RB Leonard Fournette on the Trade Block.

[polamalubeast]

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[BlackAndGold]

They shouldn't expect much in return.

[stillers4me]

I remember that guy thoroughly burning us............we had no answer for him.

[polamalubeast]

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[polamalubeast]

Of course…

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[Born2Steel]

It's $4M this year for whoever takes him plus a 5th year option in 2021.

[Mojouw]

One of the most over-rated RBs in the game. He is powerful and determined runner, but so?

[86WARD]

He's just a shorter version of James Conner...lol.

[pczach]

One of the most over-rated RBs in the game. He is powerful and determined runner, but so?



Yes, he's very determined to get to his next meal! :chuckle:

He just doesn't seem to want it. He puts on weight and is out of shape often. That's not a great sign for a RB.

[cubanstogie]

Yes, he's very determined to get to his next meal! :chuckle:

He just doesn't seem to want it. He puts on weight and is out of shape often. That's not a great sign for a RB.
True but now he’s at tail end of rookie contract he should show some urgency. Could only imagine what he balloons up to after signing for big money

[Craic]

I am not saying this is a one-to-one comparison. It's just a good idea to keep in mind that coming into the 1996 draft, Jerome Bettis was thought of in much the same way by the Rams and probably other organizations (otherwise, why could we pick him up with a fourth round pick?).

Here are their overall per game stats for the first two years:






Rush


Rece




Rk
Player
From
To
Att
Yds
TD
Rec
Yds
TD


1
Jerome Bettis*
1993
1995
16.9
65.8
0.3
1.6
13.7
0.0


2
Leonard Fournette
2017
2019
18.5
73.1
0.5
3.7
28.0
0.1




Going per year, here's Jerome's first three years





Game
Game
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush





Year
Age
Tm
G
GS
Rush
Yds
TD
1D
Lng
Y/A
Y/G
A/G
RRTD
Fmb
AV


1993*+
21
RAM
16
12
294
1429
7

71
4.9
89.3
18.4
7
4
12


1994*
22
RAM
16
16
319
1025
3
57
19
3.2
64.1
19.9
4
5
8


1995
23
STL
15
13
183
637
3
24
41
3.5
42.5
12.2
3
4
4



And here's Fournette's numbers





Game
Game
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush





Year
Age
Tm
G
GS
Rush
Yds
TD
1D
Lng
Y/A
Y/G
A/G
RRTD
Fmb
AV


2017
22
JAX
13
13
268
1040
9
51
90
3.9
80.0
20.6
10
2
8


2018
23
JAX
8
8
133
439
5
23
25
3.3
54.9
16.6
6
0
3


2019
24
JAX
15
15
265
1152
3
55
81
4.3
76.8
17.7
3
1
10




the only glaring differences I see is Fournette's missed more games. Jerome had a better rushing average per rush his first year, but Fournette had a much better rushing average his last year (I went by average since touches were less). Two other differences stand out. Fournette had more TDs per game and less fumbles per game. Finally, looking at his AV, his stock seemed to bounce back a little in his third year. Bettis didn't until his fourth year.

Again, Fournette's not Bettis. But, I would think very hard about simply writing the kid off as we've already had a story like this in our past. So, if the Jags are willing to trade a fourth round pick or so? I'd take it in a heartbeat. He's worth more than a fourth rounder that may or may not make the team. Sure, there's the cap to worry about. But, I didn't include that in my discussion because everyone here seemed to be dismissing him because of his least season or two, not because of cap reasons. But, if we could do so, it'd be worth it as we basically have a year to see if we like him and then decide what to do with him.

tl;dr If we can get him in under the cap for a fourth rounder or less, I'm all for seeing if lightning can strike twice in Pittsburgh Bettis-style.

[polamalubeast]

I am not saying this is a one-to-one comparison. It's just a good idea to keep in mind that coming into the 1996 draft, Jerome Bettis was thought of in much the same way by the Rams and probably other organizations (otherwise, why could we pick him up with a fourth round pick?).

Here are their overall per game stats for the first two years:






Rush


Rece




Rk
Player
From
To
Att
Yds
TD
Rec
Yds
TD


1
Jerome Bettis*
1993
1995
16.9
65.8
0.3
1.6
13.7
0.0


2
Leonard Fournette
2017
2019
18.5
73.1
0.5
3.7
28.0
0.1




Going per year, here's Jerome's first three years





Game
Game
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush





Year
Age
Tm
G
GS
Rush
Yds
TD
1D
Lng
Y/A
Y/G
A/G
RRTD
Fmb
AV


1993*+
21
RAM
16
12
294
1429
7

71
4.9
89.3
18.4
7
4
12


1994*
22
RAM
16
16
319
1025
3
57
19
3.2
64.1
19.9
4
5
8


1995
23
STL
15
13
183
637
3
24
41
3.5
42.5
12.2
3
4
4



And here's Fournette's numbers





Game
Game
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush
Rush





Year
Age
Tm
G
GS
Rush
Yds
TD
1D
Lng
Y/A
Y/G
A/G
RRTD
Fmb
AV


2017
22
JAX
13
13
268
1040
9
51
90
3.9
80.0
20.6
10
2
8


2018
23
JAX
8
8
133
439
5
23
25
3.3
54.9
16.6
6
0
3


2019
24
JAX
15
15
265
1152
3
55
81
4.3
76.8
17.7
3
1
10




the only glaring differences I see is Fournette's missed more games. Jerome had a better rushing average per rush his first year, but Fournette had a much better rushing average his last year (I went by average since touches were less). Two other differences stand out. Fournette had more TDs per game and less fumbles per game. Finally, looking at his AV, his stock seemed to bounce back a little in his third year. Bettis didn't until his fourth year.

Again, Fournette's not Bettis. But, I would think very hard about simply writing the kid off as we've already had a story like this in our past. So, if the Jags are willing to trade a fourth round pick or so? I'd take it in a heartbeat. He's worth more than a fourth rounder that may or may not make the team. Sure, there's the cap to worry about. But, I didn't include that in my discussion because everyone here seemed to be dismissing him because of his least season or two, not because of cap reasons. But, if we could do so, it'd be worth it as we basically have a year to see if we like him and then decide what to do with him.

tl;dr If we can get him in under the cap for a fourth rounder or less, I'm all for seeing if lightning can strike twice in Pittsburgh Bettis-style.

The problem is his salary ... Fournette would be under contract for just another year, since his 5th year of option will surely be over 10 million because he was a fourth overall pick, so no way the option will be taken

Also, we can have an RB in a draft better or at the same level than him in a draft and with a rookie salary for 3-4 years vs Fournette for only 1 year at 4.16 millions.

[Mojouw]

Bettis trade was how many decades ago? Fournette just doesn't fit what offenses are doing now. Maybe that's been lack of coaching and surrounding talent in Jax. I doubt it.

[Craic]

Bettis trade was how many decades ago? Fournette just doesn't fit what offenses are doing now. Maybe that's been lack of coaching and surrounding talent in Jax. I doubt it.

True, but I don't think the Steelers would mind a throw-back running back, especially for short-yardage situations. What I didn't include here was his receiving stats. Last year, he had 76 catches on 100 targets for 522 yards and 23 first downs. Of those 100 targets, he dropped the ball 6 times. The Steelers also like runners who can run between the tackles.

Again, I'm not saying we should. I'm saying I sure wouldn't be upset if we didn't, and it'd give me a little more confidence coming into next season.

[Mojouw]

True, but I don't think the Steelers would mind a throw-back running back, especially for short-yardage situations. What I didn't include here was his receiving stats. Last year, he had 76 catches on 100 targets for 522 yards and 23 first downs. Of those 100 targets, he dropped the ball 6 times. The Steelers also like runners who can run between the tackles.

Again, I'm not saying we should. I'm saying I sure wouldn't be upset if we didn't, and it'd give me a little more confidence coming into next season.

Fair. I've just never been a Fournette fan all that much.

I do think the larger conversation is interesting. Steelers fans have largely gone from believing you can find a Bell level RB anywhere to freaking out over which RB to draft in the top 50 picks.

Trading for Fournette might not be the worst idea, but I'd hope they don't.

[DesertSteel]

You can get a stud running back anywhere including UFAs. Guys that go in R1-2 have more potential so they should excel more. But the NFL is about more than potential.

[teegre]

He's an asshole. We just got rid of our locker room distraction. We do not need another one.

[Craic]

He's an asshole. We just got rid of our locker room distraction. We do not need another one.

Yeah, I just focusing on him as a player. I do not know about him as a person. Then again, word around the league was that Bettis was a malcontent as well. Funny how there's at least a few parallels. (Of course, with social media today, it's much easier to see a person's true character rather than what a team says of a person).

[polamalubeast]

He's an asshole. We just got rid of our locker room distraction. We do not need another one.

He thought in his rookie year that the NFL was easier than the NCAA!

[polamalubeast]

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[polamalubeast]

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[steelreserve]

I don't get why so much hate ... I mean, he seems like an ok running back; not a superstar, but good enough. The off-the-field stuff I really have no idea.

There's probably no reason to get him on our team specifically, but someone ought to have a use for him. Not at a premium price, though.

[teegre]

Yeah, I just focusing on him as a player. I do not know about him as a person. Then again, word around the league was that Bettis was a malcontent as well. Funny how there's at least a few parallels. (Of course, with social media today, it's much easier to see a person's true character rather than what a team says of a person).

Bettis his new coach didn’t see “eye to eye”. Bettis admits that he was a little bit immature, but Bettis (IMO) was never an asshole.

As far as Fournette goes, I don’t recall some of the earlier things that he has done/said, but just last week he threw his QB under the bus.

Let’s see...

There’s been talk for a few years about Fournette. Other teams know this.

After last week, Fournette simply has to go. Other teams know this.

Fournette is in the final year of his contract and wants a new deal. Other teams know this.

SUMMATION:
Other teams know that they can offer almost nothing for Fournette... and, the Jaguars will be lucky to get anything for him.

[polamalubeast]

The steelers are fourth in this list

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[polamalubeast]

Bettis his new coach didn’t see “eye to eye”. Bettis admits that he was a little bit immature, but Bettis (IMO) was never an asshole.

As far as Fournette goes, I don’t recall some of the earlier things that he has done/said, but just last week he threw his QB under the bus.

Let’s see...

There’s been talk for a few years about Fournette. Other teams know this.

After last week, Fournette simply has to go. Other teams know this.

Fournette is in the final year of his contract and wants a new deal. Other teams know this.

SUMMATION:
Other teams know that they can offer almost nothing for Fournette... and, the Jaguars will be lucky to get anything for him.



According to this report, Fournette was also often late in meetings and when he was in the meeting he often slept, so I don't want him!

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And speaking of the Jaguars, this organization is toxic like crazy, so many players want to leave and be traded and their culture is just atrocious ... Their 2017 season is perhaps the biggest fluke in the NFL since 2000 ... Only the 2001 Bears is a competition for the biggest fluke in the last two decades.

[86WARD]

True, but I don't think the Steelers would mind a throw-back running back, especially for short-yardage situations. What I didn't include here was his receiving stats. Last year, he had 76 catches on 100 targets for 522 yards and 23 first downs. Of those 100 targets, he dropped the ball 6 times. The Steelers also like runners who can run between the tackles.

Again, I'm not saying we should. I'm saying I sure wouldn't be upset if we didn't, and it'd give me a little more confidence coming into next season.

What makes Fournette a “throwback”? He’s basically the same size as Conner, maybe smaller. Why can’t Conner be that “throwback”?

[st33lersguy]

Tank for Trevor!

[cubanstogie]

He's an asshole. We just got rid of our locker room distraction. We do not need another one.
He might be, but Jacksonville front office is the common denominator. You look at all the unhappy players fighting with management and asking for trades. Maybe new environment could help this guy. I’d give a 4th for him. Put some weight incentive in contract. Let’s face it Conner is probably going to miss 4 plus games. Snell running For 1-2 yards on first down not going to cut it.

[Craic]

What makes Fournette a “throwback”? He’s basically the same size as Conner, maybe smaller. Why can’t Conner be that “throwback”?

Someone else was arguing that Fournette doesn't really fit in modern NFL offenses (at least, that's how I understood it. If it's misrepresented, I apologize). Thus, the throwback comment. Would you argue that Conner doesn't fit modern NFL offenses?

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He might be, but Jacksonville front office is the common denominator. You look at all the unhappy players fighting with management and asking for trades. Maybe new environment could help this guy. I’d give a 4th for him. Put some weight incentive in contract. Let’s face it Conner is probably going to miss 4 plus games. Snell running For 1-2 yards on first down not going to cut it.

This.

Of course, this is all based on having money under the cap and not leaving a hole in any other position. But, for a fourth round, I'd be willing to take that bet. How many fourth-round players stick around? If he does end up being a locker-room problem, then we dump him without cap problems the following year. If he comes in and plays well, then we can extend his rookie contract another year and see if it's a fluke.

[Mojouw]

Fournette just isn't that good at playing football in the NFL right now. We can debate the type of player or style of offense he is best suited for all day and never reach a consensus. But right now, Fournette is a highly inefficient back that gets stuffed for 3 yards or less a high % of his carries. How is that any different than what the Steelers have now?

So the idea would be to give up a draft pick for a player that costs a bunch of money and is arguably worse than some of the backs on the roster now?

[86WARD]

Someone else was arguing that Fournette doesn't really fit in modern NFL offenses (at least, that's how I understood it. If it's misrepresented, I apologize). Thus, the throwback comment. Would you argue that Conner doesn't fit modern offense?

No. I wouldn’t argue that Fournette doesn’t fit a modern offense either but I don’t think there’s much difference between the two of them. Similar in size. Similar YPC. Similar durability. Fournette has more wear and tear being a day one starter. Fournette costs more. So I kinda don’t get why anyone would want him on their team when they have a similar player for $3.5M less and a draft pick. If you had Fournette and could trade him for Conner, $3.5M and a draft pick, would you do it?

[cubanstogie]

Fournette just isn't that good at playing football in the NFL right now. We can debate the type of player or style of offense he is best suited for all day and never reach a consensus. But right now, Fournette is a highly inefficient back that gets stuffed for 3 yards or less a high % of his carries. How is that any different than what the Steelers have now?

So the idea would be to give up a draft pick for a player that costs a bunch of money and is arguably worse than some of the backs on the roster now?
It would be gamble like Ebron signing or any other transaction. Bottom line is guy is top ten pick talent wise. Give him a veteran qb, solid O line and a head coach who has dealt with head cases pretty well until AB went off deep end. If he and Ebron play to their potential you have well balanced offense who can attack in any phase. If it doesn’t pan out not a huge loss. I personally don’t see Snell as starter, and Conner would be a great sixth man to use basketball term. Like Bobby Jones was to sixers or iguadala to Warriors.

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No. I wouldn’t argue that Fournette doesn’t fit a modern offense either but I don’t think there’s much difference between the two of them. Similar in size. Similar YPC. Similar durability. Fournette has more wear and tear being a day one starter. Fournette costs more. So I kinda don’t get why anyone would want him on their team when they have a similar player for $3.5M less and a draft pick. If you had Fournette and could trade him for Conner, $3.5M and a draft pick, would you do it? your not trading him for a fourth and Conner. I would do a fourth, or even straight up for Conner.not both

[Craic]

No. I wouldn’t argue that Fournette doesn’t fit a modern offense either but I don’t think there’s much difference between the two of them. Similar in size. Similar YPC. Similar durability. Fournette has more wear and tear being a day one starter. Fournette costs more. So I kinda don’t get why anyone would want him on their team when they have a similar player for $3.5M less and a draft pick. If you had Fournette and could trade him for Conner, $3.5M and a draft pick, would you do it?

No, but with Conner's history of injuries and Fournette's missed games, I'd feel better with both of them on the roster for rookie contracts.

[polamalubeast]

No, but with Conner's history of injuries and Fournette's missed games, I'd feel better with both of them on the roster for rookie contracts.

Fournette will make over 4 millions per year in 2020...If the steelers want Fournette,they don't need to give up a fourth round pick,since his value is very low right now.

[Born2Steel]

Remember when Fournette was a 'can't miss' player that will set the standard for the next decade? Just another example of why the RB position is not under-valued, just valued less than the rest of the offense.

[st33lersguy]

I think at this point if you dare take a RB in the top 10 (which I advise against), he better be someone like Christian McCaffrey, speaking of which, wasn't he in the same draft class? (lol)

[polamalubeast]

I think at this point if you dare take a RB in the top 10 (which I advise against), he better be someone like Christian McCaffrey, speaking of which, wasn't he in the same draft class? (lol)

Yeah,McCaffrey was also in the top 10 in 2017...Kamara had been drafted in the 3rd round of this draft too.

[86WARD]

No, but with Conner's history of injuries and Fournette's missed games, I'd feel better with both of them on the roster for rookie contracts.

Fair enough...

[st33lersguy]

Yeah,McCaffrey was also in the top 10 in 2017...Kamara had been drafted in the 3rd round of this draft too.

Yeah, Saints got a top flight RB in the 3rd round and managed to get a pro bowl CB to address the secondary and an elite OT to address pass protection before doing so.

[teegre]

He might be, but Jacksonville front office is the common denominator. You look at all the unhappy players fighting with management and asking for trades.

True... the Jaguars send players running away.

Then again, one could say that they take “risky” players to begin with.

[polamalubeast]

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[Mojouw]

So let's see here:

expensive contract
missed more games than Connor
less successful run rate (gets stuffed more) than Conner
would mean giving up a draft pick
offers almost nothing in the passing game

All that is okay because of why? Because he was drafted high in the first round by one of the dumbest franchises in the league? Seriously...remember when people were wishing the Steelers were more like the Jaguars. That was fun!

When Bell left everyone insisted that almost anyone could be a great RB in the Steelers offense and blah blah blah because they were salty. Now, heaven forbid, there were some bad rushing season(s) and everyone wants to throw draft resources at the RB position because it makes them feel bad to not have a "dominant" rushing attack because "steeler football" or something.

Trading for Fournette would make the 2020 Pittsburgh Steelers a worse football team. If for no other reason than the "bump" from Conner to Fournette is not as big as the roster hole that a missing 3rd or 4th round pick + the other roster hole from the Fournette contract money creates would be.

Finally, riddle me this oh pundits of media that want to see this happen -- would you pay Conner $10 million dollars next season? No. Weird that is what Fournette will cost and Conner has been the better RB lately.

[polamalubeast]

So let's see here:

expensive contract
missed more games than Connor
less successful run rate (gets stuffed more) than Conner
would mean giving up a draft pick
offers almost nothing in the passing game

All that is okay because of why? Because he was drafted high in the first round by one of the dumbest franchises in the league? Seriously...remember when people were wishing the Steelers were more like the Jaguars. That was fun!

When Bell left everyone insisted that almost anyone could be a great RB in the Steelers offense and blah blah blah because they were salty. Now, heaven forbid, there were some bad rushing season(s) and everyone wants to throw draft resources at the RB position because it makes them feel bad to not have a "dominant" rushing attack because "steeler football" or something.

Trading for Fournette would make the 2020 Pittsburgh Steelers a worse football team. If for no other reason than the "bump" from Conner to Fournette is not as big as the roster hole that a missing 3rd or 4th round pick + the other roster hole from the Fournette contract money creates would be.

Finally, riddle me this oh pundits of media that want to see this happen -- would you pay Conner $10 million dollars next season? No. Weird that is what Fournette will cost and Conner has been the better RB lately.

I agree on Fournette...He is overrated because of some game against us in the past...Conner is a very good RB but his problem is of course his health ... I want another RB which is fast and to help Conner because he is not at his best after the 17th touch per Mark Kaboly… I'm going to be happy the day the steelers are going to have an RB per committee

[polamalubeast]

I prefer Matt Breida over Fournette...

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[polamalubeast]

Just look at the stats of Matt Breida after 3 years.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreiMa00.htm

Much better RB and fit for the steelers that Fournette….Breida is on the trade block,so if the steelers want a RB of another team I take Breida over Fournette everytime

[cubanstogie]

So let's see here:

expensive contract
missed more games than Connor
less successful run rate (gets stuffed more) than Conner
would mean giving up a draft pick
offers almost nothing in the passing game

All that is okay because of why? Because he was drafted high in the first round by one of the dumbest franchises in the league? Seriously...remember when people were wishing the Steelers were more like the Jaguars. That was fun!

When Bell left everyone insisted that almost anyone could be a great RB in the Steelers offense and blah blah blah because they were salty. Now, heaven forbid, there were some bad rushing season(s) and everyone wants to throw draft resources at the RB position because it makes them feel bad to not have a "dominant" rushing attack because "steeler football" or something.

Trading for Fournette would make the 2020 Pittsburgh Steelers a worse football team. If for no other reason than the "bump" from Conner to Fournette is not as big as the roster hole that a missing 3rd or 4th round pick + the other roster hole from the Fournette contract money creates would be.

Finally, riddle me this oh pundits of media that want to see this happen -- would you pay Conner $10 million dollars next season? No. Weird that is what Fournette will cost and Conner has been the better RB lately.
Non existent in receiving, 76 receptions. Fournette had 1700 yards from scrimmage last year and played in 15 games . Hard to argue Conner better lately. The money and losing draft choice I can agree on somewhat, wouldn’t give up a third. Ben has 1-2 years left, they need a dependable run game . I love Conners story and root for him, but he is not dependable, and the guys behind him are not starters in NFL IMO. Fournette or not I hope RB addressed.

[Mojouw]

Non existent in receiving, 76 receptions. Fournette had 1700 yards from scrimmage last year and played in 15 games . Hard to argue Conner better lately. The money and losing draft choice I can agree on somewhat, wouldn’t give up a third. Ben has 1-2 years left, they need a dependable run game . I love Conners story and root for him, but he is not dependable, and the guys behind him are not starters in NFL IMO. Fournette or not I hope RB addressed.

Fournette has missed more NFL games than Conner. He gets stuffed for 3 or less yards more frequently than Conner. Last year was the only year that Fournette did anything in the passing game and previously in his career he had been taken off the field in passing situations. Fournette is just a name more than a truly dominant player.

[BlackAndGold]

Just look at the stats of Matt Breida after 3 years.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreiMa00.htm

Much better RB and fit for the steelers that Fournette….Breida is on the trade block,so if the steelers want a RB of another team I take Breida over Fournette everytime

He has some speed also. Not sure what the price will be.

[polamalubeast]

Non existent in receiving, 76 receptions. Fournette had 1700 yards from scrimmage last year and played in 15 games . Hard to argue Conner better lately. The money and losing draft choice I can agree on somewhat, wouldn’t give up a third. Ben has 1-2 years left, they need a dependable run game . I love Conners story and root for him, but he is not dependable, and the guys behind him are not starters in NFL IMO. Fournette or not I hope RB addressed.

Among the last 54 RB with at least 75 receptions in a single season,Fournette is last in yards per target for a RB

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[cubanstogie]

Among the last 54 RB with at least 75 receptions in a single season,Fournette is last in yards per target for a RB

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I love the line Fournette doesn't fit what anybody does. 1700 yards from scrimmage with no other weapons and a 2nd string QB. Whether you want to take a gamble on the guy or not I get it. But saying he isn't productive in passing game is a reach. Samuels is supposed to excel in passing game, in his 2 abbreviated seasons he had 73 rec, avg 6.9 yards. Last year Fournette had 76 avg 6.9. His first 2 years avg 8.4 a catch. He will probably end up in Tampa Bay. We shall see if he is a bust or pans out.

[polamalubeast]

I love the line Fournette doesn't fit what anybody does. 1700 yards from scrimmage with no other weapons and a 2nd string QB. Whether you want to take a gamble on the guy or not I get it. But saying he isn't productive in passing game is a reach. Samuels is supposed to excel in passing game, in his 2 abbreviated seasons he had 73 rec, avg 6.9 yards. Last year Fournette had 76 avg 6.9. His first 2 years avg 8.4 a catch. He will probably end up in Tampa Bay. We shall see if he is a bust or pans out.

In 2019 it was 6.9 per catch and 5.2 per target ... it's not very effective ... in fact it's the worst in the league for a player with at least 75 catch in the last few years according to this tweet ... For his 1700 yards, when you have a lot of touch (341 to be exact) of course you will have a lot of yards but that does not mean that it is effective….2019 was also a awful year for Samuel,2018 Conner and Samuel were fine as receiver(6.9 and 7.0 yards per target for both)...If Samuel is not better that he was in 2019,he will not make the team.

[cubanstogie]

It’s a matter of what you want to gamble on. I like the Ebron gamble, and wouldn’t mind seeing a RB pick up. Breida, Fournette, even saw rumors of Lindsay. It would be a moot point if Conner stays healthy and Samuels does do better than 2019, but that’s a roll of the dice as well.

[st33lersguy]

Leonard Fournette to the Steelers is not happening. You can file that with the multiple other speculation stories of big name vet to the Steelers speculation/connection that never happened and probably was never given any semi-serious thought by the actual team

[polamalubeast]

BRADLEY DYLL FROM HERMITAGE, PA: Leonard Fournette. How is he not a member of the Steelers? Late-round draft pick as compensation in a trade? Low cap hit. I know the Steelers can get a running back in the draft, but they need to fill holes for backups everywhere. Getting a stud running back before the draft is a no brainer.

ANSWER: Or maybe making a trade for a one-dimensional, malcontent running back would indicate somebody lost his mind. Here's a different scenario, and I'm just spit-balling here: Instead of giving up one of their six draft picks and allocating $4.1 million of cap space on a running back who can become an unrestricted free agent in March 2021, why not draft your own back, who would come cheaper and would have fewer than 1,282 carries on his body than Fournette (college plus three NFL seasons), and then use the cap space on a veteran outside linebacker who could provide depth behind T.J. Watt and Bud Dupree … say a guy like Clay Matthews. Not saying it's going to happen, but in the area of what's worth pursuing, I see one path being clearly better than the other. You think the Steelers would be better with Fournette or with Matthews? To me, that's a true no-brainer.

https://www.steelers.com/news/asked-and-answered-april-23-x3400

[86WARD]

It’s a matter of what you want to gamble on. I like the Ebron gamble, and wouldn’t mind seeing a RB pick up. Breida, Fournette, even saw rumors of Lindsay. It would be a moot point if Conner stays healthy and Samuels does do better than 2019, but that’s a roll of the dice as well.

You already have that “gamble” on the roster in Conner. Why double down on it (plus a bad attitude) for $4M more? Makes zero sense. Fournette isn’t good. He’s still living off his rookie season...


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[86WARD]

Jacksonville hasn't drafted a RB yet...is Fournette really on the "trading block"?

[polamalubeast]

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[st33lersguy]

Welp, this is awkward. Didn't move Ngokue either.

[polamalubeast]

Welp, this is awkward. Didn't move Ngokue either.

I would not be surprised that Ngokue don't play this year if he stay with the Jags and the Jaguars put the franchise TAG on him once again in 2021!

It would be a huge cheap shot by the Jaguars to him!

[86WARD]

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So why wouldn’t they try to draft a replacement of some sort through this whole process?

[polamalubeast]

So why wouldn’t they try to draft a replacement of some sort through this whole process?

Good question

[polamalubeast]

NFL Insider John Clayton Tells Us Why Nobody Traded For Leonard Fournette

"Nobody Wanted Him"

PITTSBURGH (93.7 The FAN) - The NFL Draft has come and gone and all our pipe dreams for the Steelers are gone now as well. Jameis Winston has found his new team and the Jaguars have yet to trade Leonard Fournette.

One the Fournette front, we turned to our NFL Insider John Clayton to find out why the Jaguars were unable to move him.

"Nobody wanted him," Clayton said. "Nobody wanted to pick up the $4.1 million one-year deal knowing that he has had some problems in the locker room on and off the last couple of years."

read more

https://937thefan.radio.com/articles/news/john-clayton-says-nobody-wanted-leonard-fournette

[86WARD]

Lol. But he is the perfect fit for Pittsburgh!

[Method28]

I would STILL bring him in and trade/ cut Samuels

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[cubanstogie]

I would STILL bring him in and trade/ cut Samuels

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I would have before they drafted RB, not now. Although he’s much better than Samuels or Snail 4 million is too much unless Conner goes down in game 1 or 2. Maybe I didn’t assess Samuels or Snell accurately but I felt the backup RB play was about as good as backup QB play. Both need an upgrade. I’d like to see what Lynch does in preseason if we ever have one.

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[pczach]

I would STILL bring him in and trade/ cut Samuels

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I'd rather sign a guy like Carlos Hyde or another FA before I touch Fournette. I don't want him here. He has been one of the most overhyped running backs of all-time, plus all the locker room and off the field concerns. No thanks.

[polamalubeast]

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[polamalubeast]

One of the worst starting RB in the NFL.


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