rounds 2 and 3

[buzz998]

i hope the steelers draft some big uglies in the next two rounds because their run blocking o-line sucks as it currently stands. it's not that i dislike the Harris pick in the first as much as i feel like everything starts in the trenches...

[st33lersguy]

Agreed. They did need a better RB but it all starts upfront. Like I said in the other thread, they don't draft o-line you render Najee meaningless

[Fire Goodell]

I'm sure OL is addressed and they're aware of it. Part of the problem was the lack of talent at RB, which they addressed big here.

[buzz998]

the Harris pick was a HUGE upgrade at RB without question. i just hope they can find near equal value and upgrade for the OL in the rest of the draft. i don't watch college ball, but i do watch pro when i can. i DO pay attention to the fact that the majority of quality RB's in the NFL are NOT first round picks. i kind of felt there was more value at OT in the 1st than RB in the 1st for that reason. many of the quality guards in the NFL seem to be stellar collegiate G's or converted quality collegiate T's. which are usually found in later rounds.

at least that is what i have noticed from watching the pro games and hearing where players played at in college and where they were drafted.

[teegre]

Players still available:

OCs:
Landon Dickerson, Alabama
Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
Quinn Meinerz, Whitewater
Josh Myers, Ohio St.
Robert Hainsey, Notre Dame
Tre Hill, Georgia

OTs:
Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma St.
Dillon Radunz, North Dakota St.
Spencer Brown, Northern Iowa
Jaylen Mayfield, Michigan
Liam Eichenberg, Notre Dame
Jackson Carman, Clemson

[BlackAndGold]

They'll get a center tomorrow and add a tackle in round 4.

[buzz998]

They'll get a center tomorrow and add a tackle in round 4.

what do you expect in rd 3? or are you expecting a trade up using their 3rd round pick?

[BlackAndGold]

what do you expect in rd 3? or are you expecting a trade up using their 3rd round pick?

It'll be a defensive player I expect. Corner or linebacker.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

They'll get a center tomorrow and add a tackle in round 4.

Adrian Ealey OT Oklahoma-in the 4th.

[st33lersguy]

Pick 55
A. Offensive lineman
B. Stupid pick

[teegre]

I know that no one wants to hear anything about "other" positions, but these guys are still available, as well:

JOK, Notre Dame
Asante Samuel, Jr., Florida St.
Trevon Moehrig, TCU
Pat Freiermuth, Penn St.
Hunter Long, BC


Along with my previous (O-line) list, that is 17 guys that I could see being picked at 55 (and would be good picks)... and we pick 23rd in this round.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Best remaining prospects available in the 2021 NFL Draft

Published: Apr 29, 2021
Daniel Jeremiah
NFL Media analyst

https://www.nfl.com/news/best-remaining-prospects-available-in-the-2021-nfl-draft

[BlackAndGold]

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Dalman has been a name that has been sneaking up in the last few weeks. A little light though.

[teegre]

Best remaining prospects available in the 2021 NFL Draft

Published: Apr 29, 2021
Daniel Jeremiah
NFL Media analyst

https://www.nfl.com/news/best-remaining-prospects-available-in-the-2021-nfl-draft

Ooooh... Levi Onwuzurike :nod:

If we did not need an OC and an OT (and a CB and an ILB), I would be tempted to take him at 55. Our D-line would be insane!!!

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Dalman has been a name that has been sneaking up in the last few weeks. A little light though.

I almost listed Dalman, but I figured he was a R4 type of guy. Never would have thought that I would see him being considered at 55.

(Why does Dulac have me blocked?)

[BlackAndGold]

I almost listed Dalman, but I figured he was a R4 type of guy. Never would have thought that I would see him being considered at 55.

(Why does Dulac have me blocked?)

Dulac, like most journalist, are pretty sensitive people, so I doubt it takes much to get blocked. Maybe you questioned one of his 'reports' or 'takes'?

[teegre]

I'm tripling down on 'Bama players:

R1: Najee
R2: Captain Cartwheel
R3: Dylan Moses, ILB

[BlackAndGold]

gut feeling, they really like both Dickerson and Freiermuth.

[teegre]

gut feeling, they really like both Dickerson and Freiermuth.

Indeed

They were two of the guys with whom they spent a lot of time talking to (at their pro days).

[teegre]

POSITIONS WHO WE DO NOT NEED
(that will push OCs/OTs down to us):

Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss
Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue
Terrance Marshall, Jr., WR, LSU
Javante Williams, RB, North Carolina
Azeez Ojulari, Edge, Georgia
Joseph Ossai, Edge, Texas
Carlos Basham, Jr., Edge, Wake Forest
Ronnie Perkins, Edge, Oklahoma (even though I like him)
Christian Barmore, DT, ‘Bama
Levi Owuzurike, DT, Washington (even though I like him)

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

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Dalman has been a name that has been sneaking up in the last few weeks. A little light though.

Yeah, I see Dalman as a day 3 guy. Round 2 is a big reach IMO.

Jenkins, Raddunz, Mayfield, Humphrey, Eichenberg, Cosmi, Little, Spencer Brown, Josh Myers are all better selections than Dalman IMO.

I still would not rule out that Assante Samuel Jr, Kelvin Joseph and Tyson Campbell are all there at CB too.

[Shoes]

Round 2 or 3 is going to be a TE, I hope.

[86WARD]

Rounds 2-3...

What if Freirmuth and Humphrey/Dickerson are there?

For Rounds 2-3, obviously give me BPA based on needs but I’m hoping for (in no order), 2 of 3 ... OT, OC or TE...

[Shoes]

Rounds 2-3...

What if Freirmuth and Humphrey/Dickerson are there?

For Rounds 2-3, obviously give me BPA based on needs but I’m hoping for (in no order), 2 of 3 ... OT, OC or TE...

That would be a good problem to have.

[86WARD]

That would be a good problem to have.

We know what you do...lol

I’m not sure what I would do there. Do you take Freiermuth and hope that Myers falls to 87?

[teegre]

We know what you do...lol

I’m not sure what I would do there. Do you take Freiermuth and hope that Myers falls to 87?

If the pick is indeed Freiermuth :scared: expect heads to assplode around here!!!

As far as Myers being there at 87... alas, no. A few weeks back, some pundit was talking about the sweet spot for the centers was 55-66. All four would be there at 55, but Dickerson, Humphrey, & Myers would assuredly be gone by 66... with Meinerz possibly creeping in there, as well.

I’m not sure why they chose that last number (66), but they specifically stated that the Steelers would “have their choice” of the top OCs at 55.

[DesertSteel]

O line is the way to go. But there was nothing wrong with the run game the first 4-5 games last year. Derrick Henry would have run for 1500 for the Steelers last year.

[Born2Steel]

Stone Forsythe is another huge LT prospect that should be in play at 55 or 87.

[DesertSteel]

It’s likely that C is the only position that’s drafted and will actually start next year. I say they go C in R2 and OT in R3. I won’t be surprised if they trade up to get their next HOF center.

[EzraTank]

i hope the steelers draft some big uglies in the next two rounds because their run blocking o-line sucks as it currently stands. it's not that i dislike the Harris pick in the first as much as i feel like everything starts in the trenches...

Yes our running game sucked but a lot of that was on our offensive coordinator and line coach (losing Mike Munchak killed us) from last year which both are gone. I forget who it was, but at some point last year and old Steelers lineman broke down the OL techniques and said the way they were all coming off the ball was more designed to pass protect and horrible for the running game because they were stepping backwards instead of firing off the ball. The point is with a few more drafts in the next couple of rounds, better coaching, and a better well balance run/pass attack our guys that came back from last year could be better.

But it's been one round, let's step back and wait to see what the overall draft plan is before jumping off the building.

[Dwinsgames]

I guess I am in the minority on this ...

Banner was the week 1 starter last year he won that job in camp at RT he will resume that role in 2021 and he is a mountain of a man in the best shape of his life reports claim ...

Decastro is decastro ... rock solid at RG

Finney played well in place of Pouncey before no reason to think he wont again , and if Honest Pouncey the last 2 years was not the all pro he once was his play declined

Dotson is gonna be a beast he played well as a rookie and that arrow is pointed up

Chuks proved he belongs if the move to LT doesn't hinder him any it will actually be an upgrade over AV...


so where is this line any worse than the last few years ??

one could argue its going to be better ...

I could see them drafting a Center and a swing tackle but I do not believe its imperative for success either

[Shoes]

I guess I am in the minority on this ...

Banner was the week 1 starter last year he won that job in camp at RT he will resume that role in 2021 and he is a mountain of a man in the best shape of his life reports claim ...

Decastro is decastro ... rock solid at RG

Finney played well in place of Pouncey before no reason to think he wont again , and if Honest Pouncey the last 2 years was not the all pro he once was his play declined

Dotson is gonna be a beast he played well as a rookie and that arrow is pointed up

Chuks proved he belongs if the move to LT doesn't hinder him any it will actually be an upgrade over AV...


so where is this line any worse than the last few years ??

one could argue its going to be better ...

I could see them drafting a Center and a swing tackle but I do not believe its imperative for success either

Agreed, I could see a C but I think if Freirmuth is there at 55 he will be a Steeler.

[Born2Steel]

I feel like I have 2 main targets at 55. Landon Dickerson or Creed Humphrey. Either one I think would be a bullseye. I would be fine with Josh Myers but it would feel a little bit like a concession pick.

[Dwinsgames]

I feel like I have 2 main targets at 55. Landon Dickerson or Creed Humphrey. Either one I think would be a bullseye. I would be fine with Josh Myers but it would feel a little bit like a concession pick.


fair enough , nothing wrong with coveting the guy of the future as I do not believe Finney is a " top tier guy" but he is serviceable at both Guard and Center making him a valuable depth piece that is starter capable ..

my point was more of we are not in dire straights if we do not make a selection that fills a O-line spot and I would be fine with a quality pick on a promising young center , I definitely didn't want to do that in round 1 tho ... personally cant get the secondary out of my head tho ... with no 5th year option given to Edmunds I would love to find his replacement sooner rather than later and Moehrig would have been perfect that said he doesn't last that long ... but its fun to consider the sort of things they could have done with a puzzle piece like him lining up with Minkah ... but I digress

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

fair enough , nothing wrong with coveting the guy of the future as I do not believe Finney is a " top tier guy" but he is serviceable at both Guard and Center making him a valuable depth piece that is starter capable ..

my point was more of we are not in dire straights if we do not make a selection that fills a O-line spot and I would be fine with a quality pick on a promising young center , I definitely didn't want to do that in round 1 tho ... personally cant get the secondary out of my head tho ... with no 5th year option given to Edmunds I would love to find his replacement sooner rather than later and Moehrig would have been perfect that said he doesn't last that long ... but its fun to consider the sort of things they could have done with a puzzle piece like him lining up with Minkah ... but I digress

I agree, not in dire straights as a lot of people want to believe. They have enough to put together a good line, but not a lot of depth IMO.

Pouncey, Big Al and Feiler leave, but they add nfl veterans like Joe Haeg, BJ Finney and Aviante Collins. I still think they need more talent in the room to make for better competition and future planning, but the sky isnt falling if they draft a CB or TE in round 2.

[Born2Steel]

fair enough , nothing wrong with coveting the guy of the future as I do not believe Finney is a " top tier guy" but he is serviceable at both Guard and Center making him a valuable depth piece that is starter capable ..

my point was more of we are not in dire straights if we do not make a selection that fills a O-line spot and I would be fine with a quality pick on a promising young center , I definitely didn't want to do that in round 1 tho ... personally cant get the secondary out of my head tho ... with no 5th year option given to Edmunds I would love to find his replacement sooner rather than later and Moehrig would have been perfect that said he doesn't last that long ... but its fun to consider the sort of things they could have done with a puzzle piece like him lining up with Minkah ... but I digress

For the secondary there are a few names I really like. Asante Samuel Jr FSU, Shaun Wade OSU, Israel Mukuamu SC, Tre Norwood OK, Jevon Holland OR, Talanoa Hufanga USC, Divine Deablo VaTech, Tariq Thompson SDSU, Darren Hall SDSU. Should be a few to choose from this year. Whoever they select will backup and play ST primarily this season.

[st33lersguy]

You can't exit day 2 of the draft without addressing o-line. I'll relent and say that if they go OL in round 3 and say CB in round 2 it will be acceptable, but O-line needs to be addressed on tonight. Guard I'll give is in ok position with Dotson, DeCastro, and Finney, even if DeCastro is starting to regress a little, but center you need a starter. BJ Finney is not caliber center, he's not Sean Mahan bad, but they need upgrade. Tackle, at the very least they need depth, and Chuks and Banner are both question marks (especially with Banner coming off a torn ACL). Keeping in mind that they lost 3 starters in free agency and only replaced them with Finney and some scrubs and yeah it's imperative that they draft. Plus C and OT are probably where the value is going to be at pick 55 anyway

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

It’s likely that C is the only position that’s drafted and will actually start next year. I say they go C in R2 and OT in R3. I won’t be surprised if they trade up to get their next HOF center.

IDK, if they draft Meinarz, then its a big jump from DIII Wisconsin-Whitewater in 2019 at Guard (they didnt play football in 2020) to starting in the NFL at C, where he has to call out the defensive fronts, counts, identify the Mike and any protection adjustments. I think there is a good chance that Finney earns the starting spot, as a younger guy adjusts to the role, especially if its a guy that hasnt played much Center before.

[teegre]

IDK, if they draft Meinarz, then its a big jump from DIII Wisconsin-Whitewater in 2019 at Guard (they didnt play football in 2020) to starting in the NFL at C, where he has to call out the defensive fronts, counts, identify the Mike and any protection adjustments. I think there is a good chance that Finney earns the starting spot, as a younger guy adjusts to the role, especially if its a guy that hasnt played much Center before.

So... your'e saying... there's a chance. :lol:

[BlackAndGold]

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[teegre]

Here is a mock draft for Day 2:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-day-2-nfl-mock-draft-kyle-trask-lands-in-nfc-east-panthers-pick-left-tackle-for-sam-darnold/

R2: Creed Humphrey, OC**, Oklahoma
R3: James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati

**Interesting, because ZERO centers got picked before 55. :nod: Also, no Dickerson in R2 or R3.


ZIERLEIN
Another one (R2 and R3 are separate).

https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-day-2-mock-buccaneers-snag-quarterback-kyle-trask-in-second-round
https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-day-2-mock-packers-scoop-up-wr-tutu-atwell-for-aaron-rodgers-in-t

R2: Creed Humphrey, OC, Oklahoma
R3: Stone Forsythe, OT, Florida

Two guys who have been linked to the Steelers a LOT. Oh, and again, ZERO centers went before 55. :nod: This time, the Ravens get Dickerson in R3. :yuck2:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Here is a mock draft for Day 2:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-day-2-nfl-mock-draft-kyle-trask-lands-in-nfc-east-panthers-pick-left-tackle-for-sam-darnold/

R2: Creed Humphrey, OC**, Oklahoma
R3: James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati

**Interesting, because ZERO centers got picked before 55. :nod: Also, no Dickerson in R2 or R3.


ZIERLEIN
Another one (R2 and R3 are separate).

https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-day-2-mock-buccaneers-snag-quarterback-kyle-trask-in-second-round
https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-day-2-mock-packers-scoop-up-wr-tutu-atwell-for-aaron-rodgers-in-t

R2: Creed Humphrey, OC, Oklahoma
R3: Stone Forsythe, OT, Florida

Two guys who have been linked to the Steelers a LOT. Oh, and again, ZERO centers went before 55. :nod: This time, the Ravens get Dickerson in R3. :yuck2:

You should check out ESPN. He has mocked Dickerson to the Giants, Humphrey to the Bears, Meinarz to the Steelers.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31359024/round-2-nfl-mock-draft-best-available-prospects-plus-predictions-best-fits-elijah-moore-asante-samuel-jr-more

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I am going to take a guess and say that Dickerson actually gets drafted in the 3rd round.

So many good linemen, WR's, DB's, RB's, Edge rushers available in the 2nd round that do not have the terrible medical history. IMO, the risk:reward starts balancing out in the 3rd round.

[teegre]

You should check out ESPN. He has mocked Dickerson to the Giants, Humphrey to the Bears, Meinarz to the Steelers.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31359024/round-2-nfl-mock-draft-best-available-prospects-plus-predictions-best-fits-elijah-moore-asante-samuel-jr-more

It won't give me access. (Argh, ESPN!!!) Interesting that so many OCs went before 55.

So, if you had to choose between these two: Dickerson or Meinerz?

[Texasteel]

You never know whats really going to happen. However, I do expect that they will grab a OC in the 2rd round if one of them are still there. I also would not be shocked if they draft a corner in the 3rd, and go after an OT in the 4th. eI just have a gut feeling about Jaylon Moore.

Then again, I've read that they had a list of 8 names they would have taken at 24. What if one of those players are still there at when they pick in the 2nd.

Remember guys, you can work for months form a draft plan and a hand full of teems that pick ahead of you can blow it up.

[86WARD]

If the pick is indeed Freiermuth :scared: expect heads to assplode around here!!!

As far as Myers being there at 87... alas, no. A few weeks back, some pundit was talking about the sweet spot for the centers was 55-66. All four would be there at 55, but Dickerson, Humphrey, & Myers would assuredly be gone by 66... with Meinerz possibly creeping in there, as well.

I’m not sure why they chose that last number (66), but they specifically stated that the Steelers would “have their choice” of the top OCs at 55.

I’m good with that.

#DraftCreed!

[86WARD]

I guess I am in the minority on this ...

Banner was the week 1 starter last year he won that job in camp at RT he will resume that role in 2021 and he is a mountain of a man in the best shape of his life reports claim ...

Decastro is decastro ... rock solid at RG

Finney played well in place of Pouncey before no reason to think he wont again , and if Honest Pouncey the last 2 years was not the all pro he once was his play declined

Dotson is gonna be a beast he played well as a rookie and that arrow is pointed up

Chuks proved he belongs if the move to LT doesn't hinder him any it will actually be an upgrade over AV...


so where is this line any worse than the last few years ??

one could argue its going to be better ...

I could see them drafting a Center and a swing tackle but I do not believe its imperative for success either

That’s kinda what I was saying earlier. We don’t know how these guys will operate as a run blocking unit. They may be quite serviceable and “quite serviceable” may be all they need with Harris back there and Ben back there...

[hawaiiansteeler]

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame
Azeez Ojulari, DE/OLB, Georgia
Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State
Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State
Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida
Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State
Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU
Landon Dickerson, C Alabama
Creed Humphrey, C Oklahoma
Quinn Meinerz, C Wisconsin-Whitewater
Jalen Mayfield, OT, Michigan
Dillon Radunz OT N Dakota St
Jevon Holland, S, Oregon
Christian Barmore, DE/DT, Alabama
Jackson Carman, G/OT, Clemson
Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia
Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame
Samuel Cosmi, OT Texas
Dayo Odeyingbo, DE/DT, Vanderbilt
Carlos Basham, DE/DT, Wake Forest
Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington
Spencer Brown, OT, Northern Iowa
Jabril Cox, LB, LSU
Richie Grant, S, Central Florida
Elijah Molden, CB Washington

[BlackAndGold]

gut feeling, they really like both Dickerson and Freiermuth.

Yep.

[Shoes]

Agreed, I could see a C but I think if Freirmuth is there at 55 he will be a Steeler.

Thank you! :chuckle: