WTF is up with Devin Bush!?!

[teegre]

First, he blasts anyone on TikTok. When reminded that several of his teammates are on TikTok, Bush responded by posting crazier and crazier and even crazier crap on Twitter:

-wine guessing game
-marriage advice
-a dead cat video :scared:

He has posted a different tweet every hour for about three days in a row. WTF!?!

[st33lersguy]

Another chapter in Days of Our Steelers

[hawaiiansteeler]

First, he blasts anyone on TikTok. When reminded that several of his teammates are on TikTok, Bush responded by posting crazier and crazier and even crazier crap on Twitter:

-wine guessing game
-marriage advice
-a dead cat video :scared:

He has posted a different tweet every hour for about three days in a row. WTF!?!

anyone who posts a video of a cat falling to its death needs to get TF away from around me.

[BlackAndGold]

People are weird, athletes are no different.

[Dwinsgames]

First, he blasts anyone on TikTok. When reminded that several of his teammates are on TikTok, Bush responded by posting crazier and crazier and even crazier crap on Twitter:

-wine guessing game
-marriage advice
-a dead cat video :scared:

He has posted a different tweet every hour for about three days in a row. WTF!?!


if that is close to accurate either he has a few people running his account for him or someone has gotten heavy into meth cause nobody stays awake that long otherwise .........

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anyone who posts a video of a cat falling to its death needs to get TF away from around me.

yeah thats just beyond strange to me and i am not a cat person

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People are weird, athletes are no different.

pretty much but he seems to be on the outer fringe of weird

[86WARD]

As long as his shit is together just enough to stay on and perform well on the football field.

[Fire Goodell]

anybody with a penis shaped ponytail is already enough evidence they're weird

[DesertSteel]

As long as his shit is together just enough to stay on and perform well on the football field.
We're still waiting on that too...

[steelcityboyz]

There's been some oddballs playing in the NFL for as long as i can remember, hopefully it doesn't affect his play.

[Steel Peon]

He's young, and young people are weird.

[Steeler-in-west]

He needs a real hobby - like golf

[86WARD]

He needs a real hobby - like golf

Maybe acting wacky on Twitter is his hobby…

[Steeler-in-west]

Maybe acting wacky on Twitter is his hobby…

If he has to act wacky at least it’s not at a bar where you can get into real trouble - then again Twitter has its own set of problems - imagine Twitter in the hands of someone like a young immature Bradshaw - he would not have lasted in Pittsburgh

[Hawkman]

Yet another reason I’m glad I’m not on Twitter.

[pczach]

Yet another reason I’m glad I’m not on Twitter.


You got that right!

I know it has its uses, but damn! The amount of idiocy on display is astonishing.

Bush is not painting a very good picture of himself.

[Mojouw]

You got that right!

I know it has its uses, but damn! The amount of idiocy on display is astonishing.

Bush is not painting a very good picture of himself.

I honestly can not think of one actually useful and unique feature of Twitter.

It’s an idea in search of a purpose.

It appears to function solely to let people hear themselves talk but to an audience.

Not sure when everyone became obsessed with what everyone else thinks. I simply don’t care about any celebrity or sports figure’s deep thoughts on anything.

I will return to being old and grumpier and posting all my deep thoughts to a message board like internet Jesus intended.

[DesertSteel]

If Twitter is so worthless why are all of you reading it and/or discussing its content?

[86WARD]

Twitter is extremely useful for news, updates, pop-culture, entertainment, etc.

It’s beyond useful for businesses. I mean it’s free advertising reaching millions of people basically for free.

It’s one of those things that is what you make of it.

[EzraTank]

First, he blasts anyone on TikTok. When reminded that several of his teammates are on TikTok, Bush responded by posting crazier and crazier and even crazier crap on Twitter:

-wine guessing game
-marriage advice
-a dead cat video :scared:

He has posted a different tweet every hour for about three days in a row. WTF!?!

I don't live in Pittsburgh but is there something in the water? Why can't our players be normal?

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Twitter is extremely useful for news, updates, pop-culture, entertainment, etc.

It’s beyond useful for businesses. I mean it’s free advertising reaching millions of people basically for free.

It’s one of those things that is what you make of it.

And if you're a narcissist it's the BOMB!

https://media3.giphy.com/media/puuc5ZoJmBA5y/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47o18l5vimutajy6kt5ap1b7f8n7ei bshk5v78b9p0&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Mojouw]

Twitter is extremely useful for news, updates, pop-culture, entertainment, etc.

It’s beyond useful for businesses. I mean it’s free advertising reaching millions of people basically for free.

It’s one of those things that is what you make of it.

Is it, though?

I literally know one person that uses Twitter. Yet somehow everyone I know is fairly well informed about current events, doesn't miss major pop culture events, and is more than well advertised to.

Honestly, anything truly "important" that emerges on Twitter is well covered elsewhere that isn't a sewer via reposting/repeating the content in under an hour. From my outside perspective it seems Twitter just offers the ability to hear/see things "first" with the tradeoff off that it is a conduit for stupid and toxic to enter your life even more. Personally, I would rather be a bit slower to find the information/content and be able to avoid the baggage. Same reason I ditched most other social media as well.

I also realize that individual mileage may vary and each person should enjoy whatever tools they want from the internet. I just don't feel that Twitter really does anything that other platforms don't or can't also do (and some were doing already).

[Hawkman]

If Twitter is so worthless why are all of you reading it and/or discussing its content?

I don’t read it. The only tweets that I EVER read are posted on this board.

[teegre]

I miss the days of Jack Lambert and Andy Russell sneaking out after curfew, spending the night drinking, and showing up to games hung over.

Similarly, I pine for the days of yore, when the Steelers teams of the early 2000s would board party trains (full of “dancers”) to New York and/or take chartered flights to Vegas (with lots & lots of “dancers”) on the Fridays before home games.

Social media is ruining the modern NFL. Damn Gen Z kids!!! Get off of my lawn!!!

Tongue in cheekness aside, anyone who finds humor in animal cruelty has got serious issues.

[DesertSteel]

I don’t read it. The only tweets that I EVER read are posted on this board.
Yet you’re reading them.

[DesertSteel]

At least Bell and Brown actually did something on the field before they turned into public douchebags. Bush has done absolutely nothing. If he walked away right now he’d be in the running for biggest bust in Steelers history.

[Hawkman]

Yet you’re reading them.

Yes, if someone like teegre chooses to share a tweet from someone else, I will read it.

[86WARD]

Is it, though?

I literally know one person that uses Twitter. Yet somehow everyone I know is fairly well informed about current events, doesn't miss major pop culture events, and is more than well advertised to.

Honestly, anything truly "important" that emerges on Twitter is well covered elsewhere that isn't a sewer via reposting/repeating the content in under an hour. From my outside perspective it seems Twitter just offers the ability to hear/see things "first" with the tradeoff off that it is a conduit for stupid and toxic to enter your life even more. Personally, I would rather be a bit slower to find the information/content and be able to avoid the baggage. Same reason I ditched most other social media as well.

I also realize that individual mileage may vary and each person should enjoy whatever tools they want from the internet. I just don't feel that Twitter really does anything that other platforms don't or can't also do (and some were doing already).

How old are you and how old are those people who are well informed? Guessing probably older than the social media target audience?

But what you are saying, that’s the point. The news gets out “first” and then you can see it immediately wherever you do choose to get a more in depth story. Twitter gets you the news fast (and on the go) if you so choose to use it that way. Nothing else can do that but the social media element. It’s pretty much everything in one spot. You don’t have to follow Devin Bush. If you’re a Trumper, you can follow some Trumper feeds…it’s all customizable in one place.

Nothing can get you the exposure that Twitter does if you are a company looking for free exposure. So it’s valuable in that way as well. If it wasn’t useful, 70% of businesses wouldn’t be using it.

[EzraTank]

If Twitter went away tomorrow I really don't see businesses suddenly suffering. Like I said above it is full of narcissists and trolls.

[Fire Goodell]

I only used Twitter to troll Trump supporters when i was bored :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

How old are you and how old are those people who are well informed? Guessing probably older than the social media target audience?

But what you are saying, that’s the point. The news gets out “first” and then you can see it immediately wherever you do choose to get a more in depth story. Twitter gets you the news fast (and on the go) if you so choose to use it that way. Nothing else can do that but the social media element. It’s pretty much everything in one spot. You don’t have to follow Devin Bush. If you’re a Trumper, you can follow some Trumper feeds…it’s all customizable in one place.

Nothing can get you the exposure that Twitter does if you are a company looking for free exposure. So it’s valuable in that way as well. If it wasn’t useful, 70% of businesses wouldn’t be using it.

Fair points. But for news, you’re basically just looking at an RSS feed driven through personalities and brands. Only problem is that it’s a mile wide and an inch thick. No detail, context, or background data. In that sense Twitter took something that already existed and added a social element to it. So for news you basically have the comments thread without the actual info/facts of the article in a “standard” website.

I question the value of companies on Twitter. Old(er) people don’t care - I’m hardly gonna choose my hardware store based on their Twitter presence. Younger people can almost immediately identify corporate shills and official brand accounts. And then just flame them. Again, what do I know, but what does a company get from Twitter? Exposure as either a troll, an insincere brand when they attempt to care about something, or they go viral for the wrong reasons. Companies, to an outsider, appear to be on Twitter because their marketing and social media teams tell them they have to. The only reason apparently is that everyone else is doing it. So a big % of 15-35 year olds are online constantly. Then a bunch of those people get hired to “do social” for a company. Boom - now they’re on Twitter and Insta and Snap. But can anyone tell you why? Doesn’t seem that way.

[86WARD]

Fair points. But for news, you’re basically just looking at an RSS feed driven through personalities and brands. Only problem is that it’s a mile wide and an inch thick. No detail, context, or background data. In that sense Twitter took something that already existed and added a social element to it. So for news you basically have the comments thread without the actual info/facts of the article in a “standard” website.

I question the value of companies on Twitter. Old(er) people don’t care - I’m hardly gonna choose my hardware store based on their Twitter presence. Younger people can almost immediately identify corporate shills and official brand accounts. And then just flame them. Again, what do I know, but what does a company get from Twitter? Exposure as either a troll, an insincere brand when they attempt to care about something, or they go viral for the wrong reasons. Companies, to an outsider, appear to be on Twitter because their marketing and social media teams tell them they have to. The only reason apparently is that everyone else is doing it. So a big % of 15-35 year olds are online constantly. Then a bunch of those people get hired to “do social” for a company. Boom - now they’re on Twitter and Insta and Snap. But can anyone tell you why? Doesn’t seem that way.

It doesn’t have to be a mile wide. You can customize it to your needs. If there’s a story that peaks your interest, you just go to that app to read more about it, click on the link that is most often provided or just google it. Nothing can match the customization, the ease and the convenience.

I mean it’s free advertising and promotion and 70% or so businesses use it so it must have some sort of value to them.

[Mojouw]

It doesn’t have to be a mile wide. You can customize it to your needs. If there’s a story that peaks your interest, you just go to that app to read more about it, click on the link that is most often provided or just google it. Nothing can match the customization, the ease and the convenience.

I mean it’s free advertising and promotion and 70% or so businesses use it so it must have some sort of value to them.

Again, for the news/information component you are describing the internet. Basically using Twitter as a content aggregator and then "reading" more on whatever grabs your attention. That already exists in dozens of variations online. Twitter is just a "social" version of that. Again, if people like it - great, but it isn't a unique thing. For instance, I have never NOT heard about a Schefter or Rappaport Twitter fueled rumor. But I am not on Twitter. So something is matching the customization, ease, and convenience...I am getting all the NFL rumor news I want and ZERO of the stuff I don't...

Just because a lot of business are using a thing doesn't mean it is a useful or effective thing. Business often do things because of a fear of missing out component. Out of curiosity, I searched around and the only 2 "quantifiable" reasons that businesses were advised to use Twitter was "brand recognition" and "search engine optimization". Again...two things you can 100% accomplish other ways.

Twitter is a lazy way to communicate information, puff up the egos of people who crave attention, and let others filter the internet for you. Everything that Twitter does can be done with other tools/methods. Again, if a person likes it or enjoys it- fine. But I wish people would stop pretending it is this revolutionary necessity.

[Steeler-in-west]

I don’t need Twitter - I come here for all my relevant Steelers - football news

[86WARD]

Again, for the news/information component you are describing the internet. Basically using Twitter as a content aggregator and then "reading" more on whatever grabs your attention. That already exists in dozens of variations online. Twitter is just a "social" version of that. Again, if people like it - great, but it isn't a unique thing. For instance, I have never NOT heard about a Schefter or Rappaport Twitter fueled rumor. But I am not on Twitter. So something is matching the customization, ease, and convenience...I am getting all the NFL rumor news I want and ZERO of the stuff I don't...

Just because a lot of business are using a thing doesn't mean it is a useful or effective thing. Business often do things because of a fear of missing out component. Out of curiosity, I searched around and the only 2 "quantifiable" reasons that businesses were advised to use Twitter was "brand recognition" and "search engine optimization". Again...two things you can 100% accomplish other ways.

Twitter is a lazy way to communicate information, puff up the egos of people who crave attention, and let others filter the internet for you. Everything that Twitter does can be done with other tools/methods. Again, if a person likes it or enjoys it- fine. But I wish people would stop pretending it is this revolutionary necessity.

I get it. You hate Twitter and no matter how many facts one could throw out, Twitter just isn’t for you. But you can’t say it’s not relevant, successful or useful. That’s just silly.

[Mojouw]

I get it. You hate Twitter and no matter how many facts one could throw out, Twitter just isn’t for you. But you can’t say it’s not relevant, successful or useful. That’s just silly.

Some may find it useful. Several years ago when I played around with it, I found it cumbersome to find what I wanted and exclude what I didn't. I also think that it is undeniable that there is nothing unique about it. It is a way to aggregate content and then share your feelings about that content. We are doing that right now. Facebook does the same. So does Instagram. So does literally almost anything else online.

For instance, I am on this Steelers forum and no others. Why? This is the least annoying one I could find. Is it the best? I don't know, but the conversations here tend to be about actual football things and not constant hot takes and knee-jerk reactions (both do happen) designed to make the poster look "cool". So I stick around here. Again, I have only dipped my toe in the waters of Twitter, but Twitter seems totally full of people trying to look "cool" and have an instant "take". Maybe if I spent more time seeking out "good" content and curating things to follow...? No idea and I suspect I will never find out.

The point is that it doesn't accomplish anything that multiple other things can not do and it has some serious drawbacks.

[EzraTank]

I only used Twitter to troll Trump supporters when i was bored :chuckle:

LOL, that's exactly what they're doing to you. ;)

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I get it. You hate Twitter and no matter how many facts one could throw out, Twitter just isn’t for you. But you can’t say it’s not relevant, successful or useful. That’s just silly.

I just wish they would separate their business wing from the Communist wing.

[86WARD]

Some may find it useful. Several years ago when I played around with it, I found it cumbersome to find what I wanted and exclude what I didn't. I also think that it is undeniable that there is nothing unique about it. It is a way to aggregate content and then share your feelings about that content. We are doing that right now. Facebook does the same. So does Instagram. So does literally almost anything else online.

For instance, I am on this Steelers forum and no others. Why? This is the least annoying one I could find. Is it the best? I don't know, but the conversations here tend to be about actual football things and not constant hot takes and knee-jerk reactions (both do happen) designed to make the poster look "cool". So I stick around here. Again, I have only dipped my toe in the waters of Twitter, but Twitter seems totally full of people trying to look "cool" and have an instant "take". Maybe if I spent more time seeking out "good" content and curating things to follow...? No idea and I suspect I will never find out.

The point is that it doesn't accomplish anything that multiple other things can not do and it has some serious drawbacks.

Twitter/Facebook/Instagram…they are all pretty much the same and you’d be hard pressed to find anywhere else on the internet that has the daily users that those three platforms have. Without looking, I’d say combined they are probably 2 billion people per day visiting those websites. Facebook probably being the most followed by Instagram and then Twitter. All of which are geared to the user down to the ads they see and the items they buy. These companies know exactly what you are buying before you go into the store based on you. It’s beyond useful for businesses.

My Twitter feed comes up with exactly what I want.

[86WARD]

Bush has evidently been “punished” for his Twitter rant over the weekend. [emoji23]

[hawaiiansteeler]

Bush has evidently been “punished” for his Twitter rant over the weekend. [emoji23]

yup, I bet he has really learned his lesson. :rolleyes:

[Mojouw]

Bush has evidently been “punished” for his Twitter rant over the weekend. [emoji23]
You might say he got "cancelled"? :behindsofa:

[DesertSteel]

I still can’t get over the knuckleheads that think because of freedom of speech that a company (i.e., The Steelers/NFL) can’t penalize or terminate you over things you say. There’s some ignorant people in this country.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I still can’t get over the knuckleheads that think because of freedom of speech that a company (i.e., The Steelers/NFL) can’t penalize or terminate you over things you say. There’s some ignorant people in this country.

but hey, how bout dem Phoenix Suns! :thumbsup:

[86WARD]

You might say he got "cancelled"? :behindsofa:

Lol. Wonder who was the one dealing the “punishment”…Steelers? PR Staff? Someone else?

[tube517]

Lol. Wonder who was the one dealing the “punishment”…Steelers? PR Staff? Someone else?

Zach Banner :chuckle:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I still can’t get over the knuckleheads that think because of freedom of speech that a company (i.e., The Steelers/NFL) can’t penalize or terminate you over things you say. There’s some ignorant people in this country.

:applaudit:

Agreed. A lot of people mistake freedom of speech, with freedom from accountability.

[cubanstogie]

I still can’t get over the knuckleheads that think because of freedom of speech that a company (i.e., The Steelers/NFL) can’t penalize or terminate you over things you say. There’s some ignorant people in this country.
most IMO understand that concept, they just don’t like the double standard. I mean seriously a lot of people called for Gundys firing after wearing an OAN shirt fishing. Grant Nappier fired for saying all lives matter. Pretty benign statements opposed to maxine waters calling for violence.

[86WARD]

Zach Banner :chuckle:

Lol

[teegre]

I don’t use/follow anyone on Twitch, but I also know that millions of people use it. Same goes for Instagram. And, Snapchat. And, Facebook. And, Twitter. And, TikTok. And, Ghostpic (or, whatever the “next” form of social media will be.)

It is akin to different condiments. Some swear by Tapatio. Others put Frank’s “on everything”. Others smother their food with sriracha.

Going back to an earlier point, I still find it funny that people get enraged about JuJu & Claypool dancing on social media… and simultaneously point to the “good ol’ days” (of overindulging on alcohol & prostitutes the nights leading up to games).

That said, Bush needs some help. Really. Banner has jokingly put him on a “two tweet per day” cap, but underneath, Bush’s sudden snap from reality is not a joke.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I don’t use/follow anyone on Twitch, but I also know that millions of people use it. Same goes for Instagram. And, Snapchat. And, Facebook. And, Twitter. And, TikTok. And, Ghostpic (or, whatever the “next” form of social media will be.)

It is akin to different condiments. Some swear by Tapatio. Others put Frank’s “on everything”. Others smother their food with sriracha.

Going back to an earlier point, I still find it funny that people get enraged about JuJu & Claypool dancing on social media… and simultaneously point to the “good ol’ days” (of overindulging on alcohol & prostitutes the nights leading up to games).

That said, Bush needs some help. Really. Banner has jokingly put him on a “two tweet per day” cap, but underneath, Bush’s sudden snap from reality is not a joke.

That is your preference, but some people are all over the board with Cholula, Franks, Valentina, Sriracha, DaBomb, Hoisin, and dont even get to spices like Tony Chachere's Creole, Old Bay or for the Hawaiian posters, some Jeff's smoked salt mix.

Young people do dumb stuff and hopefully Banner, Vinny or Heyward reigns in whatever is going on with Bush.

All that being said, I hope JuJu keeps doing his think on Tik Tok, as its harmless. Just do it on the down time. Now look at this combination of 2 great things. :jawdrop2:
https://countrystore.tabasco.com/media/catalog/product/cache/aedb4643a4e80e1d2c65abdb394bc06f/0/3/03829---sriracha_pdp_wr.jpg

[teegre]

TiM LumBEr tElleD mE ThaT mAYNazE iS thE onLy conDomAnt woRthY oF beINg menCHinnEd iN ThE saMe bReaTh aS aN oWl dOg swEaTEr.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Devin Bush: ‘It’s my Twitter, so (the Steelers) can’t control it’

https://triblive.com/sports/devin-bush-its-my-twitter-so-the-steelers-cant-control-it/

[Fire Goodell]

Devin Bush: ‘It’s my Twitter, so (the Steelers) can’t control it’

https://triblive.com/sports/devin-bush-its-my-twitter-so-the-steelers-cant-control-it/

no they can't, but they do control your paycheck and that matters

[86WARD]

Non-issue.

[teegre]

A few years ago, Tomlin banned Mike Mitchell from posting on Twitter (via heavy fines).

[Dwinsgames]

A few years ago, Tomlin banned Mike Mitchell from posting on Twitter (via heavy fines).

Mike Mitchell is looking like a visionary in comparison to Bush who looks like a psychopath

[teegre]

Mike Mitchell is looking like a visionary in comparison to Bush who looks like a psychopath

True. Bush seems a little off (like he legitimately might need counseling).

What Mitchell did was more drastic (telling someone to kill themselves), but it was in the heat of the moment. As Andy Bernard would say: “That was an OVER-reaction.”

[DesertSteel]

I don’t care what he tweets as long as he plays like the #10 pick. That said, I don’t see him getting a second contract with the Steelers.

[Mojouw]

I don’t care what he tweets as long as he plays like the #10 pick. That said, I don’t see him getting a second contract with the Steelers.

I agree with this prediction. I know there is still time and there are many other stars on this defense, but he just doesn't seem to have a consistent impact.

[Dwinsgames]

I agree with this prediction. I know there is still time and there are many other stars on this defense, but he just doesn't seem to have a consistent impact.

I also agree he is unlikely to get a 2nd contract with his current demeanor , but as to the bold we have to remember he's a young pup whom as a rookie has a couple picks a handful of pass defensed and a forced fumble and a TD ... and since then he has only played 5 games in which he managed 3 PD's

not all world but for his first 17 NFL starts I think it is fair to say he has proven he can play in this league and will likely get better as time goes on ( if his 10 cent head doesnt get in the way )

he isnt Devin White but he isnt Dirty Red either

[Mojouw]

I also agree he is unlikely to get a 2nd contract with his current demeanor , but as to the bold we have to remember he's a young pup whom as a rookie has a couple picks a handful of pass defensed and a forced fumble and a TD ... and since then he has only played 5 games in which he managed 3 PD's

not all world but for his first 17 NFL starts I think it is fair to say he has proven he can play in this league and will likely get better as time goes on ( if his 10 cent head doesnt get in the way )

he isnt Devin White but he isnt Dirty Red either

Very true. I didn't mean to say that Bush was/is bad...but if he wants a "BIG I was drafted in the top 10 second deal" he is going to have to join Watt and Fitzpatrick as "star" players on the defense. Heck, for all I know that would have happened last season if he stayed healthy.

For instance...if Patrick Queen makes Bush NOT the best young ILB in his own division...how does that change the Steelers approach to his contract? Again...not to bash Bush...but I think we can reasonably assume he is going to ask for the moon when his rookie deal is over...if nothing else because of where he was picked. Will his play justify a moon shot?

[Dwinsgames]

Very true. I didn't mean to say that Bush was/is bad...but if he wants a "BIG I was drafted in the top 10 second deal" he is going to have to join Watt and Fitzpatrick as "star" players on the defense. Heck, for all I know that would have happened last season if he stayed healthy.

For instance...if Patrick Queen makes Bush NOT the best young ILB in his own division...how does that change the Steelers approach to his contract? Again...not to bash Bush...but I think we can reasonably assume he is going to ask for the moon when his rookie deal is over...if nothing else because of where he was picked. Will his play justify a moon shot?


fair points ...

This year will tell us a lot I think , how does he bounce back , was he taking the mental reps last year when down , can he make the calls , how will his body respond .... has he lost any of his speed which his game is predicated on ??

we shall see .............

as for the money if he behaves himself he has 2 more years after this one to earn that payday ( 5th year option if worthy )

[Born2Steel]

From his play so far Bush is 5th year option worthy already, IMO. I could even see him become one of those players vital to this defense and warrant a 2nd contract. Time will tell.

IF Bush becomes a headcase and a distraction the Steelers no longer want around, where does that put him in the list of worst draft picks?

[Rotorhead]

From his play so far Bush is 5th year option worthy already, IMO. I could even see him become one of those players vital to this defense and warrant a 2nd contract. Time will tell.

IF Bush becomes a headcase and a distraction the Steelers no longer want around, where does that put him in the list of worst draft picks?

That depends on how he plays, if he builds on his rookie campaign, then he is not a “worst” pick at all, even if he is gone after his rookie contract.

[DesertSteel]

From his play so far Bush is 5th year option worthy already, IMO. I could even see him become one of those players vital to this defense and warrant a 2nd contract. Time will tell.

IF Bush becomes a headcase and a distraction the Steelers no longer want around, where does that put him in the list of worst draft picks?
I agree on the 5th year option being likely.

[Fire Goodell]

Well you have to be a little crazy to play linebacker in the NFL, so i'm not too worried yet :chuckle:

[86WARD]

Fan base is starting to turn…lol

[Mojouw]

Fan base is starting to turn…lol

First time a TE beats him in coverage for a TD...."If you would study the playbook and watch film instead of use the Tweet-tock...BUST!"

[hawaiiansteeler]

Fan base is starting to turn…lol

posting a video of a cat falling to its death off a building is disgusting.

[EzraTank]

posting a video of a cat falling to its death off a building is disgusting.

I was going to ask what he Tweeted, but this did it. WTF is wrong with this kid? I mean it's not like he came from the Ghetto his father played in the NFL.

[86WARD]

First time a TE beats him in coverage for a TD...."If you would study the playbook and watch film instead of use the Tweet-tock...BUST!"

Yep. It’s like the 3-Stooges Niagra Falls skit. “Slowly I Turn…”

[HollywoodSteel]

I long for the good old days when players had their heads on straight and did normal, wholesome, things like shoot at police helicopters. Not this madness of posting weird thoughts on Twitter. What a cancer. Those tweets will no doubt make the difference between a 7th championship or not.

[pczach]

I long for the good old days when players had their heads on straight and did normal, wholesome, things like shoot at police helicopters. Not this madness of posting weird thoughts on Twitter. What a cancer. Those tweets will no doubt make the difference between a 7th championship or not.



When Cam Heyward is publicly telling him to cool his ass down....that's not good.

He also referred to himself as a psycho.

There would be legitimate concern for anyone saying stuff like that, both personally and professionally.

[Six Rings]

i could be wrong but I see early diva signs. He's not that good. Trade him now-

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

When Cam Heyward is publicly telling him to cool his ass down....that's not good.

He also referred to himself as a psycho.

There would be legitimate concern for anyone saying stuff like that, both personally and professionally.

Yeah, I havent seen anybody refer to himself as psycho, since Francis Soyer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbfJeI1Y1I

[pczach]

Yeah, I havent seen anybody refer to himself as psycho, since Francis Soyer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbfJeI1Y1I




Sergeant Hulka would be proud of your reference. :chuckle:

[Hawkman]

i could be wrong but I see early diva signs. He's not that good. Trade him now-

Damn, I thought you were gone.

[fansince'76]

He also referred to himself as a psycho.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhNFjV6XYAAYYlE.jpg

:chuckle:

[86WARD]

I long for the good old days when players had their heads on straight and did normal, wholesome, things like shoot at police helicopters. Not this madness of posting weird thoughts on Twitter. What a cancer. Those tweets will no doubt make the difference between a 7th championship or not.

There’s no difference. Social media just wasn’t around then.

[RunNGun]

Should we be worried about Devin Bush? Joe Schobert does a lot of things that Devin Bush does or was supposed to do. Schobert's strength is pass coverage and weakness is run support.

My question is will Schobert be playing where Spillane was or will Bush move to the "thumper" role and take Spillane's spot? I've read that they want Schobert to be the signal caller, so that locks him into a starting role.

[Hawkman]

Certainly missing Shazier.

[Mojouw]

The next time Bush doesn't look confused in coverage, might be the first.

He's young, he's still learning, and all the usual stuff. But what if he's just kinda dumb? Like a big Labrador or something. Just raw athletic talent oozing from his pores but not a lot of processing going on...

[teegre]

Bush could still turn things around. He has one year’s worth of starts (17 games) under his belt. Troy didn’t look good until his second (full) season.

And, before some of you chime in saying I’m comparing Bush to Polamalu… stop being so f*ckong dumb.

All of that said, going back to the 2018 draft, the Steelers met with Fred Warner. Many of us had him mocked to the Steelers in R2 (if they didn’t take LVE in R1). I know that hindsight is 20/20, but Colbert & Tomlin saw enough in the little-known ILB from BYU to make him one of their 30 player visits. Oh how things would be different if Warner had been selected. Anyway…

[86WARD]

Other than his tweets, Bush really hasn’t done anything to ruin the praise he was receiving for playing so well at the beginning of last season. So because he is part psycho on Twitter and rusty on the field he sucks now??

[Mojouw]

Other than his tweets, Bush really hasn’t done anything to ruin the praise he was receiving for playing so well at the beginning of last season. So because he is part psycho on Twitter and rusty on the field he sucks now??

It, for me, isn't that he sucks at all. I just don't know if I have ever seen the fulfillment of the "top 10 LB" promise from Bush. And..as has been fairly pointed out...how many starts does he actually have? A pretty low number.

But I have heard and read some things that I find troubling for such a high draft pick. He still reputedly has poor technique in coverage. Rumored that he won't wear the green dot entering Year 3 in the system in favor of guy who is entering Day 3 in the system. Honestly, it could all be that he has been out of sight out of mind...but I just have this nagging voice in my head that says "Devin Bush is sorta dumb and won't ever really play like the second LB drafted". Not really based on any actual evidence - just a weird feeling.

[HollywoodSteel]

It, for me, isn't that he sucks at all. I just don't know if I have ever seen the fulfillment of the "top 10 LB" promise from Bush. And..as has been fairly pointed out...how many starts does he actually have? A pretty low number.

But I have heard and read some things that I find troubling for such a high draft pick. He still reputedly has poor technique in coverage. Rumored that he won't wear the green dot entering Year 3 in the system in favor of guy who is entering Day 3 in the system. Honestly, it could all be that he has been out of sight out of mind...but I just have this nagging voice in my head that says "Devin Bush is sorta dumb and won't ever really play like the second LB drafted". Not really based on any actual evidence - just a weird feeling.

Okay, that’s all fair. But I do think it’s silly for people to call him a cancer or diva because he’s weird on Twitter. Whether or not he becomes the player we hoped we drafted will not be determined one way or the other by his online posting, or refraining from online posting.

Take his smart phone away and he’s the exact same football player, and that’s all I care about. The NFL has had some very productive weirdos in the past. It used to be thought of as simply being colorful. This criticism based on his oddball personality seems ridiculously misplaced.

[Mojouw]

Okay, that’s all fair. But I do think it’s silly for people to call him a cancer or diva because he’s weird on Twitter. Whether or not he becomes the player we hoped we drafted will not be determined one way or the other by his online posting, or refraining from online posting.

Take his smart phone away and he’s the exact same football player, and that’s all I care about. The NFL has had some very productive weirdos in the past. It used to be thought of as simply being colorful. This criticism based on his oddball personality seems ridiculously misplaced.

Agreed! As long as these guys don't end up in jail...I rarely care what they do outside of Sundays.

[86WARD]

It, for me, isn't that he sucks at all. I just don't know if I have ever seen the fulfillment of the "top 10 LB" promise from Bush. And..as has been fairly pointed out...how many starts does he actually have? A pretty low number.

But I have heard and read some things that I find troubling for such a high draft pick. He still reputedly has poor technique in coverage. Rumored that he won't wear the green dot entering Year 3 in the system in favor of guy who is entering Day 3 in the system. Honestly, it could all be that he has been out of sight out of mind...but I just have this nagging voice in my head that says "Devin Bush is sorta dumb and won't ever really play like the second LB drafted". Not really based on any actual evidence - just a weird feeling.

The green dot thing isn’t a big deal Schobert is a professional and has been for a while. Nothing the Steelers are doing will be new to him and the language, at this point, is probably something he’s familiar with as well.

[tube517]

The green dot thing isn’t a big deal Schobert is a professional and has been for a while. Nothing the Steelers are doing will be new to him and the language, at this point, is probably something he’s familiar with as well.

Yep.
Ray Horton was his DC in 2017 so there will be some familiarity

[teegre]

Other than his tweets, Bush really hasn’t done anything to ruin the praise he was receiving for playing so well at the beginning of last season. So because he is part psycho on Twitter and rusty on the field he sucks now??

Okay, that’s all fair. But I do think it’s silly for people to call him a cancer or diva because he’s weird on Twitter. Whether or not he becomes the player we hoped we drafted will not be determined one way or the other by his online posting, or refraining from online posting.

Take his smart phone away and he’s the exact same football player, and that’s all I care about. The NFL has had some very productive weirdos in the past. It used to be thought of as simply being colorful. This criticism based on his oddball personality seems ridiculously misplaced.

I don’t think the two things are connected and/or think people are saying he can’t play because of his weird tweets. Both conversations just happen to be occurring in the same thread.

Is Bush weird? Undoubtedly
Is he as bad as a rapist? No
Is what he’s doing more concerning than the Tik Tok dancing that JuJu has been doing? Yes

Now, the other discussion point is whether or not he can play/whether he was worth trading up into the top ten to acquire.

Has he played as well as Fred Warner, Devon White, and/or Darius Leonard? Absolutely not

Is Bush young? Yes
Does he still have time to develop? Yes
Has he shown promise? Yes

[Mojouw]

The green dot thing isn’t a big deal Schobert is a professional and has been for a while. Nothing the Steelers are doing will be new to him and the language, at this point, is probably something he’s familiar with as well.

I dunno. If I trade up to take a LB high in the first round and in year 3 he's not wearing the green dot...I got questions about his mental processing, communication, and/or leadership.

[HollywoodSteel]

I don’t think the two things are connected and/or think people are saying he can’t play because of his weird tweets. Both conversations just happen to be occurring in the same thread.

Is Bush weird? Undoubtedly
Is he as bad as a rapist? No
Is what he’s doing more concerning than the Tik Tok dancing that JuJu has been doing? Yes

Now, the other discussion point is whether or not he can play/whether he was worth trading up into the top ten to acquire.

Has he played as well as Fred Warner, Devon White, and/or Darius Leonard? Absolutely not

Is Bush young? Yes
Does he still have time to develop? Yes
Has he shown promise? Yes

Right. I have no issues with the second conversation. And I agree that his weird tweets and his performance, or lack thereof, have absolutely nothing to with each other. Therefore his tweets are of zero concern to us as Steelers fans since our only real concern is his performance on the football field.

I mean I suppose it can be interesting for some to talk about a player’s personal life, who he’s dating, what kind of video games he plays, what he likes to tweet, etc. But none of it is relevant as it pertains to our primary interests of wanting the best football players to play football for us.

[SteelMember]

I dunno. If I trade up to take a LB high in the first round and in year 3 he's not wearing the green dot...I got questions about his mental processing, communication, and/or leadership.

He only played 5 games last year prior to his "season ending" injury... so he's really only played a year and 1/3 (21 games) so far.

[86WARD]

I dunno. If I trade up to take a LB high in the first round and in year 3 he's not wearing the green dot...I got questions about his mental processing, communication, and/or leadership.

Why? When there’s someone better to wear it why wouldn’t you pass it along? That doesn’t mean Bush can’t process plays. Just means that maybe Schobert does it better. :dunno:

[DesertSteel]

Why? When there’s someone better to wear it why wouldn’t you pass it along? That doesn’t mean Bush can’t process plays. Just means that maybe Schobert does it better. :dunno:
Coupled with the fact that he looks clueless every time he drops into coverage.

[Mojouw]

Why? When there’s someone better to wear it why wouldn’t you pass it along? That doesn’t mean Bush can’t process plays. Just means that maybe Schobert does it better. :dunno:

I am basing this on nothing other than random personal opinion/feeling, but if I trade into the top 10 picks and take a LB, he better play every down, QB the defense, know assignments better than the other players, and make plays.

For the green dot...you can only have one on the field at a time. Maybe Schobert is just learning the role so he can take over if Bush goes down. BUT if Bush gives up the dot to Schobert, that means the #10 overall pick in a draft class is only going to be a 2 down linebacker. That's bad value and means you didn't get your evaluation correct.

[HollywoodSteel]

I am basing this on nothing other than random personal opinion/feeling, but if I trade into the top 10 picks and take a LB, he better play every down, QB the defense, know assignments better than the other players, and make plays.

For the green dot...you can only have one on the field at a time. Maybe Schobert is just learning the role so he can take over if Bush goes down. BUT if Bush gives up the dot to Schobert, that means the #10 overall pick in a draft class is only going to be a 2 down linebacker. That's bad value and means you didn't get your evaluation correct.

Don’t we have some personnel groups with 3 OLBs and no ILBs? Or have we never done that when Bush is available?

I’m just wondering if the green dot always goes to someone who never leaves the field, except for injury.
Do offenses then just know that you have no defensive personnel group without that particular player?

[Mojouw]

Don’t we have some personnel groups with 3 OLBs and no ILBs? Or have we never done that when Bush is available?

I’m just wondering if the green dot always goes to someone who never leaves the field, except for injury.
Do offenses then just know that you have no defensive personnel group without that particular player?

Basically...yes. Most NFL teams have this one guy that plays almost every snap in almost every formation to the best of my knowledge...which is not to be taken as 100%.

I think you can send in another player with the dot, but can only have one dot at a time. So if you give it to player A and then he leaves, you have to have a player swap his helmet for a radio helmet AND get into the game AND get everyone lined up. From what I have read, most teams do NOT like doing that - too much can go wrong. So they tend to give the dot to a guy who basically never leaves the field. The other arrangement I have noticed is that Player A has the dot like 90% of the time and Player B who only plays in certain packages has it like the other 10%. But I think....there is still a helmet swap involved...

Unless I am missing something...if you take the green dot away from Bush (he wore it for his pre-injury starts last season), then he becomes a mostly 2 down player.

HOWEVER...Schobert's full interview transcript has hit over the last few days and it seems like someone has him walking back his comments. Appears he is now "learning" the role not being planned as having the role. So who really knows?

[86WARD]

I am basing this on nothing other than random personal opinion/feeling, but if I trade into the top 10 picks and take a LB, he better play every down, QB the defense, know assignments better than the other players, and make plays.

For the green dot...you can only have one on the field at a time. Maybe Schobert is just learning the role so he can take over if Bush goes down. BUT if Bush gives up the dot to Schobert, that means the #10 overall pick in a draft class is only going to be a 2 down linebacker. That's bad value and means you didn't get your evaluation correct.

So again…people are now saying Bush isn’t worth the 10th pick because he doesn’t have a green dot.

So the guy that was a beast before he got injured is now all of a sudden “not as good as we thought” and “overvalued” because of Twitter, a preseason game AND a green dot.

God help him if he signs up for TikTok.

[Mojouw]

So again…people are now saying Bush isn’t worth the 10th pick because he doesn’t have a green dot.

So the guy that was a beast before he got injured is now all of a sudden “not as good as we thought” and “overvalued” because of Twitter, a preseason game AND a green dot.

God help him if he signs up for TikTok.

Don't focus on the dot. Focus on the number of downs he plays in a series. Would you draft a 2 down defender with the tenth overall pick?

[HollywoodSteel]

Don't focus on the dot. Focus on the number of downs he plays in a series. Would you draft a 2 down defender with the tenth overall pick?

Do we always pull an ILB on third down? I honestly haven’t paid much attention to how Butler does it but I know LeBeau used to usually leave Harrison, Woodley, Farrior, and Timmons in on nickel, and pull the NT.

I can see why Butler might have pulled Vince Williams out on third down, but now that we have two coverage ILBs do we still have to pull one?

Maybe I’m just having a hard time with this because I can’t seem to take my focus off the dot. :)

[86WARD]

Don't focus on the dot. Focus on the number of downs he plays in a series. Would you draft a 2 down defender with the tenth overall pick?

I mean the last LB to play 100% of the defensive snaps in a game since 2019 was Bush and he only did that twice. No other LB has played 100% of the snaps in any game. So there’s obviously a system they have in place…

[Mojouw]

So Steelers traditional nickel is the NT for a DB. Then they pull a ILB for another DB when they go dime. Last season they were in dime about 20% of the time. Sub package over 60% of the time.

Perhaps "2 down LB" is hyperbole. But, I draft a guy in the top 10 he better play in every grouping.

[HollywoodSteel]

So Steelers traditional nickel is the NT for a DB. Then they pull a ILB for another DB when they go dime. Last season they were in dime about 20% of the time. Sub package over 60% of the time.

Perhaps "2 down LB" is hyperbole. But, I draft a guy in the top 10 he better play in every grouping.

I don’t know if we should make too many assumptions about which player will be on the field for more snaps. If Schobert turns out to be so good that he can’t be taken off the field, great. I don’t think that means Bush is suddenly not worth a top ten pick. Maybe there will be plays where Schobert is taken out and they give Minkah the polka dot helmet for that play. It’s possible that they want to let Bush do less thinking before a play to better focus. Who knows?

I do understand your logic about what this COULD mean. But it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s because they think he’s some kind of bust as a 3 down LB.

[Mojouw]

I don’t know if we should make too many assumptions about which player will be on the field for more snaps. If Schobert turns out to be so good that he can’t be taken off the field, great. I don’t think that means Bush is suddenly not worth a top ten pick. Maybe there will be plays where Schobert is taken out and they give Minkah the polka dot helmet for that play. It’s possible that they want to let Bush do less thinking before a play to better focus. Who knows?

I do understand your logic about what this COULD mean. But it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s because they think he’s some kind of bust as a 3 down LB.

Totally good points. Mostly thinking out loud. Be interesting to see what the first few weeks of the regular season bring.

It's gonna be exciting.

[teegre]

I mean I suppose it can be interesting for some to talk about a player’s personal life, who he’s dating, what kind of video games he plays, what he likes to tweet, etc. But none of it is relevant as it pertains to our primary interests of wanting the best football players to play football for us.

I don’t care who he’s dating. I could care less about Tik Toks. What players do in their off time is of little interest to me. That said, IMO, those two days of him tweeting ad nauseum capped off with he dead cat tweet was newsworthy (and concerning). Hence, this thread.

[HollywoodSteel]

I don’t care who he’s dating. I could care less about Tik Toks. What players do in their off time is of little interest to me. That said, IMO, those two days of him tweeting ad nauseum capped off with he dead cat tweet was newsworthy (and concerning). Hence, this thread.

Yes. Anything that interests enough people, for whatever reasons, is absolutely newsworthy. I guess I just don’t get the concern as it pertains to his job as a football player. Unless we think he was on drugs or suffering some kind of mental health issue that would affect his abilities at work. I don’t think I’ve seen compelling evidence of that, but I’m not a mental health expert. I trust the team to be aware enough of actual warning signs of such things to take action if necessary.

So far he’s been in camp and doing his job with no hint of a mental issue inhibiting his abilities. My personal takeaway is that he’s an odd duck who probably has a hell of a lot more Twitter followers than he did last year. Good for him if it was strategic.

[HollywoodSteel]

As far as the green dot goes, if I understand Butler correctly, it doesn’t have much to do with Bush, but more of a way to hasten Schobert’s understanding of the defense by giving him more responsibility.

Of course, Butler might not be fully forthcoming. I’m curious to hear how others interpret this:

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/08/keith-butler-says-no-disappointment-at-all-in-devin-bush-wants-two-ilbs-who-know-what-the-crap-were-doing/

[HollywoodSteel]

This article addresses the question of who comes off the field in dime packages, but they don’t give a definitive answer. I think the takeaway is that it has not been determined yet.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/08/keith-butler-suggests-whether-devin-bush-comes-off-field-in-dime-depends-on-how-he-progresses/

[HollywoodSteel]

Totally good points. Mostly thinking out loud. Be interesting to see what the first few weeks of the regular season bring.

It's gonna be exciting.

Here’s an interesting theory I just heard, and I’m curious to hear your thoughts on it. With the addition of another good coverage ILB the Steelers could play a lot more nickel in situations where they played dime last year. I imagine the departure of Mike Hilton, and the uncertainty of our CB depth, could factor into it as well.

One advantage I can see to having two versatile ILBs is in hurry up situations where we can’t substitute.

[Shoes]

As far as the green dot goes, if I understand Butler correctly, it doesn’t have much to do with Bush, but more of a way to hasten Schobert’s understanding of the defense by giving him more responsibility.

Of course, Butler might not be fully forthcoming. I’m curious to hear how others interpret this:

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/08/keith-butler-says-no-disappointment-at-all-in-devin-bush-wants-two-ilbs-who-know-what-the-crap-were-doing/



Moats had some thoughts on this a few days ago.

Starts about the 4:00



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4cdYA3KeiM&t=494s

[DesertSteel]

Sounds like a lot of excuses for Bush.

[Shoes]

I remember a year or two ago Butler said he can't wait until he retires so he can play golf everyday. I'll be happy when he is playing golf everyday.

[Born2Steel]

Why didn’t somebody suggest take a look at ILB prospects before the draft? As disappointed as I am with Bush’s offseason ‘Twit’ account, I feel pretty ok with Schobert and Buddy Johnson manning the middle. I miss Vince. I miss Timmons. We need that enforcer.

[86WARD]

Both Bush and Schobert are wearing the green dot right now. I'd be willing to bet that this is more of a training type thing than anything else. Why wouldn't you want both players comfortable and the team comfortable with two different people calling the plays? There's no downside to having them both able to do it.

[86WARD]

Gerry Dulac: Steelers' acquisition of Joe Schobert is not an indictment on Devin Bush

Let’s be clear about one thing: Joe Schobert was not brought in to replace Devin Bush in passing situations. He was brought in to strengthen the position next to Bush and to improve the team’s depth by allowing Robert Spillane to assume the role for which he was intended — a quality backup.

And do not confuse the green communication dot with a badge of honor. The Steelers want Schobert to wear it to relay the defensive call because it’s one less thing Bush will have to worry about. In turn, they think it will allow Bush to play faster and unencumbered.

Don’t forget, the Steelers had T.J. Watt wear the green dot a couple years ago, only to have that experiment last a game because it became a problem for their All-Pro linebacker.

[Disco1981]

Gerry Dulac: Steelers' acquisition of Joe Schobert is not an indictment on Devin Bush

Let’s be clear about one thing: Joe Schobert was not brought in to replace Devin Bush in passing situations. He was brought in to strengthen the position next to Bush and to improve the team’s depth by allowing Robert Spillane to assume the role for which he was intended — a quality backup.

And do not confuse the green communication dot with a badge of honor. The Steelers want Schobert to wear it to relay the defensive call because it’s one less thing Bush will have to worry about. In turn, they think it will allow Bush to play faster and unencumbered.

Don’t forget, the Steelers had T.J. Watt wear the green dot a couple years ago, only to have that experiment last a game because it became a problem for their All-Pro linebacker.


Or...Bush just isn't smart enough.( Which judging by his social media rants, could well be true )

[86WARD]

Or...Bush just isn't smart enough.( Which judging by his social media rants, could well be true )

Clearly that’s not true based on the first half of last season.