Vince Williams re-signs with Steelers

[hawaiiansteeler]

Vince Williams re-signs with Steelers

https://nfltraderumors.co/steelers-re-sign-lb-vince-williams/

[Mojouw]

Another Colbert pre-draft special.

[teegre]

I am assuming that they presented the same contract to both Bince and Avery... the first to sign gets the spot on the roster.

[Dreegking]

Well, He understands his role is changing. Back to support and backup and ST contributor. For which is ideal at this point in his career. A great guy to have on the team. He can thump on short run downs. Nice package addition. Time and space and place.

[DesertSteel]

I am assuming that they presented the same contract to both Bince and Avery... the first to sign gets the spot on the roster.
Williams is the better player IMO.

[teegre]

Williams is the better player IMO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk

[Born2Steel]

YES! VW and Bush are awesome together!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk

Likely because they dont need a pair of 2 down ILB's that are not great in pass coverage on the roster. Or maybe they want that, but I am not sure why. Its almost like having 2 FB's.

[hawaiiansteeler]

who do you think will win the ILB starting position next to Bush:

Williams or Spillane?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

who do you think will win the ILB starting position next to Bush:

Williams or Spillane?

Williams listed as starter, but all depends if the opposing offense opens up in 22, 12, 11 personnel packages. Both have their strengths.

[st33lersguy]

Good news. Reportedly he had other offers, they're lucky he likes it here so much

[BlackAndGold]

Gut feeling this was going to happen. Glad it happened.

Williams still one hell of a run defender. I got a little nervous when it looked like both Williams and Alualu were gone, run defense personnel would have been questionable.

[86WARD]

Don’t mind this at all.

[tube517]

Might be Bince's last year. He wants to go into coaching.


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[EzraTank]

We let's hope Bush is ready. I'm on the fence about Bince vs Avery. I think Williamson COULD be the better player but wasn't last year. But let's not forget we didn't get Williamson until mid season so it's unfair to expect him to know our defense. I was kind of hoping to resign him instead and give him a full camp/year to see what he can do. He's two years younger and a littler faster than Bince but oh well getting Bince back (at a better price) isn't the end of the world. But like I said I hope Bush is ready come September.

Tomorrow's news ... STEVE NELSON resigns?

[one side only]

Vince Williams' better days are behind him. I'd rather have a rookie.

[Steeler-in-west]

Defense is almost set, we just need another edge rusher to backup highsmith and a rookie corner (as precarious as that has been)

[DesertSteel]

Defense is almost set, we just need another edge rusher to backup highsmith and a rookie corner (as precarious as that has been)
Even a broken clock...

[Steeler-in-west]

Even a broken clock...

Not sure what you mean, but an inside line backing group of bush, Spillane and VW looks good

[DesertSteel]

Not sure what you mean, but an inside line backing group of bush, Spillane and VW looks good
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Meaning eventually the Steelers will draft a CB that can play.

[Steeler-in-west]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Meaning eventually the Steelers will draft a CB that can play.

Right, Sutton does give a little reason to hope

[teegre]

Likely because they dont need a pair of 2 down ILB's that are not great in pass coverage on the roster. Or maybe they want that, but I am not sure why. Its almost like having 2 FB's.

After a season when Marcus Allen started at ILB, I’ll gladly take the depth.

Bush, Spillane, Bince, Williamson... plus, a rookie.

[teegre]

Vince Williams' better days are behind him. I'd rather have a rookie.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The Steelers have met with 10 ILBs. For the early rounds:

Nick Bolton, Mizzou
Zaven Collins, Tulsa
Micah Parsons, Penn St.
JOK, Notre Dame
Baron Browning, Ohio St.

For the later rounds, the Steelers have met with:

Chazz Surratt, North Carolina
Jabril Cox, LSU
Dylan Moses, ‘Bama
Pete Werner, Ohio St.
Cameron McGrone, Michigan

[Texasteel]

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The Steelers have met with 10 ILBs. For the early rounds:

Nick Bolton, Mizzou
Zaven Collins, Tulsa
Micah Parsons, Penn St.
JOK, Notre Dame
Baron Browning, Ohio St.

For the later rounds, the Steelers have met with:

Chazz Surratt, North Carolina
Jabril Cox, LSU
Dylan Moses, ‘Bama
Pete Werner, Ohio St.
Cameron McGrone, Michigan


Maybe because I'm a Big 10 fan, but I love the idea of Parsons, he likely won't be there anyway.

For some reason my wandering eye keeps landing on Moses. even though he needs some work on pass coverage.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

After a season when Marcus Allen started at ILB, I’ll gladly take the depth.

Bush, Spillane, Bince, Williamson... plus, a rookie.

I think they are still looking at guys like Kilebrew, Brooks as that hybrid LB too. Still no idea if Ulysses Gilbert is healthy yet either.

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Maybe because I'm a Big 10 fan, but I love the idea of Parsons, he likely won't be there anyway.

For some reason my wandering eye keeps landing on Moses. even though he needs some work on pass coverage.

I think somebody drafts Moses in round 2 and in a 2 or 3 years he will be getting recognition for pro bowls.

[teegre]

Maybe because I'm a Big 10 fan, but I love the idea of Parsons, he likely won't be there anyway.

For some reason my wandering eye keeps landing on Moses. even though he needs some work on pass coverage.

The guy that you got me interested in is Jabril Cox.

352 coverage snaps
41 targets
0 TDs allowed
0 penalties
3 INTs

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I think they are still looking at guys like Kilebrew, Brooks as that hybrid LB too. Still no idea if Ulysses Gilbert is healthy yet either.

True. Killabrew was listed as a LB on the Lions' depth chart.

[one side only]

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The Steelers have met with 10 ILBs. For the early rounds:

Nick Bolton, Mizzou
Zaven Collins, Tulsa
Micah Parsons, Penn St.
JOK, Notre Dame
Baron Browning, Ohio St.

For the later rounds, the Steelers have met with:

Chazz Surratt, North Carolina
Jabril Cox, LSU
Dylan Moses, ‘Bama
Pete Werner, Ohio St.
Cameron McGrone, Michigan

I agree, but the popular narrative is they don't have to draft an Inside Linebacker. I'd rather the Steelers felt that they had to draft one, and plug him into the lineup right away. The presence is Williams hinders this, and for what? So we can watch him not cover receivers?

[teegre]

I agree, but the popular narrative is they don't have to draft an Inside Linebacker. I'd rather the Steelers felt that they had to draft one, and plug him into the lineup right away. The presence is Williams hinders this, and for what? So we can watch him not cover receivers?

They re-signed Bince... and they met with 10 ILBs. I would say that the latter is more of an indicator of their plans in the draft.

[Born2Steel]

They re-signed Bince... and they met with 10 ILBs. I would say that the latter is more of an indicator of their plans in the draft.

Yep. I would bet on JOK or one of the OSU guys, Browning or Werner. I know nothing on Cox since the beginning of the off season. Tony Fields Jr is the WV 'darkhorse'.

I think an OLB will get drafted as well. I really like Patrick Johnson from Tulane and think he fits right in with how the Steelers use their OLBs. Probably a 4th round guy.

I just like too many players that will most likely be gone at pick 216 in the 6th round. Not enough picks in the first 5 to get them all.

[teegre]

Yep. I would bet on JOK or one of the OSU guys, Browning or Werner. I know nothing on Cox since the beginning of the off season. Tony Fields Jr is the WV 'darkhorse'.

Fields fits the criteria that Tomlin almost always adds a Mountaineer. :nod:

[SteelMember]

They re-signed Bince... and they met with 10 ILBs. I would say that the latter is more of an indicator of their plans in the draft.

Right... they covered the need with Vince.
There's nothing to say we don't draft one... And when we do, there's no guarantee Vince even stays on the roster.

[Dwinsgames]

Right, Sutton does give a little reason to hope

pretty much the whole world knew sutton could play before we drafted him .. if he had come out the year earlier may have been a late 1st round pick ...

[Dwinsgames]

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The Steelers have met with 10 ILBs. For the early rounds:

Nick Bolton, Mizzou
Zaven Collins, Tulsa
Micah Parsons, Penn St.
JOK, Notre Dame
Baron Browning, Ohio St.

For the later rounds, the Steelers have met with:

Chazz Surratt, North Carolina
Jabril Cox, LSU
Dylan Moses, ‘Bama
Pete Werner, Ohio St.
Cameron McGrone, Michigan

Put me down for the bold red ... this kid has a chance to be a very good 3 down LB and I would love to get him in the Black-n- Gold

[teegre]

On the topic of Bince...

1) He had the most TFLs in his career (14), which was 6th best in the NFL.

2) In the run-first AFC North, where you play the Ravens and the Browns twice each, having a run-stuffing ILB (backup or starter) is crucial.

[Dwinsgames]

On the topic of Bince...

1) He had the most TFLs in his career (14), which was 6th best in the NFL.

2) In the run-first AFC North, where you play the Ravens and the Browns twice each, having a run-stuffing ILB (backup or starter) is crucial.

and he creates pressure from the interior spot , you can not discount him coming at any given time if you are the opponent ... not he isnt TJ Watt and you do not have to game plan to stop him but you better not forget about him either ... as long as he is playing downhill he is great , if you ask him to operate out in space that is where the trouble begins the further he is from the LOS the less effective he becomes

[teegre]

and he creates pressure from the interior spot , you can not discount him coming at any given time if you are the opponent ... not he isnt TJ Watt and you do not have to game plan to stop him but you better not forget about him either ... as long as he is playing downhill he is great , if you ask him to operate out in space that is where the trouble begins the further he is from the LOS the less effective he becomes

100%!!!

There was a stat from the last few seasons (I posted it, but I cannot find it right now)... but, basically, Bince had the most pressures and sacks from any ILB in the league. Not too shabby.

[pczach]

and he creates pressure from the interior spot , you can not discount him coming at any given time if you are the opponent ... not he isnt TJ Watt and you do not have to game plan to stop him but you better not forget about him either ... as long as he is playing downhill he is great , if you ask him to operate out in space that is where the trouble begins the further he is from the LOS the less effective he becomes




The difference is Williams gets his pressure from scheme, not from lining up and beating the man in front of him. It's the scheme that creates the pressure. Sure, some players are better at it than others with their feel for it and timing, but they are just a cog in the machine. TJ Watt lines up and the guy across from him knows exactly what he's trying to do. That opposing player knows the play that has been called. He knows the blocking scheme. He may even be getting help from a TE or a back.....and Watt finds a way to defeat that blocker regardless of how they scheme him. That's the difference.

I get what you're saying. He's a good blitzer. He has a good feel for it and he finishes when he gets there. But he is a player that needs the design of the scheme to be able to make those plays with designed blitzes that confuse the blocking schemes.

You are right about his limitations in space. They have always been there, and they always will. Those limitations are only going to increase with age.

With all that said, I'm glad he's back. He belongs with this team and is a great locker room guy. In one of the threads when they released him, I stated that people shouldn't be surprised if he came back.

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/32812-Fowler-Steelers-Release-ILB-Vince-Williams

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