Steelers trade for Jaguars LB Joe Schobert

[BlackAndGold]

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[BlackAndGold]

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[SteeleReign]

With the way this game has started, seems we should have traded for an o-lineman.

I guess they're not sold on Spillane? Or are there concerns with Bush's knee?

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[st33lersguy]

Did avery Williamson not want to re-sign the team? Because otherwise they could have gotten the same quality at a cheaper price without giving up any draft capital

[hawaiiansteeler]

Did avery Williamson not want to re-sign the team? Because otherwise they could have gotten the same quality at a cheaper price without giving up any draft capital

Schobert is WAY better in coverage.

[Fire Goodell]

superbowl!

[RunNGun]

I assume James Washington is involved in this trade?

[Fire Goodell]

I assume James Washington is involved in this trade?

hopefully a brain transplant for devin bush was part of the deal :chuckle:

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Joe Schobert, the winged god of linebacker coverage

[st33lersguy]

Are they gonna release the terms of the deal anytime soon or are we just gonna act like that's not that important?

[RunNGun]

Washington isn't playing tonight so it's almost a given that he's involved.

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIkcdm531lQ

[hawaiiansteeler]

Schobert will make $7 million this season, according to Spotrac.com. But even if his contract says he has three years and 29.75 million remaining for 2022-24, the Steelers could get out of it next offseason by releasing Schobert without having to account for any “dead” cap money.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-reportedly-trade-for-former-jaguars-browns-ilb-joe-schobert/

[HollywoodSteel]

Schobert will make $7 million this season, according to Spotrac.com. But even if his contract says he has three years and 29.75 million remaining for 2022-24, the Steelers could get out of it next offseason by releasing Schobert without having to account for any “dead” cap money.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-reportedly-trade-for-former-jaguars-browns-ilb-joe-schobert/

That seems like kind of a lot unless there’re thinking he challenges Spillane for a starting job.

We could have gotten Steven Nelson back for about half that.

[Mojouw]

Typical Badgers LB under the current staff. Tough as nails. Fundamentally sound. Not flashy athlete. Finds a way to make plays.

Watt
Loudermilk
Schoebert

Steelers like Wisco defenders.

[Mojouw]

I should also mention that at UW his motor was always firewalled. Goes flat out every snap. Effort will NEVER be an issue.

[Mojouw]

That seems like kind of a lot unless there’re thinking he challenges Spillane for a starting job.

We could have gotten Steven Nelson back for about half that.

If he doesn't beat out Spillane, Ill be shocked. He should be installed as the starter next to Bush within a week.

[HollywoodSteel]

If he doesn't beat out Spillane, Ill be shocked. He should be installed as the starter next to Bush within a week.

Do you think they’ll rotate the two? Schobert is clearly better in coverage but he played in a 4-3 defense in Jacksonville. Now that Jacksonville is switching to a 3-4 they got rid of him. Not sure if it’s because of any deficiencies they saw in camp.

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DszCgyTFfFY

[86WARD]

Did avery Williamson not want to re-sign the team? Because otherwise they could have gotten the same quality at a cheaper price without giving up any draft capital

Schoebert is better.

[86WARD]

James Washington could be the compensation. He did not play last night…

[teegre]

If I recall, Schobert had a good game against us in the playoffs in 2017…

[tube517]

If I recall, Schobert had a good game against us in the playoffs in 2017…


The Myles Garrett helmet crushing Mason Rudolph game.

Schobert was all over the place in that game. Tomlin must have remembered that

[Mojouw]

Do you think they’ll rotate the two? Schobert is clearly better in coverage but he played in a 4-3 defense in Jacksonville. Now that Jacksonville is switching to a 3-4 they got rid of him. Not sure if it’s because of any deficiencies they saw in camp.

I wouldn't. Schoebert is just flat out better than Spillane.

[teegre]

The Myles Garrett helmet crushing Mason Rudolph game.

Schobert was all over the place in that game. Tomlin must have remembered that

Yes, thank you. :nod: I knew there was a game against us where his name was called repeatedly.

[Bluecoat96]

James Washington could be the compensation. He did not play last night…Maybe, but I thought he got dinged up a little in practice this week.

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[dislocatedday]

They are not bringing Schoebert in to sit behind Spillane, especially with his salary of $7M. Schoebert is a much better player, and will be starting next to Bush on opening day.

[tube517]

James Washington could be the compensation. He did not play last night…

Washington was out w/knee injury

[86WARD]

Washington was out w/knee injury

[emoji106]

Didn’t realize he was dinged up.

[DesertSteel]

Is he really a $10M a year kind of player???

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If I recall, Schobert had a good game against us in the playoffs in 2017…
Not unless Cleveland made the playoffs in 2017 at 0-16.

[EzraTank]

I like this:


Schobert made four starts as a rookie before breaking the Browns (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/CLE/cleveland-browns/)' starting lineup in 2017, his second season. He received his first Pro Bowl nod that season after leading the NFL with 144 tackles.

Now just sign Steven Nelsen back so Sutton can go to slot CB.

Oh and unless our offensive line improves our defense is going to be gassed by halftime anyhow.

[Bluecoat96]

I like this:



Now just sign Steven Nelsen back so Sutton can go to slot CB.

Oh and unless our offensive line improves our defense is going to be gassed by halftime anyhow.Steven Nelson is with the Eagles

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[DesertSteel]

He was 4th in the NFL in tackles last year with 141.

[teegre]

Not unless Cleveland made the playoffs in 2017 at 0-16.

Yep :nod: tube explained my mistake to me.

[86WARD]

I like this:



Now just sign Steven Nelsen back so Sutton can go to slot CB.

Oh and unless our offensive line improves our defense is going to be gassed by halftime anyhow.

Nelson signed with Philadelphia.

[Fire Goodell]

Schobert has a good # of interceptions for an ILB, he's Taunto Joe, winged god of linebacker coverage.

With that we finally have a real steelers defense.
Taunto Joe
HighDong DongSmith
Fat Tyson

[SteelMember]

Nothing "official", but reports are "late round draft compensation" ~Rapoport... whatever that ends up being. Sounds good to me.

[Mojouw]

Nothing "official", but reports are "late round draft compensation" ~Rapoport... whatever that ends up being. Sounds good to me.

And it is speculated that Jags are picking up part of the check as well.

[SteelMember]

Our LB coverage needs to get better... it's been exploited to the nth degree for the past few years.
While Spillane has been good in run support, he's a liability in coverage... As were many before him.

[tube517]

Nothing "official", but reports are "late round draft compensation" ~Rapoport... whatever that ends up being. Sounds good to me.But we will lose our future 3rd string TE!

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[teegre]

Our LB coverage needs to get better... it's been exploited to the nth degree for the past few years.
While Spillane has been good in run support, he's a liability in coverage... As were many before him.

^^THIS^^

[hawaiiansteeler]

Nothing "official", but reports are "late round draft compensation" ~Rapoport... whatever that ends up being. Sounds good to me.

The Steelers have agreed to a trade with the Jaguars for linebacker Joe Schobert, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported. Pittsburgh will send a 2022 sixth-round draft pick to Jacksonville for the veteran, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

https://www.nfl.com/news/steelers-trading-jaguars-for-lb-joe-schobert

[Fire Goodell]

The Steelers have agreed to a trade with the Jaguars for linebacker Joe Schobert, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported. Pittsburgh will send a 2022 sixth-round draft pick to Jacksonville for the veteran, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

https://www.nfl.com/news/steelers-trading-jaguars-for-lb-joe-schobert

if this isn't a scobee screw job this was basically getting something for nothing

[st33lersguy]

6th round pick is a good price

[86WARD]

6th round pick is a good price

That’s not even guaranteed could be a 7th.

[Mojouw]

Steelers have now traded their 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks in 2022. However, most project them to get a comp 3rd and comp 6th. So...meh?

[hawaiiansteeler]

Alex Kozora
@Alex_Kozora

Robert Spillane when targeted through two preseason games.

4/5, 48 yards, 4 first downs.

Steelers trading for Joe Schobert to start next to Devin Bush. #Steelers

https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora/status/1426267635700969476?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1426267635700969476%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[teegre]

Schobert has led ILBs in INTS over the past two seasons.

[Fire Goodell]

Schobert has led ILBs in INTS over the past two seasons.

But were they dong INT's? (pass deflected by the OL, QB getting pressured, In zone coverage and the pass went straight to him, in coverage against a TE or RB who wasn't a pro bowl selection, happened against sam darnold or jameis winston)

[Shoes]

Great addition! Hopefully it will bring some stability to Twitter-cat-Bush

[Born2Steel]

Schobert and Buddy will make a great tandem. :decision:

[86WARD]

They officially announced that it is the sixth round pick.

[86WARD]

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[Bluecoat96]

Living in the heart of Browns country, I can't wait to hear all the Browns fans that were lamenting the loss of Schobert a year ago suddenly change tune and talk about how much he sucks now since he's a Steeler.

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[tube517]

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1426296758850699264 :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

And the Jags are paying half his 2021 salary? How did Colbert pull this off and how much of a control freak must Urban Meyer be if he is shipping everyone from the previous regime out the door at cut rates?

[Bluecoat96]

And the Jags are paying half his 2021 salary? How did Colbert pull this off and how much of a control freak must Urban Meyer be if he is shipping everyone from the previous regime out the door at cut rates?Colbert is the man, although I admit that it makes me a little uneasy we got a quality player at such a bargain price.

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[tube517]

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[fansince'76]

...how much of a control freak must Urban Meyer be if he is shipping everyone from the previous regime out the door at cut rates?

Speaking of which, remember the idiot who wanted Rooney to replace Tomlin with Meyer (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/31221-Tomlin-traded-to-Washington-fantasy-mock-draft?p=721626&viewfull=1#post721626)? :rolleyes:

[Lamberts_Lunatic]

"dong INT's"......lmao. props.

[Mojouw]

Speaking of which, remember the idiot who wanted Rooney to replace Tomlin with Meyer (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/31221-Tomlin-traded-to-Washington-fantasy-mock-draft?p=721626&viewfull=1#post721626)? :rolleyes:

Yup. That was fun. Meyer will have a decent to good 2-3 year run in Jacksonville because they have a ton of young talent. Then he will burn them out on his nonsense. Just like Harbaugh in San Fran.

[Dwinsgames]

Yup. That was fun. Meyer will have a decent to good 2-3 year run in Jacksonville because they have a ton of young talent. Then he will burn them out on his nonsense. Just like Harbaugh in San Fran.

and he has the inside track on the college game and who is who , giving them another voice in the know in that draft room ...

[pczach]

Colbert continues to be world-class.

[86WARD]

And the Jags are paying half his 2021 salary? How did Colbert pull this off and how much of a control freak must Urban Meyer be if he is shipping everyone from the previous regime out the door at cut rates?

Yes. That was the first thing reported. Jacksonville just wanted to off some salary.

[teegre]

Schobert is turning $2.3 million into signing bonus, which will be deferred to next season (when the Steelers have TONS of cap space). In turn, Schobert will only cost us $1.35 against this year’s cap.

Omar Khan does it again!!!

[Dwinsgames]

Schobert is turning $2.3 million into signing bonus, which will be deferred to next season (when the Steelers have TONS of cap space). In turn, Schobert will only cost us $1.35 against this year’s cap.

Omar Khan does it again!!!

if memory serves the 80 million in cap space had been dwindled down to about 55 million with converting money into bonus's and voidable years on contracts pushing money down the road ...

its clearly a load up for one more shot with Ben

wish they had taken the same approach at corner thus far the secondary hasnt looked so hot

[teegre]

if memory serves the 80 million in cap space had been dwindled down to about 55 million with converting money into bonus's and voidable years on contracts pushing money down the road ...

its clearly a load up for one more shot with Ben

wish they had taken the same approach at corner thus far the secondary hasnt looked so hot

$55 million is about $60 million more than we usually have. :lol:

The thing is, so far, the money that Colbert & Khan have spent is equivalent to DeCastro’s salary. They could easily STILL make another move… and many are saying it’s coming (specifically, CJ Henderson is up for sale).

[Mojouw]

The cap math just keeps getting better and better for 2021: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/8/15/22625880/jaguars-to-pay-half-of-joe-schoberts-2021-salary-leaving-the-steelers-with-a-low-cap-hit-news-update

"After factoring in roster displacement, Schobert only lowers the Steelers current salary cap by $1.03 million"

"Schobert is due a base salary of $8.75 million in 2022, $10.25 million in 2023, and $10.75 million in 2024. "

"In a worst-case scenario where things wouldn’t work out between Schobert and the Steelers after the 2021 season, there is only $1.77 million in dead money should the two part ways"

Even if he sucks...paying Schobert $1 million in cap dollars for 2021? I would roll those dice 10/10 times.

Moving forward...the numbers are big but not totally unmanageable - assuming you no longer are carrying a massive QB contract.

How in the heck did this team spend an entire off-season falling backwards into guys they needed at $$$ they could manage? If you looked at the obvious holes in the Steelers roster right after the end of last season and I told you that they could have Ingram, Turner, and Schobert to fill some of those holes...I don't think anyone would have believed me.

Now...if they could get some safety depth for like a dollar or something...

[Shoes]

The cap math just keeps getting better and better for 2021: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/8/15/22625880/jaguars-to-pay-half-of-joe-schoberts-2021-salary-leaving-the-steelers-with-a-low-cap-hit-news-update

"After factoring in roster displacement, Schobert only lowers the Steelers current salary cap by $1.03 million"

"Schobert is due a base salary of $8.75 million in 2022, $10.25 million in 2023, and $10.75 million in 2024. "

"In a worst-case scenario where things wouldn’t work out between Schobert and the Steelers after the 2021 season, there is only $1.77 million in dead money should the two part ways"

Even if he sucks...paying Schobert $1 million in cap dollars for 2021? I would roll those dice 10/10 times.

Moving forward...the numbers are big but not totally unmanageable - assuming you no longer are carrying a massive QB contract.

How in the heck did this team spend an entire off-season falling backwards into guys they needed at $$$ they could manage? If you looked at the obvious holes in the Steelers roster right after the end of last season and I told you that they could have Ingram, Turner, and Schobert to fill some of those holes...I don't think anyone would have believed me.

Now...if they could get some safety depth for like a dollar or something...


If he stays healthy, I think he will retire as a Steeler and Schobert jerseys will be a hot item for years to come. Great job by the FO and entire coaching staff with the player work and number crunching this year.

[tube517]

The cap math just keeps getting better and better for 2021: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/8/15/22625880/jaguars-to-pay-half-of-joe-schoberts-2021-salary-leaving-the-steelers-with-a-low-cap-hit-news-update

"After factoring in roster displacement, Schobert only lowers the Steelers current salary cap by $1.03 million"

"Schobert is due a base salary of $8.75 million in 2022, $10.25 million in 2023, and $10.75 million in 2024. "

"In a worst-case scenario where things wouldn’t work out between Schobert and the Steelers after the 2021 season, there is only $1.77 million in dead money should the two part ways"

Even if he sucks...paying Schobert $1 million in cap dollars for 2021? I would roll those dice 10/10 times.

Moving forward...the numbers are big but not totally unmanageable - assuming you no longer are carrying a massive QB contract.

How in the heck did this team spend an entire off-season falling backwards into guys they needed at $$$ they could manage? If you looked at the obvious holes in the Steelers roster right after the end of last season and I told you that they could have Ingram, Turner, and Schobert to fill some of those holes...I don't think anyone would have believed me.

Now...if they could get some safety depth for like a dollar or something...

Colbert/Khan will do some voodoo hocus pocus after final cuts. I don't think they are done yet. (just a hunch)

[Mojouw]

Colbert/Khan will do some voodoo hocus pocus after final cuts. I don't think they are done yet. (just a hunch)

Agreed. I think they will try something.

Honestly...if they want to "load up" and try and pass the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, etc. in the AFC in Ben's final ride...another impact defender in the secondary is the shortest path to that goal.

Unfortunately, "another impact defender in the secondary" may be the most in demand thing in the NFL aside from QB.

[tube517]

Agreed. I think they will try something.

Honestly...if they want to "load up" and try and pass the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, etc. in the AFC in Ben's final ride...another impact defender in the secondary is the shortest path to that goal.

Unfortunately, "another impact defender in the secondary" may be the most in demand thing in the NFL aside from QB.

Tuitt just got restructured. Have a feeling something about to go down.

[Mojouw]

Tuitt just got restructured. Have a feeling something about to go down.

Maybe? But don't forget they were already projected to be OVER the cap prior to all this. It is accounting for stuff at different times of the off-season.

I think Tuitt deal gets them back in the black for the regular season...but haven't seen a detailed breakdown yet...

[tube517]

Maybe? But don't forget they were already projected to be OVER the cap prior to all this. It is accounting for stuff at different times of the off-season.

I think Tuitt deal gets them back in the black for the regular season...but haven't seen a detailed breakdown yet...

Unless that's for TJ but I have no clue on the capology. You have a better grasp of that stuff.

[Mojouw]

Unless that's for TJ but I have no clue on the capology. You have a better grasp of that stuff.

I tried my hand at it in the Tuitt thread...but I almost always get it wrong at first and then have to rely on the detailed work of others to understand the correct numbers.

Long story very short...there is far less actual usable cap room than the reports this week are indicating. How much less? That is the key question.

[HollywoodSteel]

I tried my hand at it in the Tuitt thread...but I almost always get it wrong at first and then have to rely on the detailed work of others to understand the correct numbers.

Long story very short...there is far less actual usable cap room than the reports this week are indicating. How much less? That is the key question.

I realize this stuff probably gives you a headache trying to be accurate, but you know more about it than I do so your input is always appreciated.

My question is, how much does 2021 cap space really affect the TJ deal? Isn’t it mostly an extension with a lot of guaranteed money and a fat signing bonus that can be spread out to have minimal impact on the cap this year? Do you think an extension would affect his 2021 base salary all that much?

[Mojouw]

I realize this stuff probably gives you a headache trying to be accurate, but you know more about it than I do so your input is always appreciated.

My question is, how much does 2021 cap space really affect the TJ deal? Isn’t it mostly an extension with a lot of guaranteed money and a fat signing bonus that can be spread out to have minimal impact on the cap this year? Do you think an extension would affect his 2021 base salary all that much?

I think Watt counts about $10.5 million on the 2021 cap. A market rate extension for him is basically $30 million per year.Using the Joey Bosa deal as a benchmark (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/joey-bosa-18951/) it looks like they need about 5-7 million in new money in 2021. In other words, to make the math reasonable over the life of the deal Watt's 2021 cap number has to be about $15-20 million.

So...I figure they need about $5 million of 2021 cap space to do the mega-extension with Watt. WHICH...coincidentally...is about what my back of the envelope math says they have remaining after all the other 2021 projected costs. Shocking...almost like this extension is as a good as done :). Honestly, both the Steelers and Watt know this is going to be the biggest non QB contract ever. My guess is any negotiation is not over the overall $$$ but the terms of when those get paid and who is more protected the team or the player.

[HollywoodSteel]

I think Watt counts about $10.5 million on the 2021 cap. A market rate extension for him is basically $30 million per year.Using the Joey Bosa deal as a benchmark (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/joey-bosa-18951/) it looks like they need about 5-7 million in new money in 2021. In other words, to make the math reasonable over the life of the deal Watt's 2021 cap number has to be about $15-20 million.

So...I figure they need about $5 million of 2021 cap space to do the mega-extension with Watt. WHICH...coincidentally...is about what my back of the envelope math says they have remaining after all the other 2021 projected costs. Shocking...almost like this extension is as a good as done :). Honestly, both the Steelers and Watt know this is going to be the biggest non QB contract ever. My guess is any negotiation is not over the overall $$$ but the terms of when those get paid and who is more protected the team or the player.

Okay, so what I’m getting is that it is in the Steelers’ interest to take at least SOME cap hit in 2021 so that his base salary isn’t too high in other years. From TJ’s perspective, I don’t see why he’d care if it’s base salary or roster bonus or whatever the hell they want to call it for cap reasons, so long as the dollars are right.

I know the Steelers can be weird about the way they allocate guaranteed money in any contract that isn’t for a QB (which I believe was one of the impasses in the Bell negotiations). Will they make an exception to those rules for Watt, seeing as he is such a valuable player?

[tube517]

Typical Badgers LB under the current staff. Tough as nails. Fundamentally sound. Not flashy athlete. Finds a way to make plays.

Watt
Loudermilk
Schoebert

Steelers like Wisco defenders.

Since you "love" Twitter. :chuckle:

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So, Cool SHades and Colbert have switched from U of Maryland to U of Wisconsin??

[Mojouw]

Since you "love" Twitter. :chuckle:

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So, Cool SHades and Colbert have switched from U of Maryland to U of Wisconsin??

Maybe they can do Jump Around and Renegade?

https://youtu.be/tODlPxhbGF8

[Disco1981]

Colbert keeps giving Popcorn more and more...1st rounders and All Pros or Former All Pros at just about every position on Defense...

To get demolished by the likes of Jacksonville and the Stains in the playoffs...WHEN are the Coaches gonna start being held accountable?

[DesertSteel]

Colbert keeps giving Popcorn more and more...1st rounders and All Pros or Former All Pros at just about every position on Defense...

To get demolished by the likes of Jacksonville and the Stains in the playoffs...WHEN are the Coaches gonna start being held accountable?
I think it started with this post!!

[Hawkman]

Colbert keeps giving Popcorn more and more...1st rounders and All Pros or Former All Pros at just about every position on Defense...

To get demolished by the likes of Jacksonville and the Stains in the playoffs...WHEN are the Coaches gonna start being held accountable?

Your contributions are off the charts.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Colbert keeps giving Popcorn more and more...1st rounders and All Pros or Former All Pros at just about every position on Defense...

To get demolished by the likes of Jacksonville and the Stains in the playoffs...WHEN are the Coaches gonna start being held accountable?

you do realize that the Steelers gave Tomlin a 3-year contract extension, right?

[tube517]

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[86WARD]

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They found more money?? Shocking…

[emoji102]

[HollywoodSteel]

I’m posting this here because it pertains to Schobert but it also applies to other acquisitions where we asked ourselves, how are we getting this player so easily? If it’s too good to be true, should we be worried?

Probably not. I never really compared all those situations and found the same common denominator: we took advantage of a first year head coach wanting “his guys” and not worrying about losing quality talent if they aren’t part of his plan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/steelerswire.usatoday.com/lists/pittsburgh-steelers-minkah-fitzpatrick-dwayne-haskins-joe-haden-joe-schobert/amp/

[teegre]

I’m posting this here because it pertains to Schobert but it also applies to other acquisitions where we asked ourselves, how are we getting this player so easily? If it’s too good to be true, should we be worried?

Probably not. I never really compared all those situations and found the same common denominator: we took advantage of a first year head coach wanting “his guys” and not worrying about losing quality talent if they aren’t part of his plan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/steelerswire.usatoday.com/lists/pittsburgh-steelers-minkah-fitzpatrick-dwayne-haskins-joe-haden-joe-schobert/amp/


Jerome Bettis :nod:

[HollywoodSteel]

This acquisition is looking better and better.

Spillane’s numbers in coverage are beyond scary.

https://twitter.com/alex_kozora/status/1431682993912000526?s=21