2021 - Week 3 - Bengals @ Steelers

[86WARD]

#HereWeGo!

[stillers4me]

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[86WARD]

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He’s not carrying a playbook or watching video. He’s a bum. How far he walk with his hands in his pockets!

[Shoes]

Please check your bitching bib at the door. :chuckle:

[86WARD]

Please check your bitching bib at the door. :chuckle:

Damn...I bought a whole box of black and yellow ones to hand out...small ones and big ones. Free for all 14 and over...

[Devilsdancefloor]

Here we GO!

[Mojouw]

Damn...I bought a whole box of black and yellow ones to hand out...small ones and big ones. Free for all 14 and over...

Those sound great!

[Edman]

Damn...I bought a whole box of black and yellow ones to hand out...small ones and big ones. Free for all 14 and over...

I'll take several. Might need them just in case.

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Kevin Harlan is calling this game, so at least we'll get good commentary.

[stillers4me]

Bengals win the toss...defers.

[Edman]

Offense goes first. Najee doesn't go down on his first carry.

[86WARD]

Najee gets 100 today on the ground.

[pczach]

I love how Green and Washington were trying to push the pile there.

[Edman]

First Offensive Line penalty.

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Three and out. Throw never had a chance.

[Shoes]

Damn...I bought a whole box of black and yellow ones to hand out...small ones and big ones. Free for all 14 and over...

:chuckle:

[86WARD]

Apple finally finds a guy he can cover…

[Shoes]

Not great effort from Washington

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Mason was standing next to Tomlin with his helmet on?

[Edman]

Not great effort from Washington

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Mason was standing next to Tomlin with his helmet on?

Effort can only do so much when the throw is a balloon out of bounds.

[86WARD]

That’s what I don’t get…other teams have guys wide open with four defenders in the general area. Steelers receivers are almost always blanketed by one guy.

[pczach]

Not great effort from Washington

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Mason was standing next to Tomlin with his helmet on?




Washington looked back like he was looking for a fan. You would think he would lay out for that ball.

[86WARD]

Nice pressure by the Ingram and Jones!

[Shoes]

Effort can only do so much when the throw is a balloon out of bounds.

Didn't look out of bounds to me rather ahead of Washington

[pczach]

I thought they didn't call the hold for a second there!

[86WARD]

Good tackle by Norwood.

[86WARD]

Good job by Ray Ray to get the offense some more room.

[86WARD]

Nice run by Najee…of course…holding on the O-Line.

[Edman]

Green called for a hold.

[86WARD]

Another nice job by Najee. Negated by a flag.

[Edman]

Offense getting smashed with penalties. Going backwards.

[pczach]

These penalties......They are always behind the sticks.

It's hard to make first downs playing like this.

[86WARD]

Claypool follows his penalty up with a drop.

[86WARD]

Don’t even try to throw the ball downfield. Lol.

[Edman]

Your offense is only as effective as your quarterback/offensive line.

We cannot do anything else.

[86WARD]

Spillane gets hit by a sniper. Lol. Dafuq?

[Shoes]

great play call. :chuckle:

[86WARD]

Your offense is only as effective as your quarterback.

We cannot do anything else.

Nothing about that drive was the QBs fault.

[Steeler-in-west]

Good job by Harvin to get it out of there

[Shoes]

Claypool follows his penalty up with a drop.

Tomlin needs to get his doghouse ready for some guests. :chuckle:

[Devilsdancefloor]

these slow offense starts ugh is all i can say.

[pczach]

Nothing about that drive was the QBs fault.


Absolutely nothing.

[dislocatedday]

There is a long way to go in this game, but so far the offense looks just as inept today as it has been. When they do get some productive yards there is a penalty called.

[86WARD]

Tomlin needs to get his doghouse ready for some guests. :chuckle:

They might as well just change the name of Heinz Field…

[stillers4me]

Yes!!!!

[86WARD]

Nice play by Fitzpatrick and interception by Edmunds

[Devilsdancefloor]

nice!!

[Shoes]

nice tip by mink

[Edman]

Edmunds was better off running that back.

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False start on the Offensive Line.

The O-Line is definitely being the heat so far.

[86WARD]

More penalties for the offense.

[pczach]

This team is making so many mistakes........

[Devilsdancefloor]

penalties are gonna kill us today

[Edman]

Nope. That was Offensive Line's fault.

It was the O-Line that made Ben double clutch there.

[86WARD]

Jesus…

[Edman]

The OLine has been trash today.

[Devilsdancefloor]

ugh WTF they are playing to lose

[86WARD]

Nope. That was Offensive Line's fault.

It was the O-Line that made Ben double clutch there.

But how do you know what the route was? Regardless, O-Line has been garbage.

[dislocatedday]

At least the fans are booing the offense today in the stadium. This 'O' deserves and is earning those boos.

[Shoes]

Pissed away a turn over.

[86WARD]

At least the fans are booing the offense today in the stadium. This 'O' deserves and is earning those boos.

And then some…

[Edman]

But how do you know what the route was? Regardless, O-Line has been garbage.

You're correct. The Offensive Line is horrible. Let's chalk up today to the O-Line.

[Shoes]

I sure hope Ben doesn't try and play if his arm is hurt.

[86WARD]

Lol. Some stellar defense there.

[Edman]

And sloppy Keith Butler tackling strikes again.

7-0 Bungals.

[stillers4me]

Why can't we ever tackle?

[pczach]

Ingram.....What was that?

[that1guy]

Ben has 8 yards passing, hasn't looked like an NFL QB since mid season 2020, Ben deserves a good share of the blame

[Shoes]

I hope theses guys understand that they are getting paid to play football. :lol:

[Edman]

In a 7-0 hole early.

Seems insurmountable.

[EzraTank]

4-13 season coming.

[Shoes]

Ben has 8 yards passing, hasn't looked like an NFL QB since mid season 2020, Ben deserves a good share of the blame


I don't know what game you are watching. Blame for what?

[86WARD]

4-13 season coming.

Generous in the win column…

[EzraTank]

Generous in the win column…

If that is what it takes to replace Ben I'll take one bad season.

[that1guy]

I don't know what game you are watching. Blame for what?

The same game you are watching. The offensive line sucks, granted but Ben is no better.

[stillers4me]

Ben has 8 yards passing, hasn't looked like an NFL QB since mid season 2020, Ben deserves a good share of the blameWhat's he supposed to do behind a high school O line?

[Edman]

I don't know what game you are watching. Blame for what?

Double-clutching on throws. Indecisive. Poor throws. Limited.

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The Offensive Line did that poor throw.

[86WARD]

No Pocket + QB that traditionally holds ball long = Many L’s.

[86WARD]

Double-clutching on throws. Indecisive. Poor throws. Limited.

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The Offensive Line did that poor throw.

But when he double clutches and completes a pass he’s one of the greatest “pump fakes” in the history of the NFL?

[Shoes]

The same game you are watching. The offensive line sucks, granted but Ben is no better.

He threw one long one and if Washington would have made a bit of effort it would have been a huge gain. The oline and WR have polished their penalties count and dropped balls. Ben isn't calling the shitty plays.

[Edman]

Defenses will continue to play downhill and attack the Line and stack the box until the QB shows he can beat them and make them back off. The Bengals do not fear Ben.

[NCSteeler]

How is it that Steelers WRs are never open? Are they just not as good as advertised or is it scheme, or is it the QB. I honestly don't know, but when you watch other teams they have WRs running open or loose coverage

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[86WARD]

There’s a lot of routes that get run and just stop of hook. Am I missing the routes that are run to get other guys open? I see the Bengals doing it. Maybe Ben designed bad plays?

[that1guy]

He threw one long one and if Washington would have made a bit of effort it would have been a huge gain. The oline and WR have polished their penalties count and dropped balls. Ben isn't calling the shitty plays.

Its about physical ability that limits playcalls. The Steelers offensive coaches are professionals, they call what Ben is capable of accomplishing

[NCSteeler]

Defenses will continue to play downhill and attack the Line and stack the box until the QB shows he can beat them and make them back off. The Bengals do not fear Ben.Bengals do not fear one WR on this roster why is that?

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[86WARD]

How is it that Steelers WRs are never open? Are they just not as good as advertised or is it scheme, or is it the QB. I honestly don't know, but when you watch other teams they have WRs running open or loose coverage

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Asked the same question earlier in the thread.

[EzraTank]

What's wrong with this blocking?

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[Shoes]

Double-clutching on throws. Indecisive. Poor throws. Limited.

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The Offensive Line did that poor throw.

Indecisive? the WR's aren't open. :lol:

[pczach]

I don't know what game you are watching. Blame for what?


Any QB that continually has 2nd and 13....2nd and 17.....3rd and 28.....isn't going get a lot done.

Abysmal

[86WARD]

Defenses will continue to play downhill and attack the Line and stack the box until the QB shows he can beat them and make them back off. The Bengals do not fear Ben.

I mean that’s more of the WR beating the guy in front of him. If he can’t do it, the QB can’t overthrow them…

[Mach1]

It's almost impossible for any player to overcome an inferior game plan or coaching.

[pczach]

Nothing there again, but Ben made it himself.

[Shoes]

Its about physical ability that limits playcalls. The Steelers offensive coaches are professionals, they call what Ben is capable of accomplishing

Then why haven't the pro coaches been getting the ball to Muth for the past 2 weeks?

[pczach]

Then why haven't the pro coaches been getting the ball to Muth for the past 2 weeks?


It's a mystery to me.

[Edman]

The Bengals are lining up 8-9 people within five yards and leaving 1-2 guys in coverage.

They do. Not. Care.

[86WARD]

It’s all routes that put the players back to the endzone.

[Steeler-in-west]

Rudolph in the 2nd half ??

[Edman]

The Bengals Defense is stacking the line, stacking the box, sending blitzes every play.

Why is the Offensive Line looks like dogshit? Why is it that every Defense looks like they have more guys?

They don't fear the Quarterback.

[stillers4me]

Rudolph in the 2nd half ??How will that improve the O line?

[Rotorhead]

So, was there a game plan at all? Nobody is on the same page at this point, and the OL penalties are killing any little bit of offense we get . . .

[pczach]

The Bengals are lining up 8-9 people within five yards and leaving 1-2 guys in coverage.

They do. Not. Care.



And somehow none of the players were looking for the ball on an obvious all-out blitz with hot read throws. WR's need to read blitz and be ready for the ball. It's pretty fucking sad and a reflection on some bad coaching right now.

[86WARD]

That play was designed horribly. Three guys matched straight up and then the LBs drop out so now you have 6 on 3. Lol.

[Shoes]

Rudolph in the 2nd half ??

If Ben is having arm issues , yes! But its the same oline.

[pczach]

Look, Big Ben didn't make the tackle on that long run!

[dislocatedday]

So far today, it is a complete failure across the offense. The Oline is bad, the WRs look clueless, and Ben still looks weak. Sigh..............if things do not improve quickly this team is headed for the basement of the AFC North, no matter how great the defense plays the rest of the season.

[Mach1]

The Bengals are lining up 8-9 people within five yards and leaving 1-2 guys in coverage.

They do. Not. Care.

Why should they? Nobody is blocking them.

[that1guy]

Then why haven't the pro coaches been getting the ball to Muth for the past 2 weeks?

You'd imagine after the success they had with Muth in the preseason they'd go back to it but who knows what the issue is. My point is the Offensive line is awful and Ben isn't playing like he is either healthy or physically capable.

[86WARD]

Rudolph in the 2nd half ??

Wouldn’t make a difference.

[Polamalu Princess]

Get it together!!!

[hwalker84]

I'm on vacation. How bad does it look guys?

[Steeler-in-west]

How will that improve the O line?

what else are we going to do if Ben can’t complete a pass more than 2 yards?

[EzraTank]

Wouldn’t make a difference.

Exactly. This OL stinks.

[Shoes]

You'd imagine after the success they had with Muth in the preseason they'd go back to it but who knows what the issue is. My point is the Offensive line is awful and Ben isn't playing like he is either healthy or physically capable.

I agree

[86WARD]

By the time the offense is good, the defense will be past its prime. Best you could hope for at the point is 1994 or 1997 type teams.

[Shoes]

Good play by Joe S

[EzraTank]

Our rookie punter is going to be so tired after this season.

[Edman]

You're only down 7-0.

The Offense is on the backfoot. They cannot panic and start reverting to chucking up prayers. They have to dial it back in.

Come on Offense.

[steelcityboyz]

Wouldn’t make a difference.Bold statement. I'm willing to experiment we're going to lose this game anyway.

[EzraTank]

By the time the offense is good, the defense will be past its prime. Best you could hope for at the point is 1994 or 1997 type teams.

Unless they can trade for Rodgers and build and OL, I agree.

[Shoes]

Come on Washington, you wanted a trade, lets see what you got. :lol:

[Rotorhead]

Something needs to go positively on offense at some point

[Rotorhead]

Maybe try a rush around the edge?

[dislocatedday]

Wouldn’t make a difference.

It probably would not make a difference, but the team needs to change something quickly, and the easiest change to make at this point is at the QB spot. Maybe the team will focus a little harder with the backup QB in there. I am just ready to see something different than this putrid display.

[Shoes]

I feel bad for Harris, but that was a good play

[86WARD]

Nice job by Najee.

[steelcityboyz]

FINALLY!!

[86WARD]

Muuuuuuuuth.

[Edman]

Pat Frieiermuth makes his first catch...for 3 yards.

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It's not the Offensive Line.

[Shoes]

amazing muth

[steelcityboyz]

The Oline looked ok there???

[86WARD]

Come on Ben. Just throw it away. Again…receivers not open.

[pczach]

Ben should have thrown it away there....but nobody open.

[86WARD]

Good job JuJu.

[EzraTank]

Pure stupid Ben. You're outside the tackles just fucking throw it out of bounds.

[Shoes]

Juju

[dislocatedday]

That sack makes me think Ben needs to get pulled. After that much time, if no one is open then throw the ball away.

[86WARD]

There’s a nice run by Najee…again…flag on the line for holding. Lol.

It’s like the signed Kemoeatu back.

[NCSteeler]

Finally a wr open and then a awesome hold on the good run

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[86WARD]

Great 20 yard run to make up the penalty by Harris.

[pczach]

That's how you run block.

[Edman]

Najee has to make something has to make something happen by himself.

[NCSteeler]

This line needs some me serious work

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[86WARD]

I mean is it possible that Ben doesn’t have confidence in some of the receivers?

[pczach]

Najee has to make something has to make something happen by himself.



No. There was a serious hole to run through that time.

[Shoes]

I mean is it possible that Ben doesn’t have confidence in some of the receivers?

very possible

[pczach]

They have been running a quick passing game, but Johnson is the only WR they have with the quickness to get instant separation. He's not playing today.

[Shoes]

Steelers will have to do some wr shopping in next years draft

[Polamalu Princess]

Let's go O!!!

[Rotorhead]

Need points on this drive, good momentum shift

[Steeler-in-west]

At least the d is getting rest, Just get a score here

[EzraTank]

Steelers will have to do some wr shopping in next years draft

Why? Ours are fine we just need a new (younger) QB that can make throws and most importantly an OL that can block for more than 2.2 seconds.

[86WARD]

Good play. Cleared everyone out and released Harris to the open spot.

[pczach]

Steelers will have to do some wr shopping in next years draft




They have some good receivers, but the offense they are using them in doesn't play to their strengths.

[Shoes]

nice run Harris

[pczach]

Good play. Cleared everyone out and released Harris to the open spot.



I mentioned doing exactly that in a thread on the main board. Designing a play like that. Packers did it last week.

[Edman]

The Offense is gaining a little confidence.

We have a Steelers Offense Touchdown.

[Polamalu Princess]

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[86WARD]

I’d be willing to bet that if a declining AB were back, this offense would be at the top of the league even with the shitty line and a bum Roethlisberger arm.

[Shoes]

muth time

[stillers4me]

Unleash the Muuuuth!!!!

[pczach]

MUTHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[Rotorhead]

MMUUUUUTTTHHHH!!!

[Shoes]

yep, still can't understand why we drafted a TE in r2? :chuckle:

[86WARD]

I mentioned doing exactly that in a thread on the main board. Designing a play like that. Packers did it last week.

Maybe Canada read it.

[dislocatedday]

I think the two rookies, Najee and Freiermuth, may be the Steelers best players on offense currently.

[EzraTank]

See we have the young weapons we just need an OL and younger QB.

[Edman]

Ben is now 1 TD away from 400.

[Mojouw]

It is almost like when they run Canada's stuff -- it looks like a functional offense.

[Shoes]

Why? Ours are fine we just need a new (younger) QB that can make throws and most importantly an OL that can block for more than 2.2 seconds.

Because Johnson still doesn't know his playbook and still gives up on routes. That doesn't seem like that is going to be fixed. Washington doesn't have it. I'm sure they draft a WR in the next draft

[pczach]

Maybe Canada read it.


I highly doubt it!!!

[86WARD]

Now the defense getting into the penalty game. That’s a bullshit call.

[pczach]

Bullshit penalty

[Steeler-in-west]

I’d be willing to bet that if a declining AB were back, this offense would be at the top of the league even with the shitty line and a bum Roethlisberger arm.

at this point I’d trade for him if the price is right

[86WARD]

Receivers run wide open against the Steelers…who have a good defense. Steelers receivers…they don’t.

[Edman]

It is almost like when they run Canada's stuff -- it looks like a functional offense.

Defense was forced to make adjustments and started backing off the line. Running room opened up and the O-Line gained confidence.

[steelcityboyz]

14-7 bungles halftime

[EzraTank]

LOL.

[steelcityboyz]

Nice pass by Burrows im jealous

[stillers4me]

No. The refs scored 7.

[Edman]

Pierre burned.

That's what an NFL Quarterback and offense looks like. 14-7 Bungals.

[86WARD]

Lol. Chase makes a great catch past Pierre to put the Bengals up 14-7 on an overthrown pass.

[EzraTank]

I cannot wait until we get a young arm again. I remember Ben throwing like that 5 years ago.

[steelcityboyz]

I cannot wait until we get a young arm again. I remember Ben throwing like that 5 years ago.we have a couple young arms warming the bench lol

[NCSteeler]

Fuck the refs , that's a serious ref TD

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[stillers4me]

I cannot wait until we get a young arm again. I remember Ben throwing like that 5 years ago.For the love of God. Give it a rest. If keep repeating yourself, do you think a hot shot younger quarterback is going to magically appear in the second half? We get it.

Mason Rudolph ain't that guy.

[that1guy]

I cannot wait until we get a young arm again. I remember Ben throwing like that 5 years ago.

This was painfully predictable and now we're watching it

[EzraTank]

Do we kneel, or will Ben make it 21-7?

[NCSteeler]

So pitt 7 cicni 7 refs 7

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[86WARD]

Not one receiver open.

[EzraTank]

So if that was a roughing the passer how is that not a call on the Claypool hit?

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Throw the f'n ball deep.

[that1guy]

So pitt 7 cicni 7 refs 7

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C'mon, give Burrow some credit, that was a great throw

[NCSteeler]

C'mon, give Burrow some credit, that was a great throwOn a play he should never have got a chance to play

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[86WARD]

C'mon, give Burrow some credit, that was a great throw

It was actually overthrown a tad and Chase sped up to make the catch with a little help from a push off as well. Still a great play.

[Mojouw]

From what we can see on TV...these guys are NFL open.

[EzraTank]

Oh well here comes the rebuild ... which already started. We have our young RB and TE, now we just need the QB and fill the holes in the OL.

[steelcityboyz]

On a play he should never have got a chance to play

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[Devilsdancefloor]

Well hopefully someone adjust at half time for sure. The offense can’t keep laying a egg they just seem very desperate at these point. At this point pass to open up the run. But these 3 yard passes aren’t going to get it done.

[86WARD]

From what we can see on TV...these guys are NFL open.

Not the Steelers. Lol. If they are NFL open, the Bengals receivers are pop-Warner open.

[pczach]

C'mon, give Burrow some credit, that was a great throw



It was a great throw and catch, but it may have never happened if they didn't call the ridiculous personal foul penalty to give then a new set of downs and field position.

You can't see that?

[NCSteeler]

From what we can see on TV...these guys are NFL open.Compared to other games your watching?

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[stillers4me]

C'mon, give Burrow some credit, that was a great throwThat should never have happened if the refs were competent. Don't be ThatGuy

[pczach]

From what we can see on TV...these guys are NFL open.




You must have a super wide screen TV because I can't see routes down the field on my TV.

[Edman]

So far it's as terrible as many expected.

The Offensive Line is tripping over themselves, and even when they give Ben time, he's way too tentative and indecisive to make something happen.

The Steelers, by desperately clinging to the past instead of doing what needed to be done are way behind in the AFC North, and the Ravens, Bengals, and Browns far ahead of them. It's the 1980's all over again.

[Rotorhead]

It is almost like when they run Canada's stuff -- it looks like a functional offense.

Um, I am pretty sure the opposite happened on that TD drive, no huddle, Ben running the offense. Canada’s offense so far looks just like last years offense with screen passes and short routes into the heart of the defense.

[Mojouw]

Not the Steelers. Lol. If they are NFL open, the Bengals receivers are pop-Warner open.

We can not see the deep routes that are causing the pump fakes, but what we can see on TV on the shorter stuff, guys have a small window to throw the ball into that only they can get it. That is what constitutes open in the NFL.

And yes, the Bengals highly drafted skill players are beating the Steelers UDFA defenders.

[Rotorhead]

You must have a super wide screen TV because I can't see routes down the field on my TV.

Right? They are not showing the WRs routes

[EzraTank]

Remember when we had Haley and Ben hated him but we still moved the ball?

[Mojouw]

Um, I am pretty sure the opposite happened on that TD drive, no huddle, Ben running the offense. Canada’s offense so far looks just like last years offense with screen passes and short routes into the heart of the defense.

TE and FB screens are supposed to be a staple of what Canada does. I don't know. i don't watch much college ball.

[that1guy]

It was a great throw and catch, but it may have never happened if they didn't call the ridiculous personal foul penalty to give then a new set of downs and field position.

You can't see that?

I see Burrow throwing a TD, the penalty is awful but it's the way the refs ate calling it

[Mojouw]

You must have a super wide screen TV because I can't see routes down the field on my TV.

Clearly, as I said, we can't tell on the deeper shots...but the underneath stuff there are guys that are NFL open. Why should we assume there are not on the longer plays?

Plus film reviews from last week showed there were open WRs on deeper plays that Ben did not throw to. We saw this last season as well.

[Edman]

Remember when we had Haley and Ben hated him but we still moved the ball?

I remember when we had an amazing wide receiver, but they were labelled "cancers" and chased out of town.

It's okay, we still have #7...

[Rotorhead]

I remember when we had an amazing wide receiver, but they were labelled "cancers" and chased out of town.

It's okay, we still have #7...

Maybe you forgot the almost 2 years the “cancer” didn’t play football due to legal issues, a lot of good that would have done the last 2 years . . .

[pczach]

Clearly, as I said, we can't tell on the deeper shots...but the underneath stuff there are guys that are NFL open. Why should we assume there are not on the longer plays?

Plus film reviews from last week showed there were open WRs on deeper plays that Ben did not throw to. We saw this last season as well.



I have no idea if guys are open because I can't see it. I know the announcer that was a former NFL player is saying that nobody is open.

[Mojouw]

I am seeing a lot of excuse making on this thread today.

But I am just watching the highlights from other games now. And all these "open" throws everyone is lamenting that the Steelers don't have - all have a few things in common.

They take place in the middle of the field. They are going to receivers operating between defenders either high/low or boundary/hash. The passes are arriving with zip on a flat trajectory and hitting a moving target in the hands leading away from defenders to open grass. Also, these plays are almost universally taking place in the middle the of the field. You know that area that the Steelers offense refuses to tread.

Now think back to what you have seen the past 6+ quarters. That simply does not happen in the Steelers offense. Passes are in the flats, shallow crosses, or go balls along the boundary. Passes often arrive with air under them and to a poor body placement. Moving targets are hit behind them or leading them out of bounds.

It just looks different. Some say scheme. Some say WRs. I say it is the dude pulling the trigger.

[stillers4me]

I remember when we had an amazing wide receiver, but they were labelled "cancers" and chased out of town.

It's okay, we still have #7...Chased out of town. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

[86WARD]

We can not see the deep routes that are causing the pump fakes, but what we can see on TV on the shorter stuff, guys have a small window to throw the ball into that only they can get it. That is what constitutes open in the NFL.

And yes, the Bengals highly drafted skill players are beating the Steelers UDFA defenders.

No. They are NFL covered. There’s no window there and the times there are and Ben throws it in, it’s dropped. Hence the reason he’s hesitant to throw the ball. I mean it’s common in human nature.

Doesn’t make a difference if the player is drafted or undrafted. If you watch, it’s been happening for quite sometime. Far before Pierre was even signed.

[Edman]

Well hopefully someone adjust at half time for sure. The offense can’t keep laying a egg they just seem very desperate at these point. At this point pass to open up the run. But these 3 yard passes aren’t going to get it done.

Then you better get a quarterback who can. That's all we are capable of doing as long as Ben is under center. Your offensive scheme is only as good as QB is capable of running it.

We don't have QB capable of doing that.

[Mojouw]

I have no idea if guys are open because I can't see it. I know the announcer that was a former NFL player is saying that nobody is open.

OK. So the passes we can see, guys are open enough for the NFL. Now because the play is deeper, they suddenly aren't open? I find that hard to believe.

[86WARD]

Clearly, as I said, we can't tell on the deeper shots...but the underneath stuff there are guys that are NFL open. Why should we assume there are not on the longer plays?

Plus film reviews from last week showed there were open WRs on deeper plays that Ben did not throw to. We saw this last season as well.

The announcers, who can see, are saying they aren’t open.

[86WARD]

I am seeing a lot of excuse making on this thread today.

But I am just watching the highlights from other games now. And all these "open" throws everyone is lamenting that the Steelers don't have - all have a few things in common.

They take place in the middle of the field. They are going to receivers operating between defenders either high/low or boundary/hash. The passes are arriving with zip on a flat trajectory and hitting a moving target in the hands leading away from defenders to open grass. Also, these plays are almost universally taking place in the middle the of the field. You know that area that the Steelers offense refuses to tread.

Now think back to what you have seen the past 6+ quarters. That simply does not happen in the Steelers offense. Passes are in the flats, shallow crosses, or go balls along the boundary. Passes often arrive with air under them and to a poor body placement. Moving targets are hit behind them or leading them out of bounds.

It just looks different. Some say scheme. Some say WRs. I say it is the dude pulling the trigger.

Excuses or just common observations?

[pczach]

I remember when we had an amazing wide receiver, but they were labelled "cancers" and chased out of town.

It's okay, we still have #7...



Dude, I understand some criticism of Ben, but then you say something like that.....

How is THAT guy the answer to anything when he has barely been on the field for a few years, and a guy that has legal issues and lawsuits against him and some obvious psychological issues?

Antonio Brown is somehow an indictment of Ben?

[Mojouw]

No. They are NFL covered. There’s no window there and the times there are and Ben throws it in, it’s dropped. Hence the reason he’s hesitant to throw the ball. I mean it’s common in human nature.

Doesn’t make a difference if the player is drafted or undrafted. If you watch, it’s been happening for quite sometime. Far before Pierre was even signed.

There was a short slant in the first half when they were backed into their own end. Claypool dropped it. It was thrown to his back shoulder on an in breaking slant. The pass was there. It would have been a short useless gain, but Claypool had position, a small step on the defender and Ben put it away from him.

But, yeah, on the deeper passes, sure...it is different.

[Devilsdancefloor]

We’re is the run defense ��

[EzraTank]

LOL how many guys had Mixon and couldn't wrap up.

[Rotorhead]

Well, this is about to get ugly, 3 plays, 3 1st downs, if the defense shits the bed we have zero chance

[Mach1]

There was a short slant in the first half when they were backed into their own end. Claypool dropped it. It was thrown to his back shoulder on an in breaking slant. The pass was there. It would have been a short useless gain, but Claypool had position, a small step on the defender and Ben put it away from him.

But, yeah, on the deeper passes, sure...it is different.

Good thing your here to tell us whats really happening and the announcers don't know shit.

[Mojouw]

Excuses or just common observations?

Excuses. The scheme isn't failing. The QB is UNABLE or UNWILLING to make 60+% of the throws that make any NFL offense run.

When you can only call a partial playbook against an NFL defense, this is what it looks like. There is no scheme or personel packlage that fixes it.

[86WARD]

There was a short slant in the first half when they were backed into their own end. Claypool dropped it. It was thrown to his back shoulder on an in breaking slant. The pass was there. It would have been a short useless gain, but Claypool had position, a small step on the defender and Ben put it away from him.

But, yeah, on the deeper passes, sure...it is different.

The ball went through Claypools hands. As an NFL receiver, that should’ve been caught. He’s made tougher catches in his shirt career.

[Edman]

Dude, I understand some criticism of Ben, but then you say something like that.....

How is THAT guy the answer to anything when he has barely been on the field for a few years, and a guy that has legal issues and lawsuits against him and some obvious psychological issues?

Antonio Brown is somehow an indictment of Ben?

No...I don't know where you got that from.

[86WARD]

Good tackle by Tuszka

[Shoes]

D looks stellar :chuckle:

[pczach]

No...I don't know where you got that from.



It sounded like you inferred that they should have kept AB and jettisoned Ben.

[Devilsdancefloor]

This Is painful

[86WARD]

That’s how you design a shallow cross play.

[Mojouw]

The ball went through Claypools hands. As an NFL receiver, that should’ve been caught. He’s made tougher catches in his shirt career.

Doesn't change that the ball was a half-yard or so behind him as he was running in the opposite direction.

If the QB is missing small on short quick passes...why would he be more accurate and precise on longer deeper passing plays?

[steelcityboyz]

You inferred that they should have kept AB and jettisoned Ben.remember how good AB was when Ben was hurt I think he had 1-2 catches per game.

[86WARD]

Doesn't change that the ball was a half-yard or so behind him as he was running in the opposite direction.

If the QB is missing small on short quick passes...why would he be more accurate and precise on longer deeper passing plays?

Can you show me where I said he was accurate or would be accurate on deeper passes? Not sure what argument you are attempting to make.

[Edman]

Why is that the Steelers Defense is only rushing four, while for the most part the Bengals Defense for the most part is stacking 8-9 guys in the box and playing downhill?

The Steelers respect Burrow because he can burn them.

The Bengals Defense has no respect for Ben Roethlisberger and KNOW he can't beat them.

[Steeler-in-west]

No sacks and no qb hits - we are missing our pass rush, first Carr now Burrow have all day to throw

have to start blitzing

[Edman]

No sacks and no qb hits - we are missing our pass rush, first Carr now Burrow have all day to throw

We did hit Burrow. It was a penalty.

[Mojouw]

Can you show me where I said he was accurate or would be accurate on deeper passes? Not sure what argument you are attempting to make.

There is a version that the longer passes are not happening because the WRs are failing to get open.

Based on what I can see in the short passing game, there is a TON going wrong that has nothing to do with the WRs being open or not. I assume the exact same is happening in the deep game.

And because the QB knows he is no longer accurate and precise, he will NOT throw in between the hashes or into small windows. Therefore, he pumps and pulls it down while waiting to only take moonball shots along the sideline that minimize the chance of an INT. Additionally, this lack of faith in throwing ability and desire to avoid INTS at all costs has totally removed the intermediate passing game as well.

This creates a passing attack with like 4 routes in it. That is why it looks so bad. The end.

[stillers4me]

Why is that the Steelers Defense is only rushing four, while for the most part the Bengals Defense for the most part is stacking 8-9 guys in the box and playing downhill?

The Steelers respect Burrow because he can burn them.

The Bengals Defense has no respect for Ben Roethlisberger and KNOW he can't beat them.So it's Ben's fault Burrow is dissecting our defense. [emoji1787]

[pczach]

What the fuck was that Ben?

[Edman]

And to think.

This is THE BEST we have at quarterback.

[steelcityboyz]

That damn offensive line!It's not bens fault he threw that pic

[Shoes]

That was bad, real bad.

[Edman]

It's about to get ugly.

[stillers4me]

And to think.

This is THE BEST we have at quarterback.For once, you are absolutely right.

[pczach]

I'm not sure I'd be calling QB draws with my young QB coming off knee surgery.

[Rotorhead]

Keystone cops look on defense, may as well put in a different QB, not that they could play any worse at this point.

[pczach]

Nobody near the QB again.

[Mojouw]

If the FIRST guy didn't pick it off, the SECOND guy sure would have!