Reports: Former Washington QB Dwayne Haskins To Visit Steelers

[hawaiiansteeler]

Reports: Former Washington QB Dwayne Haskins To Visit Steelers

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — The Pittsburgh Steelers are looking at possible help in the quarterback position and reportedly talking to Dwayne Haskins.

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports that former Washington Football Team quarterback Dwayne Haskins is visiting the Steelers today.

Haskins has also visited the Carolina Panthers.

He was the 15th overall selection in the 2019 NFL Draft.

Haskins has appeared in 16 games with 13 starts for Washington.

He has thrown for 2,804 yards, 12 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/01/21/dwayne-haskins-pittsburgh-steelers/

[Born2Steel]

Just checking if he's willing to run QB sneak.

[st33lersguy]

What, not enough toxic personalities in the locker room?

[Drazo85]

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[DesertSteel]

Personally, I hope they sign him. My opinion is that you draft a QB in the mid-late rounds every year and you also take chances on former first round QBs that are still on their second or third chance (e.g., Rosen, Haskins). If they don't work out, you cut them. They come on the cheap. But.... if they do work out, you set your franchise up pretty nicely.

#signhaskins

[DesertSteel]

I'd be much happier if it was Jameis Winston.

[86WARD]

Awful.

[Hawkman]

No thanks! I’d rather go with Rudolph. At least he acts like he wants to be in the NFL.

[Fire Goodell]

futures contract, i don't mind kicking the tires. I'm glad the Steelers are addressing the QB position as a need though.

[Dwinsgames]

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[hawaiiansteeler]

Steelers Sign QB Dwayne Haskins

The Pittsburgh Steelers have agreed on terms with former first-round pick Dwayne Haskins.

NOAH STRACKBEIN

PITTSBURGH -- The Pittsburgh Steelers are signing former Washington Football Team quarterback Dwayne Haskins, according to Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer.

Haskins, who met with coaches in Pittsburgh on Thursday, will join a quarterback room that features Ben Roethlisberger, Mason Rudolph and Josh Dobbs.

More reports have released that the Steelers and Haskins have agreed on terms to a one-year deal.

Haskins is 3-10 as a starter in the NFL, completing 60% of his passes for 2,804 yards and 12 touchdowns, but has thrown 14 interceptions. He was released by Washington after a video was leaked of him at a club without a mask on during the regular season.

The Steelers are still waiting on a retirement decision from Roethlisberger. The 38-year-old has one year left on his contract.

Head coach Mike Tomlin applauded Rudolph's development in 2020 but didn't confirm Rudolph is starter-ready if needed in 2021.

"I thought he displayed that he took a step in growth and development in his performance, even though it was a small sample size," Tomlin said. "I would imagine that he is going to continue with that growth and development. We will see where that leads us in terms of what he is able to provide us. I'm excited that he was able to display that and I think it is reasonable for me to expect or him to expect that general trajectory to continue."

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-sign-dwayne-haskins

[86WARD]

NFL.com is reporting that the Steelers are expected to sign Haskins after his visit and SI.com is saying they signed him.

[tube517]

Fire Randy Fichtner!

[steel striker]

Damn they signed him! Unreal I don't like it at all!!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Oh well. Reclamation project, with low risk. I dont see the harm, but I bet a lot of that meeting had to discuss his desire to be an NFL QB and willingness to do what it takes to succeed.

I'm fine with it. They got that 1st round QB on the cheap and if he isnt ready to be a pro, then....he gone.

[Dwinsgames]

The Pittsburgh Steelers
(https://www.facebook.com/steelers/?__tn__=kK*F) and QB Dwayne Haskins have reached an agreement on a one-year contract, a source told Adam Schefter
(https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter?__tn__=-]K*F).

[teegre]

Haskins is a weird dude.

He is not angry. He is not an a$$hole. By all accounts, he is friendly and respectful.

But, when asked to learn the playbook, he was like, "Naaaah, I'll pass."

[DesertSteel]

Yay!! Low risk and high reward. What’s wrong with that? Absofeeakinglutelynothing.

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Going online to buy my Haskins Steeler jersey right now.

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Haskins, 23, is represented by Brian Levy, who is also Mike Tomlin's agent.

[BlackAndGold]

It's a futures deal. No downside to this contract.

[Shoes]

Yay!! Low risk and high reward. What’s wrong with that? Absofeeakinglutelynothing.

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Going online to buy my Haskins Steeler jersey right now.

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Haskins, 23, is represented by Brian Levy, who is also Mike Tomlin's agent.

:lol:

[lipps83]

Haven't really seen this kid play. Any upside to his talent?

[DesertSteel]

I'm sure that Tomlin's agent, who is also Haskins' agent vouched for Haskins' intention to rehabilitate his character.

[EzraTank]

I hope he has a daughter that eventually marries someone named Robbins and she hyphenates.

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Seriously I hope this is the first move of forcing Ben to retire.

[dislocatedday]

Haskins is a weird dude.

He is not angry. He is not an a$$hole. By all accounts, he is friendly and respectful.

But, when asked to learn the playbook, he was like, "Naaaah, I'll pass."

I live in the Washington DC area, and this is exactly what has been stated repeatedly by local media here over the last couple years. The refusal to study and learn the playbook is the thing that stands out the most to me, and makes me think that he just does not really like football.......at least does not like it at this elite, professional level where there is much more preparation required.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Yay!! Low risk and high reward. What’s wrong with that? Absofeeakinglutelynothing.

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Going online to buy my Haskins Steeler jersey right now.

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Haskins, 23, is represented by Brian Levy, who is also Mike Tomlin's agent.

Haskins tweeted the signing along with a picture of him in #3. So you could change the nameplate on your old Landry Jones jersey. :eyebrows:

Honestly, no downside to this. Low cost. Steelers have a good enough leadership group to support him where needed and not let anything distract. Cam Heyward is OSU alum. Minkah Fitzpatrick grew up 5 miles away from Haskins in New Jersey, until 9th Grade when Haskins moved to Maryland. Hopefully Matt Canada is around for some coaching up.

[tube517]

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[Shoes]

Haskins just tweeted that he wants #7 on his jersey. :chuckle:

[st33lersguy]

Congratulations to the newest cast member of days of our Steelers

[Hawkman]

Haven't really seen this kid play. Any upside to his talent?

Not that I’ve seen. Washington is basically our home team, and no one around here has any use for him. He was Snyder’s pick. That ought to tell you something. Gets benched then kicked off the team. Disregarded Covid protocol not once but twice. Sound like a Steeler to me.
:sarcasm2:

[Shoes]

I hope he can turn his life around and live up to his R1 pick. It would benefit both parties.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Haven't really seen this kid play. Any upside to his talent?

He was a 1 year starter at Ohio State. Scouts gave some pro comparisons to Dante Culpepper and Jacoby Brissett. An early entry Junior from College, who many thought would need time to mature and sit behind a starter to learn and mature. Washington had injuries and threw him in right away as a rookie, where some think was a bad situation for him.

Lewis Riddick from ESPN, who is a former player, scout and currently seen as a future GM in the league had stated that he thought Haskins was the best QB talent in the draft, ahead of Kyler Murray and Tua Tagaviloa. Size, arm strength, good mobility but not a running QB. He just needed time to learn and develop. Now he may get his chance.

[Mojouw]

I was supportive of the Paxton Lynch signing and feel similarly about the Haskins signing. They are basically a similar profile. Some college tape and scouting reports that indicate they could be really successful at the NFL level. NFL tape and scouting reports to indicate that their work ethic or mental capabilities are preventing that physical talent from showing up on the field.

For the relatively paltry cap $$$ amount and essentially zero risk nature of the move...why not? Worst case scenario, Haskins looks awful at all stages between now and summer of 2021. Then just cut him loose.

[Dwinsgames]

He was a 1 year starter at Ohio State. Scouts gave some pro comparisons to Dante Culpepper and Jacoby Brissett. An early entry Junior from College, who many thought would need time to mature and sit behind a starter to learn and mature. Washington had injuries and threw him in right away as a rookie, where some think was a bad situation for him.

Lewis Riddick from ESPN, who is a former player, scout and currently seen as a future GM in the league had stated that he thought Haskins was the best QB talent in the draft, ahead of Kyler Murray and Tua Tagaviloa. Size, arm strength, good mobility but not a running QB. He just needed time to learn and develop. Now he may get his chance.


interesting considering he was not even in the same draft class as Tua ...

it was Kyer , Daniel Jones , Haskins in the 2019 draft Tua didnt turn pro till the 2020 draft

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

interesting considering he was not even in the same draft class as Tua ...

it was Kyer , Daniel Jones , Haskins in the 2019 draft Tua didnt turn pro till the 2020 draft

Yeah, my mistake. Here is what Riddick thought of Haskins 2 years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMVK_IvEt3I

[ETL]

Haskins is a weird dude.

He is not angry. He is not an a$$hole. By all accounts, he is friendly and respectful.

But, when asked to learn the playbook, he was like, "Naaaah, I'll pass."

This was the one QB I was hoping the Steelers would avoid. Sorry but this guy has a bad foundation. In the short run he may be able to renovate what is on top and be the good student and do something spectacular now and then but as soon he tastes any success his ego will take over and laziness will soon follow. I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong and if I am wrong - I will be happy because the Steelers would have a legitimate talent for cheap. But I don’t think I am wrong. This dude is a bad egg.

[Shoes]

This was the one QB I was hoping the Steelers would avoid. Sorry but this guy has a bad foundation. In the short run he may be able to renovate what is on top and be the good student and do something spectacular now and then but as soon he tastes any success his ego will take over and laziness will soon follow. I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong and if I am wrong - I will be happy because the Steelers would have a legitimate talent for cheap. But I don’t think I am wrong. This dude is a bad egg.

No problem, Steelers have lots of money. Ask Cortez Allen and Ladarius Green. :chuckle:

[DesertSteel]

He was a 1 year starter at Ohio State. Scouts gave some pro comparisons to Dante Culpepper and Jacoby Brissett. An early entry Junior from College, who many thought would need time to mature and sit behind a starter to learn and mature. Washington had injuries and threw him in right away as a rookie, where some think was a bad situation for him.

Lewis Riddick from ESPN, who is a former player, scout and currently seen as a future GM in the league had stated that he thought Haskins was the best QB talent in the draft, ahead of Kyler Murray and Tua Tagaviloa. Size, arm strength, good mobility but not a running QB. He just needed time to learn and develop. Now he may get his chance.
Steelers obviously had him rated high on their draft board in 2019.

[DesertSteel]

Yeah, my mistake. Here is what Riddick thought of Haskins 2 years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMVK_IvEt3I
Wow! I’m even more excited after listening to Riddick rave about Haskins.

[cubanstogie]

they’re proactive, not sure how anyone could be against giving the kid second chance. its not like he decked his girlfriend in elevator or choked her out. If he doesn’t put the time in and progress he’s gone, Josh Allen didn’t exactly light it up right away either. I like move whether it Haskins, Rosen, Darnold or Winston. Tomlin realizes The current depth chart has room for improvement, now we need to clean house on RB depth chart.

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bringing guy in hardly means he’s given roster spot, he’ll have to earn it.

[that1guy]

This team has been a magnet for poor attitude players and under Tomlin this kid won't disappoint. At this point I believe every single Ex Steeler player who says the locker room is completely out of control. I agree with Cubanstogie about the fact that just because they bring him in doesn't mean he will earn a roster spot, it just seems like a worthless addition.

[ETL]

sure - I don’t mind a second chance - but I don’t like what he did with the first chance. He probably has more god given ability than most of current NFL QBs but what is between his head is what bothers me. To go to Ohio St and then be a #1 round draft pick and be an NFL starter and we are still talking about “needing to mature”?!?!

i can’t think of one successful NFL QB who led a team to the SB win because he became more “mature” in his head. There were many who overcame injuries and persevered with bad teams but they all had good leadership skills, perseverance and were not head cases like Haskins. We are wishing on a lottery ticket with this kid. When Ron Rivera gave up on him - he knew what he was doing. We should be doing the same
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[Mojouw]

I mean I know he didn't change teams but I feel like there were TONS of reports on Ben needing to grow up.

[Hawkman]

I mean I know he didn't change teams but I feel like there were TONS of reports on Ben needing to grow up.

Ben banked a lot of equity his first two years. Going to AFCCG game his first years and winning the SB his second. There was never a doubt that he wanted to play. With Haskins I’m not sure.

[Mojouw]

Ben banked a lot of equity his first two years. Going to AFCCG game his first years and winning the SB his second. There was never a doubt that he wanted to play. With Haskins I’m not sure.

No doubt. BUT...assume Haskins wants to and does change in a similar manner that Ben did...then the only real difference is that it took Ben's mouth/ego longer to write checks his arm couldn't cash.

I am no big believer in Haskins. I wouldn't care if they didn't sign him. Nor do I really care that they did sign him. Just (with more than a little snark) pointing out that the idea that who and what Haskins is NOW is not certain what he could be LATER.

[cubanstogie]

sure - I don’t mind a second chance - but I don’t like what he did with the first chance. He probably has more god given ability than most of current NFL QBs but what is between his head is what bothers me. To go to Ohio St and then be a #1 round draft pick and be an NFL starter and we are still talking about “needing to mature”?!?!

i can’t think of one successful NFL QB who led a team to the SB win because he became more “mature” in his head. There were many who overcame injuries and persevered with bad teams but they all had good leadership skills, perseverance and were not head cases like Haskins. We are wishing on a lottery ticket with this kid. When Ron Rivera gave up on him - he knew what he was doing. We should be doing the same
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the odds of him being franchise QB are not good I’ll admit. but having a fire lit under your ass and having Tomlin as motivator could be what this kid needs. At worst he still beats Dobbs on talent and is third string.obviously his attitude and devotion to football will have to get better to get a roster spot. Low risk, we’ll see if reward pans out.

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Ben banked a lot of equity his first two years. Going to AFCCG game his first years and winning the SB his second. There was never a doubt that he wanted to play. With Haskins I’m not sure.
sure but you don’t see guys like Rivers, Brees, Brady Manning and many others riding motorcycle without helmet while under contract for millions of dollars. Ben was a big time meat head. I do think he’s matured immensely.

[teegre]

Here's an interesting tidbit...

Let's say Haskins balls out. Yee-haw!!!... good signing!!! But wait, he is only under contract for one year. Oh no!!!... he is going to sign with another team. Well, the way that this contract was structured, we can offer him his original tender and receive a R1 pick if someone else signs him.

SUMMATION:
Worst case: he costs us nothing
Best case: he plays well enough for us to get a R1 pick as compensation
Fantasy case: he becomes our franchise QB

[Mojouw]

Here's an interesting tidbit...

Let's say Haskins balls out. Yee-haw!!!... good signing!!! But wait, he is only under contract for one year. Oh no!!!... he is going to sign with another team. Well, the way that this contract was structured, we can offer him his original tender and receive a R1 pick if someone else signs him.

SUMMATION:
Worst case: he costs us nothing
Best case: he plays well enough for us to get a R1 pick as compensation
Fantasy case: he becomes our franchise QB

QB speculation should be the business all NFL teams are in. Few are. I'd roster about 5-6 every off season and see what happens.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Alex Smith hopeful Dwayne Haskins can eliminate distractions

Posted by Curtis Crabtree on January 21, 2021

USA TODAY Sports

If Dwayne Haskins is going to become a successful NFL quarterback, Alex Smith says he needs to eliminate the distractions keeping him from reaching his potential on the field.

In an interview with Charles Robinson and Terez Paylor of Yahoo Sports, Smith said his former Washington teammate is “crazy talented” but needed to cut out the stuff outside the game that is limiting his potential within it.

“The first thing I hope with Dwayne — and I’ve told him this — is you don’t have a chance until you’ve eliminated a lot of the distractions going on in your life,” Smith said, via Ethan Cadeaux of NBC Sports Washington. “It’s hard as a young player, as a young draft pick, certainly as a quarterback thrust with a lot of weight and expectations.”

Haskins flamed out with Washington prior to the end of his second season with the team. A first-round pick in 2019, Haskins drew criticism for his preparation and twice violated procedures related to COVID-19 this season. The second violation, which came with Haskins throwing a party for his girlfriend after a loss to the Seattle Seahawks when he’d made his first start in over two months, was ultimately the final straw for his time in Washington.

Haskins signed a one-year deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers on Thursday.

to read rest of article:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/21/alex-smith-hopeful-dwayne-haskins-can-eliminate-distractions/

[DesertSteel]

If Haskins was coming out in the draft in 2021 instead of 2019 and he'd just had the same season at Ohio State that he had in 2018 and he was sitting there at #24 we'd all be jacked up to take him. Well, he had 13 games for a bad organization and did things unprofessionally. If -- IF -- he's learned from those mistakes, we might have just had an incredible break. It's extremely low risk and potentially extremely high reward. I watched a handful of his games at WSH, especially the last few of his rookie year and I could see the makings of a legit NFL starter. Things went wrong. But one man's trash is another man's treasure.

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QB speculation should be the business all NFL teams are in. Few are. I'd roster about 5-6 every off season and see what happens.
Me too!!! Always looking for the next Kurt Warner (UFA), Tom Brady (R6), or Joe Montana (R3)...

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

So we welcome AB back at the QB position ? I'm cool with it but hope this doesn't mean they won't look at QB in this draft. Dang it draft Mac Jones and we are good for 15 years. That said he maybe worth the gamble for next to nothing.

[Edman]

Maturity is something that doesn’t magically spring up overnight. Paxton Lynch had a similar maturity problem and he still couldn’t break off the practice squad.

I see Haskins staying a headache For a little bit.

[86WARD]

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[pczach]

From the perspective of purely throwing the football, this kid can spin it. He has a great arm, and he has good accuracy. He can flat-out throw the ball.

He isn't the mobile/running QB some people here seem to want. He is more of a typical drop back passer.

I loved his talent, but feared his one year as a starter at Ohio State, and his maturity.

I can't stand when you hear a guy isn't willing to do the work.....but this guy is worth a shot to try to rehab his career. He has a chance to be really good if he completely buys in and wants to be great.

[Shoes]

From the perspective of purely throwing the football, this kid can spin it. He has a great arm, and he has good accuracy. He can flat-out throw the ball.

He isn't the mobile/running QB some people here seem to want. He is more of a typical drop back passer.

I loved his talent, but feared his one year as a starter at Ohio State, and his maturity.

I can't stand when you hear a guy isn't willing to do the work.....but this guy is worth a shot to try to rehab his career. He has a chance to be really good if he completely buys in and wants to be great.


He's got the chance of a life time with Ben retiring either this year or next. He can put his toys away or trash it and join Manziel and Lynch in romper room.

[katmandu]

I loved his talent, but feared his one year as a starter at Ohio State, and his maturity.

I can't stand when you hear a guy isn't willing to do the work.....but this guy is worth a shot to try to rehab his career. He has a chance to be really good if he completely buys in and wants to be great.I believe pczach meant..... Haskin's immaturity. Not maturity.

Anyways, I believe Professional Sports in General really need to incorporate extensive Mental Health evaluations and testing of potential prospective players BEFORE they sign them.

The risks of getting a player that comes into your organization and creates chaos and destruction are way to high. Not only do Team owners risk massive financial losses, but damage to the other player's moral, spirit and team cohesiveness.

EXIHIBIT A: ANTONIO BROWN. Nuff said there. Huh !

Player's Mental Health have been taken for granted and grossly misunderstood for far too long. The time is passed for Organizations to finally take Mental Health seriously.

I would be for him "IF" the Steeler's had a real Mental Health Professional (Psychiatrist) do an Psychiatric evaluation on him. Hopefully, the Shrink would see if this kid is "ok" and HAD the real potential to work through his issues and become a productive member of the organization.

Mental Health issues are no fucking joke and are greatly misunderstood. The majority of people do have, have had or know somebody close to them that is suffering, has suffered from a variety of Mental Health issues.

Roughly 25% (I say a helluva a lot more) suffer from Anxiety and Panic attacks alone. Depression is very, very common in our society as well.

Terry Bradshaw suffered from Anxiety and Panic attacks during his playing days. A number of Steeler's have as well. I'm certain a lot more Professional players do as well.

Remember Limas Sweed ? The kid had amazing talent but he too suffered from Panic and Anxiety and it costs him his career. Remember how people used to dog the living shit out of him here and on other forums ?? Remember that ? Maybe even you busted the kid's balls. People who bully also suffer from a variety of Mental Health issues.

I sure hope Haskings gets help and is able to revitalize his career.

Remember Michael Vick ? His horrific crimes and actions were also a result of Mental Health issues. HE was able to be REHABBED and REDEEM himself. Look how he is doing. He also found Jesus along the way. Which is a HUGE step for anyone.

[DesertSteel]

Why don’t we try mental health exams on cops and politicians first and then try them on men who play games for a living?

[ETL]

Read this somewhere.

Ryan Leaf - lasted 21 games
Jamarcus Russell - lasted 31 games

Haskins - lasted 16 games before team gave up on him

I bet if we took in Ryan Leaf or DeMarcus Russell - steeler fans would be squealing with anticipation of having a glorious former top first round QB in the house. Whatever ... enjoy the what ifs now as that is the only benefit people get with buying a lottery ticket.

doesn’t hurt to have him? - I personally would have wanted the Steelers to pursue Trubisky. I think he may benefit from a better system and better WRs but if signing Haskins deters that - then yes, I think it could hurt us. Opportunity cost.

[86WARD]

The signing is basically at the same risk level as when they sign a player like Tajh Boyd. Without the name “Dwayne Haskins” people run around shrugging their shoulders saying “camp arm”.

Doesn’t matter if Haskins is the spawn of Thanos and the 2018-19 Antonio Brown...the Steelers have little to no risk placing this guy on the roster. There is literally nothing to risk.

[st33lersguy]

I honestly don't expect Haskins to do anything here. I just hope he keeps his head down and doesn't cause any problems. He reminds me of a couple other signings for whom I predict he will follow the same trajectory of

One is Paxton Lynch, the former Bronco 1st round pick with loads of talents but didn't do anything. He doesn't even play

Another is Justin Gilbert who I am sure most people forgotten about. A disaster of a draft pick for the Browns taken in the same round as Johnny Football, they traded for Gilbert for a 6th round pick (which was still too expensive) at the end of preseason 2016. Gilbert was athletically gifted but had character issues and didn't display any ability to play NFL football in 2 years with the Browns. In the end he barely played and was gone after a year

[DesertSteel]

Read this somewhere.

Ryan Leaf - lasted 21 games
Jamarcus Russell - lasted 31 games

Haskins - lasted 16 games before team gave up on him

I bet if we took in Ryan Leaf or DeMarcus Russell - steeler fans would be squealing with anticipation of having a glorious former top first round QB in the house. Whatever ... enjoy the what ifs now as that is the only benefit people get with buying a lottery ticket.

doesn’t hurt to have him? - I personally would have wanted the Steelers to pursue Trubisky. I think he may benefit from a better system and better WRs but if signing Haskins deters that - then yes, I think it could hurt us. Opportunity cost.
And Terry Bradshaw's first 2 years were horrible. His record was 8-13. His TD/Int was 20 TD/ 46 Ints. His completion percentage was 48%. I'm not saying that he's the next Terry Bradshaw, but geez, some QBs need time to develop. And yeah Terry didn't get along with his coach either.

If you will watch Haskins' last two games of his rookie year in 2019, you'll see a lot more ability than you're giving him credit for. Neither Leaf or Russell have any tape where they played well.

[Shoes]

And Terry Bradshaw's first 2 years were horrible. His record was 8-13. His TD/Int was 20 TD/ 46 Ints. His completion percentage was 48%. I'm not saying that he's the next Terry Bradshaw, but geez, some QBs need time to develop. And yeah Terry didn't get along with his coach either.

If you will watch Haskins' last two games of his rookie year in 2019, you'll see a lot more ability than you're giving him credit for. Neither Leaf or Russell have any tape where they played well.


That isn't what most here said of R3 Mason last year.

[DesertSteel]

That isn't what most here said of R3 Mason last year.
I was on Mason's bandwagon until that Cleveland game. I'm somewhat back on... to a degree. TBH, I'd rather go into 2021 with MR than BR. That feels kind of sacrilegious, but Ben isn't taking us to the Promised Land and I'd rather find out what Rudolph can do in the last year of his contract - especially after some QB coaching and a better OC.

[Mojouw]

The signing is basically at the same risk level as when they sign a player like Tajh Boyd. Without the name “Dwayne Haskins” people run around shrugging their shoulders saying “camp arm”.

Doesn’t matter if Haskins is the spawn of Thanos and the 2018-19 Antonio Brown...the Steelers have little to no risk placing this guy on the roster. There is literally nothing to risk.

Nailed it! Just like there was ZERO risk in signing Paxton Lynch, Barrett, Hodges, or the other "nameless grey faces" that they have cycled through off-season programs and training camps as UDFAs at the QB position.

[Shoes]

I was on Mason's bandwagon until that Cleveland game. I'm somewhat back on... to a degree. TBH, I'd rather go into 2021 with MR than BR. That feels kind of sacrilegious, but Ben isn't taking us to the Promised Land and I'd rather find out what Rudolph can do in the last year of his contract - especially after some QB coaching and a better OC.

What I meant was if most didn't give mason a chance being a R3 pick, they surely won't give Haskins any more slack being a R1 pick.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

What I meant was if most didn't give mason a chance being a R3 pick, they surely won't give Haskins any more slack being a R1 pick.

Agreed, but if he doesnt show the upside that so many thought he had, its an easy cut. He was the epitome of lots of talent and upside, but raw...so probably wasnt a great pick at 15, given that several people thought he should sit a year or 2 behind somebody with experience to learn. Below is an assessment by Bruce Gradkowski of Haskins in 2019.

In the same article Todd Haley compares Haskins to Jacoby Brissett, says his deep ball accuracy wasnt great and thinks the best fit for him was a west coast system with progressions.

Haskins has the physical build and arm strength of an NFL franchise quarterback. He can withstand the pounding on a week in and week out basis. In a perfect world, I’d like to see him get drafted by a team where he can sit behind a starter for a year or two. If he gets the right opportunity with the right offensive system he could be a successful franchise quarterback. It would take a few years to learn their system and get the proper footwork and timing down.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/02/film-room-scouting-report-dwayne-haskins-ohio-state

[pczach]

I believe pczach meant..... Haskin's immaturity. Not maturity.

Anyways, I believe Professional Sports in General really need to incorporate extensive Mental Health evaluations and testing of potential prospective players BEFORE they sign them.

The risks of getting a player that comes into your organization and creates chaos and destruction are way to high. Not only do Team owners risk massive financial losses, but damage to the other player's moral, spirit and team cohesiveness.

EXIHIBIT A: ANTONIO BROWN. Nuff said there. Huh !

Player's Mental Health have been taken for granted and grossly misunderstood for far too long. The time is passed for Organizations to finally take Mental Health seriously.

I would be for him "IF" the Steeler's had a real Mental Health Professional (Psychiatrist) do an Psychiatric evaluation on him. Hopefully, the Shrink would see if this kid is "ok" and HAD the real potential to work through his issues and become a productive member of the organization.

Mental Health issues are no fucking joke and are greatly misunderstood. The majority of people do have, have had or know somebody close to them that is suffering, has suffered from a variety of Mental Health issues.

Roughly 25% (I say a helluva a lot more) suffer from Anxiety and Panic attacks alone. Depression is very, very common in our society as well.

Terry Bradshaw suffered from Anxiety and Panic attacks during his playing days. A number of Steeler's have as well. I'm certain a lot more Professional players do as well.

Remember Limas Sweed ? The kid had amazing talent but he too suffered from Panic and Anxiety and it costs him his career. Remember how people used to dog the living shit out of him here and on other forums ?? Remember that ? Maybe even you busted the kid's balls. People who bully also suffer from a variety of Mental Health issues.

I sure hope Haskings gets help and is able to revitalize his career.

Remember Michael Vick ? His horrific crimes and actions were also a result of Mental Health issues. HE was able to be REHABBED and REDEEM himself. Look how he is doing. He also found Jesus along the way. Which is a HUGE step for anyone.


I was implying his level of maturity.

I don't think we know enough yet to think he has mental health issues. Let's just let the kid dive into it and see what he can do. Time reveals everything the team needs to know.

I hope he gives it his best shot and embraces his opportunity. It is in the best interest of both parties for him to succeed.

[katmandu]

Why don’t we try mental health exams on cops and politicians first and then try them on men who play games for a living?Actually, they DO on Cops. I'm former LEO. Been through the vetting process. Don't know how I passed, by I DID ! LMAO !!

I do agree 100% Politicians should be vetted with Mental Health evaluations as well. It would eliminate those that are Malicious Narcissist and those with White Supremacy ideologies. I would expand, by I won't here. You get my point.

For players that are "playing a kid's game". That's great IF that was what all was at stake, but it isn't.

As I said before, look at the damage AB did to the Steeler's organization. All that could have been avoided had AB been promptly diagnosed and treated BEFORE he wrecked havoc. Wouldn't you agree ?

Same thing with this Haskins. Best to get him help RIGHT NOW.... BEFORE he steps foot into the Steeler's locker room. He's already demonstrated a multitude of examples of his mental/emotional health troubles. Far above a young buck's maturity.

[DesertSteel]

I do agree 100% Politicians should be vetted with Mental Health evaluations as well. It would eliminate those that are Malicious Narcissist
So you’re saying we need to start over from scratch?

As to LE, it’s not universal in approach. Some do and some don’t.

As to players, the only thing being protected is the owner’s money so really that’s their problem not mine.

[Born2Steel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN9mu4oTs5w

Now draft Dyami Brown in the 3rd/4th to go with his skillset and compliment with Claypool.

[Shoes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN9mu4oTs5w

Now draft Dyami Brown in the 3rd/4th to go with his skillset and compliment with Claypool.


He's got an arm, no question about that! A real TE is the missing piece. :chuckle:

[hawaiiansteeler]

He's got an arm, no question about that! A real TE is the missing piece. :chuckle:

do you like tight ends by any chance?

one of these years the Steelers won't break your heart :tt02:

[Dwinsgames]

No doubt. BUT...assume Haskins wants to and does change in a similar manner that Ben did...then the only real difference is that it took Ben's mouth/ego longer to write checks his arm couldn't cash.

I am no big believer in Haskins. I wouldn't care if they didn't sign him. Nor do I really care that they did sign him. Just (with more than a little snark) pointing out that the idea that who and what Haskins is NOW is not certain what he could be LATER.

here is my only issue with this ...

1 year deal.....

so here we have a dude who has supposedly ( rumored ) struggled learning the playbook either because he didnt put in the time or he isnt real sharp or some combination of both I really do not know or care to delve into it to make a proclamation of my own ... but signing him to a 1 year deal and straightening him out for some other team to reap the reward doesnt sound like a great idea to me .. why not sign him to same low $ deal with a second year fully guaranteed of 5 or 6 million if he was on the roster at end of camp of year 2 ?? that way if you " fix him" you have time to sign him to a deal long term instead of investing time and letting him walk


cancel that ... see the other posts on how the contract was worded now it all makes sense

[DesertSteel]

here is my only issue with this ...

1 year deal.....

so here we have a dude who has supposedly ( rumored ) struggled learning the playbook either because he didnt put in the time or he isnt real sharp or some combination of both I really do not know or care to delve into it to make a proclamation of my own ... but signing him to a 1 year deal and straightening him out for some other team to reap the reward doesnt sound like a great idea to me .. why not sign him to same low $ deal with a second year fully guaranteed of 5 or 6 million if he was on the roster at end of camp of year 2 ?? that way if you " fix him" you have time to sign him to a deal long term instead of investing time and letting him walk


cancel that ... see the other posts on how the contract was worded now it all makes sense
Do you realize that he'll only be a RFA at the end of that year and if another team signs him the Steelers get a 1st round pick? Does that change your thinking?

[katmandu]

So you’re saying we need to start over from scratch?
Not at all. Just start somewhere.


As to LE, it’s not universal in approach. Some do and some don’t. I have no idea what the Standards are, but I do know there are some.

The LE Community does really need to find a way to root out White Supremacists Cops. I've known a few. Not ALL Cops are good. I've personally known a couple BAD ones.

Bad, White Supremacist cops are the one's who are doing the Brutalizing. They make ALL Cops look bad. Police need to POLICE their own. Sooner the better.


As to players, the only thing being protected is the owner’s money so really that’s their problem not mine.Right. It is NOT our (the fans) problem at all. It's all on the Owners. Like you said, it's THEIR money at stake. I just wish they would do it to reduce the risk of more AB's fucking up NFL and taking away from US (the fans) enjoyment of the game.

[Dwinsgames]

Do you realize that he'll only be a RFA at the end of that year and if another team signs him the Steelers get a 1st round pick? Does that change your thinking?

yes see the final line in that post ( the edit ) ....

makes all the difference in the world

[DesertSteel]

Haskins’ last two games as a rookie last year. Both games I watched. That’s why I’m more excited than most.

https://i.postimg.cc/4d9DBdTs/15-B4-EDE6-F220-43-F2-9516-671-A2116-C61-E.jpg (https://postimg.cc/njnSLnzP)

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Not at all. Just start somewhere.

You have a higher opinion of politicians than I do.

[katmandu]

You have a higher opinion of politicians than I do.That's nice. :rolleyes:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Haskins Insider: 'He'll Make Throws That You'll See The $30 Million A Year Quarterbacks Make'

Washington Football Team Reporter Michael Phillips Joins The PM Team

PITTSBURGH (93.7 The FAN) - Not only did Michael Phillips tell us how great Dwayne Haskins talent is, he also cleared up what actually happened with Haskins and the strippers that got him in trouble with the Washington Football Team. Need we say more to get you to listen to the interview?

to listen to the interview:

https://www.radio.com/937thefan/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/a-dwyane-haskins-insider-tells-us-what-the-steelers-got

[hawaiiansteeler]

Source: Panthers offered Dwayne Haskins a contract. He chose the Steelers instead

BY ALAINA GETZENBERG
JANUARY 21, 2021

Quarterback Dwayne Haskins visited with the Carolina Panthers first, but he has found a new home elsewhere. He has signed a one-year reserve/future contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers after a visit Thursday.

The Panthers previously had him in to meet with the team Jan. 11 and offered the quarterback a contract after the meeting,`per a source with direct knowledge of the situation. That meeting took place prior to the team hiring new general manager Scott Fitterer.

However, Haskins opted to go to Pittsburgh instead, and join a quarterback room that, as of now, includes Ben Roethlisberger. The future at quarterback for the Panthers remains unknown with the most established veteran, Teddy Bridgewater, not guaranteed the starting job in 2021.

Haskins, the 15th overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft out of Ohio State, was waived by Washington on Dec. 28, a day after the team’s 20-13 loss to the Panthers. He was benched in the fourth quarter of that game for former Carolina quarterback Taylor Heinicke.

While he went unclaimed on waivers, the Panthers were among several teams to express interest in the quarterback days after Washington had moved on from him.

In 16 games played over the past two years, Haskins completed 60.1% of his passes for 2,804 yards, 12 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He is 3-10 as a starter.

With Carolina holding the eighth overall pick, they will be out of contention for the top quarterbacks in this year’s draft unless they trade up. Matt Rhule and the Panthers’ staff will be coaching in this year’s Senior Bowl, which will give them additional opportunity to take a look at some of the quarterbacks that will be available later in the draft.

Team owner David Tepper said last month that quarterback is a position that will be evaluated this offseason.

“I think when you get to quarterbacks and NFL in general, you always want to try to figure out: Do you have the best that’s in the position ... right now?” Tepper said. “And that’s constant evaluation and re-evaluation of that. And that’s what we’ll constantly go through.”

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article248407580.html#storylink=cpy

[hawaiiansteeler]

Alex Smith: ‘There Was A Lot Working Against’ Dwayne Haskins During 2 Years In Washington

By Matthew Marczi
Posted on January 24, 2021

I’m not sure where precisely on the list of things Pittsburgh Steelers fans love getting their hopes up about a high-pedigreed quarterback flyer with low or no risk might fall, but it often seems to be pretty high up there. The latest entry into the sage is Dwayne Haskins, a former 2019 first-round pick of the Washington Football Team.

The fact that he was such a recent draft pick and was available to be signed to a futures contract should certainly sent out alarm bells, but of course anybody who has watched him play understands that he has not exactly lived up to his draft pedigree.

Obviously, when you have a situation like this where such a high draft pick at such a significant position is made so readily available this early on in his career, it usually involves more than just on-field performance, and that is the case for Haskins.

Not that everyone has left his corner. His former teammate, fellow quarterback Alex Smith, is rooting for him, and understands that there may have been some things in his way that were at odds with him reaching a level of success in Washington.

“Certainly there was a lot working against him the last two years that didn’t allow him to reach his potential, because he’s a guy that’s crazy gifted. Crazy, crazy talented”, he said on the Yahoo Sports Podcast about Haskins.

“And he’s a good kid. My hope is certainly that—we all have different roads, different paths, and it takes different things for us to learn from and to grow—hopefully this can be one of those experiences for him that helps him get going to wherever he wants to go”.

I would imagine that similar things have been said about any number of young players with high pedigree who relatively quickly flamed out at their first opportunity. For every one who actually succeeds and flourishes with their second chance, who knows how many more never amount to what they were drafted to be?

Of course we’re dealing with people, not statistics, and whatever comes next for Haskins is theoretically within his control. Whatever he needs to work on, in both his professional and private lives, in order for him to give himself the opportunity to have the career that he wants to have for himself, he has the power to make that happen. And really, nobody else does.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/01/alex-smith-there-was-a-lot-working-against-dwayne-haskins-during-2-years-in-washington/

[DesertSteel]

I appreciate Steelers Depot but they can get 10 articles out of one quote.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I appreciate Steelers Depot but they can get 10 articles out of one quote.

especially that guy Matthew Marczi.

remember him? he used to post with us.

[teegre]

especially that guy Matthew Marczi.

remember him? he used to post with us.

Dodens Grav

Wait, I meant: DODENS GRAV!!!

[86WARD]

especially that guy Matthew Marczi.

remember him? he used to post with us.

Who was he?

He may be the worst writer of all time... not a fan at all.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Who was he?

He may be the worst writer of all time... not a fan at all.

I agree, he's also the most argumentative guy you have ever met. teegre and I would catch him defending both sides of the argument.

he posted under the name of DODENS GRAV, total prick.

[Craic]

I'm all for looking at various options and possibilities. In fact, four years ago I argued our front office should fain to keep an eye to stocking up on first round picks because this situation was coming. However, I'm not sure how I feel about reclamation projects when facing an imminent need for a QB.

[teegre]

I agree, he's also the most argumentative guy you have ever met. teegre and I would catch him defending both sides of the argument.

he posted under the name of DODENS GRAV, total prick.

Remember that day that you & I we discussing Mike Wallace, and Dodens Grav did something to piss us off. So, we bumped every single Mike Wallace thread to the first page... and when Dodens Grav logged back on, hes went ballistic. :toofunny: Good times.

[Mojouw]

Who was he?

He may be the worst writer of all time... not a fan at all.

Agreed.

BUT...in his defense, he clearly has the WORST job at Steelers Depot. He is the guy who has to turn out X amount of new content per day to ensure the site is getting enough clicks to stay afloat. So no matter what, he has to put up a certain amount of content. That has got to be tough. Especially when the rest of the staff appears to have exclusive rights to film breakdown, scouting, and salary cap stuff. Take that away, and dude does not have a great deal to work with to create content out of thin air and speculation.

That being said...his stuff is not good and it could be far better.

[DesertSteel]

Agreed.

BUT...in his defense, he clearly has the WORST job at Steelers Depot. He is the guy who has to turn out X amount of new content per day to ensure the site is getting enough clicks to stay afloat. So no matter what, he has to put up a certain amount of content. That has got to be tough. Especially when the rest of the staff appears to have exclusive rights to film breakdown, scouting, and salary cap stuff. Take that away, and dude does not have a great deal to work with to create content out of thin air and speculation.

That being said...his stuff is not good and it could be far better.
How could it be too hard?? We pump out new and exciting content here 24 hours a day!!

And by the way, film content is part of the gamepass package for $99 a year. You get the all 22 of every game within a few hours.

[Mojouw]

How could it be too hard?? We pump out new and exciting content here 24 hours a day!!

And by the way, film content is part of the gamepass package for $99 a year. You get the all 22 of every game within a few hours.

True! I meant that they sent to divvy up types of content at Steelers Depot and Marczi doesn't seem to every get deputed to breakdown film.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I agree, he's also the most argumentative guy you have ever met. teegre and I would catch him defending both sides of the argument.

he posted under the name of DODENS GRAV, total prick.

I recall dodens grav defending his position that Mewelde Moore was the best RB in the NFL due to his DVOA ranking(sp?). It was back around 2007 I recall. The guy didnt know squat about football.

[DesertSteel]

I recall dodens grav defending his position that Mewelde Moore was the best RB in the NFL due to his DVOA ranking(sp?). It was back around 2007 I recall. The guy didnt know squat about football.
Was that on Steelers Fever? I don't remember him.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Was that on Steelers Fever? I don't remember him.

I think it was. He hung on that Mewelde Moore argument because of stats, when nobody would ever have stated he was in the top 20 in the NFL.

[Steeldude]

Haven't really seen this kid play. Any upside to his talent?

No.

[Rotorhead]

Was that on Steelers Fever? I don't remember him.

Yep, he loved him some MeMo, that guy . . .

[DesertSteel]

Yep, he loved him some MeMo, that guy . . .
Ok... btw I was originally PhillySteel on there when I lived in Philly.

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No.
I’m gonna take that to mean he’s going to be All-Pro.

[Steeldude]

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I’m gonna take that to mean he’s going to be All-Pro.

No surprise you would think he will be an All-pro.

[86WARD]

I agree, he's also the most argumentative guy you have ever met. teegre and I would catch him defending both sides of the argument.

he posted under the name of DODENS GRAV, total prick.

I don’t remember that name...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8iNwcGcgQ


Some highlights from 2019 game vs Detroit.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Here is Dan Orlovsky going thru a couple plays with Haskins (2019 pre draft) from his college film, on Get Up. Seems to understand his reads, progressions and how to move defenders with his eyes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZDdkPkLXY

[Shoes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8iNwcGcgQ


Some highlights from 2019 game vs Detroit.

I hope the Steelers picking him up does wonders for both the Steelers, Haskins and most of all the fans! :chuckle:

The kid surely has some R1 tools and looks good for not having much college experience.

[DesertSteel]

No surprise you would think he will be an All-pro.
Only based on your evaluation. The opposite must be true.

[Mojouw]

Only based on your evaluation. The opposite must be true.

Wouldn't put any stock in what dude says. He has repeatedly admitted that he rarely watches all of the Steelers games and doesn't watch other NFL games. So how would he know anything to base his opinion on?

He heard something on the radio or read a hot take on the internet and decided that is his opinion.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Wouldn't put any stock in what dude says. He has repeatedly admitted that he rarely watches all of the Steelers games and doesn't watch other NFL games. So how would he know anything to base his opinion on?

He heard something on the radio or read a hot take on the internet and decided that is his opinion.

he read a Mark Madden article.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

he read a Mark Madden article.
He heard an opinion of somebody that read a Mark Madden article.

[hawaiiansteeler]

He heard an opinion of somebody that read a Mark Madden article.

perhaps Steeldude is Mark Madden's source? :noidea:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Steelers sign QB Dwayne Haskins (1 year): B+ Grade

Dwayne Haskins was an utter failure as the Redskins' first-round pick, as he didn't even last two seasons with his team. He has too much natural talent to not be on an NFL roster at the moment, however, so the Steelers have decided to take a chance on him with a 1-year deal.

Haskins has been abysmal thus far, but he's 23 and still possesses plenty of upside. It makes sense for the Steelers to take a chance on him, given that they don't have a successor for Ben Roethlisberger at the moment. Mason Rudolph and Joshua Dobbs aren't the answers, obviously, and while Haskins may not be either, there's a small chance he can still turn into a viable quarterback.

https://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php

[DesertSteel]

“Haskins has been abysmal thus far”

I really couldn’t disagree more. He actually had some good games.

[Mojouw]

If you read Haskins draft year reports, they sound like a cross of the reports on Fields and Newman for this year.

So a 23 year old guy with that physical talent for nothing but a roster spot to see if you can help him pull his head out of his ass?

I can't come up with why you WOULDN'T take that chance?

[Dwinsgames]

If you read Haskins draft year reports, they sound like a cross of the reports on Fields and Newman for this year.

So a 23 year old guy with that physical talent for nothing but a roster spot to see if you can help him pull his head out of his ass?

I can't come up with why you WOULDN'T take that chance?

absolutely NOTHING to lose but some time invested to see if you can fix his maturity level to some degree ... this is a 23 year old kid ( a very young man ) who here had never done something dumb at 23 my guess would be nobody will make that claim and if they do my next guess is they are lying

[teegre]

I never did anything sophomoric at 23.

I have the scars to prove it. :wink02:

(I once skateboarded down Nautilus Street in La Jolla... “once” being the operative word.)

[hawaiiansteeler]

I never did anything sophomoric at 23.

I have the scars to prove it. :wink02:

(I once skateboarded down Nautilus Street in La Jolla... “once” being the operative word.)

on a skateboard I once raced some friends down Mt. Haleakala.

I was winning until I came around a bend and saw cattle grating about 20 yards in front of me dividing the street. going at full speed, I had a choice of jumping off onto the concrete or hitting the grating.

neither one was a good choice...

[teegre]

on a skateboard I once raced some friends down Mt. Haleakala.

I was winning until I came around a bend and saw cattle grating about 20 yards in front of me dividing the street. going at full speed, I had a choice of jumping off onto the concrete or hitting the grating.

neither one was a good choice...

Indeed :scared:

I made it down safely, but threw my hands in the air in the victory formation... and fell. :doh:

Similar story. We had seen the movie TeenWolf, and decided to roof surf. We found an empty parking lot, I got on top of my buddy’s Supra, and everything was good until he turned. Road rash galore. The funny thing is... I was the SECOND person to get thrown from off of the car. Yep... I didn’t learn my lesson by watching my friend get thrown 15 feet. Nope. I decided to climb on top and enjoy the road rash myself. :applaudit:

[Hawkman]

I usually like to stay on topic but I have to tell a sophomoric “thing” on myself. Occasionally friends and would climb in my Vega (I know), and drive out on the cart path (at night), of our local golf course, ( lights off), stop at the seventh hole, (par 3), turn on the headlights and proceed to have a closest to the pin competition. The day after one such outing, I asked one of my friends if he knew where the green streak on the side of my car came from.......He said, “Yep, the ball washer on number 3”. I think that qualifies.

[pczach]

My list of stupid things that I did when I was young is too long to list here. I somehow survived, didn't kill anyone, and wasn't put in prison for anything.

I turned out fairly OK, and became a reasonably responsible adult.:thumbsup:

This is why I am always willing to give young guys a chance to redeem themselves. If they get a couple chances and don't take advantage, that's on them and I'm OK with writing them off. But young people can turn it around and I believe they should be given that opportunity.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Dwayne Haskins Thrilled To Be A Steeler, Happy To Learn From Ben Roethlisberger

By Alex Kozora
Posted on March 10, 2021

Hopefully a fresh start is what QB Dwayne Haskins needs. After flaming out as a first-round pick in Washington, the Pittsburgh Steelers signed him to a futures contract this offseason. He’ll come into Pittsburgh not as the face of the franchise as he was before but as their #3 QB competing for a job.

And Haskins is happy for the second chance.

to read rest of article:

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/03/dwayne-haskins-thrilled-to-be-a-steeler-happy-to-learn-from-ben-roethlisberger/

[Steeldude]

Wouldn't put any stock in what dude says. He has repeatedly admitted that he rarely watches all of the Steelers games and doesn't watch other NFL games. So how would he know anything to base his opinion on?

He heard something on the radio or read a hot take on the internet and decided that is his opinion.

Says the liberal who is told how to think.

"He has repeatedly admitted that he rarely watches all of the Steelers games"

Lying like a typical liberal. Standard.

[Mojouw]

Says the liberal who is told how to think.

"He has repeatedly admitted that he rarely watches all of the Steelers games"

Lying like a typical liberal. Standard.

Are you really going to make me comb through the archives of this very site and find at least one posting where you wax nostalgic about how the NFL used to be better and you use the fact that you don't watch most other NFL teams at all and do not consistently watch 100% of the Steelers anymore to underscore your point?

It will take me this side of forever to find them, but I know they are there.

But I'm just a low IQ liberal, so what do I know?

[DesertSteel]

Are you really going to make me comb through the archives of this very site and find at least one posting where you wax nostalgic about how the NFL used to be better and you use the fact that you don't watch most other NFL teams at all and do not consistently watch 100% of the Steelers anymore to underscore your point?

It will take me this side of forever to find them, but I know they are there.

But I'm just a low IQ liberal, so what do I know?
Please comb. It makes the forum so much funner.

[cubanstogie]

Please comb. It makes the forum so much funner.
I’m on the edge of my seat! funny thing is I was combing through old posts for similar situation and gave up. very tedious work.

[Hawkman]

Please comb. It makes the forum so much funner.

I’d use a brush.........if I still had hair.:heh:

[DesertSteel]

I’m on the edge of my seat! funny thing is I was combing through old posts for similar situation and gave up. very tedious work.
Too bad the system can’t flag certain posts as NEGATIVE because if it did you’d be able to find all of Steeldude’s posts with one click.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Too bad the system can’t flag certain posts as NEGATIVE because if it did you’d be able to find all of Steeldude’s posts with one click.

That would be cool if there was a filter like that. I would be interested to know if he ever posted something that wasn't negative on here. :noidea:

[Mojouw]

Please comb. It makes the forum so much funner.


I’m on the edge of my seat! funny thing is I was combing through old posts for similar situation and gave up. very tedious work.

I don't know if you all are serious or not. I gave it an initial attempt over lunch and couldn't find the post(s) I was thinking of.

I know I had the conversation with him about this in the last handful of years. I remember it being non-combative and just a difference of opinion on how enjoyable the current NFL was or was not.

I will give it another try if I am up "working" late one of the next few nights. I have no idea if I will or will not be able to find it. But, while I may be a great many things, a liar is not one of them.

[cubanstogie]

I don't know if you all are serious or not. I gave it an initial attempt over lunch and couldn't find the post(s) I was thinking of.

I know I had the conversation with him about this in the last handful of years. I remember it being non-combative and just a difference of opinion on how enjoyable the current NFL was or was not.

I will give it another try if I am up "working" late one of the next few nights. I have no idea if I will or will not be able to find it. But, while I may be a great many things, a liar is not one of them.
I was serious, funny thing is I recall certain individuals stating they don’t watch games other than Steelers, and many others stating out of frustration will turn game off if pathetic performance. I don’t have a clue who made the posts though. To each their own, a buddy of mine only watches Titans games. personally I’ll watch any game if not playing golf, it’s one reason I remember the posts.

[Mojouw]

I was serious, funny thing is I recall certain individuals stating they don’t watch games other than Steelers, and many others stating out of frustration will turn game off if pathetic performance. I don’t have a clue who made the posts though. To each their own, a buddy of mine only watches Titans games. personally I’ll watch any game if not playing golf, it’s one reason I remember the posts.

Sure. I’ll watch any NFL game I can but don’t watch much college ball. Which I try to make clear and hedge any impressions I give of draft prospects.

I don’t care if anyone watches or doesn’t. But I do think it impacts opinion(s).

Example, I watched Herbert ONLY in the Rose Bowl against UW before he came out. I saw a guy I thought was athletic and a leader but I seriously underrated his abilities. I assumed (wrongly) that if a good but not great college defense gave him problems that he’d struggle in the NFL.

[teegre]

Search functions can be tricky. My friend is a mechanic, and he once Googled “messed up tranny”... the results were scary. :scared:

[vader29]

Search functions can be tricky. My friend is a mechanic, and he once Googled “messed up tranny”... the results were scary. :scared:

https://i.ibb.co/PQqkbqK/Capture.jpg

[hawaiiansteeler]

Roethlisberger impressed with Haskins' arm, throwing motion and energy

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/06/roethlisberger-impressed-so-far-with-haskins-arm-throwing-motion-energy/

[Dwinsgames]

I don't know if you all are serious or not. I gave it an initial attempt over lunch and couldn't find the post(s) I was thinking of.

I know I had the conversation with him about this in the last handful of years. I remember it being non-combative and just a difference of opinion on how enjoyable the current NFL was or was not.

I will give it another try if I am up "working" late one of the next few nights. I have no idea if I will or will not be able to find it. But, while I may be a great many things, a liar is not one of them.

to the bold .........

for what it is worth I can agree with this 100%

Me and Mojouw OFTEN have very different opinions on a wide variety of topics ( and thats fine he's wrong of course LOL ) but at the end of the day you can count on a few things with him ...

1) consistency

2) respectful dialogue

3) honesty

not sure its been what 10 years in this forum now but I knew him a half dozen years from our prior forum as well ...

granted its the internet and a msg board setting but I would like to think you can learn a lot about someone in 20k + posts over 15-16 years

[teegre]

A reminder that Dwayne Haskins beat out Joe Burrow at Ohio St. Obviously, there are countless examples of the college “backup QB” eventually having a better NFL career than the college starter who supplanted him; Brady & Mahomes come to mind. That said, it does show that Haskins has talent (in there… somewhere).

[Mojouw]

to the bold .........

for what it is worth I can agree with this 100%

Me and Mojouw OFTEN have very different opinions on a wide variety of topics ( and thats fine he's wrong of course LOL ) but at the end of the day you can count on a few things with him ...

1) consistency

2) respectful dialogue

3) honesty

not sure its been what 10 years in this forum now but I knew him a half dozen years from our prior forum as well ...

granted its the internet and a msg board setting but I would like to think you can learn a lot about someone in 20k + posts over 15-16 years

Thanks! That all equally applies to you as well.

Keep on keeping on!

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A reminder that Dwayne Haskins beat out Joe Burrow at Ohio St. Obviously, there are countless examples of the college “backup QB” eventually having a better NFL career than the college starter who supplanted him; Brady & Mahomes come to mind. That said, it does show that Haskins has talent (in there… somewhere).

Coaches and Ben have been raving about Haskins tools so far in OTAs. Who knows what, if anything, that means...but I still strongly believe this was a "good" roster move by the Steelers. Haskins for some cap space instead of drafting Kyle Trask...I can get behind that.

[dislocatedday]

Coaches and Ben have been raving about Haskins tools so far in OTAs. Who knows what, if anything, that means...but I still strongly believe this was a "good" roster move by the Steelers. Haskins for some cap space instead of drafting Kyle Trask...I can get behind that.

I live in the heart of WFT territory, and my friends and acquaintances here always want to give me grief about the Steelers picking up Haskins, and they say things like "You and your Steelers are going to regret ever signing Dwayne Haskins". I understand they are still reeling from having spent the 16th overall pick a couple years ago on him, and expected him to be the franchise QB right away for their team, but I have to just laugh at them when they say these things. I have to clue most of them in to the fact that the Steelers gave up nothing to bring him onto the team, and signed him to a minimum money deal to see what he might have. He is not guaranteed to be the successor to Ben at all, and he will most likely not even be the backup QB this year.

They all seem to think The Steelers are bringing Haskins in to start day 1........which is so far from the truth. It's a low-risk, potentially high-reward signing. If I was running a NFL franchise and making personnel decisions I would make those types of signings as often as I could.

[Mojouw]

I live in the heart of WFT territory, and my friends and acquaintances here always want to give me grief about the Steelers picking up Haskins, and they say things like "You and your Steelers are going to regret ever signing Dwayne Haskins". I understand they are still reeling from having spent the 16th overall pick a couple years ago on him, and expected him to be the franchise QB right away for their team, but I have to just laugh at them when they say these things. I have to clue most of them in to the fact that the Steelers gave up nothing to bring him onto the team, and signed him to a minimum money deal to see what he might have. He is not guaranteed to be the successor to Ben at all, and he will most likely not even be the backup QB this year.

They all seem to think The Steelers are bringing Haskins in to start day 1........which is so far from the truth. It's a low-risk, potentially high-reward signing. If I was running a NFL franchise and making personnel decisions I would make those types of signings as often as I could.

It is amazing how many people don't get that the Haskins signing was even lower risk than the Jameis Winston signing. Or the Tannehill signing. Or any of the Fitzmagic signings. He was dirt cheap. The only risk the Steelers took on was it is gonna cost them one of Dobbs or Rudolph short term and maybe Rudolph long-term. But that is (more than?) balanced by the fact that IF they cut Dobbs and then do not resign Rudolph it means Haskins is playing up to his vast potential.

How can they lose?

[pczach]

It is amazing how many people don't get that the Haskins signing was even lower risk than the Jameis Winston signing. Or the Tannehill signing. Or any of the Fitzmagic signings. He was dirt cheap. The only risk the Steelers took on was it is gonna cost them one of Dobbs or Rudolph short term and maybe Rudolph long-term. But that is (more than?) balanced by the fact that IF they cut Dobbs and then do not resign Rudolph it means Haskins is playing up to his vast potential.

How can they lose?



Don't worry brother. The negative posters already have the imaginary losing scenarios on speed dial.

They always find a way to make everything a lose/lose scenario. :grin:

[Born2Steel]

When has a reclamation project ever worked out for the Steelers?

This might turn into a fun walk down memory lane....

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1927075-10-best-free-agent-acquisitions-in-pittsburgh-steelers-history
https://www.steelcityunderground.com/2020/07/27/the-best-steelers-free-agent-signings-of-the-kevin-colbert-era/
https://clutchpoints.com/pittsburgh-steelers-5-best-free-agent-signings-in-franchise-history/

[Hawkman]

When has a reclamation project ever worked out for the Steelers?

This might turn into a fun walk down memory lane....

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1927075-10-best-free-agent-acquisitions-in-pittsburgh-steelers-history
https://www.steelcityunderground.com/2020/07/27/the-best-steelers-free-agent-signings-of-the-kevin-colbert-era/
https://clutchpoints.com/pittsburgh-steelers-5-best-free-agent-signings-in-franchise-history/

One eye opening stat that jumped out at me......Webster and Dawson covered the center position for 27 straight seasons. Amazing!!

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2-coSPWUAQsQgR?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Born2Steel]

We may just need that skill.

[DesertSteel]

It's funny how guys like Dulac completely rule out Haskins from having any possibility for success. He's so confidently outspoken about it in his chats. All this is based on his Washington experience. I doubt Dulac watched a single snap of Haskins for the Redskins. It ended bad there, but Haskins had some games at the end of his rookie year where he looked very promising. And Washington is a CRAP organization. I get it that things went bad with Rivera. He's a stand-up guy, but he's never won anything as an NFL coach. He's 83-72-1 in the regular season and 3-5 in the playoffs. It's my understanding that he cut Haskins because of immaturity. That being the case, kids in their early twenties do grow up sometimes.

I'm rooting for him for selfish reasons and also because I like comeback stories.

[Dwinsgames]

It's funny how guys like Dulac completely rule out Haskins from having any possibility for success. He's so confidently outspoken about it in his chats. All this is based on his Washington experience. I doubt Dulac watched a single snap of Haskins for the Redskins. It ended bad there, but Haskins had some games at the end of his rookie year where he looked very promising. And Washington is a CRAP organization. I get it that things went bad with Rivera. He's a stand-up guy, but he's never won anything as an NFL coach. He's 83-72-1 in the regular season and 3-5 in the playoffs. It's my understanding that he cut Haskins because of immaturity. That being the case, kids in their early twenties do grow up sometimes.

I'm rooting for him for selfish reasons and also because I like comeback stories.



Dulac is a wanna be insider , he acts as though he has an inside tract on all things Steelers but the fact of the matter is he knows no more ( and likely less ) than many of us

remember his comments on drafting Edmunds in round 1 ... his answer was no chance

[Steeler-in-west]

if a player needs to jump start their career, Pittsburgh is as good a place as any. Maddox resurrected his career here.

Also, we were able to maximize Martavis Bryant's potential for a few years, no one else has been able to do that, not to mention keeping AB under control - longer than anyone else could.

[st33lersguy]

I don't think there is a question about athletic potential and tangibles, he wouldn't have been a 1st round pick nor gotten another chance without it. The question is all mental based and how he can apply it on the field in the game. Hopefully he's getting the mental game worked out

[86WARD]

if a player needs to jump start their career, Pittsburgh is as good a place as any. Maddox resurrected his career here.

Also, we were able to maximize Martavis Bryant's potential for a few years, no one else has been able to do that, not to mention keeping AB under control - longer than anyone else could.

Tomlin doesn’t get near enough credit for keeping AB from exploding much sooner than he did…

[Rotorhead]

Tomlin doesn’t get near enough credit for keeping AB from exploding much sooner than he did…

Truth!

[Hawkman]

Tomlin doesn’t get near enough credit for keeping AB from exploding much sooner than he did…

Fire Tomlin...he could have done better with AB.:chuckle:

[HollywoodSteel]

Fire Tomlin...he could have done better with AB.:chuckle:

I blame Bruce Arians. He somehow sabotaged AB mentally just so he’d eventually self destruct and be an easy pick up for Bruce to win a Super Bowl with down the line.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I blame Bruce Arians. He somehow sabotaged AB mentally just so he’d eventually self destruct and be an easy pick up for Bruce to win a Super Bowl with down the line.

very clever of Bruce :poker:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

It's funny how guys like Dulac completely rule out Haskins from having any possibility for success. He's so confidently outspoken about it in his chats. All this is based on his Washington experience. I doubt Dulac watched a single snap of Haskins for the Redskins. It ended bad there, but Haskins had some games at the end of his rookie year where he looked very promising. And Washington is a CRAP organization. I get it that things went bad with Rivera. He's a stand-up guy, but he's never won anything as an NFL coach. He's 83-72-1 in the regular season and 3-5 in the playoffs. It's my understanding that he cut Haskins because of immaturity. That being the case, kids in their early twenties do grow up sometimes.

I'm rooting for him for selfish reasons and also because I like comeback stories.

yup, like the Louis Riddick video I put up on post #34, Haskins has really great upside and if he can get started on the positive trend its possible he could be the next Steelers franchise QB. Would be a good comeback story and another testament to the "culture" of the Steelers organization being a positive impact on players.

[Steeler-in-west]

Tomlin doesn’t get near enough credit for keeping AB from exploding much sooner than he did…

no he doesn’t. AB does owe Tomlin and Ben a lot, they helped make him a star, even though AB did his best to sabotage his own career

Regarding the Haskins topic, if I were Mason, I’d be a little nervous going into the new season, which might be a good thing for him. However, If Haskins gets it together mentally, Mason would have a tough time to stay on the roster

[HollywoodSteel]

no he doesn’t. AB does owe Tomlin and Ben a lot, they helped make him a star, even though AB did his best to sabotage his own career

Regarding the Haskins topic, if I were Mason, I’d be a little nervous going into the new season, which might be a good thing for him. However, If Haskins gets it together mentally, Mason would have a tough time to stay on the roster

Don’t you think Dobbs would be released before Rudolph? I imagine they’ll go into 2021 with 3 QBs on the active roster.

Are we’re you talking about 2022? I figure that unless Haskins or Rudolph somehow proves himself as a franchise QB the Steelers will draft someone or make a trade for an established QB.

[lipps83]

I'm rooting for him for selfish reasons and also because I like comeback stories.

That's an amazing thing to say. We have so many stories these days about people that washed out or whatever, I want to hear stories about people overcoming.

Want to stand out?

Inspire people.

I think dogging on others is boring these days. Let's lift people up instead.

[Steeler-in-west]

Don’t you think Dobbs would be released before Rudolph? I imagine they’ll go into 2021 with 3 QBs on the active roster.

Are we’re you talking about 2022? I figure that unless Haskins or Rudolph somehow proves himself as a franchise QB the Steelers will draft someone or make a trade for an established QB.

Your right, Dobbs would be released first, but if Haskins plays to his potential in the 2021 preseason maybe he moves up to the no 2 spot. That might be the end for Rudolph in Pittsburgh for the following 2022 season. I hope Rudolph and Haskins both play well in preseason, we need a good backup or two for a 39 year old starter.

I doubt either guy prevents the Steelers from drafting or acquiring a FA QB in 2022

[teegre]

I would keep Rudolph for a decade… as a BACKUP. He’s great off of the bench. Really. He’s not nearly as good starting (especially for more than a few games in a row). He’s like a young Fitzpatrick.

As has been stated and iterated, there is ZERO downside to signing Haskins. If balls out and we sign him: great. If he balls out and signs elsewhere: due to CBA rules, we’d get a R1 pick for him. If he sucks: it cost us minimally (money-wise) and nothing as far as draft capital.

[DesertSteel]

I would keep Rudolph for a decade… as a BACKUP. He’s great off of the bench. Really. He’s not nearly as good starting (especially for more than a few games in a row). He’s like a young Fitzpatrick.

As has been stated and iterated, there is ZERO downside to signing Haskins. If balls out and we sign him: great. If he balls out and signs elsewhere: due to CBA rules, we’d get a R1 pick for him. If he sucks: it cost us minimally (money-wise) and nothing as far as draft capital.

Is that a fact? Is that because he was a R1 pick?

[teegre]

Is that a fact? Is that because he was a R1 pick?

100%

(to both parts of the question)

[Hawkman]

I wasn’t crazy about the Haskins deal, especially being in Redskin country, (yeah I know) but as many have said, there isn’t much down side. With a more mature atmosphere that he will have in Pittsburgh, it just might work.....but we will once again have to let Dobbs go....and I always like his brain around if not his physical skills.

[HollywoodSteel]

I wasn’t crazy about the Haskins deal, especially being in Redskin country, (yeah I know) but as many have said, there isn’t much down side. With a more mature atmosphere that he will have in Pittsburgh, it just might work.....but we will once again have to let Dobbs go....and I always like his brain around if not his physical skills.

I’m a fan of Elon Musk’s brain too, but I’d rather have him making Teslas and getting us to Mars than taking up a roster spot on the Steelers. ��

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I’m a fan of Elon Musk’s brain too, but I’d rather have him making Teslas and getting us to Mars than taking up a roster spot on the Steelers. �� :clap2:

Thank you. The bottom line is if the QB can play or not, or is a prospect to develop or not. Lots of folks like some guys because its a great "story", but the NFL is a performance driven league, not a Hallmark Channel series.

[Born2Steel]

I sort of equate Haskins/Rudolph/Dobbs to this year's OL when wondering what to expect. The ONLY true returning OL and someone we know and trust is DeCastro.
Chuks is the consensus starter at LT right now but we really have zero history and knowledge of Chuks as an NFL LT.
Next is Dotson at LG who did have some quality snaps and looked good in those snaps but it is such a small sample size, what did we actually learn?
At Center will be Finney or Green. We are not positive which guy will win the job but the hope is Finney can hold it down until Green is ready to take over. Then there is Banner at RT coming off a missed season with his ACL repair. Would he beat out Chuks for that role if that were the battle this year in TC after the ACL?

My point is 'NO' we don't know anything really heading into the 2021 season. The offense is under a new coordinator now. Will this be easier for our guys or tougher? Maybe Rudolph looks like the guy Colbert/Tomlin thought they drafted in the 3rd round with a 1st round grade. Maybe we end up with a 'real' QB battle between all 3/4 backups in TC. We have no idea to almost no idea what is going to happen in this new offense for these players. I say just stay positive until there is a reason to worry. And even then be patient and allow things to get worked out within the team dynamic.

[Hawkman]

I’m a fan of Elon Musk’s brain too, but I’d rather have him making Teslas and getting us to Mars than taking up a roster spot on the Steelers. ��

You really don’t have to be an ass to disagree.

[HollywoodSteel]

You really don’t have to be an ass to disagree.

I apologize. I meant it in good humor. It’s hard to convey tone here.

I don’t necessarily disagree that intelligence is important, but being rocket scientist smart ultimately is far less helpful than the physical QB skills that it seems Dobbs simply doesn’t have. I like him as a person but I believe he’s kind of hit his ceiling, and his ceiling isn’t high enough to consistently win football games in the NFL.

Haskins might ultimately be a total bust, but I think I’d like to see him beat out Dobbs just on the off chance he can hit his potential.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I apologize. I meant it in good humor. It’s hard to convey tone here.

I don’t necessarily disagree that intelligence is important, but being rocket scientist smart ultimately is far less helpful than the physical QB skills that it seems Dobbs simply doesn’t have. I like him as a person but I believe he’s kind of hit his ceiling, and his ceiling isn’t high enough to consistently win football games in the NFL.

Haskins might ultimately be a total bust, but I think I’d like to see him beat out Dobbs just on the off chance he can hit his potential.

The whole "rocket scientist smart" perception is overhyped. Its a chosen field of study, just like microbiology, chemical engineer or electrician. Below is a sampling of Wonderlic scores around the 29 that Josh Dobbs scored and its a mix of a lot of QB's.

https://wonderlictestpractice.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

Some other notable scores are :
Blain Gabbert - 42
Carson Wentz- 40
Eli Manning ----39
Matt Stafford----38
Josh Allen ------37
Jared Goff-------36
Aaron Rodgers---35
Tom Brady--------33
Nate Peterman ---33



Matt Barkley
30
QB


Josh Siple
30
QB


Bill Burke
30
QB


David Klingler
30
QB


John Beck
30
QB


Zach Mettenberger
30
QB


Josh Rosen
29
QB


Troy Aikman
29
QB


Brady Quinn
29
QB


John Elway
29
QB


Andy Dalton
29
QB


Rex Grossman
29
QB


Chris Weinke
29
QB


Marc Bulger
29
QB


Jeff Driskel
29
QB


Nick Foles
29
QB


Josh Dobbs
29
QB


Brian Cook Click
29
QB


Matt Hasselbeck
29
QB


Bill Musgrave
29
QB


Dennis Dixon
29
QB


Jimmy Garoppolo
29
QB




In the end, I want to see Haskins succeed and this will be a good chance for him to. Dobbs still hasnt proven to be a #2 QB in the league and I dont know that he has much upside. He has his whole life to work as an engineer, so keep chasing the dream until the last door is closed. But the fact that he went to school for Aerospace Engineering doesnt mean anything on the field IMO.

[DesertSteel]

The whole "rocket scientist smart" perception is overhyped. Its a chosen field of study, just like microbiology, chemical engineer or electrician. Below is a sampling of Wonderlic scores around the 29 that Josh Dobbs scored and its a mix of a lot of QB's.


My score is a 42 so I guess that makes me a better quarterback than Dobbs!! :yay3:

[HollywoodSteel]

My score is a 42 so I guess that makes me a better quarterback than Dobbs!! :yay3:

Maybe you can be a better rocket scientist. Let me know when we all get jet packs.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

My score is a 42 so I guess that makes me a better quarterback than Dobbs!! :yay3:

Ben might like you as the #3 QB, because you are even smarter than Dobbs. Better get an agent.

[fansince'76]

The whole "rocket scientist smart" perception is overhyped.

Yep, and so are Wonderlic scores. Richard Sherman scored 24 on it (for comparison purposes, Roethlisberger scored 25), and he was his high school class' salutatorian and carried a 3.7 GPA at Stanford, so he's not exactly an idiot.

[Dwinsgames]

Yep, and so are Wonderlic scores. Richard Sherman scored 24 on it (for comparison purposes, Roethlisberger scored 25), and he was his high school class' salutatorian and carried a 3.7 GPA at Stanford, so he's not exactly an idiot.


the thing about wonderlic scores that make it more difficult to judge about pure intelligence is this IMO

some folks can naturally multi task while others can not .....

that has nothing to do with intelligence levels its concentration levels and focus .....

if you can't multitask well you certainly will do less than your capabilities on the wonderlic in terms of the nfl setting where all those questions are being asked while you are performing other tasks ...

its not like you or me taking the test and we get the sample questions while sitting alone and can answer them without interruption ...

I am certain every one of them would do better if given the test as you or I would take it ...

[Steeler-in-west]

Ben's is 25 and Blaine Gabbert's is a 42...that's all i need to know about the applicability of this score to playing football

There's something called having instincts for the game that some QB's have and some don't, these instincts can't be quantified on a test. I wouldn't be surprised if Bradshaw's is even lower than Ben's.

anyway, tests are really not a true measure of intelligence, just measures how good you are at taking tests....

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Yep, and so are Wonderlic scores. Richard Sherman scored 24 on it (for comparison purposes, Roethlisberger scored 25), and he was his high school class' salutatorian and carried a 3.7 GPA at Stanford, so he's not exactly an idiot.

Sure, there are math questions on the Wonderlic, so if a guy skipped a lot of math classes during his time in school, he may score low on them. Same too with other subjects.

The Wonderlic test is also timed, so if you struggle with a question and dont skip it, but waste your time trying to solve it, then you arent going to answer more questions that you can get points on. It does start easy and each group of 5 questions gets progressively more difficult, so honestly anybody scoring a 10 or 15 isnt that smart or isnt trying, but maybe they are a hell of a tackler and run a 4.4.

My point is that the whole "Josh Dobbs is a Rocket Scientist" so that intelligence must make him so much better at reading defenses, getting thru his reads and other QB mental skills...is false. Being a Rocket Scientist is a learned skill, just like an Auto Mechanic, Plumber, Accountant. The overall general intelligence and the ability to convey that intelligence in an urgent manner that the Wonderlic tests, isn't impressive for Dobbs, compared to Greg McIlroy, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Birk or Benjamin Watson.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

the thing about wonderlic scores that make it more difficult to judge about pure intelligence is this IMO

some folks can naturally multi task while others can not .....

that has nothing to do with intelligence levels its concentration levels and focus .....

if you can't multitask well you certainly will do less than your capabilities on the wonderlic in terms of the nfl setting where all those questions are being asked while you are performing other tasks ...

its not like you or me taking the test and we get the sample questions while sitting alone and can answer them without interruption ...

I am certain every one of them would do better if given the test as you or I would take it ...

I'm a bit confused on how the Wonderlic Test is an exercise of multi tasking. Can you elaborate please?

When taking the Wonderlic, you sit down with the test. There are 50 questions and you have 12 minutes to complete it. It is normally administered in a quiet place, where there are no outside distractions, so that you can strictly focus on the test.

[86WARD]

I’ve taken a 6 minute/25 question wonderlic test at a Philadelphia Eagles event and it is just ordinary knowledge/IQ test type questions. It’s really nothing extraordinary for a college student.

[Dwinsgames]

I'm a bit confused on how the Wonderlic Test is an exercise of multi tasking. Can you elaborate please?

When taking the Wonderlic, you sit down with the test. There are 50 questions and you have 12 minutes to complete it. It is normally administered in a quiet place, where there are no outside distractions, so that you can strictly focus on the test.


perhaps I am mistaken but I read at some point that the tests was either being conducted or was under consideration of being conducted while doing other tasks to see how well you could process with other things going on ( maybe it was just an idea and the years confused them in my mind ) ...

either way it makes more sense to do it that way because the NFL is a fast moving game with lots of things happening around you all the while you are expected to make the proper read as a QB and make good decisions ...

[Born2Steel]

The test does not prove or disprove anything. It is a tool used to see how well and how fast you process general knowledge. I have taken it a couple times during job interviews. Once was for a cold call sales job, twice for jobs in my current field imaging patients. It's not a pass/fail type 'test' at all and scores are measured in ranges over numbers.

[DesertSteel]

perhaps I am mistaken but I read at some point that the tests was either being conducted or was under consideration of being conducted while doing other tasks to see how well you could process with other things going on ( maybe it was just an idea and the years confused them in my mind ) ...

either way it makes more sense to do it that way because the NFL is a fast moving game with lots of things happening around you all the while you are expected to make the proper read as a QB and make good decisions ...You mean like have them take the test while there are naked women walking around the room?

[pczach]

You mean like have them take the test while there are naked women walking around the room?


How do I arrange to take that test?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

perhaps I am mistaken but I read at some point that the tests was either being conducted or was under consideration of being conducted while doing other tasks to see how well you could process with other things going on ( maybe it was just an idea and the years confused them in my mind ) ...

either way it makes more sense to do it that way because the NFL is a fast moving game with lots of things happening around you all the while you are expected to make the proper read as a QB and make good decisions ...

I cant see it being delivered while doing any other tasks. Its a timed test, so distraction from it by having to do something else at the same time would skew the results erratically. The test is designed to that its tough to get all 50 questions in the time allowed, so thats enough time pressure without having to do something else.

[hawaiiansteeler]

You mean like have them take the test while there are naked women walking around the room?

depends on what those naked women look like. :pin:

[teegre]

Fish can’t climb trees.
Pfft… stupid fish.

[Mach1]

Fish can’t climb trees.
Pfft… stupid fish.

Obviously you never heard of the mudskipper. :wink02:

https://quantumbiologist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/mudskippers.jpg

[Dwinsgames]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deY5xAqoA_w

[teegre]

Obviously you never heard of the mudskipper. :wink02:

https://quantumbiologist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/mudskippers.jpg


:applaudit:

This response proves that you could be a rocket scientist AND also get a perfect Wonderlic score.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Mike Tomlin says he’s building a personal connection with Dwayne Haskins

Posted by Michael David Smith on June 17, 2021

Steelers quarterback Dwayne Haskins has been through a lot in his short NFL career, and coach Mike Tomlin wants to learn all about it.

Tomlin was asked on Wednesday about a post-practice talk with Haskins, and he said that while he’s letting quarterbacks coach Mike Sullivan and offensive coordinator Matt Canada coach Haskins on Xs and Os, Tomlin wants to know about Haskins’ overall development.

“I’ve been more concerned about Dwayne the person,” Tomlin said, via Missi Matthews of the Steelers’ website. “What he’s been through . . . how it’s affected the growth and development of his game.”

Haskins signed a one-year contract with the Steelers for the minimum salary and nothing guaranteed. To agree to that deal, he had to think the Steelers were a team that would spend some time developing him — to a greater extent than Washington did after drafting him in the first round. Tomlin sounds interested in helping that process.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/17/mike-tomlin-says-hes-building-a-personal-connection-with-dwayne-haskins/

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51343447789_ecbc4d33a9.jpg

[DesertSteel]

Dwayne Haskins will go down as the greatest QB in Steelers history!!

[teegre]

Haskins has looked good. The talent was always there (he beat out Joe Burrow at Ohio State). Maybe Tomlin has Haskins’s “head on correctly”… :nod:

[86WARD]

Haskins has looked good. The talent was always there (he beat out Joe Burrow at Ohio State). Maybe Tomlin has Haskins’s “head on correctly”… :nod:

Would be nice!

[Steeler-in-west]

I guess Haskins is considered to have more talent then Rudolph- but he hasn’t shown it at the pro level - not from the highlights I’ve seen. Maybe he has a stronger arm, which one has more accuracy is debatable. I still see them as roughly equal with Rudolph having the edge because of experience and knowledge with the team. They’re listed as 2 and 3 respectively on depth. It would be good for the Steelers if both play really well and show they can step in and throw the ball downfield effectively.

I’ll be surprised if Ben can play the whole season, so we need a good backup, better than Rudolph 2019 and better than Haskins 2020

[Fire Goodell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deY5xAqoA_w

He throws a nice ball and has a quick release

[teegre]

From what the reports are saying, Haskins is having the best camp of his career. So much so, that there is talk amongst the beat writers that Haskins may leapfrog Rudolph on the depth chart.

If Haskins’ talent manifests… we could have found ourselves a nice QB.

Maybe Haskins will only be a stop-gap for a few seasons (until we find out next “franchise QB”), but if he plays up to his potential, with this current defense, we would be serious contenders.

[86WARD]

From what the reports are saying, Haskins is having the best camp of his career. So much so, that there is talk amongst the beat writers that Haskins may leapfrog Rudolph on the depth chart.

If Haskins’ talent manifests… we could have found ourselves a nice QB.

Maybe Haskins will only be a stop-gap for a few seasons (until we find out next “franchise QB”), but if he plays up to his potential, with this current defense, we would be serious contenders.

Nothing would make me happier to have him succeed for a few seasons.

[Born2Steel]

I'm just glad to see Haskins is getting an opportunity with the Steelers. We know all these QBs have a high floor and have the physical talents to succeed. Just have to hope he can put it all together with understanding the flow of the game. I think he's in good hands with this coaching staff.

[DesertSteel]

I'm just glad to see Haskins is getting an opportunity with the Steelers. We know all these QBs have a high floor and have the physical talents to succeed. Just have to hope he can put it all together with understanding the flow of the game. I think he's in good hands with this coaching staff.
I don't know that his floor is high, but his ceiling is.

[BlackAndGold]

Looks like the #2 job is up for grabs after all...

[Edman]

Tomlin was always one to push buttons and competition. If Rudolph really has what it takes and is legit, he has to overcome the favorite Haskins.

[Steeler-in-west]

Tomlin was always one to push buttons and competition. If Rudolph really has what it takes and is legit, he has to overcome the favorite Haskins.

Rudolph had a nice season finale against the browns but he has to keep playing well - A rejuvenated Haskins is better competition than Dobbs

[hawaiiansteeler]

Alex Kozora
@Alex_Kozora

Completions of 20+ yards, Steelers' training camp (last four practices).

Dwayne Haskins: 6
Ben Roethlisberger: 1
Josh Dobbs: 1
Mason Rudolph: 0

Haskins' numbers matching eye test. Pushing the ball vertically. #Steelers

https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora/status/1422191362313752580?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1422191362313752580%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[86WARD]

Haskins had great days and camps with the Redskins too. Just something to keep in mind before getting overly excited…

[Fire Goodell]

Alex Kozora
@Alex_Kozora

Completions of 20+ yards, Steelers' training camp (last four practices).

Dwayne Haskins: 6
Ben Roethlisberger: 1
Josh Dobbs: 1
Mason Rudolph: 0

Haskins' numbers matching eye test. Pushing the ball vertically. #Steelers

https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora/status/1422191362313752580?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1422191362313752580%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Rudolph looks like he's a slightly upgraded Landry Jones, but not much more than that

[DesertSteel]

Louis Riddick raved about Haskins before his draft and of all the guys on TV, I value Riddick's evaluations the most. In fact, I've love for him to take over when Colbert retires.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Louis Riddick raved about Haskins before his draft and of all the guys on TV, I value Riddick's evaluations the most. In fact, I've love for him to take over when Colbert retires.

I agree. Riddick understands how a guy plays, how he processes, not just looking at stats. Riddick is a guy that played the game, is intelligent and analytical about things and understands what it takes to be successful.

This video from Haskins rookie year vs Detroit shows a lot of traits to be positive about. I never understood all the hate when the Steelers signed Haskins.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L8iNwcGcgQ

[hawaiiansteeler]

Alex Kozora Retweeted

Steelers Depot
@Steelersdepot

Tomlin says Haskins has grown by "leaps and bounds."

Dwayne Haskins goes 6/7 for 67 yards and a 25 yard TD to Anthony Johnson. He's done well in two minute situations. TD each time. #Steelers

https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp %7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[DesertSteel]

I watched 4-5 complete games of the Redskins in Haskins rookie year and I saw a lot of talent, along with some rookie mistakes. If you've only ever watched highlights you're really at a disadvantage in your evaluation.

[Steeler-in-west]

I watched 4-5 complete games of the Redskins in Haskins rookie year and I saw a lot of talent, along with some rookie mistakes. If you've only ever watched highlights you're really at a disadvantage in your evaluation.

they must’ve been brief and few flashes of brilliance otherwise it’s doubtful the redskins let him go. He’s a rehab project based mostly on his college career. Like someone else mentioned I wouldn’t get too excited until at least preseason starts and even then it’s against rooks, walk ons and backups in the second half. Rudolph proved he can play last season against Cleveland, I think that and his experience are why he’s starting against Dallas, probably against first teamers. I’m not rooting for one over the other - it would be awesome for the team and fans if both light it up during the preseason

[DesertSteel]

they must’ve been brief and few flashes of brilliance otherwise it’s doubtful the redskins let him go. He’s a rehab project based mostly on his college career. Like someone else mentioned I wouldn’t get too excited until at least preseason starts and even then it’s against rooks, walk ons and backups in the second half. Rudolph proved he can play last season against Cleveland, I think that and his experience are why he’s starting against Dallas, probably against first teamers. I’m not rooting for one over the other - it would be awesome for the team and fans if both light it up during the preseason
No. Actually they weren’t. There was a big conflict with Rivera. I think coach is taking the high road is not talking much about it. But I don’t believe it was his play that got him cut. He hadn’t even played 2 years.

[Fire Goodell]

No. Actually they weren’t. There was a big conflict with Rivera. I think coach is taking the high road is not talking much about it. But I don’t believe it was his play that got him cut. He hadn’t even played 2 years.

yeah something behind the scenes had to have been going on. Teams usually don't cut the cord on a 1st round QB that quickly.

[HollywoodSteel]

yeah something behind the scenes had to have been going on. Teams usually don't cut the cord on a 1st round QB that quickly.

Well, at least it seems like he’s been checking all the mental and emotional boxes since becoming a Steeler. In an interview he just said that he’s been focused on learning everything he can from the way Ben does things... the reasons why he makes adjustments at the line, the things he says to receivers about routes, etc.

Given that the physical tools are apparently there, all signs are currently pointing way up.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Dwayne Haskins has been “surprisingly good” in Steelers camp

Posted by Mike Florio on August 3, 2021

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/03/dwayne-haskins-has-been-surprisingly-good-in-steelers-camp/

[teegre]

Even if Haskins’ stats were abysmal at Washington (they weren’t; they were comparable to Rudolph’s numbers), what a player does with one team can be vastly different in a new environment.

Jerome Bettis had an awful season before being traded. James Farrior looked like a complete bust before signing with the Steelers. James Harrison was cut four/five times before he finally put it all together.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Even if Haskins’ stats were abysmal at Washington (they weren’t; they were comparable to Rudolph’s numbers), what a player does with one team can be vastly different in a new environment.

Jerome Bettis had an awful season before being traded. James Farrior looked like a complete bust before signing with the Steelers. James Harrison was cut four/five times before he finally put it all together.

Bold Statement time: Dwayne Haskins will be the Steelers starting QB in 2022.

[ETL]

I’ve never doubted whether Haskins has the physical tools. It’s his head. He may be all humble and hard-working now but if and when he becomes a star - will he go all Antonio Brown / Leveon Bell on us? I don’t know if he has the maturity to handle success. And remind you Brown and Bell were also being “managed” by Tomlin so Tomlin wasn’t enough to counteract their egos.

having said that I wish for his success. But I still have concern that Haskins short term success if he has it will cause long term harms to the Steelers (by delaying a proper search for a new QB)

[Edman]

Thursday and beyond will start to tell the story. History isn't exactly kind to "physically gifted but a major headcase". Otherwise we just have another Kordell, a Jameis Winston on our hands or worst case, another Jamarcus Russell.

Washington gleefully unloaded this guy for Alex Smith. His talent didn't matter.

Haskins is the clear favorite among fans and writers and better impress in game action and start blowing Rudy out of the water.

[DesertSteel]

I’ve never doubted whether Haskins has the physical tools. It’s his head. He may be all humble and hard-working now but if and when he becomes a star - will he go all Antonio Brown / Leveon Bell on us? I don’t know if he has the maturity to handle success. And remind you Brown and Bell were also being “managed” by Tomlin so Tomlin wasn’t enough to counteract their egos.

having said that I wish for his success. But I still have concern that Haskins short term success if he has it will cause long term harms to the Steelers (by delaying a proper search for a new QB)

That'd be a pretty good problem to have. Thankfully, QBs tend to become a little more CEO'ish with stardom because it's unbecoming for the position otherwise (unlike WRs and CBs).

[hawaiiansteeler]

Paul Zeise’s mailbag: Is Dwayne Haskins already the Steelers’ best quarterback?

PAUL ZEISE
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
AUG 4, 2021

Landon: Is Dwayne Haskins the best quarterback on the Steelers right now? Does he have a chance to take over for Ben Roethlisberger by the end of the season? I’m pretty excited about Haskins and think the Steelers should make him the starter right now.

Zeise: OK, let’s please come back to earth on this Dwayne Haskins thing. Yes, he has been a surprise and has played much better than most expected, but let’s not lose our minds. He is not better than Ben Roethlisberger right now and won’t be this season. Haskins has to prove he has matured and put a lot of his nonsense behind him before anyone is going to trust him to be their starting quarterback. He could win the backup job and maybe be a future starter but right now he is a just a guy with a few good days at camp.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/paul-zeise/2021/08/04/Dwayne-Haskins-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-mason-rudolph/stories/202108040098

[Fire Goodell]

I'd say it's already a big win for the FO if he can land the #2 job. I'm not going crazy with saying he's Ben's heir apparent but I don't think it's a stretch to say he can put up a fight against Rudolph

[st33lersguy]

Paul Zeise’s mailbag: Is Dwayne Haskins already the Steelers’ best quarterback?

PAUL ZEISE
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
AUG 4, 2021

Landon: Is Dwayne Haskins the best quarterback on the Steelers right now? Does he have a chance to take over for Ben Roethlisberger by the end of the season? I’m pretty excited about Haskins and think the Steelers should make him the starter right now.

Zeise: OK, let’s please come back to earth on this Dwayne Haskins thing. Yes, he has been a surprise and has played much better than most expected, but let’s not lose our minds. He is not better than Ben Roethlisberger right now and won’t be this season. Haskins has to prove he has matured and put a lot of his nonsense behind him before anyone is going to trust him to be their starting quarterback. He could win the backup job and maybe be a future starter but right now he is a just a guy with a few good days at camp.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/paul-zeise/2021/08/04/Dwayne-Haskins-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-mason-rudolph/stories/202108040098

Looks like some people need to get a grip. They are getting way too hyped up. History is full of examples of being a great workout warrior not translating on the field

[DesertSteel]

Looks like some people need to get a grip. They are getting way too hyped up. History is full of examples of being a great workout warrior not translating on the field
What if he is? It’s not beyond impossible. I’m not saying he is, but it’s not 100% impossible.

[st33lersguy]

What if he is? It’s not beyond impossible. I’m not saying he is, but it’s not 100% impossible.

If he is is irrelevant to my point, my point is it's impossible to tell now and people are getting too excited based off practices

[teegre]

As far as head cases go, if Haskins gives us a six-year run like the one AB had, I’ll help Dwayne throw furniture at strippers.

[Steeler-in-west]

I hope when the season starts Rudolph and Haskins are relegated to the bench and largely forgotten, cause if they’re not the Steelers are in trouble

[pczach]

As far as head cases go, if Haskins gives us a six-year run like the one AB had, I’ll help Dwayne throw furniture at strippers.


Whatever helps the team!

[Dwinsgames]

in a perfect world the Steelers see what Haskins is doing and are not being fooled by it and they are starting Rudolph in the HoF game to make him look good vs the scrubs he will likely be facing to dangle him as trade bait in front of the Colts ..

Colts then trade a decent pick ( hell I'd take a 3rd and feel fortunate ) for Rudolph and Haskins becomes the 2 with Dobbs the 3 ...

between Ben and Dobbs thats a decent set of Mentors IMO for Haskins ... Ben on football mechanics and Dobbs on the importance of hitting the books and conducting yourself off the field .. and lets roll with that

[DesertSteel]

^^^ lol

[tube517]

As far as head cases go, if Haskins gives us a six-year run like the one AB had, I’ll help Dwayne's wife throw furniture at strippers.

Fixed. :chuckle:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Film Room: Breaking Down Dwayne Haskins Debut

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/08/film-room-breaking-down-dwayne-haskins-steelers-debut/