Eric Ebron at TE

[Steelerchad]

Decent signing. Upside for the passing game. McDonald was not reliable. 2 years, $12M.

[86WARD]

Not a bad signing at all as long as his hands that he had with the Colts come with him. If he tries his hands that he had with the Lions, not good...lol.

[EzraTank]

What 86 said. When he's on, he's a legit #1 TE. When he's not he's McDonald.

[86WARD]

Was 86 said. When he's on, he's a legit #1 TE. When he's not he's McDonald.

Which isn’t a terrible thing...lol

[tube517]

How is his blocking?

[steel striker]

I like to signing but, like mentioned above which version are we getting?

[86WARD]

How is his blocking?

I don’t think it’s very good if I remember correctly. He’s a receiving guy.

[Bluecoat96]

I like to signing but, like mentioned above which version are we getting?Keep in mind that 2 years ago, he had Andrew Luck throwing to him. Last year? Jacoby Brissett. Big difference. He's still just 26. With a hopefully rejuvenated Ben, Ebron "should" fare quite well.

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[Dwinsgames]

I don’t think it’s very good if I remember correctly. He’s a receiving guy.


BINGO he is not an inline TE he is a move TE his blocking consists of ohh excuse me didn't realize you needed through

[tube517]

I don’t think it’s very good if I remember correctly. He’s a receiving guy.

Thanks.

[BlackAndGold]

Hopefully he has a similar season like he did two years ago with Luck as QB. Recorded 13 TD's and 750 yards receiving on 13 TD's.

He will have drops though.


I think this rules out TE in the draft, though they may still like someone like Kmet since he fits the mold of a Steelers TE.

[Mojouw]

This guy is simply awful at being a TE. If they wanted to sign a former Lion, either of the DTs would've been much preferred.

This dude drops passes on a Moncrief level and is an atrocious blocker

[BlackAndGold]

This guy is simply awful at being a TE. If they wanted to sign a former Lion, either of the DTs would've been much preferred.

This dude drops passes on a Moncrief level and is an atrocious blocker

He's a Madden superstar though.

[DesertSteel]

In b4 shoes

[Mojouw]

Ok. So after my initial vomit burp got choked back...I can see why you do this. He's big, he's fast, and he's young. With all his flaws, Ebron will be better in 2020 than any rookie TE you are going to land.

So now, you enter draft day without absolutely having to grab a TE.

Hopefully, Ebron will be a bridge to a longer term solution at the position.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Its an upgrade, so I'll take it. Also, I think he has a chance to have a good season if Ben is throwing him the football, but still recall that Ebron had a drop rate that wasnt impressive.

[86WARD]

This guy is simply awful at being a TE. If they wanted to sign a former Lion, either of the DTs would've been much preferred.

This dude drops passes on a Moncrief level and is an atrocious blocker

Without looking, I think his drops were much, much less with the Colts than with the Lions. I think they were still on the higher side though. But this certainly does feel like a “Moncrief-type conversation”.

One of Switzers college teammates...does that help?!?

[Born2Steel]

Some Eric Ebron stats and info:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EbroEr00.htm

Injury history and predictions site:
https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/eric-ebron/6941

Compare with Vance McDonald stats:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McDoVa00.htm

Injury history and predictions site:
https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/vance-mcdonald/6717

[dislocatedday]

The signing fits what Colbert has done in recent years, which is to plugin gaping holes prior to the draft so that they are not forced to draft a certain position. They then have options to take the best player available across several positions.

A 5 receiver/TE set with JuJu, Diontae, James Washington, Ebron, and Vance McDonald sounds pretty good on paper.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Some Eric Ebron stats and info:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EbroEr00.htm

Injury history and predictions site:
https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/eric-ebron/6941

Compare with Vance McDonald stats:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McDoVa00.htm

Injury history and predictions site:
https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/vance-mcdonald/6717

Thanks for the comparisons. So Ebron has more yards per game, 12 more TD catches than McDonald in 1 fewer season and Ebron has 173 catches for first down, while McDonald has 88. Looks like Ebron is a better option on 3rd down and the red zone, as well as a better receiving TE. Good pickup.

[Mojouw]

Without looking, I think his drops were much, much less with the Colts than with the Lions. I think they were still on the higher side though. But this certainly does feel like a “Moncrief-type conversation”.

One of Switzers college teammates...does that help?!?

Yeah. Like I said, initial reaction was likely overly negative. Ebron is fine. And fine is okay. As long as his deal is similar to Chickillo, Burnett, Barron, Moncrief, etc. where the team can easily cut him if this one year trial doesn't work out - then I really have no reason to complain.

Dude is only 27 years old. Is more explosive than many in the 2020 draft class (https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/eric-ebron). So I can totally see the logic and reason here. Plus looking at this list (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/tight-end/) based on the TEs that have signed, the got him for the lower end of the going rates.

And don't get me all wound up on Ryan "Completely Useless at the NFL Level and Waste of a Roster Spot" Switzer.

[tube517]

Without looking, I think his drops were much, much less with the Colts than with the Lions. I think they were still on the higher side though. But this certainly does feel like a “Moncrief-type conversation”.

One of Switzers college teammates...does that help?!?

No. :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

Without looking, I think his drops were much, much less with the Colts than with the Lions. I think they were still on the higher side though. But this certainly does feel like a “Moncrief-type conversation”.

One of Switzers college teammates...does that help?!?


Yeah. Like I said, initial reaction was likely overly negative. Ebron is fine. And fine is okay. As long as his deal is similar to Chickillo, Burnett, Barron, Moncrief, etc. where the team can easily cut him if this one year trial doesn't work out - then I really have no reason to complain.

Dude is only 27 years old. Is more explosive than many in the 2020 draft class (https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/eric-ebron). So I can totally see the logic and reason here. Plus looking at this list (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/tight-end/) based on the TEs that have signed, the got him for the lower end of the going rates.

And don't get me all wound up on Ryan "Completely Useless at the NFL Level and Waste of a Roster Spot" Switzer.


No. :chuckle:

On second thought, it does help. But there needs to be a few rule changes first. Since everything is on hold, they can get this done.

1. Switzer and Ebron only count as one roster spot.
2. Ebron is allowed to have Switzer ride on his back and he can throw Switzer at defensive players.

This should improve Ebron's blocking capabilities and allow Switzer to contribute something to the team. It is either that or transplant Switzer's hands onto Ebron's arms.

[BlackAndGold]

Must note that Moncrief didn't have the best hands but most of the drops were due to his finger being broken which happened during camp.

[teegre]

2 years $12 million

He better have the hands that he had in Indy; otherwise, for that much money... :scared:

[Fire Goodell]

Ben likes running the 4-5 wide, so having a receiving TE is better for this offense IMO.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

2 years $12 million

He better have the hands that he had in Indy; otherwise, for that much money... :scared:

With the $5.5 Million that McDonald will be averaging in 2019 and 2020, I would say its likely a bargain in comparison. The 16 TD receptions that Ebron has the last 2 seasons are more than McDonald has had in his career.

[teegre]

With the $5.5 Million that McDonald will be averaging in 2019 and 2020, I would say its likely a bargain in comparison. The 16 TD receptions that Ebron has the last 2 seasons are more than McDonald has had in his career.

I guess my question is: why both???

[pczach]

I think Ebron will be much more productive in the passing game than McDonald has been by a considerable margin. He is a guy that can get open. I think he will be a very good target for Ben.

I still long for having a complete tight end that is a good receiver, but can also hold up with some inline blocking, and throwing around smaller guys outside the tackles and downfield. I guess we'll still have to wait to get one of those guys.

Overall, I really like what Colbert has done to fill holes in the roster. As someone else mentioned, filling these spots with quality players before the draft really allows them to draft the best available player, or target a few players that they really have high at positions of need.

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I guess my question is: why both???


This team has always done well when they had more than one good TE. The ability to play more 2-TE sets also helps the running game, and both players are a threat in the passing game. Sprinkle in a little more play action passing, and defenses will be on their heels a little more and the running game and passing game will be more effective IMO.

[Born2Steel]

Filling the roster holes with cheaper FAs makes Colbert a genius on those that work out and keeps other teams from easily guessing which prospects are being targeted in the draft. The ones that don't work out are a small cost over the long term.

[BlackAndGold]

FWIW
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[Dwinsgames]

I give that no stock at this juncture because we have no idea how davis plays in 2020 ... he could become a 3rd round comp , 4th ,5th ,6th or no comp at all . his salary is only part of the equation

[Shoes]

Did they cut McDonald? Well buys the Steelers more time until Heath Miller's son hits the draft. :chuckle:

[HollywoodSteel]

FWIW
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What about Hargrave leaving? That should still give us a high compensatory pick, right?

[st33lersguy]

Eric Ebron has had issues with reliability in his career, and he seems to only do good with an elite QB. However, he is an upgrade over Vannett and it is $6 mil which sweetens the signing. However, Ben will really need to turn in to form though

[AtlantaDan]

Bill Barnwell at ESPN likes the signing

Grade: B+

Drops have been a problem for Ebron in the past, which might bring back ugly memories of Donte Moncrief (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16791/donte-moncrief)'s disastrous September with the Steelers, but if Ebron was consistently healthy and didn't have the occasional drop, he would be looking at Austin Hooper (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3043275/austin-hooper) money.

This is a good risk/reward opportunity for the Steelers, and it's shocking that tight end-needy teams like the Patriots didn't compete here.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28871296/2020-nfl-free-agency-trade-grades-bill-barnwell-tracks-every-big-signing-move

[tube517]

Did they cut McDonald? Well buys the Steelers more time until Heath Miller's son hits the draft. :chuckle:

:chuckle:

Vance's contract was restructured

[Shoes]

:chuckle:

Vance's contract was restructured

Yes, I do remember that now. Now we will have two injured TE's on the bench. :chuckle:

[BlackAndGold]

What about Hargrave leaving? That should still give us a high compensatory pick, right?

Projected to be a 4th round pick.

[teegre]

Yes, I do remember that now. Now we will have two injured TE's on the bench. :chuckle:

1. I don’t think Ebron is injury-prone. He’s just had intermittent hands.

2. Interestingly, outside of the O-line, Vance had the most snaps of any player on offense. In fact, the only snaps he missed were when his number wasn’t called (not in the alignment).

[Six Rings]

I dunno about this one. Ebron has a difficult personality to deal with, iffy hands and is somewhat injury prone. Last year he very average. He had one really good season, that's it. Not a blocker. We'll see.

Two years, 12 million.

[Edman]

I personally see this guy as Ladarius Green 2.0.

Steelers and Free Agent TE's haven't been the best thing as of late.

[teegre]

I personally see this guy as Ladarius Green 2.0.

:huh: Again, I don’t see Ebron as being injury-prone. Am I missing something???

[Born2Steel]

Eric Ebron = NFL caliber TE with a high floor and a high ceiling if he can stay healthy. His injuries have been ankles, knees, hamstrings all pulls and sprains/strains. Not an in-line player but he's a huge weapon for Ben. This is not a bad signing if he can pass his physical and better than what was on the roster. I like it, don't love it yet, but I do like it.

[Bluecoat96]

I personally see this guy as Ladarius Green 2.0.

Steelers and Free Agent TE's haven't been the best thing as of late.The very brief time that Green was able to play with Ben without having his brains totally scrambled was pretty good. If Ebron's aren't scrambled eggs, he and Ben should develop a pretty good rapport. Stafford and the scheme in Detroit didn't do Ebron any favors. Once he had a competent QB in Luck, he had a career year. Jacoby brissett and Brian Hoyer didn't do him any favors last year either.

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[El-Gonzo Jackson]

:huh: Again, I don’t see Ebron as being injury-prone. Am I missing something???

He is a bit it looks like. Missed 8 games in his first 3 seasons to mostly hamstring and ankle issues. Was put on the injury list last season in week 9 due to ankle issues and eventually placed on season ending IR and had ankle surgery.

Ladarius Green had 1300 yards receiving and 8 TD in 5 seasons. Ebron has over 3100 yards, 27 TD in 6 seasons. IMO, there is no reason to compare the 2 other than pessimism.

[86WARD]

One thing you also need to take into consideration when talking about Enron’s Numbers last season was the emergence of Jack Doyle from the 2018 season to 2019 season. Doyle went from 6 games to 16 games and 30-something targets to 70-something targets. They both also went from Andrew Luck to Jacoby Brissett.

[BlackAndGold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7kWHUrzbc

[tube517]

Tyler Eifert signing for 2 years 15 million w/Jacksonville. Talk about injury prone.

[AtlantaDan]

Who knows if this is sour grapes from the Colts or not :noidea:

Colts let Eric Ebron go because they felt like he 'quit on them' in 2019, per report

"I'm sure the Steelers did their due diligence, but the reason the Colts let him go is because they felt he quit on them this season," [The Athletic's Bob] Kravitz said. "He had, I think it was an ankle, that the team wasn't even aware was an issue and then all of the sudden he said, 'That's it, I'm shutting it down.' I remember asking Chris Ballard the GM, 'What are you going to do with Eric Ebron?' and he looked me straight in the eye and said, 'Yeah, we're done with him. We're moving on.'

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-let-eric-ebron-go-because-they-felt-like-he-quit-on-them-in-2019-per-report/

[Mojouw]

Who knows if this is sour grapes from the Colts or not :noidea:

Colts let Eric Ebron go because they felt like he 'quit on them' in 2019, per report

"I'm sure the Steelers did their due diligence, but the reason the Colts let him go is because they felt he quit on them this season," [The Athletic's Bob] Kravitz said. "He had, I think it was an ankle, that the team wasn't even aware was an issue and then all of the sudden he said, 'That's it, I'm shutting it down.' I remember asking Chris Ballard the GM, 'What are you going to do with Eric Ebron?' and he looked me straight in the eye and said, 'Yeah, we're done with him. We're moving on.'

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-let-eric-ebron-go-because-they-felt-like-he-quit-on-them-in-2019-per-report/


Isn't this the same franchise that helped assist Andrew Luck into quitting football? I believe there has been some turnover in the upper levels of the franchise since then...but still....

I have a good buddy who is a massive Lions fan. Says Ebron will drive you nuts. Capable of making game altering catches and game altering drops as well. Says don't ask him to run block in-line. Also says Ebron running free up the middle of the field can be a thing of beauty. Also was of the opinion that Ebron hadn't been drafted as high as he was, he wouldn't be viewed as negatively by Lions fans. So he said for a cheap(ish) FA signing you could do far far worse.

[Shoes]

Who knows if this is sour grapes from the Colts or not :noidea:
Colts let Eric Ebron go because they felt like he 'quit on them' in 2019, per report
"I'm sure the Steelers did their due diligence, but the reason the Colts let him go is because they felt he quit on them this season," [The Athletic's Bob] Kravitz said. "He had, I think it was an ankle, that the team wasn't even aware was an issue and then all of the sudden he said, 'That's it, I'm shutting it down.' I remember asking Chris Ballard the GM, 'What are you going to do with Eric Ebron?' and he looked me straight in the eye and said, 'Yeah, we're done with him. We're moving on.'

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-let-eric-ebron-go-because-they-felt-like-he-quit-on-them-in-2019-per-report/


That's what they said when picking up the 20 million dollar man Ladarius Green. :chuckle:

[SteelMember]

By Jacob Klinger | jklinger@pennlive.com

PITTSBURGH — The Steelers effectively signed Eric Ebron to a 1+1 contract, reported details of the deal confirmed Friday reveal.

Ebron’s contract pays him $1 million in base salary this year with a $5 million signings bonus. In 2021 he would earn a $5.5 million salary and get paid a $500,000 if he’s on the roster on the fifth day of the league year. His $5 million signing bonus is prorated out over the two years of the contract, meaning his 2020 cap cost is $3.5 million.

The cap cost of keeping him on the team in 2021 rises to $8.5 million against the cap. Cutting him before his roster bonus is paid would save the team $6 million. If he establishes himself as a genuine threat in Pittsburgh, however, he’s more likely to get an extension than be released.

https://www.pennlive.com/steelers/2020/03/details-confirm-backloaded-steelers-contract-for-eric-ebron-report.html

[teegre]

Also was of the opinion that Ebron hadn't been drafted as high as he was, he wouldn't be viewed as negatively by Lions fans.

Bingo!!!

So many players have been labeled as “busts” because the team that drafted them took them higher than “expected”. If Ebron had been the ninth pick in R2 (as opppsed to R1), Lions fans would have been like: “He’s good; he’s got flaws, but every player in R2 is gonna have some flaws.”

It reminds me of Chad Scott. He was great, got injured, and then, was merely “good”. Steelers fans ignored the injury and instead focused on the fact that he was a “R1 pick!!!”

[DesertSteel]

By Jacob Klinger | jklinger@pennlive.com

PITTSBURGH — The Steelers effectively signed Eric Ebron to a 1+1 contract, reported details of the deal confirmed Friday reveal.

Ebron’s contract pays him $1 million in base salary this year with a $5 million signings bonus. In 2021 he would earn a $5.5 million salary and get paid a $500,000 if he’s on the roster on the fifth day of the league year. His $5 million signing bonus is prorated out over the two years of the contract, meaning his 2020 cap cost is $3.5 million.

The cap cost of keeping him on the team in 2021 rises to $8.5 million against the cap. Cutting him before his roster bonus is paid would save the team $6 million. If he establishes himself as a genuine threat in Pittsburgh, however, he’s more likely to get an extension than be released.

https://www.pennlive.com/steelers/2020/03/details-confirm-backloaded-steelers-contract-for-eric-ebron-report.html
Now that... is a sweet deal for the Steelers.

[pczach]

By Jacob Klinger | jklinger@pennlive.com

PITTSBURGH — The Steelers effectively signed Eric Ebron to a 1+1 contract, reported details of the deal confirmed Friday reveal.

Ebron’s contract pays him $1 million in base salary this year with a $5 million signings bonus. In 2021 he would earn a $5.5 million salary and get paid a $500,000 if he’s on the roster on the fifth day of the league year. His $5 million signing bonus is prorated out over the two years of the contract, meaning his 2020 cap cost is $3.5 million.

The cap cost of keeping him on the team in 2021 rises to $8.5 million against the cap. Cutting him before his roster bonus is paid would save the team $6 million. If he establishes himself as a genuine threat in Pittsburgh, however, he’s more likely to get an extension than be released.

https://www.pennlive.com/steelers/2020/03/details-confirm-backloaded-steelers-contract-for-eric-ebron-report.html



Thanks for the info!

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Now that... is a sweet deal for the Steelers.



It's hard to argue with those numbers!

[Mojouw]

Now that... is a sweet deal for the Steelers.


Thanks for the info!

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It's hard to argue with those numbers!

Eventually one of these style deals (Barron, Burnett, Chickillo, Moncrief) has to work out - right? Right? I mean this time it'll be great. Has to be. Law of averages and what-not...sure. Sure. Yeah.

In all seriousness, this is savvy deal by the team and I am surprised that Ebron was not able to get a better one on the FA market.

[lipps83]

It reminds me of Chad Scott. He was great, got injured, and then, was merely “good”. Steelers fans ignored the injury and instead focused on the fact that he was a “R1 pick!!!”

That kind of stuff drives me nuts. Same thing happened with Figures, except I think he was shot in the knee? Both serviceable despite both suffering injury setbacks at a very important part of the body. They were not super stars, but they were both grossly under appreciated merely because of fan expectations.

[pczach]

That kind of stuff drives me nuts. Same thing happened with Figures, except I think he was shot in the knee? Both serviceable despite both suffering injury setbacks at a very important part of the body. They were not super stars, but they were both grossly under appreciated merely because of fan expectations.



....and due to circumstances that were completely out of their control. Being a diminished player because of an injury is so unfortunate. We all want to win and for everyone to play well, but these fans that flip out on a player that simply got severely injured and was never the same is ridiculous.

I'm with you. Fans drive me nuts!

[Edman]

I have a good buddy who is a massive Lions fan. Says Ebron will drive you nuts. Capable of making game altering catches and game altering drops as well.

Spotty personality, Inconsistent health, Not a reliable catcher, could be great but not consistent. As if we didn't have that already with McDonald (minus the personality part). I give him two games before this board turns on him.

Letting Jesse James go in hindsight was a horrible mistake.

[Shoes]

Spotty personality, Inconsistent health, Not a reliable catcher, could be great but not consistent. As if we didn't have that already with McDonald (minus the personality part). I give him two games before this board turns on him.

Letting Jesse James go in hindsight was a horrible mistake.
No, drafting Josh Dobbs over George Kittle was a horrible mistake.

[Mojouw]

No, drafting Josh Dobbs over George Kittle was a horrible mistake.

Yup. But letting Jesse James go is never a mistake. Got benched in Detroit.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/detroitjockcity.com/2019/11/23/bust-offseason-jesse-james-bust/amp/

[Shoes]

Yup. But letting Jesse James go is never a mistake. Got benched in Detroit.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/detroitjockcity.com/2019/11/23/bust-offseason-jesse-james-bust/amp/

I never was a JJ fan. :chuckle:

[DesertSteel]

I never was a JJ fan. :chuckle:
At least he wasn't always injured. And that was still a touchdown.

[Born2Steel]

At least he wasn't always injured. And that was still a touchdown.

Definitely a TD!

[HollywoodSteel]

At least he wasn't always injured. And that was still a touchdown.

Or he could have just secured the ball so the refs wouldn’t be involved. Don’t extend it if you don’t have the hands to hold it. Jesse was absolutely NOT worth what Detroit paid for him.

[Mojouw]

So. Would anyone have traded James for Ebron two off-seasons ago? It’s basically what happened.

A case can be made for either side.

[cubanstogie]

So. Would anyone have traded James for Ebron two off-seasons ago? It’s basically what happened.

A case can be made for either side.
I would take Ebron. On the surface I would say he has more big play potential but JJ averaged quite a bit more per catch than he did comparing 2018 seasons. Ebron drops a couple more as well. But we haven't seen 13 TD's from a TE in forever. I think he gets more separation and if Ben can still extend plays at his age then Ebron should benefit. I like the pick up. Vance has flashes of being great but not enough, probably not drafting a stud TE to come in and start so its a great gamble IMO. Had Luck stuck around I don't think Ebron comes this cheap, or even comes around at all. JJ is a great back up TE, Ebron should be a solid starter.

[Born2Steel]

Ebron could be for Ben what Graham was for Brees. A short term red zone mismatch weapon. Let's Go!

[teegre]

Ebron is a funny follow on Twitter. Not many players have a sense of humor; it’s why I only follow Ramon Foster and Bince. :lol:

Here’s the difference between The Outlaw and Ebron. The Outlaw’s ceiling and his floor are almost identical: he is what he is. Ebron has a ceiling that is very high... which he may never reach. But, at worst, defenses have to respect Ebron’s speed & athleticism. Yea, yea, yea... we need more than a decoy. Yet, if Ebron can move the MLB down the field, it gives JuJu plenty of room across the middle.

[Shoes]

"Ebron had a doctor in Texas perform his physical due to current coronavirus pandemic issues that prevented him from traveling to Pittsburgh to have it done by the team’s physicians."

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/04/new-steelers-te-eric-ebron-says-surgically-repaired-ankle-still-not-100-percent/



Boy howdy! It sounds like one right out of Ladarius Green's playbook. :chuckle:

[cold-hard-steel]

Ebron is a funny follow on Twitter. Not many players have a sense of humor; it’s why I only follow Ramon Foster and Bince. :lol:

Here’s the difference between The Outlaw and Ebron. The Outlaw’s ceiling and his floor are almost identical: he is what he is. Ebron has a ceiling that is very high... which he may never reach. But, at worst, defenses have to respect Ebron’s speed & athleticism. Yea, yea, yea... we need more than a decoy. Yet, if Ebron can move the MLB down the field, it gives JuJu plenty of room across the middle.::pointlaugh: Bince !!!!!

[polamalubeast]

Letting Jesse James go was not a mistake.Of course I would love to have Kittle in a steelers uniform but 32 teams did not pick Kittle in the first 4 rounds,so….

[86WARD]

Ebron is a funny follow on Twitter. Not many players have a sense of humor; it’s why I only follow Ramon Foster and Bince. :lol:

Here’s the difference between The Outlaw and Ebron. The Outlaw’s ceiling and his floor are almost identical: he is what he is. Ebron has a ceiling that is very high... which he may never reach. But, at worst, defenses have to respect Ebron’s speed & athleticism. Yea, yea, yea... we need more than a decoy. Yet, if Ebron can move the MLB down the field, it gives JuJu plenty of room across the middle.

QFT

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200404/523befa2d07ce2f09da48b8a7bcaa4bd.jpg

[polamalubeast]

Jesse James is not even close to be good as Ebron...I just see the stats,James had 142 yards on 16 catch in only 27 targets in 2019..Outside of the 2018 season,James had never 10 yards per catch.Ebron has 4 seasons with at least 11 yards per catch in 6 seasons,so this is not even close.

[polamalubeast]

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And for his contract,if we look at the average per year,this is fair I think

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/tight-end/

[polamalubeast]

This is a good video

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[Dwinsgames]

Jesse James is not even close to be good as Ebron...I just see the stats,James had 142 yards on 16 catch in only 27 targets in 2019..Outside of the 2018 season,James had never 10 yards per catch.Ebron has 4 seasons with at least 11 yards per catch in 6 seasons,so this is not even close.

as a weapon , no James doesn't come close that said ... but in terms of reliability James marks are higher , as for availability James marks are higher and as a blocker James again is superior

so as I see it ... James is a more complete player , he can do more for you and him being on the field isnt a give away to your intent on offense and while James isnt the best blocker in the world he isnt a complete liability either ...

but it isnt that simple on " who would I rather have" because both can help your football team ....

I wont give much credence to James stats in Detroit because I know what he can do with Ben and he performed as well as Vance did here ..

as For Ebron we just do not know yet ....

what I do know is we had a generic version of Ebron ( cheaper ) a guy not known for blocking and a mismatch vs LB'ers and Safeties and he looked really good in camp in 2018 and I thought he was going to make the leap , but he screwed up and was released and as far as I know hasnt caught on anyplace else (Bucky Hodges)


we shall see how Ebron works out he has a skill set that is interesting ( if he can limit the drops )

[Mojouw]

I am not sure how Ebron will work out. But I just don't understand how anyone can defend Jesse James as a viable NFL player. He isn't. Like he shouldn't be on a roster.

Last season, Detroit paid him over $6 million dollars and he was quickly and easily passed on the depth chart by a rookie (albeit a prized one) and a converted Qb who bounces around the league. For whatever it may be worth, PFF ranked his run blocking LOWER than what the score would be for a guy simply standing still.

Swapping out Ebron for James at essentially roughly the same cost -- is just a straight up coup. Sure, Ebron doesn't and can't really block. But neither can Jesse James. So a "push" there. And Ebron is such a superior route runner and open field athlete, that it isn't even close.

The biggest concern is injuries and drops. That's a roll of the dice with almost any FA. These guys weren't resigned by their current teams for a reason. But with Jesse James, there is no room for improvement. With Ebron, you could get double digit touchdowns and a guy that pulls defenders to the middle of the field making it easier for Washington/JUJU/DJ to make plays outside.

[polamalubeast]

I am not sure how Ebron will work out. But I just don't understand how anyone can defend Jesse James as a viable NFL player. He isn't. Like he shouldn't be on a roster.

Last season, Detroit paid him over $6 million dollars and he was quickly and easily passed on the depth chart by a rookie (albeit a prized one) and a converted Qb who bounces around the league. For whatever it may be worth, PFF ranked his run blocking LOWER than what the score would be for a guy simply standing still.

Swapping out Ebron for James at essentially roughly the same cost -- is just a straight up coup. Sure, Ebron doesn't and can't really block. But neither can Jesse James. So a "push" there. And Ebron is such a superior route runner and open field athlete, that it isn't even close.

The biggest concern is injuries and drops. That's a roll of the dice with almost any FA. These guys weren't resigned by their current teams for a reason. But with Jesse James, there is no room for improvement. With Ebron, you could get double digit touchdowns and a guy that pulls defenders to the middle of the field making it easier for Washington/JUJU/DJ to make plays outside.

The other thing is that as we can see in the yards per catch,James was way too slow and not a playmaker.Ebron could be a playmaker for the steelers.Of course Ebron must be used very well.

Bad team like the Lions paid Jesse James only because of his stats and his 2018 season but they probably never watched the tape of this player!

[teegre]

Interesting that The Outlaw’s “off” season was due to the QB in Detroit... because, that is exactly where Ebron played for four seasons. Going by stats...

DETROIT
The Outlaw: 16 for 142, 0 TD
Ebron’s worst season (rookie): 25 for 249, 1 TD

The following years, Ebron never fell below 525 receiving yards. Whereas, The Outlaw’s best season ever (even with Ben as his QB) was not quite 425 receiving yards.

WITH LUCK
Ebron: 66 for 750, 13 TDs :willy:

[polamalubeast]

Interesting that The Outlaw’s “off” season was due to the QB in Detroit... because, that is exactly where Ebron played for four seasons. Going by stats...

DETROIT
The Outlaw: 16 for 142, 0 TD
Ebron’s worst season (rookie): 25 for 249, 1 TD

The following years, Ebron never fell below 525 receiving yards. Whereas, The Outlaw’s best season ever (even with Ben as his QB) was not quite 425 receiving yards.

WITH LUCK
Ebron: 66 for 750, 13 TDs :willy:

James had only played 9 games with Stafford but he had only 9 catchs in his 9 games and his best game with Stafford was 18 yards!

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JameJe00/gamelog/2019/

We need a TE which is not just a product of the talented players around them and I have hope Ebron will be good no matter what ... I don't expect 13 TD like in 2018, since I think it's his year career but over 600-700 yards and 7-8 TD I'll be happy especially if he is consistant

[Born2Steel]

Is Ebron an upgrade from Jesse James? Is Ebron an upgrade from Vannett? Look at that, the Steelers did something positive with the TE position. Are they done improving the TE position? Time will tell but I really don't think so.

[teegre]

We need a TE which is not just a product of the talented players around them and I have hope Ebron will be good no matter what ... I don't expect 13 TD like in 2018, since I think it's his year career but over 600-700 yards and 7-8 TD I'll be happy especially if he is consistant

Ebron consistently gets 45-65 for 500-700 yards.
His TDs fluctuate between 1-5... to 13.

I could see 55 for 750, 8 TDs.

[polamalubeast]

And to continue with James...He had 198 yards in the first 2 games in 2018 after 2 of his 3 best games of his career(138 yards and 60 yards) but after his production had been the same that 2016 and 2017.So no way that to not sign Jesse James for 6-7 millions per year was a horrible mistake by the steelers...Nothing against him but this is more a horrible mistake by the Lions.

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Ebron consistently gets 45-65 for 500-700 yards.
His TDs fluctuate between 1-5... to 13.

I could see 55 for 750, 8 TDs.

I will take that!

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Is Ebron an upgrade from Jesse James? Is Ebron an upgrade from Vannett? Look at that, the Steelers did something positive with the TE position. Are they done improving the TE position? Time will tell but I really don't think so.

And if we look at the market,the price was not very high!

34 years old Jimmy Graham had 8 millions per year in Chicago for 2 years and 4 millions for one year for 38 years old Jason Witten

If we look at the market for the TE look at that and I expect that it will be higher soon with Kittle and others

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/tight-end/

[polamalubeast]

Roethlisberger On Addition Of Ebron: ‘I’d Like To Do Some Stuff With Him On The Outside’

On Wednesday, Roethlisberger was a guest on DVE Radio and during the interview he was asked if he’s excited about now having Ebron in the fold.
“I am,” Roethlisberger said. “I’m excited for what he could potentially bring to us and opposite Vance [McDonald] and kinda, you know, stretch the middle of the field. “I’d like to do some stuff with him on the outside and maybe get some matchup opportunities that are favorable to us. So, I can’t wait to get to work with him.”

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https://steelersdepot.com/2020/04/roethlisberger-on-addition-of-ebron-id-like-to-do-some-stuff-with-him-on-the-outside/