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Fire Goodell
12-08-2020, 11:41 AM
Is there any good reason at this point? The Steelers lead the NFL in dropped passes (big surprise), and it appears that Ebron is a major contributor to that. I don't see what's so great about him, he's soft in the blocking game, and he always seems to get stopped soon after the catch.
McDonald isn't the best catcher either, but his blocking is solid, and in the past he has shown to be tough to bring down after the catch. Is he injured or not 100% recovered from the Covid? I don't understand why this guy isn't starting over Ebron at this point
SteelMayhem72
12-08-2020, 12:14 PM
Good question and McDonalds past health issues is the only reason I can think of. Availability of McDonald is probably why Ebron was brought in
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Shoes
12-08-2020, 12:17 PM
Because the steelers shit the bed by not drafting kittle. Don't get me going! :chuckle:
Mojouw
12-08-2020, 12:17 PM
The Steelers have decided to trade blocking for the match-up nightmare that Ebron represents. He is almost always open. When he does catch the ball, he is capable of making catches that McDonald can only dream about. I think that it is pretty obvious why the Steelers prefer Ebron. He fits who they are right now. A giant WR that can get open on both LBs and DBs.
DesertSteel
12-08-2020, 12:20 PM
Jesse James is looking pretty good for the Lions! :-/
Fire Goodell
12-08-2020, 12:25 PM
The Steelers have decided to trade blocking for the match-up nightmare that Ebron represents. He is almost always open. When he does catch the ball, he is capable of making catches that McDonald can only dream about. I think that it is pretty obvious why the Steelers prefer Ebron. He fits who they are right now. A giant WR that can get open on both LBs and DBs.
When he does catch the ball is a big if. I rather have the guy that can open running lanes and make some YAC yardage. Ebron is basically what you said, a big receiver. He'd be a good player if he didn't drop so many passes, but that was the reason why Detroit gave up on him. I don't see it changing at this point in his career.
El-Gonzo Jackson
12-08-2020, 12:39 PM
Jesse James is looking pretty good for the Lions! :-/
Yup and his 12 catches and 2 TD's this season for $5.6million contract..........are a steal of a deal for the Lions!! The Lions are the new Bengals.
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When he does catch the ball is a big if. I rather have the guy that can open running lanes and make some YAC yardage. Ebron is basically what you said, a big receiver. He'd be a good player if he didn't drop so many passes, but that was the reason why Detroit gave up on him. I don't see it changing at this point in his career.
The positive is that I think Ebron at least doesnt have the most dropped passes on the team. Thought I saw that Johnson has more. :doh:
Born2Steel
12-08-2020, 12:41 PM
The Steelers have decided to trade blocking for the match-up nightmare that Ebron represents. He is almost always open. When he does catch the ball, he is capable of making catches that McDonald can only dream about. I think that it is pretty obvious why the Steelers prefer Ebron. He fits who they are right now. A giant WR that can get open on both LBs and DBs.
This is the correct answer. Agree with the decision or don't but this is the very reason.
Mojouw
12-08-2020, 12:48 PM
When he does catch the ball is a big if. I rather have the guy that can open running lanes and make some YAC yardage. Ebron is basically what you said, a big receiver. He'd be a good player if he didn't drop so many passes, but that was the reason why Detroit gave up on him. I don't see it changing at this point in his career.
Ebron is 4th in TE targets for the season. Tied for fourth in catches. 10th in yards. 10th in TDs. Ebron is just under 63% catch rate for all targets. Kelce, the current TE gold standard is at 71%. So Ebron would have had to catch around 6 more targets for him to have the exact same catch rate as Kelce.
Does Ebron make maddeningly simple catches turn into drops? Yup. But he hasn't exactly been doing it a ridiculous rate until some super visible drops the last 2 weeks.
Is Ebron everything you could or would want in a TE? Far from it. But is he a fairly formidable match-up piece? yes.
cubanstogie
12-08-2020, 01:20 PM
Ebron has been very good this year, A couple of drops which anyone who watches football and not just Steelers games knew were inevitable. He whiffed on a block to a future Aaron Donald type player(probably not quite that good) and overall not his best game. I still think he offers more than vance, not to mention if Vance starts its a matter of time before injury anyway. I agree yards after catch not even close to a guy like Kelce or even ex QB TE on the skins but he’s more of a vertical type.
SteelMember
12-08-2020, 01:51 PM
I think everone going into the season knew what Ebron was...
Big, Atheltic, WR type, that seems to catch with his body rather than his hands most times.
Would make tough catches look amazing. Make easy ones look tough, and drop his fair share of those.
Blocking, a bonus if he could even get his hands on a guy leagally.
His drops were lower than expected earlier in the year, imo.
Now that the year is progressed, and the weather is getting colder, the drops seem to be coming more frequently.
But he's still who we though he was.
Outside of McDonald trucking a guy, he's been a non-factor... even when he was the #1
SteelMember
12-08-2020, 01:56 PM
Jesse James is looking pretty good for the Lions! :-/
But the Lions have Hockenson. Ask Shoes about him... :chuckle:
James will always be a #2 TE
86WARD
12-08-2020, 01:57 PM
The Steelers have decided to trade blocking for the match-up nightmare that Ebron represents. He is almost always open. When he does catch the ball, he is capable of making catches that McDonald can only dream about. I think that it is pretty obvious why the Steelers prefer Ebron. He fits who they are right now. A giant WR that can get open on both LBs and DBs.
They need one of those Matt Spaeth/Mark Bruener type compliments...
DesertSteel
12-08-2020, 06:58 PM
Yup and his 12 catches and 2 TD's this season for $5.6million contract..........are a steal of a deal for the Lions!! The Lions are the new Bengals.
Thats better than McDonald right?
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HollywoodSteel
12-08-2020, 07:46 PM
Thats better than McDonald right?
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But we refuse to even try to use McDonald. I know he’s less athletic than Ebron, but he’s way more of a Steeler.
I acknowledge that it’s kind of an emotional bias here, but I’ve learned to hate Ebron. He’s just cocky and acts like he’s some kind of Super Star. Every time he opens his mouth to complain or say something stupid, all I can think is that he should be spending that free time on the juggs machine.
If I were Tomlin I’d honestly dress him down in front of the team and tell him exactly what I said about the juggs machine. Nobody dropping balls has any business tweeting about how the NFL should treat them when they go to the super bowl.
I couldn’t stand the cocky ass Ravens with their Big Truss bullshit last year, and I think when the Titans humbled them the world rightly cheered.
I don’t want to be the fucking Ravens who are a reflection of their whiny and cocky coach. I think the Steelers should project Tomlin’s attitude: we can take whatever you throw at us. No complaints. Just rise to the challenge.
Ebron is such the anti Heath Miller. He still looks weird to me in a Steelers uniform.
Lions and Colts fans all hate him. They said we’d hate him too. And I do.
Drazo85
12-09-2020, 07:33 AM
I share your sentiments toward him. Showing off and having fun is okay, if you back it up on the field. That's why most of us liked AB until he got totally beserk. Ebron is plain and simple annoying, he talks the talk, but he's not walking the walk.
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Shoes
12-09-2020, 08:06 AM
Here's Tomlin's answer to why he may be riding the pine.
https://steelersdepot.com/2020/12/tomlin-on-how-to-fix-drop-issues-catch-the-ball-or-get-replaced/
DesertSteel
12-09-2020, 08:18 AM
Here's Tomlin's answer to why he may be riding the pine.
https://steelersdepot.com/2020/12/tomlin-on-how-to-fix-drop-issues-catch-the-ball-or-get-replaced/
That includes a lot of other guys too.
Shoes
12-09-2020, 08:23 AM
That includes a lot of other guys too.
Yep, as it should.
EzraTank
12-09-2020, 09:58 AM
He's starting because he's a better pass catcher than McDonald (and he's not made of glass like McDonald either). Yes he drops a lot of balls but when he does catch them he's a monster.
El-Gonzo Jackson
12-09-2020, 10:48 AM
Thats better than McDonald right?
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Definitely! Plus I think they are paying McDroptheball $7.9million this season for nothing.
Lions paid a lot for a #2 TE, while the Steelers pay even more for a "never was" TE they dont even use. I never understood the fascination with McDonald.
Mojouw
12-09-2020, 10:59 AM
I am kinda surprised at all the Ebron hate. Sure, he had some horrible drops the past 2 weeks. And, I would like to think, we all knew those were coming. It is part of his "brand". As to the social media stuff...I don't social media or listen to sports "reports" that do...so that is really easy to ignore.
Statistically...Ebron is a top 10 TE in the 2020 NFL...https://www.lineups.com/nfl/tight-end-te-stats
He still can't block worth a tinker's dam and the Steelers insistence in asking him to is infuriating...but the guys he was/is replacing couldn't block worth snot either. Let's not get it twisted that McDonald is some monster blocker as a TE. He is merely competent when compared to the non-factors as blockers that are Eric Ebron and Jesse James.
Fire Goodell
12-09-2020, 11:45 AM
That includes a lot of other guys too.
Diontae Johnson as well shouldn't be benched but Washington should be given more playing time. Washington isn't as flashy but he's been making plays all year when given the opportunity. Even Ben said James deserves more playing time.
Johnson is also concerning, he's been dropping passes at a higher rate this year than last. A player in his 2nd year showing regression from his rookie season is something to be worried about
EzraTank
12-09-2020, 02:02 PM
After watching last week, one thing is certain, Claypool should be in on every passing down. He makes defenses change the way the defend.
Mojouw
12-09-2020, 02:46 PM
Diontae Johnson as well shouldn't be benched but Washington should be given more playing time. Washington isn't as flashy but he's been making plays all year when given the opportunity. Even Ben said James deserves more playing time.
Johnson is also concerning, he's been dropping passes at a higher rate this year than last. A player in his 2nd year showing regression from his rookie season is something to be worried about
Johnson's catch % has gone down by 3 passes total while seeing almost 3 more targets per game. I think he is the exact same guy -- just with more opportunities to be that guy.
JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
12-10-2020, 04:33 AM
Is Ike Taylor our wr's coach ? Some blame needs to be on our wr's coaches.
teegre
12-10-2020, 07:33 AM
A: Ebron is our best TE
He has already eclipsed The Outlaw’s best season, and pretty much already matched McDonald’s best season. Plus, Ebron has the potential (the dreaded “p” word) to put up a 13 TD season (honestly, Ebron could rattle off a TD in each of the next four games).
Speaking of TEs, I know he won’t drop to us, and I know that we need to draft an O-lineman, but Kyle Pitts (Florida) is gonna be insane!!! If we somehow get him... :willy:
SteelMember
12-10-2020, 09:11 AM
Is Ike Taylor our wr's coach ? Some blame needs to be on our wr's coaches.
Ike Hilliard is WR coach. James Daniel is TE coach.
Darryl Drake was a big loss. rip.
Speaking of TEs, I know he won’t drop to us, and I know that we need to draft an O-lineman, but Kyle Pitts (Florida) is gonna be insane!!! If we somehow get him... :willy:
Already projected top 5 pick... Yeah, he's crazy good, but he won't be there at 32. :wink02:
El-Gonzo Jackson
12-10-2020, 11:38 AM
A: Ebron is our best TE
He has already eclipsed The Outlaw’s best season, and pretty much already matched McDonald’s best season. Plus, Ebron has the potential (the dreaded “p” word) to put up a 13 TD season (honestly, Ebron could rattle off a TD in each of the next four games).
Speaking of TEs, I know he won’t drop to us, and I know that we need to draft an O-lineman, but Kyle Pitts (Florida) is gonna be insane!!! If we somehow get him... :willy:
"Potential" is a fancy french word that means you havent done anything yet---Bill Parcells
I think after 7 NFL seasons of being a pass catching TE, if you still are dropping a fair amount of passes, then the potential to become a more reliable catcher of the football is minimal. Sure he is the best TE right now, but still saying that the Steelers need to look at upgrading next season. When your best TE has a history of dropping the football and cant block well, then its not great.
Mojouw
12-10-2020, 11:57 AM
"Potential" is a fancy french word that means you havent done anything yet---Bill Parcells
I think after 7 NFL seasons of being a pass catching TE, if you still are dropping a fair amount of passes, then the potential to become a more reliable catcher of the football is minimal. Sure he is the best TE right now, but still saying that the Steelers need to look at upgrading next season. When your best TE has a history of dropping the football and cant block well, then its not great.
That is all true. But here is my thing...Ebron is far from the only guy in the league that plays exactly like he does. The NFL is lousy with TEs that run like giant WRs and don't really block. Other teams seem to figure out ways to work around this...but the Steelers seem stubbornly insistent on asking Ebron to not only block but to make critical blocks. Last week they had him trying to block Chase Young at the goal line...guess who blew up the play?
My question is whether this is just a thing that happens when your TE can't block or if the Steelers are just being kinda dumb and not finding ways around a non-blocking TE?
SteelMember
12-10-2020, 12:10 PM
I think that's just them trying to run a different option from the personnel grouping.
They want him out there for the threat, but when the play is called for someone else, he has to at least make an effort.
The play you reference, he basically motioned too far from the end of the line, and Chase just made an inside move.
That motion is basically trying to move defensive players away from the other [run] side.
He is probably more inclined to take that motion and release as a short, outside target most other times.
Mojouw
12-10-2020, 12:39 PM
I think that's just them trying to run a different option from the personnel grouping.
They want him out there for the threat, but when the play is called for someone else, he has to at least make an effort.
The play you reference, he basically motioned too far from the end of the line, and Chase just made an inside move.
That motion is basically trying to move defensive players away from the other [run] side.
He is probably more inclined to take that motion and release as a short, outside target most other times.
OK. Still kinda seems like the Steelers are consistently asking Ebron to do things he just isn't any good at (we can debate all day on whether he should or shouldn't be good at them) and I don't watch enough of other teams but say the NYG. Do they ask Engram to block in similar ways? Or do they get around Engram's blocking woes in other ways? What about the Raiders with a guy like Waller? Is he really an awesome blocker?
Again just kinda thinking out loud...
Hawkman
12-10-2020, 01:47 PM
OK. Still kinda seems like the Steelers are consistently asking Ebron to do things he just isn't any good at (we can debate all day on whether he should or shouldn't be good at them) and I don't watch enough of other teams but say the NYG. Do they ask Engram to block in similar ways? Or do they get around Engram's blocking woes in other ways? What about the Raiders with a guy like Waller? Is he really an awesome blocker?
Again just kinda thinking out loud...
I think most people here want a Heath replacement, and that is really hard to come by. Great in line blocking, good hands, hard to get on the ground, (until the last couple of seasons), always available, and high IQ. Gronk has most of those, but even he has had big stretches of injuries which left him unavailable.
Mojouw
12-10-2020, 02:00 PM
I think most people here want a Heath replacement, and that is really hard to come by. Great in line blocking, good hands, hard to get on the ground, (until the last couple of seasons), always available, and high IQ. Gronk has most of those, but even he has had big stretches of injuries which left him unavailable.
Sure. That makes sense. But they are very unlikely to get that guy again. I just think that the coaching staff's insistence that Ebron block in line is just dumb at this point. He can't do it. Full stop. No amount of coaching, drills, encouragement, whatever is going to fix it. He does and always will be horrible at it. So why put a guy in a position to fail?
hawaiiansteeler
12-10-2020, 02:19 PM
Start 'Em
Eric Ebron at Bills (8:20 p.m. ET, NBC): Ebron has been peppered with targets in recent weeks, seeing a combined 29 over his last three games. That trend should continue against the Bills in what could be a shootout at Orchard Park. Buffalo has been generous to tight ends, allowing seven touchdowns and an average of nearly 16 fantasy points per game to the position. With Ben Roethlisberger throwing the football a ton, Ebron should be seen as a top-10 option this week.
https://www.si.com/fantasy/2020/12/09/start-em-sit-em-week-14-tight-ends
HollywoodSteel
12-10-2020, 04:17 PM
Sure. That makes sense. But they are very unlikely to get that guy again. I just think that the coaching staff's insistence that Ebron block in line is just dumb at this point. He can't do it. Full stop. No amount of coaching, drills, encouragement, whatever is going to fix it. He does and always will be horrible at it. So why put a guy in a position to fail?
I definitely agree that sometimes the element of surprise (by keeping the same grouping) needs to be sacrificed when someone is just incompetent at something. Just like you won’t keep a bad blocking RB in to protect Ben in crucial passing situations.
I totally accept that on net Ebron is the superior TE to McDonald. But I still think they should mix it up sometimes because at least McDonald brings some versatility. Pass to him a few times so you can leave him in on as a blocking TE in certain situations. There’s a reason why TE is a different position than wr. A TE who absolutely can not block is just a wr lined up in a different place, except you wouldn’t leave a wr in to run block against an OLB or DE.
Mojouw
12-10-2020, 04:55 PM
I definitely agree that sometimes the element of surprise (by keeping the same grouping) needs to be sacrificed when someone is just incompetent at something. Just like you won’t keep a bad blocking RB in to protect Ben in crucial passing situations.
I totally accept that on net Ebron is the superior TE to McDonald. But I still think they should mix it up sometimes because at least McDonald brings some versatility. Pass to him a few times so you can leave him in on as a blocking TE in certain situations. There’s a reason why TE is a different position than wr. A TE who absolutely can not block is just a wr lined up in a different place, except you wouldn’t leave a wr in to run block against an OLB or DE.
Yeah, I totally agree. They are being oddly stubborn about their TE usage. I rarely bash away at the coaching staff...but unless I am missing something...this is just a 12 week experiment in stupid.
Ebron has repeatedly demonstrated that he is not an effective blocker. He often fails to get a body on his assignment, stay engaged, or (and this one is really fun) pick the right guy to block. Like he seems to try real hard. But so did Jesse James and he was crap as a blocker too.
All that being said against Ebron...who is the coaching genius who decides to have him assigned to root out the star DE on short yardage plays? That is just dumb and has got to stop.
Hawkman
12-10-2020, 06:27 PM
Sure. That makes sense. But they are very unlikely to get that guy again. I just think that the coaching staff's insistence that Ebron block in line is just dumb at this point. He can't do it. Full stop. No amount of coaching, drills, encouragement, whatever is going to fix it. He does and always will be horrible at it. So why put a guy in a position to fail?
No argument here, but what’s the solution with what we have to work with? The Hawkins thing isn’t working, maybe with a little more practice......
teegre
12-10-2020, 08:43 PM
"Potential" is a fancy french word that means you havent done anything yet---Bill Parcells
I think after 7 NFL seasons of being a pass catching TE, if you still are dropping a fair amount of passes, then the potential to become a more reliable catcher of the football is minimal. Sure he is the best TE right now, but still saying that the Steelers need to look at upgrading next season. When your best TE has a history of dropping the football and cant block well, then its not great.
Yep... he’s the one-eyed man in the land of the blind.
As far as potential goes, Ebron has actually had a 13 TD season... which is better than most TEs can say. (Tony Gonzalez never had that many in a season, and Gronk only had one season with 13+ TDs.) Furthermore, an average season for Ebron is better than McDonald’s best season.
But, Yes, as Shoes will attest to: the Steelers have needed an upgrade at TE for about five years. Ebron is better than McDonald, but he’s not consistent, he’s not a blocker, and he’s not the answer.
Mojouw
12-10-2020, 08:59 PM
No argument here, but what’s the solution with what we have to work with? The Hawkins thing isn’t working, maybe with a little more practice......
No idea. But different playcalls I guess. I'm not clever enough to describe it but have Ebron block in space like a WR. He can kinda do that. Now who blocks his spot in line? That's the part I'm too out my depth to guess at.
teegre
12-10-2020, 09:08 PM
No idea. But different playcalls I guess. I'm not clever enough to describe it but have Ebron block in space like a WR. He can kinda do that. Now who blocks his spot in line? That's the part I'm too out my depth to guess at.
If he goes out for a pass, someone has to cover him. A LB cannot keep up; so it puts an extra DB on the firld (which in & of itself would help the run game).
teegre
12-10-2020, 09:26 PM
at 32. :wink02:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJbmB9k2Y88&app=desktop&persist_app=1
Shoes
12-11-2020, 03:27 AM
Draft this guy. He had season ending surgery on his shoulder in November to be ready for the draft season.
Pat Freiermuth is the total package at the tight end position
In addition to being one of the most feared red-zone threats in college football, Pat Freiermuth brings an arsenal of traits to the table that will have front offices salivating during NFL Draft season.
Freiermuth has plus size and a good frame, which he utilizes to box out defenders for the football. He is strong at the catch point and consistently demonstrates the ability to make tough catches in traffic. He has tremendous hands, only accumulating five drops in his collegiate career. Tackling Freiermuth in the open field is not an easy task, as he rarely goes down on initial contact and showcases the desire to run defenders over.
Freiermuth offers tremendous versatility, highlighted by his ability to line up in the slot or play more of an in-line tight end role. Unlike the other top tight end prospects in the 2021 class, he is a willing and capable blocker. Freiermuth, the ultimate competitor, isn’t afraid to mix it up with defensive linemen and pave lanes in the running game.
Freiermuth checks all the boxes with his size, strong mitts, leadership, athleticism, and massive touchdown production. He might not possess the freaky athleticism that Florida’s Kyle Pitts owns, but Freiermuth is a far more complete player.
https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-pat-freiermuth-penn-state-te-similar-to-hunter-henry (https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-pat-freiermuth-penn-state-te-similar-to-hunter-henry)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y7fLGuvTT8
teegre
12-11-2020, 07:22 AM
Shoes, I’m going to trust your ability to pick TEs. :nod:
I haven’t seen much of him. Would any Penn St. fans want to chime in?
From what I’m reading, pick 96 (:wink02:) seems right.
teegre
12-11-2020, 07:56 AM
After reading some more, Freiermuth being mocked around 30-40. Soooo... at 32. :wink02:
Shoes
12-11-2020, 08:08 AM
After reading some more, Freiermuth being mocked around 30-40. Soooo... at 32. :wink02:
I'm hoping Pitts goes before Freiermuth and somehow he will end up a Steeler. :eyebrows:
tube517
12-11-2020, 08:08 AM
Maybe he will "drop" to us like Heath did.
teegre
12-11-2020, 09:04 AM
I'm hoping Pitts goes before Freiermuth and somehow he will end up a Steeler. :eyebrows:
Most mocks I’m seeing have Pitts going to the Cowboys (somewhere in the 4-8 range) to go along with that bevy of receivers.
(fingers crossed)
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Maybe he will "drop" to us like Heath did.
Top 15 player who drops due to injury concerns...
Shoes
12-11-2020, 09:23 AM
Maybe he will "drop" to us like Heath did.
I'd be fine with that.
teegre
12-11-2020, 09:25 AM
Pitts is the clear-cut, top prospect. After that, the debate surrounds Freiermuth and Brevin Jordan*.
*Miami has produced so many TEs: Bubba Franks, Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, Jimmy Graham, Greg Olsen, David Njoku, Chris Herndon...
86WARD
12-11-2020, 01:05 PM
Pitts is the clear-cut, top prospect. After that, the debate surrounds Freiermuth and Brevin Jordan*.
*Miami has produced so many TEs: Bubba Franks, Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, Jimmy Graham, Greg Olsen, David Njoku, Chris Herndon...
I watched Freiermuth every week up until the injury. The guy is pretty good. Very athletic, good blocker. If he is there at 32, I’d take him in a second. May get Ben excited for a couple more years or offer up a good dependable outlet to a young QB.
DesertSteel
12-12-2020, 02:34 PM
Notre Dame has a good one, Michael Mayer, but he's just a freshman.
Shoes
12-12-2020, 02:46 PM
Notre Dame has a good one, Michael Mayer, but he's just a freshman.
the R1 TE the Steelers will draft hasn't been born yet. :chuckle:
Born2Steel
12-13-2020, 01:43 PM
Check out Tony Poljan of Virginia. TE with a very similar path as Heath. But this guy is 6'7".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or1vBE4Qd3k
pczach
12-13-2020, 04:15 PM
Here's a great link with a draft evaluation and lots of info about Freiermuth, TE Penn State
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/pat-freiermuth-nfl-draft-player-profile-2021/
pczach
12-13-2020, 04:41 PM
Shoes, I’m going to trust your ability to pick TEs. :nod:
I haven’t seen much of him. Would any Penn St. fans want to chime in?
From what I’m reading, pick 96 (:wink02:) seems right.
I have watched this kid's entire career. He's a player.
The video posted by Shoes displays much of his physical talent. He's not a "freak" athlete that is going to run a 4.4 at 260 lbs. What you are getting is a player that is polished. He's an excellent route runner with great hands and a terrific feel for the game. He understands how to get open, and he knows how to use the gifts that God gave him. He's a guy that can make contested catches, and he's athletic enough to track the ball well and contort his body to make difficult catches. To me, he projects as a complete TE at the NFL level. He is advanced in his route running and runs advanced route trees. He is a natural pass catcher that is a hands-catcher. He makes catches through significant contact and runs hard after the catch.
He has had terrible quarterback play this season. His stats don't tell the tale of his skill. They have leaned on Freiermuth to be a primary target of the offense for a few seasons now. I think fans would be very happy if the Steelers were lucky enough to get him.
He's not a dominant in-line blocker, but he is physical enough to get things done while he also shows good effort and is a coachable kid. He has the build and the desire to get much better with NFL coaching. I think he will thrive in the NFL.
teegre
12-18-2020, 07:37 AM
Matt Miller stated that he wants Pat Freiermuth to be a Steeler. Something to the effect of: “Freiermuth just seems like a Steeler...”
Drazo85
12-19-2020, 06:43 AM
https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-four-downs-despite-production-eric-ebron-leads-nfl-tight-ends-in-penalties-drops/
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teegre
12-20-2020, 10:30 AM
https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-four-downs-despite-production-eric-ebron-leads-nfl-tight-ends-in-penalties-drops/
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Meanwhile, Kyle Pitts was catching uncatchable passes in triple coverage. Holy smokes!!!... that kid is going to be a superstar.
Shoes
12-20-2020, 10:41 AM
Meanwhile, Kyle Pitts was catching uncatchable passes in triple coverage. Holy smokes!!!... that kid is going to be a superstar.
hopefully one of these guys are on the steelers radar
teegre
12-20-2020, 10:49 AM
hopefully one of these guys are on the steelers radar
He’s on everyone’s radar. :wink02:
After last night, he’s a lock to go top 4. QB, QB, Sewell, Pitts... and, maybe even higher if the team at #2 doesn’t need a QB.
hawaiiansteeler
12-20-2020, 01:42 PM
Matt Miller stated that he wants Pat Freiermuth to be a Steeler. Something to the effect of: “Freiermuth just seems like a Steeler...”
hasn't given up a sack in over 1000 snaps.
teegre
12-20-2020, 05:31 PM
hasn't given up a sack in over 1000 snaps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvUL28Skt6E&app=desktop&persist_app=1
Six Rings
12-21-2020, 08:07 AM
Ebron has been very good this year, A couple of drops which anyone who watches football and not just Steelers games knew were inevitable. He whiffed on a block to a future Aaron Donald type player(probably not quite that good) and overall not his best game. I still think he offers more than vance, not to mention if Vance starts its a matter of time before injury anyway. I agree yards after catch not even close to a guy like Kelce or even ex QB TE on the skins but he’s more of a vertical type.
Ebron has a good start. Lately he's been bad on and off the field.
HollywoodSteel
12-21-2020, 07:01 PM
hopefully one of these guys are on the steelers radar
Do you think this year’s draft is deep enough at TE to get a good one with a mid round pick? I’m just not sure if we’ll go TE in the first round with all the needs we’ll have.
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