on

[EzraTank]

Ryan took the falcons to the super bowl a few years ago, then again he’s not a scrambler so our line would have to improve if we brought him on

Look at Goff's draft. He went first, Wentz second and they are both middle of the road QB's at this point. It really is a crap shoot. Both went to a Superbowl and both have since been traded by their drafting teams. Goff lost his SB and Wentz watched Nick Foles win his.

[Steeler-in-west]

Look at Goff's draft. He went first, Wentz second and they are both middle of the road QB's at this point. It really is a crap shoot. Both went to a Superbowl and both have since been traded by their drafting teams. Goff lost his SB and Wentz watched Nick Foles win his.

Ryan is better than both those guys, for the most part what did he have to work with in Atlanta ? Except for Julio Jones?

[Mojouw]

Matt Ryan might be the only non-rookie QB playing worse than Ben right now.

[Steeler-in-west]

Matt Ryan might be the only non-rookie QB playing worse than Ben right now.

again, is it the QB or the lack of support making the QB look bad or worse than he is (as in the Steelers case)

[Mojouw]

again, is it the QB or the lack of support making the QB look bad or worse than he is (as in the Steelers case)

From everything I can tell, it is Ryan being as washed up or more so than Ben.

Arthur Smith was the architect of the Titans offense and Tannehill's resurgence. He is coaching the Falcons now. They have a ton of weapons (Ridley, Pitts, Davis, etc). I mean they can't play defense, but Ryan is struggling to complete passes.

[86WARD]

From everything I can tell, it is Ryan being as washed up or more so than Ben.

Arthur Smith was the architect of the Titans offense and Tannehill's resurgence. He is coaching the Falcons now. They have a ton of weapons (Ridley, Pitts, Davis, etc). I mean they can't play defense, but Ryan is struggling to complete passes.

Mike Davis is a joke. He’s the RB equivalent of a washed up QB. He’s had double digit touches each week and he’s been one of the more pedestrian starting backs in the league. Hardly a weapon.

The Falcons have had the same issues. Poor O-Line play, receivers not getting open. Losing Jones was huge and after Pitts and Ridley, there’s really nothing there…like nothing. Tajae Sharpe, Christian Blake, Zaccheaus…that’s rough…I think Russell Gage is still there…he’s serviceable.

[Mojouw]

Mike Davis is a joke. He’s the RB equivalent of a washed up QB. He’s had double digit touches each week and he’s been one of the more pedestrian starting backs in the league. Hardly a weapon.

The Falcons have had the same issues. Poor O-Line play, receivers not getting open. Losing Jones was huge and after Pitts and Ridley, there’s really nothing there…like nothing. Tajae Sharpe, Christian Blake, Zaccheaus…that’s rough…I think Russell Gage is still there…he’s serviceable.

Smith schemed it up with about that or less in Tennessee. I am not arguing that the Falcons are that great of a roster...but Ryan has enough tools to do more than he is.

[Steeler-in-west]

Sacked 7 times this season already - almost as much as Ben. Ryan has always had good stats, even when the team as a whole was playing crappy - like last year 4-12, and he still threw 26 td’s against 11 interceptions - there are worse options out there if your looking for a bridge QB. I mean Carr might be better at this stage but who would be available?

[Mojouw]

I will go out on a limb here. Matt Ryan is done. He’s no different than Ben at this point. He’s cooked.

There are no quick and easy fixes at the QB position. That’s why basically every franchise is always kinda looking for one.

The right Draft pick with Mason Rudolph as the bridge QB is the most likely shortest path to a return to contention.

[DesertSteel]

I will go out on a limb here. Matt Ryan is done. He’s no different than Ben at this point. He’s cooked.

There are no quick and easy fixes at the QB position. That’s why basically every franchise is always kinda looking for one.

The right Draft pick with Mason Rudolph as the bridge QB is the most likely shortest path to a return to contention.

That's why they missed when they could have picked up Darnold or Bridgewater for practically nothing and still been able to pay Ben. Both are miles better than Ben at this point. This is a playoff team with either at QB.

[EzraTank]

That's why they missed when they could have picked up Darnold or Bridgewater for practically nothing and still been able to pay Ben. Both are miles better than Ben at this point. This is a playoff team with either at QB.

Playoff team? Maybe but not with our current OL.

[DesertSteel]

Playoff team? Maybe but not with our current OL.
I believe so. Bad QB play makes our OL look even worse. As for the run, who knows when they run 10-12 times a game, most out of the shotgun.

[Mojouw]

That's why they missed when they could have picked up Darnold or Bridgewater for practically nothing and still been able to pay Ben. Both are miles better than Ben at this point. This is a playoff team with either at QB.

I’ll agree with Darnold. I believe you’ve mentioned that move as early as last season.

Bridgewater is fine. But not sure Rudolph couldn’t do similar. Different styles but similar ceilings.

[teegre]

The Steelers have scouted the following QBs:

Sam Howell, North Carolina
Malik Willis, Liberty
Kenny Pickett, Pitt

Howell was (at one point) the top-rated QB prospect. Willis currently is the top prospect. Pickett is having a great season.

If the Steelers had the #1 overall pick, I’d take Evan Neal (LT, ‘Bama) in a heartbeat… and take a QB at 33. IMO, there isn’t a clear-cut “top” QB in this draft. It still take one early, but there zero chance I pass on Neal.

At 10-15 (which is far more likely than #1), I might go for Kenyon Green (OG, Texas A&M) or move Kendric Green to RG and take Tyler Linderbaum (C, Iowa). That said, very good interior linemen can be had at 45; so, I might go for Matt Corral (QB, Ole Miss) or Carson Strong (QB, Nevada). Decisions, decisions.

[Steeldude]

The Steelers need a quarterback. The past few years have seen many misses and only a few hits. Two stand out: Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert.

What was it in their tape or in the draft process that could help identify them as outliers? Because honestly, we need to get this right next year.

It's a bad year for franchise QBs. I doubt the Steelers will draft a QB in 2022.

Steelers need help in nearly every position.

[teegre]

It's a bad year for franchise QBs. I doubt the Steelers will draft a QB in 2022.

Indeed At this time last season, it looked like a very promising draft class of QBs. Alas, not many of them have really progressed as much as expected… except for Kenny Pickett.

The Steelers are doing their homework by looking at all of the top prospects, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they went with Rudolph and/or Haskins for a year, and then went “all in” on their guy in 2023.

That said, I could just as easily see them drafting a QB in every draft until they “hit” in a good one. My gut keeps telling me that they will draft Pickett (on Day 2).

[Shoes]

Indeed At this time last season, it looked like a very promising draft class of QBs. Alas, not many of them have really progressed as much as expected… except for Kenny Pickett.

The Steelers are doing their homework by looking at all of the top prospects, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they went with Rudolph and/or Haskins for a year, and then went “all in” on their guy in 2023.

That said, I could just as easily see them drafting a QB in every draft until they “hit” in a good one. My gut keeps telling me that they will draft Pickett (on Day 2).

This is what I think will happen.

[86WARD]

Matt Ryan is looking pretty good today…

[ETL]

DJ if he left the Steelers would be the next Emmanuel Sanders - he will find success.

[teegre]

My gut keeps telling me that they will draft Pickett (on Day 2).

Change this to Day 1.

[Edman]

If Kenny Pickett continues his rise, he may not even be there for the Steelers.

[86WARD]

If Kenny Pickett continues his rise, he may not even be there for the Steelers.

No QB selected in 2022. 2023 will be the QB draft.

[DesertSteel]

No QB selected in 2022. 2023 will be the QB draft.
Sometimes the gem is found outside of the hype. I say they make a run for Rodgers. If that fails, they go through the draft. No way Rodgers will sign under the conditions of the Steelers drafting a QB!

[BlackAndGold]

Only QB that has my attention is Carson Strong but reports are that he has a knee issue. We'll know about his medicals during or after the combine.

Colbert going to UNC to see Howell is still very telling to me, it's likely I'm reading too much into it but this team identifies a prospect early they want to target, Howell may be that guy, though opinions can change.


Personally, I'm hoping for Rodgers to force himself to Pittsburgh, which will open a 2-3 year window. (Yes, I do truly believe he'll consider Pittsburgh, won't be first option though)

[DesertSteel]

Only QB that has my attention is Carson Strong but reports are that he has a knee issue. We'll know about his medicals during or after the combine.

Colbert going to UNC to see Howell is still very telling to me, it's likely I'm reading too much into it but this team identifies a prospect early they want to target, Howell may be that guy, though opinions can change.


Personally, I'm hoping for Rodgers to force himself to Pittsburgh, which will open a 2-3 year window. (Yes, I do truly believe he'll consider Pittsburgh, won't be first option though)

Who do you think he'd pick first? He loves Tomlin. They have good receivers and a good defense. Hopefully, the OL improves as well. I can't see him picking the garbage heap of Denver over the Steelers.

[BlackAndGold]

Who do you think he'd pick first? He loves Tomlin. They have good receivers and a good defense. Hopefully, the OL improves as well. I can't see him picking the garbage heap of Denver over the Steelers.

His love of the 49ers is well known, but I agree he'll consider the Steelers due to things you mentioned. This team currently constructed, is similar to the Bucs before Brady joined.

[DesertSteel]

His love of the 49ers is well known, but I agree he'll consider the Steelers due to things you mentioned. This team currently constructed, is similar to the Bucs before Brady joined.
The 49s have the 3rd pick of this year's draft ready to take over. No way Rodgers goes into a QB controversy scenario. In Pittsburgh, he has to beat out Mason Rudolph lol.

[86WARD]

His love of the 49ers is well known, but I agree he'll consider the Steelers due to things you mentioned. This team currently constructed, is similar to the Bucs before Brady joined.

Why would he go to a place that just drafted Trey Lance?

The only thing he’s said so far is that he would never go to Chicago. Lol.

[86WARD]

Sometimes the gem is found outside of the hype. I say they make a run for Rodgers. If that fails, they go through the draft. No way Rodgers will sign under the conditions of the Steelers drafting a QB!

I can see that. I can also see them just sticking with the three QBs they have in Rudolph, Haskins and Dobbs…

I tend to think the latter is more likely.

[Rotorhead]

I can see that. I can also see them just sticking with the three QBs they have in Rudolph, Haskins and Dobbs…

I tend to think the latter is more likely.

I imagine there will be a few QBs out there to pick up if we don’t draft one, ones that would probably do well in a better system with weapons and (hopefully) an OL that is going to be solid for the next several years.

[RunNGun]

I can see that. I can also see them just sticking with the three QBs they have in Rudolph, Haskins and Dobbs…

I tend to think the latter is more likely.

They will bring in a free agent if they don't draft one. There's no way we go into next season with MR, DH, and JD, IMO. Either Rudolph or Haskins will likely be cut and then one of them will compete for the starting job with either a rookie or free agent. I don't see them bringing in any big names, but there will be better QBs out there than what we have that do not require a fat contract.

[DesertSteel]

I can see that. I can also see them just sticking with the three QBs they have in Rudolph, Haskins and Dobbs…

I tend to think the latter is more likely.
Yeah, if they did that, I'd have to change my opinion of Colbert. A lot.

[Steeler-in-west]

Just my guess, I don't think they're sticking with MR/Haskins JD only, unless one of them - most likely MR takes over for Ben this season and does well. If we finish at or above 500 with Ben they probably sign a FA next year (Rodgers?),

i don't think they draft a QB unless we have a 4 or 5 win type season.

[86WARD]

Yeah, if they did that, I'd have to change my opinion of Colbert. A lot.

I would hope not but would anyone be surprised? They love sticking with “their guys” for too long.

[that1guy]

Not all WRs are created equal. In the Steelers current way of running their offense, they want/need a guy who can get off the line of scrimmage and beat close one on one coverage without any help from motion or formation. This is how they typically use their "X" WR. Often that guy is the 1 on the opposite side of a 3 receiver alignment on the other side of the field.

No other WR on the roster can do that right now. Not Juju. Not Claypool. No one. it was the same when AB was doing the job. Those kinds of guys are really hard to find.

The lack of mobility from their current QB forces them to employ the physical-off-the-line receiver. When the Steelers draft Ben's successor a different approach may be implemented

[86WARD]

The lack of mobility from their current QB forces them to employ the physical-off-the-line receiver. When the Steelers draft Ben's successor a different approach may be implemented

I would almost guarantee that none of that thought goes into building this roster.

[teegre]

Odds of other team’s QBs becoming the Steelers starting QB next season:

12:1 Derek Carr
15:1 Russell Wilson
16:1 Aaron Rodgers
69:1 Deshaun Watson

[Mojouw]

Odds of other team’s QBs becoming the Steelers starting QB next season:

12:1 Derek Carr
15:1 Russell Wilson
16:1 Aaron Rodgers
69:1 Deshaun Watson

Noice

[HollywoodSteel]

I would hope not but would anyone be surprised? They love sticking with “their guys” for too long.

I’m not sure what to base this on. Tomlin has never been in the position to need a starting QB other than Ben. We don’t know what his approach would be.

[86WARD]

I’m not sure what to base this on. Tomlin has never been in the position to need a starting QB other than Ben. We don’t know what his approach would be.

I mean one can only gather from previous signings and roster moves that it would not be surprising. There are endless positions where players have stayed on this roster long past their due. Not saying they wouldn’t address it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they rolled with the three that are on the current roster.

[Drazo85]

I’m not sure what to base this on. Tomlin has never been in the position to need a starting QB other than Ben. We don’t know what his approach would be.Mike Vick.

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[willy]

Obviously, Aaron Rodgers at the Steelers would be great for Pittsburg and great for the league creating an instant SB contender. I hope it happens.

[Rotorhead]

Obviously, Aaron Rodgers at the Steelers would be great for Pittsburg and great for the league creating an instant SB contender. I hope it happens.

And to better that we could draft OL and CB with our first 2 picks, filling what I see as our top 2 needs!

[Mojouw]

Rodgers is under contract to a SB contender.

Also, if you trade for Rodgers (assuming he’s actually available), your not addressing squat in the draft with high picks. You’re gonna have to part with a bushel of 1st through 3rd round picks to get the guy on your roster.

If Rodgers becomes a Steeler, he better like the right now roster because significant reinforcements likely aren’t coming.

[willy]

Rodgers is under contract to a SB contender.

Also, if you trade for Rodgers (assuming he’s actually available), your not addressing squat in the draft with high picks. You’re gonna have to part with a bushel of 1st through 3rd round picks to get the guy on your roster.

If Rodgers becomes a Steeler, he better like the right now roster because significant reinforcements likely aren’t coming.


You bring Rodgers to the Steelers and now you've got one of the top organizations in the NFL with a highest level QB. What's not too like?

[DesertSteel]

Rodgers is under contract to a SB contender.

Also, if you trade for Rodgers (assuming he’s actually available), your not addressing squat in the draft with high picks. You’re gonna have to part with a bushel of 1st through 3rd round picks to get the guy on your roster.

If Rodgers becomes a Steeler, he better like the right now roster because significant reinforcements likely aren’t coming.
If Rodgers was quarterbacking this team in 2021, the Steelers would be a Super Bowl favorite. Sure the o-line needs work, but IMO, Ben makes that o-line look a lot worse than it is with his immobility.

[Steeler-in-west]

If Rodgers was quarterbacking this team in 2021, the Steelers would be a Super Bowl favorite. Sure the o-line needs work, but IMO, Ben makes that o-line look a lot worse than it is with his immobility.

yeah, Ben and this young o line are not a good pairing. I’m sure the Steelers FO knew it, but with Pouncey retiring, AV declining and DeCastro getting hurt, seems they had little choice in the outcome. I only prefer that they kept Feiler and drafted Humphrey

[Mojouw]

You bring Rodgers to the Steelers and now you've got one of the top organizations in the NFL with a highest level QB. What's not too like?


If Rodgers was quarterbacking this team in 2021, the Steelers would be a Super Bowl favorite. Sure the o-line needs work, but IMO, Ben makes that o-line look a lot worse than it is with his immobility.

Sure. And he (Rodgers) has that in Green Bay right now. The Packers have roster holes and a pending cap situation. The Steelers have roster holes and with Rodgers would be facing a draft pick deficit for several years.

All I am saying is that the Steelers are not without their warts even with Rodgers on the roster. It wouldn't be like the Bucs getting Brady or the Broncos getting Manning. The cost in draft picks would hinder the ability to patch holes.

[DesertSteel]

Sure. And he (Rodgers) has that in Green Bay right now. The Packers have roster holes and a pending cap situation. The Steelers have roster holes and with Rodgers would be facing a draft pick deficit for several years.

All I am saying is that the Steelers are not without their warts even with Rodgers on the roster. It wouldn't be like the Bucs getting Brady or the Broncos getting Manning. The cost in draft picks would hinder the ability to patch holes.

But Rodgers clearly does not like the management in Green Bay. He went to the NFCCG last year and still wanted out. But if he stays in GB, there are other options. Wilson may want out of Seattle. He would be a much better acquisition. On the lesser end, potential only, I'd look at Jordan Love. I think he's a better talent than all of this year's QBs coming out.

There's going to be significant cost to any legit QB they sign. And that will limit the holes they can fill. But, a franchise QB is worth the expense.

[willy]

Sure. And he (Rodgers) has that in Green Bay right now. The Packers have roster holes and a pending cap situation. The Steelers have roster holes and with Rodgers would be facing a draft pick deficit for several years.

All I am saying is that the Steelers are not without their warts even with Rodgers on the roster. It wouldn't be like the Bucs getting Brady or the Broncos getting Manning. The cost in draft picks would hinder the ability to patch holes.

Well, I'm not going to piss on GB but they aren't the Steelers.


The Packers have roster holes and a pending cap situation. The Steelers have roster holes and with Rodgers would be facing a draft pick deficit for several years.

All I am saying is that the Steelers are not without their warts even with Rodgers on the roster. It wouldn't be like the Bucs getting Brady or the Broncos getting Manning. The cost in draft picks would hinder the ability to patch holes

I'd take my chances. With Rodgers suddenly every time you break the huddle you know you have a shot.

[Dwinsgames]

all this A Rod talk is beyond silly when you look and see he isnt an URFA until 2024 at that point he would be 39 pushing 40 .....

[Rotorhead]

Rodgers is under contract to a SB contender.

Also, if you trade for Rodgers (assuming he’s actually available), your not addressing squat in the draft with high picks. You’re gonna have to part with a bushel of 1st through 3rd round picks to get the guy on your roster.

If Rodgers becomes a Steeler, he better like the right now roster because significant reinforcements likely aren’t coming.

Doh, i was thinking he would be a FA next year, forgot he was still under contract.

[86WARD]

Rodgers is under contract to a SB contender.

Also, if you trade for Rodgers (assuming he’s actually available), your not addressing squat in the draft with high picks. You’re gonna have to part with a bushel of 1st through 3rd round picks to get the guy on your roster.

If Rodgers becomes a Steeler, he better like the right now roster because significant reinforcements likely aren’t coming.

Rodgers is in a place he doesn’t want to be. According to most people here, a “competent QB” gets this team deep into the playoffs. Arguably the same distance as the Packers would get.

[86WARD]

all this A Rod talk is beyond silly when you look and see he isnt an URFA until 2024 at that point he would be 39 pushing 40 .....

He’s able to opt out and force a trade next season if he wants to. That was part of his deal.

[BlackAndGold]

If no best case scenario happens, which is Rodgers coming to Pittsburgh


Could we see this?
https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/3039707.png&w=350&h=254

Steelers 2022 starting QB, Mitch Trubisky.

[DesertSteel]

He’s able to opt out and force a trade next season if he wants to. That was part of his deal.
I believe this is the agreement as well per sources like Schefter.

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If no best case scenario happens, which is Rodgers coming to Pittsburgh


Could we see this?
https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/3039707.png&w=350&h=254

Steelers 2022 starting QB, Mitch Trubisky.

or maybe Mariotta.

[Mojouw]

GB is winning now. Currently it’s viewed as all hunky dory up this way.

The “hidden” variable is what the plan looks like for the Pack gets cap compliant. I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I think roster changes are coming.

Will that push Rodgers to leave? Shmaybe? But if GB continues to placate him; likely he sticks around.

[BlackAndGold]

or maybe Mariotta.

Yea maybe.

Though with Trubisky playing for Buffalo, Tomlin will have good info on him from Bills HC Sean McDermott, who is a good friends with Tomlin.

He's the name I have circled.

[DesertSteel]

Yea maybe.

Though with Trubisky playing for Buffalo, Tomlin will have good info on him from Bills HC Sean McDermott, who is a good friends with Tomlin.
But we make really good deals with the Raiders! Lol

[Mojouw]

I’d rather start Mike Tomczack and ensure the first overall pick than muck about with Mariotta and Trubisky. They’re awful.

[DesertSteel]

I’d rather start Mike Tomczack and ensure the first overall pick than muck about with Mariotta and Trubisky. They’re awful.
But Tomlin will go to all lengths to ensure his non-losing season streak stays intact.