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hawaiiansteeler
01-19-2021, 03:02 PM
2021 NFL draft: Updated Steelers draft needs

Curt Popejoy
October 28, 2020

The 2020 NFL season is in the books for the Pittsburgh Steelers and things did not go according to plan. After an 11-game winning streak to start the season, Pittsburgh sputtered down the stretch going 1-4 before bowing out in the first round of the playoffs. This locked their first-round pick in at No. 24 overall.

The Steelers currently have $11 million in cap space but will start the 2021 offseason over $21 million in negative. This means when it comes to all those free agents, there just won’t be enough room to bring most of them back. This means the 2021 NFL draft is going to be the primary part of this team’s rebuild after the 2020 season.

Here are our updated 2021 NFL draft needs in order of importance.

1-Offensive tackle

Alejandro Villanueva, Zach Banner, Jerald Hawkins and Derwin Gray are all free agents next offseason. The Steelers need to get an elite left tackle prospect in this draft is possible.

2-Outside linebacker

The Steelers stand to lose Bud Dupree in free agency and even if Alex Highsmith or Ola Adeniyi are ready to step in, filling in behind them is a top priority.

to read rest of article:

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/lists/pittsburgh-steelers-2021-nfl-draft-needs/

EzraTank
01-20-2021, 01:00 PM
I saw a mock where we trade with the Cowboys and move up to #10 and then we select Trey Lance. Kid is young (just finished Sophomore season at ND state) and would sit behind Ben for one year then take over in 2022. Only problem with that is the Broncos need a QB as well and they draft #9 (assuming that he's still around).

Watson is available as well, and most people have the Jets trading for him (or the Dolphins) since they are both have two #1 picks. I would LOVE to have Watson come here and easily trade our #24 pick for him telling Ben he will be released (like Troy) if he doesn't retire. But alas, we know that will never happen.

Six Rings
01-20-2021, 01:15 PM
I think some teams are cooling off on Watson. His agent needs to be careful as he not the type of guy who wants to play for a team that didn't make the playoffs. He QB'd Houston to a 4-12 record and his playoff record when he was on good teams is 1-2. Don't get caught up in stats, his team was behind often, so he threw the ball often in what I refer to a garbage time when the defense allows yards in exchange for time off the clock.

Watson holds on to the ball too long and has fumbled 30 times in 54 games played, losing the ball 10 times.

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2021 NFL draft: Updated Steelers draft needs

Curt Popejoy
October 28, 2020

The 2020 NFL season is in the books for the Pittsburgh Steelers and things did not go according to plan. After an 11-game winning streak to start the season, Pittsburgh sputtered down the stretch going 1-4 before bowing out in the first round of the playoffs. This locked their first-round pick in at No. 24 overall.

The Steelers currently have $11 million in cap space but will start the 2021 offseason over $21 million in negative. This means when it comes to all those free agents, there just won’t be enough room to bring most of them back. This means the 2021 NFL draft is going to be the primary part of this team’s rebuild after the 2020 season.

Here are our updated 2021 NFL draft needs in order of importance.

1-Offensive tackle

Alejandro Villanueva, Zach Banner, Jerald Hawkins and Derwin Gray are all free agents next offseason. The Steelers need to get an elite left tackle prospect in this draft is possible.

2-Outside linebacker

The Steelers stand to lose Bud Dupree in free agency and even if Alex Highsmith or Ola Adeniyi are ready to step in, filling in behind them is a top priority.

to read rest of article:

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/lists/pittsburgh-steelers-2021-nfl-draft-needs/

QB is high need, unless you think Ben at age 39 will play well next year and beyond, or you sold on Mason Rudolph.

It might be best for the Steelers for Ben to retire, and are up cap space. He's not worth 41 million on the cap next year.

Born2Steel
01-20-2021, 01:31 PM
My list of draft needs is as always about controlling the LOS.

1. OT - The only OT currently under contract is Okorafor.
2. DL - Cam and Tuitt are great. Behind them is a significant dropoff.
3. C/G - Dotson, Pouncey, DeCastro. That's it.
4. TE - Ebron is the only TE. Behind him are Gentry and PS guys.
5. OLB - Watt and Highsmith. Like the DL, nothing promising backing up at this position.
6. CB - Could go with Haden and Layne outside and let Nelson take over slot duties. James Pierre to backup all 3.
7. QB - Ben is starting possibly his final season. I have not been impressed with Rudolph or Dobbs enough.
8. ILB - Bush, VW, UGIII. This could be higher on the priority list but I think this is where FA money will be spent.
9. WR - Currently have a WR room of DJ, Wash, and Claypool. Then some PS guys.
10. RB - Not a lot to get excited about but unless the OL gets stabilized it won't matter who's running the ball.
11. Safety - Minkah and Edmunds with Brooks Jr and Dangerfield backing up. With what IS in front of them, they just don't have to suck. Fortunately they have been good.

This list is always fluid as offseason deals get done and positional needs change.

Fire Goodell
01-20-2021, 01:33 PM
If we don't trade up for a QB, I agree with this. We need replacements on the OL (first priority), and we do need an Edge even if Highsmith is ready, to keep the rotation fresh. DL depth is also needed. Heyward, Alualu, Tuitt are all getting long in the tooth and none of our current backups look like 'starters in waiting'. Losing any of these 3 to injury is a huge drop off.

The 1-5 skid and late season collapses IMO, are directly correlated with having ZERO running game. Look at every late-season implosion we've had in the recent years, they all were big part of the inability to run the ball. Ben's record even in his prime was never great when he had to pass 40+ times.

If I were the GM I would make rebuilding the OL to establish a respectable running game a priority. Maybe draft a big RB to beat off defenders :chuckle:

BTW has anyone followed Trey Lance closely? Is he a mobile QB or a running QB? I don't want the latter. I'd rather have a Russell Wilson than a Lamar Jackson

Istina
01-20-2021, 01:56 PM
I hope there's a run on quarterbacks in the top 10 so that the Steelers aren't even tempted to move and take one of them. Hopefully, imo, they stand pat and draft OL, OL, RB with first 3 picks. If quarterbacks go before they were slotted that means really good football players are dropping. I'd rather see the Steelers turn Ben into a game manager or play Rudolph who is already a game manager and build the defense, special teams and offensive line. The Steelers can win football games, running the ball and playing defense. No need to give away anything from next year's draft which they would have to do to move up to #10 from #24. Old school Steeler football would be a welcome sight for my eyes anyhow.

Rotorhead
01-20-2021, 02:03 PM
I hope there's a run on quarterbacks in the top 10 so that the Steelers aren't even tempted to move and take one of them. Hopefully, imo, they stand pat and draft OL, OL, RB with first 3 picks. If quarterbacks go before they were slotted that means really good football players are dropping. I'd rather see the Steelers turn Ben into a game manager or play Rudolph who is already a game manager and build the defense, special teams and offensive line. The Steelers can win football games, running the ball and playing defense. No need to give away anything from next year's draft which they would have to do to move up to #10 from #24. Old school Steeler football would be a welcome sight for my eyes anyhow.

Pretty much this, rebuild the OL then we can draft or trade for Ben’s replacement the next season. If we have a solid Def, OL and RB, finding a QB will be much easier.

teegre
01-20-2021, 02:58 PM
Here is my Inauguration Day mock...

R1: Nick Bolton, ILB, Mizzou
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn St.
R3: Landon Dickerson, OC, 'Bama
R4: Darius Stills, DT, WVU
R4 (comp): Dante Stills, DT, WVU

This is assuming that Canada can turn Mason Rudolph into the next Bubby Brister (just good enough to be a contender every year).

Born2Steel
01-20-2021, 03:08 PM
Here is my Inauguration Day mock...

R1: Nick Bolton, ILB, Mizzou
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn St.
R3: Landon Dickerson, OC, 'Bama
R4: Darius Stills, DT, WVU
R4 (comp): Dante Stills, DT, WVU

This is assuming that Canada can turn Mason Rudolph into the next Bubby Brister (just good enough to be a contender every year).

I don't know the WVU guys yet but I think that's a pretty awesome first 3.

hawaiiansteeler
01-20-2021, 04:25 PM
Here is my Inauguration Day mock...

R1: Nick Bolton, ILB, Mizzou
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn St.
R3: Landon Dickerson, OC, 'Bama
R4: Darius Stills, DT, WVU
R4 (comp): Dante Stills, DT, WVU

This is assuming that Canada can turn Mason Rudolph into the next Bubby Brister (just good enough to be a contender every year).

nice mock!

I just think that an OT and a RB will be drafted somewhere in the top 5 picks.

Shoes
01-20-2021, 04:32 PM
I don't know the WVU guys yet but I think that's a pretty awesome first 3.


I'll buy those picks. WVU and Tiger are like peanut-butter & Jelly. :chuckle:

If some team picks Freiermuth early or the steelers pass on him, I hope they will consider Hunter Long.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmIU1GD8ju4

Born2Steel
01-20-2021, 05:27 PM
I'll play:
Rd1: Jalen Mayfield OL, Mich
RD2: Joe Tryon OLB, Wash
Rd3: Landon Dickerson C/G, Bama
Rd4: Hunter Long TE, BC

I don't know the projected pick numbers after that.

hawaiiansteeler
01-20-2021, 05:36 PM
I'll play:
Rd1: Jalen Mayfield OL, Mich
RD2: Joe Tryon OLB, Wash
Rd3: Landon Dickerson C/G, Bama
Rd4: Hunter Long TE, BC

I don't know the projected pick numbers after that.

there's a 4b, 6a, 6b and a 7 still.

teegre
01-20-2021, 06:15 PM
nice mock!

I just think that an OT and a RB will be drafted somewhere in the top 5 picks.

True.

My mocks (up until this week) have been an OT in R1. But, as I have been thinking about it, teams have ripped us apart is in the short passing game. Bince is likely gone. Spillane is good, but I imagine having four good LBs on the field (akin to the 90s defenses). Plus, Born2Steel posted a link of Nick Bolton... and I was SOLD!!!

RB has been my R3 comp pick for a long, long time. Not having that comp pick threw me for a loop. Honestly, the Steelers are not drafting both of the Stills brothers... I just cannot decide which one I like better. Darius is the more polished player, but in three years, Dante will probably be the better pro. Anyway, replace one of them with a RB... like Master Teague, Ohio St.

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I'll buy those picks. WVU and Tiger are like peanut-butter & Jelly. :chuckle:

Guilty!!! :applaudit:

hawaiiansteeler
01-20-2021, 06:38 PM
Guilty!!! :applaudit:

what's your W Va connection, are you originally from there?

teegre
01-20-2021, 06:46 PM
what's your W Va connection, are you originally from there?

Born there.

My parents are alums. My aunts, uncles, cousins (et al) are all alums. Most of them were on the marching band. One cousin was president of the student body. Et cetera. Since my alma mater (UCSD) does not really believe in athletics, let alone spending assets on a football team, I basically root for the Mountaineers.

Six Rings
01-21-2021, 07:05 AM
Here is my Inauguration Day mock...

R1: Nick Bolton, ILB, Mizzou
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn St.
R3: Landon Dickerson, OC, 'Bama
R4: Darius Stills, DT, WVU
R4 (comp): Dante Stills, DT, WVU

This is assuming that Canada can turn Mason Rudolph into the next Bubby Brister (just good enough to be a contender every year).

I can't see ILB in round one.

Born2Steel
01-21-2021, 08:45 AM
I can't see ILB in round one.

But have you watched Nick Bolton?

EzraTank
01-21-2021, 09:27 AM
I'll do my first two rounds (after that it's a crap shoot on who's going to be left):

R1: Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn (Joe didn't know) State
R3: Some RB
R4: More Offensive line
R5: Some WR that will turn into the next Antonio Brown and eventually throw a piano off a balcony, drive 230 mph to practice, and burn his palms touching dry ice.


We have mostly built our defense the last few drafts now it's time to focus on offense.

Born2Steel
01-21-2021, 09:42 AM
"To stand still is to fall behind" - Mark Twain

It's also true in building football teams.

teegre
01-21-2021, 10:58 AM
But have you watched Nick Bolton?

Me before watching him play: ILB... meh

Me after watching him play: :director: MUST HAVE!!!

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I'll do my first two rounds (after that it's a crap shoot on who's going to be left):

R1: Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn (Joe didn't know) State
R3: Some RB
R4: More Offensive line
R5: Some WR that will turn into the next Antonio Brown and eventually throw a piano off a balcony, drive 230 mph to practice, and burn his palms touching dry ice.


We have mostly built our defense the last few drafts now it's time to focus on offense.

Those top two had been my top two for a while. For months, I have slotted Leatherwood at 32 and Dickerson at 96. 'Bama routinely produces quality O-linemen. Ergo, I cannot say that I would not be pleased with that draft.

But, the thing that sealed the deal was the AB reference. :applaudit: Well done!!!

Six Rings
01-21-2021, 01:34 PM
But have you watched Nick Bolton?


We have so many needs, if you want to draft Bolton, it probably has to be our 1st round pick. I'll go with Bush, and hope he lives up to expectations, and Spillane for 2021. We might have to cut Vince Williams :(, so finding a decent back up is a need.

The draft will start to take better shape after the Senior Bowl and Combine, but for now my top 4 pick would be:

1. QB Mac Jones
2. OC Josh Meyers
3. RB Javonte Wiliams
4. DB Greg Newsome III

Then I start picking Tackles, and Guards, with an ILB and OLB mixed in. Perhaps a pure NT.DT and a TE as well.

We do have a of higher than normal amount of picks, thanks to two comps picks.

86WARD
01-21-2021, 02:05 PM
I’ll trade every one of the 2021 picks for veteran players.

teegre
01-21-2021, 02:49 PM
We have so many needs, if you want to draft Bolton, it probably has to be our 1st round pick. I'll go with Bush, and hope he lives up to expectations, and Spillane for 2021. We might have to cut Vince Williams :(, so finding a decent back up is a need.

You just outlined my worries. Bince will be a cap casualty. In turn, that leaves us with only Bush and Spillane (who is a "pretty good")... and nothing else. Heck, we were starting a SS at ILB for half of the season.

We need depth, but we also need an upgrade over Spillane.

Shoes
01-21-2021, 03:00 PM
R1 Creed Humphrey C
R2 Nick Bolton ILB
R3 Hunter Long TE
R4 Seth Williams WR

Born2Steel
01-21-2021, 03:45 PM
We have so many needs, if you want to draft Bolton, it probably has to be our 1st round pick. I'll go with Bush, and hope he lives up to expectations, and Spillane for 2021. We might have to cut Vince Williams :(, so finding a decent back up is a need.

The draft will start to take better shape after the Senior Bowl and Combine, but for now my top 4 pick would be:

1. QB Mac Jones
2. OC Josh Meyers
3. RB Javonte Wiliams
4. DB Greg Newsome III

Then I start picking Tackles, and Guards, with an ILB and OLB mixed in. Perhaps a pure NT.DT and a TE as well.

We do have a of higher than normal amount of picks, thanks to two comps picks.

I am very much a BPA in the 1st/2nd rounds. There are a few TJ Watt/Pouncey/DeCastro/Minkah/Bush in every draft. To me that is what the 1st round is for. At 24 there will not be a BigBen, so get the generational player that is there at 24 whatever the position.

My personal value system alone, WRs, TEs, and RBs can all be found throughout the draft, so I more or less take those positions out for that round. QB, OL, DL, LB, DB are pretty much the only positions I like to look at in the 1st. Franchise QB, OL for the next 10-15 years, or beast defender.

Don't get me wrong though. I can get caught looking at the shiny fast cars too.

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R1 Creed Humphrey C
R2 Nick Bolton ILB
R3 Hunter Long TE
R4 Seth Williams WR

Another Nick Bolton convert. Welcome brother.

hawaiiansteeler
01-22-2021, 03:14 PM
Steelers Pre-Senior Bowl 7-Round 2021 NFL Mock Draft

Off a Wild Card exit, the Steelers will look to an important draft. I address their needs in this Steelers 7-round 2021 NFL Mock Draft.

By Nick Farabaugh

Hot off an AFC North division title, the Steelers are in a precarious position heading into the NFL Draft. With the Browns handing them a tough loss in the Wild Card Round, the Steelers’ Super Bowl window is closing. They have multiple vital free agents that will leave and only so much cap space to work with this offseason. In this Pittsburgh Steelers 7-round 2021 NFL Mock Draft, I will try to navigate the muddy waters they will enter this offseason.

Ben Roethlisberger seems to be on his last legs, albeit he may go for one more run at it all. Key free agents including Bud Dupree, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Alejandro Villanueva, Cameron Sutton, James Conner, Tyson Alualu, and more may hit the market, and the holes on this team could be plentiful.

However, with news that Roethlisberger is likely to return in addition to the elevation of quarterbacks coach Matt Canada to offensive coordinator, there are clear draft signs and fits. In this class, they try to build around a designed nucleus.

Steelers Pre-Senior Bowl 7-Round 2021 NFL Mock Draft

Round 1, Pick 24: Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama
Round 2, Pick 55: Creed Humphrey, OC, Oklahoma
Round 3, Pick 87: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson
Round 4, Pick 118: Kylin Hill, RB, Mississippi State
Round 4, Comp Pick: Ambry Thomas, CB, Michigan
Round 6, Pick 188: William Bradley-King, EDGE, Baylor
Round 6, Comp Pick: Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame
Round 7, Pick 209: Quintin Morris, TE, Bowling Green
Round 7, Pick 218: Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/steelers-7-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-pre-senior-bowl/

86WARD
01-23-2021, 10:06 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210123/9d9285988c8cfd654a5bd404a80cea4b.jpg

This is kinda scary...

teegre
01-23-2021, 10:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=glfRtqbHJjs

Creed is a player that I can really get behind. He will do “whatever it takes” to make it in the NFL.

Born2Steel
01-23-2021, 11:30 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210123/9d9285988c8cfd654a5bd404a80cea4b.jpg

This is kinda scary...

What is? That only 1 of these picks are currently on the roster?

Rotorhead
01-23-2021, 12:04 PM
Wow, that is bad, 4 picks (I think) are currently on NFL rosters, with picks like that, need to fire the scouting dept lol.

Dwinsgames
01-23-2021, 04:31 PM
nice mock!

I just think that an OT and a RB will be drafted somewhere in the top 5 picks.


me too , I am nearly certain in the first 3 rounds they nab a RB

hawaiiansteeler
01-23-2021, 04:39 PM
Daniel Jeremiah 2021 NFL mock draft 1.0

Pick 24
Pittsburgh Steelers

Teven Jenkins · OT
School: Oklahoma State | Year: Senior (RS)

The Steelers' inability to run the football last season was a major problem. They could take a runner here -- I love North Carolina's Javonte Williams and Alabama's Najee Harris -- but I think they will address the offensive line instead. Jenkins plays with an edge (see what he did against Texas) and would provide some youth/athleticism to Pittsburgh's aging group.

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-zach-wilson-to-jets

Dwinsgames
01-23-2021, 04:54 PM
24: R1 P24 LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
55: R2 P23 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
87: R3 P23 RB Michael Carter - North Carolina
125: R4 P23 S Marcus Murphy - Mississippi State
138: R4 P36 G Jack Anderson - Texas Tech
207: R6 P28 OT Dillon Radunz - North Dakota State
240: R7 P18 EDGE LaRon Stokes - Oklahoma
249: R7 P27 DL Lorenzo Neal Jr. - Purdue

pczach
01-23-2021, 08:50 PM
24: R1 P24 LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
55: R2 P23 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
87: R3 P23 RB Michael Carter - North Carolina
125: R4 P23 S Marcus Murphy - Mississippi State
138: R4 P36 G Jack Anderson - Texas Tech
207: R6 P28 OT Dillon Radunz - North Dakota State
240: R7 P18 EDGE LaRon Stokes - Oklahoma
249: R7 P27 DL Lorenzo Neal Jr. - Purdue




If Micah Parsons is still available at 24, I will be truly amazed.

He's the best LB prospect I've seen in years. An amazing player.

Dwinsgames
01-23-2021, 08:52 PM
If Micah Parsons is still available at 24, I will be truly amazed.

He's the best LB prospect I've seen in years. An amazing player.


quick fanspeak mock he was there so I took him... no 2020 season tape could let him drop a bit

pczach
01-23-2021, 09:01 PM
quick fanspeak mock he was there so I took him... no 2020 season tape could let him drop a bit



Gotcha. Didn't realize it was a Fanspeak mock. I thought that was your own mock.

I'd take it if it really falls that way.

hawaiiansteeler
01-24-2021, 02:16 PM
2021 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Alabama RB Najee Harris

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/01/2021-nfl-draft-player-profiles-alabama-rb-najee-harris/

teegre
01-24-2021, 02:51 PM
24: R1 P24 LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
55: R2 P23 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
87: R3 P23 RB Michael Carter - North Carolina
125: R4 P23 S Marcus Murphy - Mississippi State
138: R4 P36 G Jack Anderson - Texas Tech
207: R6 P28 OT Dillon Radunz - North Dakota State
240: R7 P18 EDGE LaRon Stokes - Oklahoma
249: R7 P27 DL Lorenzo Neal Jr. - Purdue

Welcome to the “ILB early” club.

It’s you, me, Shoes, and Born2Steel this far.

Mojouw
01-24-2021, 03:13 PM
Welcome to the “ILB early” club.

It’s you, me, Shoes, and Born2Steel this far.

I'll sign up as well.

pczach
01-24-2021, 03:16 PM
Welcome to the “ILB early” club.

It’s you, me, Shoes, and Born2Steel this far.



I don't know how much you know about Parsons, but the kid is an unbelievable football player. If he's available at 24, just turn the card in immediately and run to the podium.

We don't know what is going to happen with Ben, or if they will find a way to keep Dupree...but the thought of this defense that already has a couple elite players adding this guy would just be ridiculous.

hawaiiansteeler
01-24-2021, 03:22 PM
I don't know how much you know about Parsons, but the kid is an unbelievable football player. If he's available at 24, just turn the card in immediately and run to the podium.

We don't know what is going to happen with Ben, or if they will find a way to keep Dupree...but the thought of this defense that already has a couple elite players adding this guy would just be ridiculous.

Daniel Jeremiah has him going at #15 to the Patriots*

Pick 15

New England Patriots
Micah Parsons · LB
School: Penn State | Year: Junior

Parsons is an explosive, versatile playmaker, and the Patriots need to get faster on defense.

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-zach-wilson-to-jets

teegre
01-24-2021, 03:43 PM
I'll sign up as well.

Welcone aboard.

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I don't know how much you know about Parsons, but the kid is an unbelievable football player. If he's available at 24, just turn the card in immediately and run to the podium.

We don't know what is going to happen with Ben, or if they will find a way to keep Dupree...but the thought of this defense that already has a couple elite players adding this guy would just be ridiculous.

I agree. Many pundits had/have him going top 10.

pczach
01-24-2021, 04:39 PM
Daniel Jeremiah has him going at #15 to the Patriots*

Pick 15

New England Patriots
Micah Parsons · LB
School: Penn State | Year: Junior

Parsons is an explosive, versatile playmaker, and the Patriots need to get faster on defense.

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-zach-wilson-to-jets



I hope he keeps dropping!

I believe he is the equivalent of Watt falling to us, although Parsons was thought of much more highly before he opted out of the 2020 season.

Here's a good breakdown of this kid's career and his versatility. Really, read the entire article. He can do anything on a football field, and was basically the best LB in the country after his sophomore season of NCAA football.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/micah-parsons-nfl-draft-player-profile-penn-state-linebacker/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALaLOjXZ1U

hawaiiansteeler
01-26-2021, 04:49 PM
Report: Steelers Showing Early Interest In Alabama RB Najee Harris At Senior Bowl

By Dave Bryan
Posted on January 26, 2021

The 2021 Senior Bowl week is now underway in Mobile, AL and that means throughout this week we’ll hear a few reports about the Pittsburgh Steelers and specifically players they seem to be interested in.

On Tuesday, PFN Chief Draft Analyst Tony Pauline filed a report and it he claims that Alabama running back Najee Harris is drawing the early attention of two teams in particular at the Senior Bowl, the Steelers, and the Miami Dolphins.

Harris, who measured in at the Senior Bowl on Tuesday at 6017, 230-pounds with 33 3/8-inch arms and 10-inch hands, is not expected to take part in practices this week, per Pauline. If that happens, odds are good that Harris will not play in Senior Bowl game on Saturday.

NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah, who is also in Mobile this week for the Senior Bowl, has Harris ranked 22nd overall on his top 50 2021 NFL Draft prospect rankings that he released Tuesday morning. Below is Jeremiah’s early thoughts on Harris.

Harris is a big, smooth running back who posted outstanding production during his Alabama career. He is very patient to let holes develop before sliding through the line of scrimmage on inside runs. He has tremendous contact balance, routinely absorbing a hit and finishing runs. He doesn’t have the juice to really stretch to the boundary on outside runs, preferring to quickly get his shoulders squared and turn upfield. He is sneaky elusive in space, though, and can drop his shoulder to run through tacklers. He’s an excellent pass catcher out of the backfield. He runs clean routes and has the ability to high-point the ball down the field. He’s aware and dependable in pass protection. Overall, Harris isn’t a home run hitter, but he’s a very skilled runner with excellent value in the passing game. I see similarities to former Chicago Bears star Matt Forte when he was coming out of college.

Obviously, Harris could be in play for the Steelers at 24th overall in the 2021 NFL Draft and especially if the team is set on selecting a top-rated running back early. The Steelers running game has been miserable the last several seasons for starters and on top of that, the only real locks they have to be back at the running back position in 2021 is Benny Snell Jr. and Anthony McFarland Jr.

During the 2020 season, Harris rushed for 1,387 yards and 24 touchdowns and he also caught 36 passes for another 346 yards and three touchdowns. For his college career, Harris rushed for 3,764 yards and 44 touchdowns in addition to catching 73 passes for 702 yards and another 10 touchdowns. Harris also registered 26 runs of 20 yards or longer during his college career at Alabama. It’s worth noting that Harris will reportedly turn 23 years of age in March.

It’s worth noting that the last time the Steelers selected a running back in the first-round of an NFL draft was in 2008 when they picked Rashard Mendenhall at 23rd overall.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/01/report-steelers-showing-early-interest-in-alabama-rb-najee-harris-at-senior-bowl/

Mojouw
01-26-2021, 05:46 PM
I hope he keeps dropping!

I believe he is the equivalent of Watt falling to us, although Parsons was thought of much more highly before he opted out of the 2020 season.

Here's a good breakdown of this kid's career and his versatility. Really, read the entire article. He can do anything on a football field, and was basically the best LB in the country after his sophomore season of NCAA football.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/micah-parsons-nfl-draft-player-profile-penn-state-linebacker/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALaLOjXZ1U


I think that the 2020 draft is really setting up to reward savvy teams and punish dumb ones. Teams that are like "Herp...derp...kid hasn't played in a year...no underwear olympics....blah blah....PASS!" are going to see talented NFL players show up across the field from them on Sundays while their own draft picks look worse by comparison.

Clever teams that look at all the information, watch tape, work their networks of contacts for information and evaluations are going to draft a guys that have people saying "Who?" and "REACH!!" on draft day(s) but then by the middle of their rookie year will be on their way to being fan favorites.

hawaiiansteeler
01-26-2021, 08:30 PM
2021 Senior Bowl Rosters, Weigh-Ins, & Measurements

By Dave Bryan
Posted on January 26, 2021

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/01/2021-senior-bowl-rosters-weigh-ins-measurements/

pczach
01-26-2021, 09:19 PM
I think that the 2020 draft is really setting up to reward savvy teams and punish dumb ones. Teams that are like "Herp...derp...kid hasn't played in a year...no underwear olympics....blah blah....PASS!" are going to see talented NFL players show up across the field from them on Sundays while their own draft picks look worse by comparison.

Clever teams that look at all the information, watch tape, work their networks of contacts for information and evaluations are going to draft a guys that have people saying "Who?" and "REACH!!" on draft day(s) but then by the middle of their rookie year will be on their way to being fan favorites.



Every team is going to be dealing with a unique situation because of the wonderful world of COVID.

I think it does make everything more of a challenge, but there is also the possibility to steal some players if you did your homework correctly while others didn't.

I believe it also makes it much easier to really miss on a player that sat out the year. There are many players that really blossom as players in their third or fourth year. They literally turn into a completely different player when everything just clicks. I'm not sure how teams are going to get there based on limited tape and a lot of time away from the game. Those that get it right are going to be rewarded and have the chance to have drafts that set a franchise up for a decade.

If teams go by the tape and see a player with upside, but then find out he plateaued and will never realize the promise he showed as a younger player because he opted out of the season....it's a wasted pick.

It is going to be wild, and we won't know who really killed it until the real bullets start flying, and a little time goes by to see how the picks develop.

Let's hope the team aces the test.

DesertSteel
01-26-2021, 09:28 PM
Some people claim that the combine skews player evaluation and that drafting would be better just using on field performance through film evaluation. Well..... now we’ll see if this is true with the class of 2021.

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2021 Senior Bowl Rosters, Weigh-Ins, & Measurements

By Dave Bryan
Posted on January 26, 2021

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/01/2021-senior-bowl-rosters-weigh-ins-measurements/
Jamie Newman is a big boy.

teegre
01-26-2021, 11:41 PM
The O-line from 'Bama looks amazing. At one point, I jokingly had all of them mocked to the Steelers... but, really, it is not such a bad idea.

Deonte Brown looks like a fire plug with feet. Alex Leatherwood has loooooong arms. And, Landon Dickerson, while he cannot play due to injuries, he was on the field coaching the other players.

hawaiiansteeler
01-27-2021, 12:19 AM
Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2021 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0

Published: Jan 26, 2021

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2021-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0

teegre
01-27-2021, 09:37 AM
Steelers spending quite a bit of time focusing on Najee Harris.

Speaking of which, his agent told him NOT to practice. Something, something your draft stock could be hurt yadda-yadda. Najee practiced anyway and replied (something to the effect of): “I’m here to play.”

Okay. I just fell in love. :lol:

pczach
01-27-2021, 12:21 PM
Steelers spending quite a bit of time focusing on Najee Harris.

Speaking of which, his agent told him NOT to practice. Something, something your draft stock could be hurt yadda-yadda. Najee practiced anyway and replied (something to the effect of): “I’m here to play.”

Okay. I just fell in love. :lol:


You gotta love a kid that's just a football player.

No posturing. No bullshit.

Just tell me where to go and I'll ball out.

Awesome! He just won my heart. Thanks for that. :rockon:

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
01-28-2021, 04:16 AM
You gotta love a kid that's just a football player.

No posturing. No bullshit.

Just tell me where to go and I'll ball out.

Awesome! He just won my heart. Thanks for that. :rockon: I be Leary of guys like the Penn State guy you mentioned. Wonder if his heart is really into football ? Guys like NH is who you want to draft! Would also be cool to see the last name Harris on a Steeler RB in the uniform.

pczach
01-28-2021, 05:23 AM
I be Leary of guys like the Penn State guy you mentioned. Wonder if his heart is really into football ? Guys like NH is who you want to draft! Would also be cool to see the last name Harris on a Steeler RB in the uniform.



Micah Parsons opted out of the season because he has a 2 year old daughter, and he was concerned with the risk of COVID. With all the unknown at the time these people had to make these decisions, I'm not holding it against him. Making a decision to protect your daughter from risk doesn't diminish what I think of him as a player in any way. It's not like he's getting paid a million dollars by the school.

Everything I've heard or seen from him says he loves football and he wants to be a great football player.

teegre
01-28-2021, 07:48 AM
I be Leary of guys like the Penn State guy you mentioned. Wonder if his heart is really into football ?

I think quite a few GMs will think that. Others will pass on the opted-out players because they don’t have “recent” game tape of them. Others will say that these guys suddenly forgot how to play football after a year off.

In turn, as mojoUW stated above... the smart teams will see guys like Parson drop right into their laps.

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It's not like he's getting paid a million dollars by the school.

Indeed... he didn’t attend Alabama. :wink02:

86WARD
01-28-2021, 09:48 AM
I hear that Quinton Morris, TE is doing very well...

hawaiiansteeler
01-28-2021, 12:08 PM
I hear that Quinton Morris, TE is doing very well...

you're getting Shoes all excited.

hawaiiansteeler
01-28-2021, 02:11 PM
Nick Farabaugh
@FarabaughFB

Jan 20

This offensive line class is so insanely deep at all 3 positions. Maybe a little thinner at Center, but there's still a good deal of quality guys there. There will be guys going early day 3 that are going to be quality NFL lineman.

If you need OL, this is a good draft for you.

https://twitter.com/FarabaughFB/status/1351991116351082496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1351991116351082496%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
01-29-2021, 04:42 AM
Micah Parsons opted out of the season because he has a 2 year old daughter, and he was concerned with the risk of COVID. With all the unknown at the time these people had to make these decisions, I'm not holding it against him. Making a decision to protect your daughter from risk doesn't diminish what I think of him as a player in any way. It's not like he's getting paid a million dollars by the school.

Everything I've heard or seen from him says he loves football and he wants to be a great football player. Thanks and didn't know that.

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I still want a Alabama player in the 1st ,prefer Mac Jones but love NH too.

hawaiiansteeler
02-01-2021, 12:54 AM
24. Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4)

Pick: Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson (5' 10", 205 lbs)

The Steelers are the last of the first 24 confirmed picks for round one so far following their loss to the Browns last Sunday evening. With the Steelers looking to rebuild, Travis Etienne could be a star for the future. In four years at Clemson, the LA-born running back has clocked up nearly 70 touchdowns and 5,000 rushing yards.

https://en.as.com/en/2021/01/31/other_sports/1612125805_559313.html

86WARD
02-01-2021, 08:09 AM
I’ve heard some of the talking heads say they see him as more of a beneficiary of his system then a first round back.

ThorndikeFFA
02-01-2021, 11:58 AM
First, if Parsons falls out of the top ten I will be amazed, and some team will pick up an absolute steal. He might be the best athlete in this draft and, barring injury, could anchor an NFL defense for a decade. If he falls to the high teens, it would be great to be in a position to trade up for him, but we aren't. We need all of our picks for OL and DL this year.

Second, we've done well in the past with RBs named Harris. Let's do it again.

Third, if we pick Etienne I will be screaming at my TV, just like last year when we passed on Dobbins. HUGE mistake. Sure, Claypool is a nice WR, but we needed a RB last year and we still need one! And Etienne is a 'finesse' back who isn't a lot better than McFarland.

hawaiiansteeler
02-03-2021, 01:24 AM
Drafting Landon Dickerson is how the Steelers will start rebuilding the offensive line

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/1/22254742/drafting-landon-dickerson-is-how-the-steelers-will-start-rebuilding-the-offensive-line-nfl-draft

teegre
02-03-2021, 07:53 AM
Drafting Landon Dickerson is how the Steelers will start rebuilding the offensive line

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/1/22254742/drafting-landon-dickerson-is-how-the-steelers-will-start-rebuilding-the-offensive-line-nfl-draft

As I mentioned elsewhere, even though Dickerson was injured/couldn’t participate in the drills at the Senior Bowl, he was out there giving guidance to other players. He’s like a coach on the field... a natural leader... the type of guy you do indeed build an O-line around.

pczach
02-03-2021, 11:14 AM
Drafting Landon Dickerson is how the Steelers will start rebuilding the offensive line

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/1/22254742/drafting-landon-dickerson-is-how-the-steelers-will-start-rebuilding-the-offensive-line-nfl-draft




He makes a lot of sense. Tackle may be the greater overall need, but he is a unique talent. Not many men that size are able to play the center position, let alone play it well. If you are looking for a player to take the place of a long-time starter, and to fill a need and lead a philosophy change towards physicality and running the football....it's hard to argue against this pick.

Mojouw
02-03-2021, 11:23 AM
I think they can scrape by for another year with Chuks, a cheaply resigned Banner, and Hawkins at OT. It might not be great, but you can get away with it. They can not continue to pretend that JC Hasaskjfaklsdjfai;sehjtupiwhjerijsdf is a real NFL center.

Pouncey is still better than many and now is worse than some. Ben likely drags him back, I just hope the Steelers don't pass on an opportunity to draft his replacement if it presents itself.

BlackAndGold
02-03-2021, 12:04 PM
Dickerson has a injury history. He may slip during the draft similar to Tyler Biadasz last year.

Round 3 seems about right knowing he just recently tore his ACL.

teegre
02-03-2021, 02:49 PM
Dickerson has a injury history. He may slip during the draft similar to Tyler Biadasz last year.

Round 3 seems about right knowing he just recently tore his ACL.

R3 is where I have mocked him (in every mock draft that I have done).

It is a risk. You can get a R1 talent in R1... or... you can get a guy who may never play up to his past level. IMO, it is worth the risk.

BlackAndGold
02-03-2021, 04:22 PM
R3 is where I have mocked him (in every mock draft that I have done).

It is a risk. You can get a R1 talent in R1... or... you can get a guy who may never play up to his past level. IMO, it is worth the risk.


Personally I'm on the Quinn Meinerz train. He was dominate during Senior Bowl week. Top 50-70 player Imo.

1. Najee Harris.
2. Quinn Meinerz
3. Tommy Tremble

hawaiiansteeler
02-03-2021, 04:39 PM
Personally I'm on the Quinn Meinerz train. He was dominate during Senior Bowl week. Top 50-70 player Imo.

1. Najee Harris.
2. Quinn Meinerz
3. Tommy Tremble

I like it!

but if Pouncey retires then an OC will move up the draft needs list.

Born2Steel
02-03-2021, 08:14 PM
I like it!

but if Pouncey retires then an OC will move up the draft needs list.

Meinerz can play at Center. Maybe not at rookie Pouncey level but at least a flex IOL.

BlackAndGold
02-03-2021, 09:33 PM
Meinerz can play at Center. Maybe not at rookie Pouncey level but at least a flex IOL.

Pouncey is one of the best centers ever. It's unfortunate that he dealt with two major lower body injuries that clearly has caught up to him and also cost him 1 or 2 more All-Pro nominations.

Many have forgotten that Pouncey was an All-Pro his rookie season. He was a rare blue chip center prospect.

teegre
02-03-2021, 10:03 PM
Personally I'm on the Quinn Meinerz train. He was dominate during Senior Bowl week. Top 50-70 player Imo.

1. Najee Harris.
2. Quinn Meinerz
3. Tommy Tremble

R1: Nick Bolton, ILB, Mizzou
R2: Quinn Meinerz, OC, U of Wisconsin - Whitewater
R3: Michael Carter, RB, UNC
R4: Darius Stills, DE/DT, WVU
R4 (comp): Dante Stills, DE/DT, WVU

hawaiiansteeler
02-03-2021, 10:47 PM
R1: Nick Bolton, ILB, Mizzou
R2: Quinn Meinerz, OC, U of Wisconsin - Whitewater
R3: Michael Carter, RB, UNC
R4: Darius Stills, DE/DT, WVU
R4 (comp): Dante Stills, DE/DT, WVU

2021 NFL DRAFTNFL.com Mock Draft Has Steelers Selecting Missouri ILB Nick Bolton

Published 2 days ago on February 1, 2021 By Alan Saunders

The latest mock draft from NFL.com’s Bucky Brooks has the Steelers drafting a linebacker with their first-round pick.


Brooks has the Steelers selecting Missouri inside linebacker Nick Bolton at No. 24 overall.

Bolton, a 6-foot, 232-pound linebacker, chose to enter the draft after his junior season with the Tigers. The two-time All-SEC selection had 93 tackles, eight tackles for loss and two sacks in 2020.

In his three-year career at Missouri, he finished with 220 tackles, 17.5 tackles for loss, four sacks and two interceptions.

to read rest of article:

https://steelersnow.com/nfl-com-mock-draft-has-steelers-selecting-missouri-ilb-nick-bolton/

hawaiiansteeler
02-04-2021, 12:40 AM
R1: Nick Bolton, ILB, Mizzou
R2: Quinn Meinerz, OC, U of Wisconsin - Whitewater
R3: Michael Carter, RB, UNC
R4: Darius Stills, DE/DT, WVU
R4 (comp): Dante Stills, DE/DT, WVU

ROUND 3 (NO. 87 OVERALL): MICHAEL CARTER, RB, NORTH CAROLINA

The Steelers will be tied to the top of the running back class for the entire draft cycle, and deservedly so: their running game died over the stretch and James Conner is a tough free agent sell given his injury history. You need a player you’d feel comfortable giving the lion’s share of the carries.

Carter is perfect for that. He brings third-level speed, a ton of experience, and more receiving game value than any back the Steelers currently have on the roster. For my money, he’s the RB4 in this class, which is a nice value at the end of the third round.

How he fits: Carter will be best on zone runs, which isn’t exactly where the Steelers’ offensive line is right now: they’ve got size and they want to run power. But every team in the league has to invest more in working zone flow with the advantages it offers in the play-action passing game, which the Steelers sorely lacked this year as part of their aerial approach. Carter would hopefully represent the beginning of that shift.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/pittsburgh-steelers-7-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-playoffs

teegre
02-04-2021, 06:55 AM
@hawaii

Sounds like I’m on the right track. :lol:

Born2Steel
02-04-2021, 10:13 AM
R1: Nick Bolton, ILB, Mizzou
R2: Quinn Meinerz, OC, U of Wisconsin - Whitewater
R3: Michael Carter, RB, UNC
R4: Darius Stills, DE/DT, WVU
R4 (comp): Dante Stills, DE/DT, WVU

I haven't gotten to the official naming the player part just yet. Although I do like playing around with it. My thoughts in Feb...

Rd1 BPA. A game changer at any position can be a valid argument here. Very much a fan of the Nick Bolton pick.
Rd2 Still a BPA pick but more of one at a position that makes instant upgrade. Leaning toward a potent weapon here to go with and compliment Claypool. Najee Harris would be my wish but there are others that work.
Rd3-Rd4a&b MUST build OL. Also looking at CB, offensive weapon if not in Rd2, Safety/NB/LB/DL if BPA.
This is where I just turn it over to Colbert and watch him work his genius.

I haven't taken that look at those Stills bros yet. This weekend hopefully.

teegre
02-04-2021, 02:42 PM
Lance Zierlein has the Steelers taking an ILB at 24 (Zavin Collins, Tulsa).

Collins and Bolton... sounds like the lineup on an 80s soft-rock station. Ergo, I'm officially calling our R1 pick the KYXY pick. :lol:

pczach
02-04-2021, 03:29 PM
@hawaii

Sounds like I’m on the right track. :lol:




In other words, the Ravens are on track to select your entire draft. :flame:

hawaiiansteeler
02-04-2021, 03:32 PM
In other words, the Ravens are on track to select your entire draft. :flame:

:rofl2:

teegre
02-05-2021, 07:20 AM
In other words, the Ravens are on track to select your entire draft. :flame:

:wink02:

FrancoLambert
02-05-2021, 08:25 AM
In other words, the Ravens are on track to select your entire draft. :flame:

Teegre needs to look into the strategy of spreading disinformation. For our sake. :decision:

hawaiiansteeler
02-05-2021, 11:37 AM
Teegre needs to look into the strategy of spreading disinformation. For our sake. :decision:

weren't you looking at a punter in Round 1?

pczach
02-05-2021, 12:35 PM
weren't you looking at a punter in Round 1?




Al Waysatouchback at pick 24!

teegre
02-05-2021, 02:32 PM
Teegre needs to look into the strategy of spreading disinformation. For our sake. :decision:

I am all for trading our entire draft... to move up to 7 in order take a long-snapper from East Rutherford Community College.

hawaiiansteeler
02-05-2021, 02:34 PM
I am all for trading our entire draft... to move up to 7 in order take a long-snapper from East Rutherford Community College.

you don't say...

https://www.baltimoresun.com/resizer/O-6Soj_bR_3D_7vS02MA8Kfbemk=/415x466/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/7BOETCEXKVDB7OOO42ARTALZWY.jpg

teegre
02-05-2021, 02:39 PM
you don't say...

https://www.baltimoresun.com/resizer/O-6Soj_bR_3D_7vS02MA8Kfbemk=/415x466/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/7BOETCEXKVDB7OOO42ARTALZWY.jpg

Ah... look at how you I was. I mean, how young Ozzie was.

FrancoLambert
02-05-2021, 05:41 PM
I am all for trading our entire draft... to move up to 7 in order take a long-snapper from East Rutherford Community College.

Text that info to DeCosta...NOT Ozzie...he doesn’t make the picks anymore. :shush:

hawaiiansteeler
02-06-2021, 02:18 PM
Why the Steelers drafting a LB in the first round still makes sense

The thought originally left me scratching my head but there is a realistic shot the Steelers draft a linebacker in the first round

By Michael_Beck@MichaelBeck56 Feb 6, 2021

Most Steelers fans would agree the team needs to rebuild its offense starting in 2021. Sure, they have some interesting receiving options, and a couple linemen that could develop into starters, but the rest of the group leaves a lot to be desired. However, there’s a problem with trying to fill these holes in the first round of the 2021 NFL Draft. There is a real chance the offensive linemen and quarterbacks worth taking in the first round will have already come off the board, and we already know the Steelers views on taking running back in the first round. The organization isn't going to reach on a prospect, and the last time they traded backward in the first round was 2001, so that isn't going to happen either.

We already know the story when it comes to the Steelers drafting linebackers with their first round picks. Five of the last seven first rounders were linebackers, to be exact. Of those picks, only the first of which, Jarvis Jones, was a bust.

Bottom line, they know what they are doing.

When it comes to the 2021 NFL Draft we also have to keep in mind the sheer amount of holes the Steelers are going to have to fill. From multiple offensive linemen, a running back, cornerback, tight end, linebacker, and maybe even dip their toe in the quarterback market. In other words, the Steelers can go a multitude of different ways. The Steelers may also turn to cutting an inside linebacker to become salary cap compliant. That player being Vince Williams who, if cut, would give the Steelers an extra $4,000,000 of relief. If Williams finds himself on the chopping block, you can move inside linebacker to one of the biggest holes this team needs to fill.

The player at the top of the draft board for the Steelers’ top pick could very well be Tulsa’s Zaven Collins. Collins is an inside backer with the ability to also play on the edge. For a team that will almost certainly lose Bud Dupree to the open market, getting someone who can do both would be ideal. His measurable’s are things teams drool over.

Standing 6’4” and tipping the scales at 260 pounds, Collins’ speed resembles someone who's weighs 220 pounds. He’s a sideline to sideline linebacker who excels in a multiple front defense, like the Steelers often deploy. Collins is a heavy hitter, but he is one of the best coverage linebackers in the entire class. To top it off, no one could force turnovers like Collins throughout the entire NCAA last season. It was no surprise he won the 2020 Bronco Nagurski award as the top defensive player in college football.

Other reasons why the Steelers will be high on Collins is he is an underclassman, and just 21 years old. This is something the Steelers have clearly coveted in its draft picks. Another, but much smaller, factor which may make Collins a more likely pick for the Steelers is it would keep him from falling to the Cleveland Browns, who would almost certainly select him if he makes it to their draft position.

to read rest of article:

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/6/22266759/why-drafting-a-linebacker-in-the-first-round-still-makes-sense-pittsburgh-steelers-zaven-collins-nfl

Rotorhead
02-06-2021, 03:45 PM
Interesting take, but I still think we need 2 OL in the first 3 picks

hawaiiansteeler
02-06-2021, 03:50 PM
Interesting take, but I still think we need 2 OL in the first 3 picks

we got Dotson in the 4th round.

pczach
02-06-2021, 06:54 PM
we got Dotson in the 4th round.


It's impossible to know that a team is going to draft a player at a certain position with a certain pick. That is impossible to know because everything is dependent on who is on the board when the team picks, and their individual ratings of players.

Your example of Dotson makes that point. When that guy is on the board in the fourth round, you draft him because the value is amazing. There was no way the team could know for sure that he was going to be there, but he was.

st33lersguy
02-07-2021, 10:26 PM
This should be the plan
1. Try and land Mac Jones
2. If not, best OL available

st33lersguy
02-07-2021, 11:17 PM
Why the Steelers drafting a LB in the first round still makes sense

The thought originally left me scratching my head but there is a realistic shot the Steelers draft a linebacker in the first round

By Michael_Beck@MichaelBeck56 Feb 6, 2021

Most Steelers fans would agree the team needs to rebuild its offense starting in 2021. Sure, they have some interesting receiving options, and a couple linemen that could develop into starters, but the rest of the group leaves a lot to be desired. However, there’s a problem with trying to fill these holes in the first round of the 2021 NFL Draft. There is a real chance the offensive linemen and quarterbacks worth taking in the first round will have already come off the board, and we already know the Steelers views on taking running back in the first round. The organization isn't going to reach on a prospect, and the last time they traded backward in the first round was 2001, so that isn't going to happen either.

We already know the story when it comes to the Steelers drafting linebackers with their first round picks. Five of the last seven first rounders were linebackers, to be exact. Of those picks, only the first of which, Jarvis Jones, was a bust.

Bottom line, they know what they are doing.

When it comes to the 2021 NFL Draft we also have to keep in mind the sheer amount of holes the Steelers are going to have to fill. From multiple offensive linemen, a running back, cornerback, tight end, linebacker, and maybe even dip their toe in the quarterback market. In other words, the Steelers can go a multitude of different ways. The Steelers may also turn to cutting an inside linebacker to become salary cap compliant. That player being Vince Williams who, if cut, would give the Steelers an extra $4,000,000 of relief. If Williams finds himself on the chopping block, you can move inside linebacker to one of the biggest holes this team needs to fill.

The player at the top of the draft board for the Steelers’ top pick could very well be Tulsa’s Zaven Collins. Collins is an inside backer with the ability to also play on the edge. For a team that will almost certainly lose Bud Dupree to the open market, getting someone who can do both would be ideal. His measurable’s are things teams drool over.

Standing 6’4” and tipping the scales at 260 pounds, Collins’ speed resembles someone who's weighs 220 pounds. He’s a sideline to sideline linebacker who excels in a multiple front defense, like the Steelers often deploy. Collins is a heavy hitter, but he is one of the best coverage linebackers in the entire class. To top it off, no one could force turnovers like Collins throughout the entire NCAA last season. It was no surprise he won the 2020 Bronco Nagurski award as the top defensive player in college football.

Other reasons why the Steelers will be high on Collins is he is an underclassman, and just 21 years old. This is something the Steelers have clearly coveted in its draft picks. Another, but much smaller, factor which may make Collins a more likely pick for the Steelers is it would keep him from falling to the Cleveland Browns, who would almost certainly select him if he makes it to their draft position.

to read rest of article:

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/6/22266759/why-drafting-a-linebacker-in-the-first-round-still-makes-sense-pittsburgh-steelers-zaven-collins-nfl

Honestly ilb feels like a luxury pick compared to some of the other holes on this team

Mojouw
02-07-2021, 11:30 PM
Honestly ilb feels like a luxury pick compared to some of the other holes on this team

Seeing the disruption that David and White created in the middle of the field tonight has me wondering what Bush and fancy draft pick could do.

teegre
02-07-2021, 11:36 PM
Seeing the disruption that David and White created in the middle of the field tonight has me wondering what Bush and fancy draft pick could do.

BINGO!!!

pczach
02-07-2021, 11:37 PM
Seeing the disruption that David and White created in the middle of the field tonight has me wondering what Bush and fancy draft pick could do.



It's why thinking about what would have been had Shazier not gotten injured makes me sad. Imagine Watt, Shazier, Fitzpatrick at each level of the defense and then you add a guy like Bush or another stud.....Man!

Mojouw
02-07-2021, 11:38 PM
It's why thinking about what would have been had Shazier not gotten injured makes me sad. Imagine Watt, Shazier, Fitzpatrick at each level of the defense and then you add a guy like Bush or another stud.....Man!

I spend far too much time thinking about that. It would've been hella fun to watch.

teegre
02-07-2021, 11:41 PM
It's why thinking about what would have been had Shazier not gotten injured makes me sad. Imagine Watt, Shazier, Fitzpatrick at each level of the defense and then you add a guy like Bush or another stud.....Man!

Or, if they had somehow drafted Aaron Donald.

(Colbert inquired about trading up with the Rams, and they flat-out told him: We’re drafting Donald... period... good-bye.)

st33lersguy
02-07-2021, 11:55 PM
Seeing the disruption that David and White created in the middle of the field tonight has me wondering what Bush and fancy draft pick could do.

Nothing that will come close to leading to a Super Bowl if the O-line isn't fixed. I saw in the Super Bowl how piss-poor o-line pretty much stopped Patrick Mahomes and it paralleled how piss poor o-line play held the team back. Jack Lambert in his prime could be starting next to Ray Lewis in his prime and it won't matter if the O-line replicates last year's debacle

Shoes
02-08-2021, 04:23 AM
Seeing the disruption that David and White created in the middle of the field tonight has me wondering what Bush and fancy draft pick could do.

Yep, I'd even wait until R3 for a TE if we could pick up Bolton or Collins. :chuckle:

teegre
02-08-2021, 08:48 AM
Nothing that will come close to leading to a Super Bowl if the O-line isn't fixed. I saw in the Super Bowl how piss-poor o-line pretty much stopped Patrick Mahomes and it paralleled how piss poor o-line play held the team back. Jack Lambert in his prime could be starting next to Ray Lewis in his prime and it won't matter if the O-line replicates last year's debacle

Earlier in the season, I posted about how Brian Baldinger had broken down video of our O-line play. In a nutshell, Baldinger noticed that when asked to block forward (running north-south), the Steelers O-line looked great, created holes, and were getting 5-7 yards per rush. Conversely, when the Steelers were running all of those sideways plays (I wouldn’t even consider it east-west... but, rather just simply sideways), they generally lost yardage.

Further breakdown by Baldinger showed that when the Steelers blocked north-south, they’d get a good push (1-2 yards beyond the LOS). Even if the Steelers RB got stopped right there, it would have been a gain of 1-2 yards. Instead, the Steelers O-line was engaging defenders a yard (or three) BEHIND the line of scrimmage. That alone is a difference of 2-5 yards per rush.

Baldinger added that not only was the LOS moved up 2-5 yards on north-south runs, but the Steelers O-line created way, way, waaay better holes when moving north-south... resulting in the aforementioned 5-7 yards per rush.

SUMMATION:
1. run north-south
2. Replace Pouncey
3. watch the running game flourish

hawaiiansteeler
02-10-2021, 09:00 PM
Report: Ole Miss TE Kenny Yeboah Had Attention Of Steelers GM Kevin Colbert At Senior Bowl

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/02/report-ole-miss-te-kenny-yeboah-had-attention-of-steelers-gm-kevin-colbert-at-senior-bowl/

teegre
02-10-2021, 10:56 PM
Here’s the moment in the show where I turn to Shoes and say, “Tell is about Kenny Yeboah.”

hawaiiansteeler
02-11-2021, 03:45 PM
2021 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Florida QB Kyle Trask

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/02/2021-nfl-draft-player-profiles-florida-qb-kyle-trask/

Born2Steel
02-11-2021, 09:05 PM
2021 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Florida QB Kyle Trask

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/02/2021-nfl-draft-player-profiles-florida-qb-kyle-trask/

I really like Trask. I like his size and he has enough mobility to move in the pocket and extend plays if need be. Never going to be a running QB, so what? 68% career completion percentage is pretty darn good too. I watched a few Florida games and never thought 'weak arm' either. Maybe he's no Favre arm but he made the throws and with accuracy usually(68%). His 2020 stats were 43TDs to 8INTs, that's doing something right.

I don't think the Steelers will draft Trask. I don't think they draft any QB this draft. But if they did I would be ok with Trask. Not ecstatic yet not disappointed, just ok.

hawaiiansteeler
02-16-2021, 01:13 AM
87. Pittsburgh Steelers: Tommy Tremble, TE, Notre Dame

With Vance McDonald’s retirement, the Steelers need a reliable tight end who can block and catch. Eric Ebron isn’t that kind of player. Tommy Tremble wasn’t often targeted, but he excelled in both blocking and receiving. He would provide a security blanket over the middle of the field for whoever is the Steelers’ next quarterback.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2021-nfl-mock-draft-7-round-schulte-january/4/

teegre
02-24-2021, 07:14 PM
With Ben coming back, I do not see a QB being taken early. Also, Ben loves Ebron; so, I do not see a TE being taken early either (sorry, Shoes). I also see JuJu being re-signed (so, no WR at all).

R1: BAP...period. If it is Najee Harris or Nick Bolton or Jaycee Horn or Creed Humphrey... whomever is highest on their draft rankings. After that, they will fill the following holes: OC, RB, OT. And, I think it will be in that order.

R2: OC ...it is the biggest hole, and this is the sweet spot (bang for your buck). There are a ton of good OCs in this draft.

R3: RB ...again, this seems to be the sweet sot (value-wise) for a RB.

R4: OT ...it is a deep, deep, deeeep class. Plus, the team is really high on Banner at LT.

86WARD
02-25-2021, 08:06 AM
1 - BAP
2 - BAP
3 - BAP
4 - BPA
5 - BPA
6 - PTIB
7 - PTIB

teegre
02-25-2021, 08:08 AM
This isn’t half bad.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2021/02/25/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-mock-draft-jalen-mayfield-pat-freiermuth/stories/202102240134

A lot of people are connecting the Steelers to Jaylen Mayfield. I think it’s a deep OT class, but I wouldn’t be mad at a LT in R1.

Freiermuth (TE), Meinerz (OC), and my man Felton (RB/WR) make this a really good draft (for me at least). I’m not sure I’d wait until Day 3 to draft an OC, but if I can get Meinerz in R4, sign me up!!! (Meinerz was arguably the best OC at the Senior Bowl.)

ThorndikeFFA
02-25-2021, 08:19 AM
If Freiermuth falls to the end of the second I'll eat my PSU hat.

86WARD
02-25-2021, 12:35 PM
Freiermuth will never last until 55...I hope he does...lol

Shoes
02-25-2021, 02:19 PM
Imagine the Steelers drafting a TE that can block. Nah, it's better to pay more money to a rerun that can't block. It's a great way to help the run game and protect your QB :chuckle:

pczach
02-26-2021, 07:53 AM
This isn’t half bad.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2021/02/25/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-mock-draft-jalen-mayfield-pat-freiermuth/stories/202102240134

A lot of people are connecting the Steelers to Jaylen Mayfield. I think it’s a deep OT class, but I wouldn’t be mad at a LT in R1.

Freiermuth (TE), Meinerz (OC), and my man Felton (RB/WR) make this a really good draft (for me at least). I’m not sure I’d wait until Day 3 to draft an OC, but if I can get Meinerz in R4, sign me up!!! (Meinerz was arguably the best OC at the Senior Bowl.)




I mentioned this a week or so ago.

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/32690-Fixing-the-Steelers-Offense-Top-4-Offseason-Priorities?p=762597#post762597

Born2Steel
02-26-2021, 02:15 PM
I mentioned this a week or so ago.

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/32690-Fixing-the-Steelers-Offense-Top-4-Offseason-Priorities?p=762597#post762597


This has been so difficult to nail it down and rank which players I like and organize into an acceptable draft order. I like Jaylen Mayfield and Quinn Meinerz as OL prospects. But until either Banner gets re-signed, a FA LT and FA OC get brought in, I just can't place a value on 2 guys that have very limited snaps at those positions. The ceiling is very high for both but the floor is also unknown so therefore low at this point. IF Banner returns I would be much happier to draft a prospect like Mayfield who has huge potential and versatility. Today, with Pouncey retiring and no OC on the roster except maybe ERFA Hassenauer, an OC prospect in Meinerz that didn't actually play OC for his career, is not desirable either. But, if/when a FA OC gets signed and a prospect like Meinerz can have the option of backing up a year if he needs that, he becomes more attractive on draft day.

Steelers currently have Chuks under contract at OT. Is the emphasis more on LT or RT then? There are no OCs under contract currently, even though Hassenauer is an ERFA so probably will be one of the first re-signed at the start of the new league year.

My thoughts as of today, and this will change immediately upon any and all signings forthcoming, look like this:

1. Hassenauer should be re-signed AND a veteran FA OC brought in to enter the draft with a starter and a depth player at the position.
2. Banner needs to be re-signed so the Steelers can enter the draft with at least 1 LT and 1 RT under contract. This will not lessen the 'need' for an OT in this draft but it does allow for draft position and value flexibility.
3. DeCastro and 2nd year Dodson are the only 2 OGs under contract currently. Either a draft pick OG or a FA veteran OG will have to be signed for depth at both OG positions.

The OL situation looks like a BIG mess at this point in time. However, I am very confident in the Steelers' FO and fully believe there is a plan in place already. Once the new league year begins this landscape will change dramatically. I also cannot emphasize enough how little I know about the OL already on the PS that could get called up to the 53. This OL 'rebuild' may have already taken shape as we contemplate how it will be done. As Tom Petty put it, "The waiting is the hardest part".

pczach
02-26-2021, 03:24 PM
This has been so difficult to nail it down and rank which players I like and organize into an acceptable draft order. I like Jaylen Mayfield and Quinn Meinerz as OL prospects. But until either Banner gets re-signed, a FA LT and FA OC get brought in, I just can't place a value on 2 guys that have very limited snaps at those positions. The ceiling is very high for both but the floor is also unknown so therefore low at this point. IF Banner returns I would be much happier to draft a prospect like Mayfield who has huge potential and versatility. Today, with Pouncey retiring and no OC on the roster except maybe ERFA Hassenauer, an OC prospect in Meinerz that didn't actually play OC for his career, is not desirable either. But, if/when a FA OC gets signed and a prospect like Meinerz can have the option of backing up a year if he needs that, he becomes more attractive on draft day.

Steelers currently have Chuks under contract at OT. Is the emphasis more on LT or RT then? There are no OCs under contract currently, even though Hassenauer is an ERFA so probably will be one of the first re-signed at the start of the new league year.

My thoughts as of today, and this will change immediately upon any and all signings forthcoming, look like this:

1. Hassenauer should be re-signed AND a veteran FA OC brought in to enter the draft with a starter and a depth player at the position.
2. Banner needs to be re-signed so the Steelers can enter the draft with at least 1 LT and 1 RT under contract. This will not lessen the 'need' for an OT in this draft but it does allow for draft position and value flexibility.
3. DeCastro and 2nd year Dodson are the only 2 OGs under contract currently. Either a draft pick OG or a FA veteran OG will have to be signed for depth at both OG positions.

The OL situation looks like a BIG mess at this point in time. However, I am very confident in the Steelers' FO and fully believe there is a plan in place already. Once the new league year begins this landscape will change dramatically. I also cannot emphasize enough how little I know about the OL already on the PS that could get called up to the 53. This OL 'rebuild' may have already taken shape as we contemplate how it will be done. As Tom Petty put it, "The waiting is the hardest part".




Everything we talk about now is complete speculation. Until we know the players that the team is going to have under contract and on the field, we are just projecting the unknown as to what the position needs are. This is nothing new. We do it every year.

I also think they are going to bring back Banner.

You may be right about Hassenauer, but I wouldn't care if they let him go and bring in a different player and have an entirely new depth chart at C. He hasn't shown much IMO. Maybe he can improve with more time and better coaching? IDK.

I suspect DeCastro was playing with an injury last year. He didn't look the same this year. That will be a nice upgrade just having him back to his top-level play.

I am high on Dotson. I was thrilled when they drafted him last year. I think he could be a very good player for a long time.

Okafor, Banner, DeCastro, and Dotson would give you 4 players you know.

It looks like AV and Feiler are likely gone. If it plays out like that, drafting at least 2 OL seems certain. Who? When? Where? Who knows. But that's part of the fun of it.

hawaiiansteeler
02-26-2021, 04:11 PM
teegre, have you been telling the Ravens our draft plans again?

Round 1 - Pick 27 Baltimore

Creed Humphrey OL
OKLAHOMA • JR • 6'5" / 307 LBS

The Ravens have a big need at center, and Humphrey is the most experienced center in the class with clean film.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-trey-lance-goes-ahead-of-justin-fields-no-deshaun-watson-trade/

Born2Steel
02-26-2021, 04:43 PM
teegre, have you been telling the Ravens our draft plans again?

Round 1 - Pick 27 Baltimore

Creed Humphrey OL
OKLAHOMA • JR • 6'5" / 307 LBS

The Ravens have a big need at center, and Humphrey is the most experienced center in the class with clean film.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-trey-lance-goes-ahead-of-justin-fields-no-deshaun-watson-trade/

The Mock drafts I have looked through have Creed Humphrey going anywhere from Miami at 18(I think) to the Steelers at 55(56 whichever). I personally don't see Humphrey falling to the 2nd round pick. There are a few OC hungry teams that would most likely grab him before that chance. The question is how valuable is he at pick 24 vs other players on the board vs alternate OCs in later rounds. AND that will all be weighed against who the Steelers have brought in in FA by that point as well. Today's Creed Humphrey value is HIGH, by draft weekend his value may be meh. My personal mock has sooooo many holes right now.

hawaiiansteeler
02-27-2021, 11:58 PM
The Steelers need to address Center in both free agency and the NFL Draft

The position is too important to just throw a rookie onto the field.

By Michael_Beck@MichaelBeck56
Feb 27, 2021

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/27/22304376/the-steelers-need-to-address-center-in-both-free-agency-and-the-nfl-draft-update-rumors

pczach
02-28-2021, 06:55 AM
The Steelers need to address Center in both free agency and the NFL Draft

The position is too important to just throw a rookie onto the field.

By Michael_Beck@MichaelBeck56
Feb 27, 2021

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/27/22304376/the-steelers-need-to-address-center-in-both-free-agency-and-the-nfl-draft-update-rumors



What would LeBeau do??? :lol:

teegre
02-28-2021, 10:17 AM
teegre, have you been telling the Ravens our draft plans again?

Round 1 - Pick 27 Baltimore

Creed Humphrey OL
OKLAHOMA • JR • 6'5" / 307 LBS

The Ravens have a big need at center, and Humphrey is the most experienced center in the class with clean film.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-trey-lance-goes-ahead-of-justin-fields-no-deshaun-watson-trade/

Usually Eric DeCosta keeps my infiltrations more of a secret than this. I told him to say he’s looking for a QB... and then, trade up in front of the Steelers for Humphrey. Tsk, tsk... he’s definitely slipping.

fansince'76
02-28-2021, 11:37 AM
The position is too important to just throw a rookie onto the field.

Unless you are fortunate enough to draft a rookie like Pouncey and the alternative is someone like Hartwig the Human Speed Bump...

hawaiiansteeler
02-28-2021, 12:12 PM
Usually Eric DeCosta keeps my infiltrations more of a secret than this.

DeCosta is no Ozzie.

Mojouw
02-28-2021, 12:58 PM
Unless you are fortunate enough to draft a rookie like Pouncey and the alternative is someone like Hartwig the Human Speed Bump...

https://www.pff.com/news/rookie-impact-centers

Older article but basically either your rookie center can start and be okay. Or they're not ready and it doesn't happen.

So how high did you pick them and how good is your scouting?

Born2Steel
02-28-2021, 01:19 PM
The following 5 prospects fall to pick 24 overall. With the roster sitting as it is currently, list your order of draft value.

1. Christian Barmore DL Bama
2. Trey Lance QB North Dakota State
3. Kyle Pitts TE Florida
4. Christian Darrisaw LT VaTech
5. Justin Fields QB OSU

These are 5 names that I have seen ranked by most scout sites as top 5-20 prospects in this draft. Yet I have seen them mocked to fall as far as 24 in several mock draft sites as well. Just curious what the slant of the forum is on these 5 prospects.

Shoes
02-28-2021, 01:23 PM
Unless you are fortunate enough to draft a rookie like Pouncey and the alternative is someone like Hartwig the Human Speed Bump...


:lol:

teegre
02-28-2021, 02:32 PM
The following 5 prospects fall to pick 24 overall. With the roster sitting as it is currently, list your order of draft value.

1. Christian Barmore DL Bama
2. Trey Lance QB North Dakota State
3. Kyle Pitts TE Florida
4. Christian Darrisaw LT VaTech
5. Justin Fields QB OSU

These are 5 names that I have seen ranked by most scout sites as top 5-20 prospects in this draft. Yet I have seen them mocked to fall as far as 24 in several mock draft sites as well. Just curious what the slant of the forum is on these 5 prospects.

Interesting. Not as easy as it first seems. Let’s work backwards.

Darrisaw has flaws, and more importantly, there are a handful of OTs ranked about the same. Since I can get an OT “about” as good as him in R2, I wait.

Barmore is great, but if I have the other three available, then a NT can wait.

Fields’s tape during the Northwestern game scares me. He looked rattled. That said, at 24, it might be worth the gamble.

Pitts is the best non-quarterback in this draft. Is he truly a TE? I do not care!!! He catches EVERYTHING (despite double and triple coverage).

That said, Lance is the pick... because QB is bar-none the most important position on your team.

SUMMATION:
Pitts is the better player, but getting a franchise QB trumps that.

st33lersguy
02-28-2021, 03:20 PM
The following 5 prospects fall to pick 24 overall. With the roster sitting as it is currently, list your order of draft value.

1. Christian Barmore DL Bama
2. Trey Lance QB North Dakota State
3. Kyle Pitts TE Florida
4. Christian Darrisaw LT VaTech
5. Justin Fields QB OSU

These are 5 names that I have seen ranked by most scout sites as top 5-20 prospects in this draft. Yet I have seen them mocked to fall as far as 24 in several mock draft sites as well. Just curious what the slant of the forum is on these 5 prospects.

This is a hard one
1. Trey Lance: You need to start looking for the new franchise QB. I like Lance. A little raw but with a good OC (which hopefully Canada is) could really do well
2. Justin Fields: Some flaws and concerns but then again pair him with a good OC and maximize his talent
3. Kyle Pitts: Their TE room consists of Ebron and guys whose names I don't even know. Match need and extreme talent (btw he's not going out of the top 10)
4. Darrisaw: Obviously you need to address OL but getting the franchise QB and a talent like Pitts at a big position of need trump that
5. Barrimore: Because the players above address bigger needs.

hawaiiansteeler
02-28-2021, 03:38 PM
The following 5 prospects fall to pick 24 overall. With the roster sitting as it is currently, list your order of draft value.

1. Christian Barmore DL Bama
2. Trey Lance QB North Dakota State
3. Kyle Pitts TE Florida
4. Christian Darrisaw LT VaTech
5. Justin Fields QB OSU

These are 5 names that I have seen ranked by most scout sites as top 5-20 prospects in this draft. Yet I have seen them mocked to fall as far as 24 in several mock draft sites as well. Just curious what the slant of the forum is on these 5 prospects.

I realize the QB position is the most important, but since I'm not sold on either Fields or Lance I'll go by BPA.

1) Kyle Pitts
2) Christian Darrisaw
3) Christian Barmore
4) Trey Lance
5) Justin Fields

Mojouw
02-28-2021, 04:27 PM
Trey Lance and then Fields.

After that, the others just aren't all that interesting. Here is the thing about Pitts...everyone talks about how awesome he his and what a match-up nightmare, all that. Sure...but he is simply a jumbo WR. He doesn't nor does he seem interested in blocking. He is Ebron with more consistent hands. Evan Engram with a bit more size. Or David Njoku with actual talent. Bottom line, we saw with Claypool last season, you can created the same mismatches that Pitts gives you with a large WR that doesn't need to cost a first round pick.

Take a falling QB or a high end OL to build your team at 24. Then if you want a big bodied receiver that can put nickel corners and safeties in a bind, just draft one much later in the draft. Nico Collins from Michigan would be great at bullying small CBs for the ball running by larger safeties. So would the dude from Illinois with the long last name with too many vowels in it. That is just two guys from the Big10.

Pitts is the next "fools gold" at TE. He is huge. He is athletic as all get out. He is a WR. He does not block well enough to be a traditional NFL TE. He's gonna play all over the formation but as a massive WR. In fact, when I look into him the more and more I think he is an improved version of Eric Ebron. Like I would be all over that in not the first round of the draft. But for a high first round pick....not my cup of tea.

Mojouw
02-28-2021, 05:01 PM
To follow up on my last. Just retain Ebron to do some of what a guy like Pitts could do. Then draft someone like Farrell out of OSU at next to nothing in terms of draft cost and he will actually block people.

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/02/2021-nfl-draft-player-profiles-ohio-state-te-luke-farrell/

Then if you want to get size mismatches in the passing game go get one of the half dozen massive WRs that are projected as 3-5 round guys.

Born2Steel
02-28-2021, 05:20 PM
Because of the 5th yr option I would have to value both QBs first. Either one over the field.

Then probably Darrisaw at OT because he was good enough to stymie Chase Young for an entire game. That's an upgrade.

Barmore falls to 4 because Heyward is signed thru 2024 and Tuitt is signed thru 2022. The player value is higher but the need value drops him.

Last for me is a TE that is a big WR only. I have nothing against his game, I put a lesser value on Pitts compared to the others on the list.

teegre
02-28-2021, 09:08 PM
Pitts is a very willing blocker... he’s just not good at it. I’m not sure if that’s worse, but at least he puts forth full effort (which tells he that he can be coached to block better).

As far as size goes, Miles Boykin is the same size as Randy Moss. My point is that guys like Pitts and Moss are freaks for a multitude of reasons: hands, catch radius, ability to separate, ability to “Moss” an opponent, and yes, their height & weight.

hawaiiansteeler
03-01-2021, 05:32 PM
Ray Fittipaldo's second seven-round Steelers mock draft

2. TE Pat Freiermuth, Penn State (6-5, 260) — The Steelers have been trying to replace Heath Miller for the past five years without much success. Finally, they might have an answer if they can grab Freiermuth in this spot. Freiermuth is considered the No. 2 tight end in this class behind Florida’s Kyle Pitts, who is expected to be a top-10 pick. This pick would solve a couple of problems the Steelers are facing. For one, Eric Ebron is entering the final year of his contract. Freiermuth would immediately become the No. 2 tight end and then become the starter in 2021. Another reason this makes sense is the Steelers need a solid blocking tight end to help the run game. Freiermuth can do that as a rookie. This pick also gives the Steelers some flexibility in replacing slot receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster, who is expected to leave as a free agent. Freiermuth isn’t overly fast, but he is athletic and showed a knack for making big plays for the Nittany Lions.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2021/02/25/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-mock-draft-jalen-mayfield-pat-freiermuth/stories/202102240134

RunNGun
03-02-2021, 12:49 AM
The following 5 prospects fall to pick 24 overall. With the roster sitting as it is currently, list your order of draft value.

1. Christian Barmore DL Bama
2. Trey Lance QB North Dakota State
3. Kyle Pitts TE Florida
4. Christian Darrisaw LT VaTech
5. Justin Fields QB OSU

These are 5 names that I have seen ranked by most scout sites as top 5-20 prospects in this draft. Yet I have seen them mocked to fall as far as 24 in several mock draft sites as well. Just curious what the slant of the forum is on these 5 prospects.

TBH, I don't like any of those guys at 24, but if I chose one it would be Darrisaw. I do not want a QB in rd 1. I'd rather wait until the 2022 draft to address that position.

hawaiiansteeler
03-02-2021, 01:12 AM
TBH, I don't like any of those guys at 24, but if I chose one it would be Darrisaw. I do not want a QB in rd 1. I'd rather wait until the 2022 draft to address that position.

I agree about the QBs, no sense in wasting a year of the cheap QB rookie contract.

hawaiiansteeler
03-02-2021, 01:29 PM
2021 NFL Draft Steelers’ Big Board – Top 50 Players

By Scott Pavelle
Posted on March 2, 2021

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/03/2021-nfl-draft-steelers-big-board-top-50-players/

Born2Steel
03-02-2021, 01:44 PM
2021 NFL Draft Steelers’ Big Board – Top 50 Players

By Scott Pavelle
Posted on March 2, 2021

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/03/2021-nfl-draft-steelers-big-board-top-50-players/

Interesting order.