Rams trade for Stafford, Goff to Detroit.

[BlackAndGold]

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[Devilsdancefloor]

Wow

[DesertSteel]

Holy cow!!

[EzraTank]

OMG the Rams got fleeced. Two first round picks for a guy who will be 33 at the start of next season plus your 26 year old starting quarterback, who has already been to a Superbowl.

This trade was a Bill O'Brien level of stupid.

[BlackAndGold]

Rams must have been worried about the 49ers acquiring him. I can't wait to see what Watson brings in return.

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Rams officially have a legit QB now. Stafford is going to be fantastic under McVay.

[CV1]

Dang!

He loses his starting role with the Rams, gets traded, Christen Harper going to dump his ass now cause she’s not Midwest material [emoji1787] and <add random insult>


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[86WARD]

Stafford gonna be nice in that Rams offense...

Steep price for stafford. Very steep...however, it’s May not be a terrible price to pay to get Stafford AND unload Goff’s contract. That in itself might be worth a first round pick...lol.

[Mojouw]

Do the Rams even have draft picks?

That's a strong all in move.

[st33lersguy]

Glad Stafford is now on a real team with a good coach but in a Stafford-Goff swap, I figured the Rams would give up far less than 2 1sts

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Stafford gonna be nice in that Rams offense...

Steep price for stafford. Very steep...however, it’s May not be a terrible price to pay to get Stafford AND unload Goff’s contract. That in itself might be worth a first round pick...lol.

Doesn't Stafford have his own massive contract though?

[86WARD]

Glad Stafford is now on a real team with a good coach but in a Stafford-Goff swap, I figured the Rams would give up far less than 2 1sts

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Doesn't Stafford have his own massive contract though?

Here they are:

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Rams wanted out of that dead money
/guaranteed $43M spot and now they are out from under it. I also heard that $19M of Staffords dead money will stay with the Lions.

[Fire Goodell]

This is totally a 'win now' trade. If they don't win a championship in by 2022 it was a waste

[NCSteeler]

OMG the Rams got fleeced. Two first round picks for a guy who will be 33 at the start of next season plus your 26 year old starting quarterback, who has already been to a Superbowl.

This trade was a Bill O'Brien level of stupid.Rams basically paid the price to off load Goff and aquire a guy who could get them past the loss of picks

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[pczach]

OMG the Rams got fleeced. Two first round picks for a guy who will be 33 at the start of next season plus your 26 year old starting quarterback, who has already been to a Superbowl.

This trade was a Bill O'Brien level of stupid.



They are ready to win now. They are taking their shot by getting a quarterback they think can get them where they want to go.

It is a lot to give up, but if they win a super bowl while they have Donald and that defense, while getting a QB that can take advantage of the offensive weapons...it will all be worth it.

[Shoes]

This is totally a 'win now' trade. If they don't win a championship in by 2022 it was a waste

Steep indeed, but I like the boldness. Why not if you think you have all the parts to make it work.

[86WARD]

Also kept the 49ers from trading for Stafford...

[Born2Steel]

"Can't you see this is the last act of a desperate man?"

[86WARD]

Do the Rams even have draft picks?

That's a strong all in move.

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[tube517]

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Has the ghost of George Allen come back? Damn, he used to do this w/the over the hill gang ForeSkins.

[86WARD]

Has the ghost of George Allen come back? Damn, he used to do this w/the over the hill gang ForeSkins.

It’s quite amazing.

[st33lersguy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, in addition to the Goff, do the Lions get the 2 1st round picks and in exchange give up Stafford and take on most of the cap hits for both contracts this year?

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

OMG the Rams got fleeced. Two first round picks for a guy who will be 33 at the start of next season plus your 26 year old starting quarterback, who has already been to a Superbowl.

This trade was a Bill O'Brien level of stupid.


Agree 100%. Where are people getting that Stafford is some kind of elite QB? He has never won a playoff game; Goff has won 3. He has had two top 10 offenses in 10 years; Goff also but in 5 years. He has one Pro Bowl appearance; Goff has two.

Stafford may be marginally better than Goff but in no way is he worth a 1st round pick more let alone 2.

Rams were fleeced ;)

[86WARD]

Correct me if I'm wrong, in addition to the Goff, do the Lions get the 2 1st round picks and in exchange give up Stafford and take on most of the cap hits for both contracts this year?

I believe that the Lions get Goff, his cap hit and contract, the three draft picks and $19M cap hit of Matt Stafford from what I’ve heard.

This is kind of a good deal in a way for the Rams in several ways:

- They upgrade the QB position in a “win now” mentality.
- They keep Stafford from being traded to the 49ers.
- They unload a player that they were seriously tied to and didn’t want.
- Maybe most importantly, they unload Goff’s contract.

That alone might be worth what they gave up.

[cubanstogie]

Agree 100%. Where are people getting that Stafford is some kind of elite QB? He has never won a playoff game; Goff has won 3. He has had two top 10 offenses in 10 years; Goff also but in 5 years. He has one Pro Bowl appearance; Goff has two.

Stafford may be marginally better than Goff but in no way is he worth a 1st round pick more let alone 2.

Rams were fleeced ;)
I agree, Stafford is not going to have anymore weapons in LA than he did in Detroit. They do have the D now though. Hard to believe a guy with mediocre record is all of a sudden going to win playoff games after 12 years in league. He is tough and likable but not worth the 2 first rounders for a older QB with a ton of miles on him. So Goff read D’s fine for a couple of years but now can’t. IMO with lack of running game and stud receivers he couldn’t carry the load. don’t see stafford doing it either

[86WARD]

I agree, Stafford is not going to have anymore weapons in LA than he did in Detroit. They do have the D now though. Hard to believe a guy with mediocre record is all of a sudden going to win playoff games after 12 years in league. He is tough and likable but not worth the 2 first rounders for a older QB with a ton of miles on him. So Goff read D’s fine for a couple of years but now can’t. IMO with lack of running game and stud receivers he couldn’t carry the load. don’t see stafford doing it either

From what I have read and listened to, Goff never read Defenses. Teams figured it out and then started confusing McVay so he couldn’t relay the defenses to him in time. Stafford is by far the more talented player.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

I agree, Stafford is not going to have anymore weapons in LA than he did in Detroit. They do have the D now though. Hard to believe a guy with mediocre record is all of a sudden going to win playoff games after 12 years in league. He is tough and likable but not worth the 2 first rounders for a older QB with a ton of miles on him. So Goff read D’s fine for a couple of years but now can’t. IMO with lack of running game and stud receivers he couldn’t carry the load. don’t see stafford doing it either

It reminds me of sports media fawning over Jay Cutler. "He can make all the throws." "No one has a stronger arm."

NFL bias will always be for big QBs with big arms.

[Mojouw]

This is literally the only place I can find that doesn't like this trade for the Rams. I am astounded how many people think Goff is a good starting QB. The upgrade that the Rams got from Goff to Stafford is massive.

[cubanstogie]

This is literally the only place I can find that doesn't like this trade for the Rams. I am astounded how many people think Goff is a good starting QB. The upgrade that the Rams got from Goff to Stafford is massive.
a straight up trade Stafford for Goff would’ve been good trade. 2 first rounders for a guy who’s biggest win is on thanksgiving any given year. 12 years of injuries and mileage another negative factor. Goff is a good starting QB, not great. I don’t know if Goff can read a defense, I do know if Ben can learn over time , Goff certainly can.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

From what I have read and listened to, Goff never read Defenses. Teams figured it out and then started confusing McVay so he couldn’t relay the defenses to him in time. Stafford is by far the more talented player.

Agree. There were 22 starting QB's with higher rating than Goff this season. Goff was just behind Teddy Bridgewater in QB rating and with skill players like Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, Tyler Higbee, Gerald Everett, Van Jefferson, Cam Akers, Malcom Brown, etc. he had enough players to get the ball to.

Rams had buyers remorse for Goff. They paid for a Porsche, but got a Chevy Volt hybrid. This move is to get out from under that and get a top tier QB that has been in a crappy organization his entire life. Just have to see if Stafford can adapt to the McVay offensive system, but Stafford is a much better QB than Goff is proving to be.

[Mojouw]

a straight up trade Stafford for Goff would’ve been good trade. 2 first rounders for a guy who’s biggest win is on thanksgiving any given year. 12 years of injuries and mileage another negative factor. Goff is a good starting QB, not great. I don’t know if Goff can read a defense, I do know if Ben can learn over time , Goff certainly can.

Draft picks are for the future. The Rams are ready to win RIGHT NOW before Donald and Ramsey decline from their dominant play. Putting a QB with the physical and mental abilities of Stafford in a system with McVay is their best hope for having an offense that doesn't fail their defense in the next 2 seasons.

When McVay basically says, I have tried everything I can think of to make Goff turn the ball over less, operate with efficiency, and be able to do something (anything really) when the pocket is even a bit muddled and it has totally failed -- I'm gonna believe him.

Goff turns the ball over at a high rate (29 INTS in his last 31 games!), can not operate under even moderate pressure, has almost no ability to get moved off his spot, reset, and make a positive play. Goff has only 8 game winning drives ever. Stafford has 38 game winning drives, with 4 last season alone. Additionally, Stafford can handle pressure and make plays. He played on a Lions offense with no consistent weapons at times and lots of other missing bits of a real offense and still put up really good #'s. He is going to light things up statistically in a system designed to insulate a mediocre QB.

[cubanstogie]

Agree. There were 22 starting QB's with higher rating than Goff this season. Goff was just behind Teddy Bridgewater in QB rating and with skill players like Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, Tyler Higbee, Gerald Everett, Van Jefferson, Cam Akers, Malcom Brown, etc. he had enough players to get the ball to.

Rams had buyers remorse for Goff. They paid for a Porsche, but got a Chevy Volt hybrid. This move is to get out from under that and get a top tier QB that has been in a crappy organization his entire life. Just have to see if Stafford can adapt to the McVay offensive system, but Stafford is a much better QB than Goff is proving to be.
you fail to mention the draft picks Lions getting. Take Goff out of the trade and it’s still a good deal for Lions. Both teams could benefit. Lions have paid Stafford over 200 million without a playoff win. With 2 first rounders they could acquire a future franchise QB if Goff flounders. Moving on from a guy you’ve paid that much cash to without any success is a no lose situation. If Stafford as good as most of you think then Rams have a solid chance to go to SB and lose to Chiefs.

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Draft picks are for the future. The Rams are ready to win RIGHT NOW before Donald and Ramsey decline from their dominant play. Putting a QB with the physical and mental abilities of Stafford in a system with McVay is their best hope for having an offense that doesn't fail their defense in the next 2 seasons.

When McVay basically says, I have tried everything I can think of to make Goff turn the ball over less, operate with efficiency, and be able to do something (anything really) when the pocket is even a bit muddled and it has totally failed -- I'm gonna believe him.

Goff turns the ball over at a high rate (29 INTS in his last 31 games!), can not operate under even moderate pressure, has almost no ability to get moved off his spot, reset, and make a positive play. Goff has only 8 game winning drives ever. Stafford has 38 game winning drives, with 4 last season alone. Additionally, Stafford can handle pressure and make plays. He played on a Lions offense with no consistent weapons at times and lots of other missing bits of a real offense and still put up really good #'s. He is going to light things up statistically in a system designed to insulate a mediocre QB.
that’s why I think both teams could benefit, rams weren’t going to win with Goff , they may with Stafford. lions weren’t going anywhere with Stafford, but with additional draft choices they could do what Browns have done with all their picks and actually win a playoff game.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

you fail to mention the draft picks Lions getting. Take Goff out of the trade and it’s still a good deal for Lions. Both teams could benefit. Lions have paid Stafford over 200 million without a playoff win. With 2 first rounders they could acquire a future franchise QB if Goff flounders. Moving on from a guy you’ve paid that much cash to without any success is a no lose situation. If Stafford as good as most of you think then Rams have a solid chance to go to SB and lose to Chiefs.

Sure, could be a win win for both clubs.

The Rams are definitely pushing all their chips to the middle of the table and trying to get back to the SB, before they no longer have guys like Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Michael Brockers, Taylor Rapp on defense and have to pay for guys like Cam Akers or Van Jefferson.

[86WARD]

This is literally the only place I can find that doesn't like this trade for the Rams. I am astounded how many people think Goff is a good starting QB. The upgrade that the Rams got from Goff to Stafford is massive.

I think it’s a good deal for the Rams because of what I mentioned in my post above and clearly, the Rams are doing fine, staying competitive, without first round picks...lol.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I think it’s a good deal for the Rams because of what I mentioned in my post above and clearly, the Rams are doing fine, staying competitive, without first round picks...lol.

Mike Tannenbaum said on ESPN that he thinks its a risky move as it provides a tight window to be competitive, because the Rams will need to reload with talent in a couple years and not have the 1st round picks to do so. http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=30815540

Then again, if Mike Tannenbaum thinks the move is reckless, then its probably a good move, since he sucks.

[st33lersguy]

Goff has been propped up by McVay and Stafford has been stuck with such a bad organization. Injuries I think are a concern but overall, I am interested to see what Stafford can do with a good coach the first time in his career

[86WARD]

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[DesertSteel]

I predict that the Lions win the double divorce.

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This is literally the only place I can find that doesn't like this trade for the Rams. I am astounded how many people think Goff is a good starting QB. The upgrade that the Rams got from Goff to Stafford is massive.
I thought franchise QBs were supposed to be able to put teams on their back? Stafford's next playoff win will be his first.

[Mojouw]

I predict that the Lions win the double divorce.

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I thought franchise QBs were supposed to be able to put teams on their back? Stafford's next playoff win will be his first.

And the next non garbage team he's on will be his first. Most Lions wins for the past decade are Stafford wins. It is hard to undersell how bad the Lions have been.

[st33lersguy]

Sean McVay will also be the first decent or better head coach he's played for

[DesertSteel]

And the next non garbage team he's on will be his first. Most Lions wins for the past decade are Stafford wins. It is hard to undersell how bad the Lions have been.
You think if Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Big Ben (prime) or any other QB with ilk went to Detroit that they’d get a pass for 10 years?

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

This is literally the only place I can find that doesn't like this trade for the Rams. I am astounded how many people think Goff is a good starting QB. The upgrade that the Rams got from Goff to Stafford is massive.

You're straw manning opposition to Stafford for two 1sts as support for Goff.

Stafford was rated the 14th best QB coming in to 2020 by PFF which is exactly where he fell for passer rating. Stafford was not top 10 in any statical category this year. Since Goff has been in the NFL Stafford is 23-32.

I'm trying to figure out how the hell Matt Stafford is "elite."

Stafford has even declined. He peaked more than 5 years ago.

[Mojouw]

I think there's a pretty fair sized space to fit Stafford in between Goff and first ballot HOFers that still represents a massive upgrade.

Like Goff has been making the Rams WORSE since the SB year.

[cubanstogie]

I think there's a pretty fair sized space to fit Stafford in between Goff and first ballot HOFers that still represents a massive upgrade.

Like Goff has been making the Rams WORSE since the SB year.
no doubt. Goff needs play action to be effective. has Stafford ever had running game, not that I recall. My argument isn’t about whether Rams bettering QB position. I just don’t think it’s bettering it by 1,1,3 pick when Stafford entering 13 year. Like I already said both teams could benefit, lions need picks and future talent, Rams need upgrade at QB. Can’t wait to see what happens with Watson now.

[DesertSteel]

Stafford is better than Goff. But he’s not better than Goff + R1, R1, R3.

[Mojouw]

Don't forget that not all those draft picks were to get Stafford. Some were to ensure they took Goff and his crap contract. It was basically two transactions. They paid the Lions once to get Stafford. Then they paid them again to take Goff.

Stop viewing Goff as an asset that helped defray the cost of Stafford. Goff was, to the Rams, a toxic asset they were eager to dump.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Don't forget that not all those draft picks were to get Stafford. Some were to ensure they took Goff and his crap contract. It was basically two transactions. They paid the Lions once to get Stafford. Then they paid them again to take Goff.

Stop viewing Goff as an asset that helped defray the cost of Stafford. Goff was, to the Rams, a toxic asset they were eager to dump.


First off, Goff is not to blame for the Rams offense entirely.

Todd Gurley put the Rams on his back for two years just like Bell did for the Steelers and Henry is doing for the Titans.

The Rams' receiving corps is underwhelming.

Goff and Stafford are both somewhere around 15th best QB in the NFL. Anyone who thinks Stafford is going to light it up is delusional. He hasn't thrown for 30+ TD in 5 seasons.

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How about... waiting a year with Goff and then trading him the following year when he is only a $15M dead cap hit for one year?

In the 2022 draft the Rams could package picks and move up. Since Goff is so terrible it would be a high pick anyways right?

If the Rams had been able to get Rodgers or Watson it would have made sense but... Stafford?? A QB who has never won a playoff game is not the guy to pin your Super Bowl hopes on. Back to back years with knee surgeries and will be 34 next year.

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Perception is about personality. I think most sports analysts are idiots. If I didn't I would probably think McVay is a genius and Goff is holding him back. I just watched the Genius use his backup QB on a designed run resulting in him getting concussed for a gain of 2 yards, forcing his starter QB to play with a broken thumb.

Then he trades his starter for a marginally better but older and injured player while sacrificing the Rams' future.

[Mojouw]

That's a lot of words to say everything that's already been said.

Whether anyone agrees with the Rams internal evaluation that Stafford is better than Goff, isn't the point.

Once the Rams decided to trade for Stafford, that was the first and the third. Once they then decided that they wanted out of the Jared Goff business, that was the other first round pick.

Whether you or I agree with the evaluation or not, that's the raw economics of the league.

[DesertSteel]

Don't forget that not all those draft picks were to get Stafford. Some were to ensure they took Goff and his crap contract. It was basically two transactions. They paid the Lions once to get Stafford. Then they paid them again to take Goff.

Stop viewing Goff as an asset that helped defray the cost of Stafford. Goff was, to the Rams, a toxic asset they were eager to dump.
And what were the tender hearted feelings by the Lions regarding Stafford? 12 years and a big fat donut had them more than ready to move on.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Whether you or I agree with the evaluation or not, that's the raw economics of the league.

Nope. Smart GMs would not make this deal. Colbert would not have made this deal.

You aren't understanding that I am
telling you that you are massively overrating McVay. You see him as some ultimate authority therefore this deal makes sense. This deal is objectively garbage which time will tell. Goff and Stafford have nearly identical career numbers. Rams spent a fortune to get older and more injury prone.

[Born2Steel]

Imagine Stafford's numbers if he actually had an OL, run game, a number 1 receiver, coaching stability, etc...

[st33lersguy]

Goff has been propped up by McVay. On the flip side, Stafford never had a good head coach in Detroit. Injury is the main concern but this is an interesting pair

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Imagine Stafford's numbers if he actually had an OL, run game, a number 1 receiver, coaching stability, etc...

"Stats are for losers." - Bill Belichick

9-54 against winning teams is one of Statsford's stats.

Statsford put up 22 ppg with Megatron and Golden Tate as his receivers.

NEVER.

WON.

A.

SINGLE.

PLAYOFF.

GAME.

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Goff has been propped up by McVay. On the flip side, Stafford never had a good head coach in Detroit. Injury is the main concern but this is an interesting pair

Nonsense.

Gurley propped up both McVay and Goff.

McVay is an average coach.

[Mojouw]

Nope. Smart GMs would not make this deal. Colbert would not have made this deal.

You aren't understanding that I am
telling you that you are massively overrating McVay. You see him as some ultimate authority therefore this deal makes sense. This deal is objectively garbage which time will tell. Goff and Stafford have nearly identical career numbers. Rams spent a fortune to get older and more injury prone.

McVay has little to do with it. I just think Goff is a bottom third QB. He simply isn't very good. I'm not sure he's all that much better than Mason Rudolph.

To move on from that guy and have the other team take a boatload of guaranteed cash costs a first round pick. That's transaction #1.

Then you have a top 12 QB in his late prime. That's the other first round pick and the third rounder.

Considering someone is going to trade a #1 for Sam Darnold any day now, the above looks like a bargain.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

McVay has everything to do with it. Snead didn't make the deal against McVay.

No one is giving up a 1st for Darnold.

1sts have tremendous value to everyone but the Rams.

Stafford peaked in his third season and wasted 4 years of Megatron's career- Stafford is in the bottom half of NFL QBs.

[cubanstogie]

Imagine Stafford's numbers if he actually had an OL, run game, a number 1 receiver, coaching stability, etc...
detroit’s line was pretty good from what I’ve read, led by one of best centers in the league. They have 3 RBs better than our starter. although AP is old and probably done. besides a future great TE don’t think stafford got much help from receivers though. He’ll have more weapons in LA not sure their o line any better.

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"Stats are for losers." - Bill Belichick

9-54 against winning teams is one of Statsford's stats.

Statsford put up 22 ppg with Megatron and Golden Tate as his receivers.

NEVER.

WON.

A.

SINGLE.

PLAYOFF.

GAME.

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Nonsense.

Gurley propped up both McVay and Goff.

McVay is an average coach.
I agree gurley propped up Goff, play action was his strength. McVay seems to get all credit for going to SB but no blame for offensive woes. personally I don’t know who deserves most credit, we’re going to find out though.

[Mojouw]

McVay has everything to do with it. Snead didn't make the deal against McVay.

No one is giving up a 1st for Darnold.

1sts have tremendous value to everyone but the Rams.

Stafford peaked in his third season and wasted 4 years of Megatron's career- Stafford is in the bottom half of NFL QBs.

That is a unique viewpoint.


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[st33lersguy]

"Stats are for losers." - Bill Belichick

9-54 against winning teams is one of Statsford's stats.

Statsford put up 22 ppg with Megatron and Golden Tate as his receivers.

NEVER.

WON.

A.

SINGLE.

PLAYOFF.

GAME.

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Nonsense.

Gurley propped up both McVay and Goff.

McVay is an average coach.

Well McVay seemed to do better without Gurley this year than vice versa

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Agreed. And the players deserve the credit and that includes Goff.

Josh McDaniels looks like a genius when he is Brady's OC and a retard when he is not.

What is happening with the LAR reminds me of Chip Kelly and Doug Pederson in Philly- McVay seems a total control freak.

Goff is a good guy. He probably has a lot of locker room support. McVay tells the world "Goff and I are tied together" and two weeks later he is shipping him. Goff showed a lot of grit for his team. I'm just not sure the locker room is going to continue to support McVay.

No one is talking about these things they just say "McVay is a genius for reasons I cannot explain and I agree with everything he does so that I am also a genius."

This was a monumentally stupid trade for the Rams. They may as well have rebuilt if Goff is not their guy and they couldn't get Watson or Rodgers. Only had to suck it up for one year.

[DesertSteel]

The more I think about it the more I feel Goff is going to thrive in Detroit. I’ll remember this post come December—January.

[teegre]

Goff was gaga over McVay's girlfriend. Ergo, Goff had to go.

[cubanstogie]

Goff was gaga over McVay's girlfriend. Ergo, Goff had to go.
google goffs girlfriend, wow!

[teegre]

google goffs girlfriend, wow!

How crazy is it that he would say ANYTHING about ANY other woman, when he comes home to that!!! It must be nice to have that much sway. :lol:

[86WARD]

How crazy is it that he would say ANYTHING about ANY other woman, when he comes home to that!!! It must be nice to have that much sway. :lol:

The crazy thing is the two girls look cut from the same mold...lol.

[Born2Steel]

https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/why-lions-matthew-stafford-has-been-underappreciated

Stafford should be better for the Rams than Goff. How Goff will do in Detroit is wait and see.


Further reading if you choose.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-preview/2019/9/4/20848519/matthew-stafford-unique-quarterback-nfl-detroit-lions

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-north/detroit-lions/tyrann-mathieu-says-1-nfl-qb-is-really-underrated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Zcrb7nM0U

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/06/lions-matthew-stafford-stats-underrated-quarterback/

Not to leave Goff out and this be a one-sided post....

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/129182-rams-jared-responds-49ers-shanahan-calling-underrated-quarterback/

https://www.ramsbrothers.com/articles/c4ygp2x8s4rdljhan1q1a37i4o6yfr

https://www.thecoldwire.com/is-jared-goff-overrated/

[DesertSteel]

All I know is that McVay only ever got credit for every good thing that happened with the Rams and Goff only ever got blame for every bad thing that happened with the Rams. Something tells me that there was a more equal sharing going on.

[Born2Steel]

https://ramblinfan.com/2020/02/17/5-reasons-la-rams-offensive-line-goes-from-rags-to-riches/

[st33lersguy]

How crazy is it that he would say ANYTHING about ANY other woman, when he comes home to that!!! It must be nice to have that much sway. :lol:

Btw, his model girlfriend must be PISSED about him moving from sunny LA to stank ass cold Detroit

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

All I know is that McVay only ever got credit for every good thing that happened with the Rams and Goff only ever got blame for every bad thing that happened with the Rams. Something tells me that there was a more equal sharing going on.

Exactly. There are multiple factors in play. Gurley is a big one. Another is that NFL defenses adjust to new coaches it takes a season or two.

Chip Kelly looked like a genius when Nick Foles threw 27 TD 3 INT or whatever. Now he can't get a job.

Every NFL analyst raved about old Chip and then every one called him a laughingstock.

I will say that the AFC has all the best QBs right now with Brees retiring and Brady might retire also and Rodgers is 37. Russell Wilson could be the only elite QB in the division next year but probably Rodgers will be there too. That makes Stafford a distant 3rd best if he is better than Cousins which is debatable. Maybe Stafford can be a medium sized fish in a very small pond for a couple years?

[teegre]

Btw, his model girlfriend must be PISSED about him moving from sunny LA to stank ass cold Detroit

Detroit has underfunded schools, thousands of abandoned houses, tap water that is toxic, and an unfathomsble crime rate. But, Los Angeles has Raidahs fans​. :scared:


Hellllllo, Detroit!!! :lol:

[silver & black]

Detroit has underfunded schools, thousands of abandoned houses, tap water that is toxic, and an unfathomsble crime rate. But, Los Angeles has Raidahs fans​. :scared:


Hellllllo, Detroit!!! :lol:

Hey now!:lol:

[fansince'76]

All I know is that McVay only ever got credit for every good thing that happened with the Rams and Goff only ever got blame for every bad thing that happened with the Rams. Something tells me that there was a more equal sharing going on.

This. McVay is beginning to look a lot like another one season wunderkind (see also: Doug Pederson).

[NCSteeler]

This. McVay is beginning to look a lot like another one season wunderkind (see also: Doug Pederson).I just hope we don't blow $130 million on some one year wonder version of Wentz or Goff

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[teegre]

Hey now!:lol:

To clarify... there are Raidahs fans from Oakland, Massillon, Portland, and Dallas... and then there are Raidahs fans from LA.

In junior high and high school, my best friend's uncle was the former type of Raidahs fan: he had a job, a wife, kids, and teeth. On the flip side are the guys who clog the I-5 south and pick fights with each other on the freeway (no embellishment: I have seen this happen twice).

[silver & black]

To clarify... there are Raidahs fans from Oakland, Massillon, Portland, and Dallas... and then there are Raidahs fans from LA.

In junior high and high school, my best friend's uncle was the former type of Raidahs fan: he had a job, a wife, kids, and teeth. On the flip side are the guys who clog the I-5 south and pick fights with each other on the freeway (no embellishment: I have seen this happen twice).

I know. I've heard the stories on different Raiders forums. There are idiots everywhere...lol.

[st33lersguy]

Detroit has underfunded schools, thousands of abandoned houses, tap water that is toxic, and an unfathomsble crime rate. But, Los Angeles has Raidahs fans​. :scared:


Hellllllo, Detroit!!! :lol:

LA has a lot of problems but at least for a model, there is some scenery and some beaches to take pictures in front of. Detroit, there is no scenery unless you want to make a post-apocalyptic movie or rip off "The Wire"

[teegre]

LA has a lot of problems but at least for a model, there is some scenery and some beaches to take pictures in front of. Detroit, there is no scenery unless you want to make a post-apocalyptic movie or rip off "The Wire"

:lol: Bubbles on even more crack!!!

Joking aside, I’d almost prefer Detroit over the traffic in LA. It’s not just that it’s slow/congested... it’s like it is cursed. I once saw a car on fire on the other side of the median. They had stopped my side of traffic to bring in a truck that was spraying fire-retardant foam on the car. Suddenly, the pressure blew out the back of the truck covering my side of the freeway in foam. So now, one side of the freeway is on fire and the other was flooded with foam. What... the ... EFF!?!

[Hawkman]

I’ve only been to LA twice, but it really does re-define traffic. In places there are twelve lanes, and no one is moving.

[Born2Steel]

I thought Californians biked or jogged everywhere. No?

[st33lersguy]

:lol: Bubbles on even more crack!!!

Joking aside, I’d almost prefer Detroit over the traffic in LA. It’s not just that it’s slow/congested... it’s like it is cursed. I once saw a car on fire on the other side of the median. They had stopped my side of traffic to bring in a truck that was spraying fire-retardant foam on the car. Suddenly, the pressure blew out the back of the truck covering my side of the freeway in foam. So now, one side of the freeway is on fire and the other was flooded with foam. What... the ... EFF!?!

Holy shit

[teegre]

I’ve only been to LA twice, but it really does re-define traffic. In places there are twelve lanes, and no one is moving.

As one leaves San Diego, you leave on regular old freeways: cement roads with shrubs covering the cement medians. Not pretty, but functional... and clean. Plus, no billlboards.

You drive through Orange County, and you suddenly realize what being a higher tax bracket does for everything in the surrounding community. The roads are pristine, and the walls/sides of some parts have mosaics, artworks, and/or patches of well-trimmed flower fields. Obviously, there are no billboards and not a speck of dirt on the sides of the road (let alone trash). I swear that they put windchimes on certain stretches that add calming background music to your leisurely commute.

You get lulled into a sense of false security... because, there like the invisible wall surrounding the OC. When you hit LA county it changes immediately. Smog. Piles of trash bags on the sides of the road. Billboard after billboard after billboard. Graffiti covers every wall and road sign... if there is even a sign (quite of few of the signs are missing which makes finding your exit kind of difficult). Smog. People weaving as fast as they can in traffic that is moving 20mph. There is a county mandate that there has to be one broken down vehicle for every 1.75 miles of freeway (and preferable, the vehicle is in a middle lane making it impossible to be towed in less than 3 hours). Did I mention the smog?

SUMMATION:
I travel through LA only when I absolutely have to... and when I do, it’s on Sunday morning at 5:00am.

[Fire Goodell]

How crazy is it that he would say ANYTHING about ANY other woman, when he comes home to that!!! It must be nice to have that much sway. :lol:

God man, that's 100% proof right there that you can look like a total goofball but still hook up with a 9 or 10 if you got enough money

[j-d-s]

The Lions basically are the NFC's version of the Browns.

[86WARD]

The Lions basically are the NFC's version of the Browns.

Maybe not…

Looks like it could be possible that this trade may have worked out for both teams?

[86WARD]

The more I think about it the more I feel Goff is going to thrive in Detroit. I’ll remember this post come December—January.

…good call…

[polamalubeast]

…good call…

It was not the case at the start but he has been great since last year!