Report: Eli Manning will announce retirement Friday

[Shoes]

Eli Manning (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1657/eli-manning)‘s NFL career appears to have reached the end. Manning earned more money playing football than anyone else in the history of the league at $252.3 million. :whistle::whistle:


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/22/report-eli-manning-will-announce-retirement-friday/

[AtlantaDan]

Eli Manning (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1657/eli-manning)‘s NFL career appears to have reached the end. Manning earned more money playing football than anyone else in the history of the league at $252.3 million. :whistle::whistle:


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/22/report-eli-manning-will-announce-retirement-friday/

Will always be grateful to Eli for helping to beat the Pats in two Super Bowls.

I know it is tough to leave millions on the table but he should have given it up a few years ago rather than play poorly on a crap team.

Eli’s mediocre past few years makes his HOF candidacy problematic, although I bet he gets in eventually

[tom444]

Eli Manning (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1657/eli-manning)‘s NFL career appears to have reached the end. Manning earned more money playing football than anyone else in the history of the league at $252.3 million. :whistle::whistle:


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/22/report-eli-manning-will-announce-retirement-friday/


Wow, I had no idea.

[Fire Goodell]

Eli owns Tom

[tom444]

Eli owns Tom

And that's certainly one of reasons he made $252.3 million.

[st33lersguy]

Eli's had quite the interesting career. I think this is a good move for him, he had been past his prime for years

[vasteeler]

He beat Tom twice, he's cool with me.

[86WARD]

He’s a Hall of Famer. Enjoy retirement.

[Shoes]

He’s a Hall of Famer. Enjoy retirement.

With $252.3 million I'm sure he will. :lol:

[DesertSteel]

If Ben can't go this summer......... Eli will come out of retirement........

[Born2Steel]

Looking forward to the Arch Manning years. Archie, Peyton, Eli, and the Manning legacy will continue. Think about it, only 32 people in the world can claim to be the starting QB for an NFL team and 3 have been those 3 guys. And with grandson(Cooper's son) Arch on his way (Freshman QB at Newman HS in NOLA) I predict it will be 4.

Congrats to Eli on a rollercoaster HoF career and 2 SB championships. Welcome to your retirement.

[SteelersNorth]

Looking forward to the Arch Manning years. Archie, Peyton, Eli, and the Manning legacy will continue. Think about it, only 32 people in the world can claim to be the starting QB for an NFL team and 3 have been those 3 guys. And with grandson(Cooper's son) Arch on his way (Freshman QB at Newman HS in NOLA) I predict it will be 4.

Congrats to Eli on a rollercoaster HoF career and 2 SB championships. Welcome to your retirement.

the HOF is debatable for Eli if you really break it down. Other than those 2 playoffs runs he was rather pedestrian at best
People say Rivers is 'automatic' and that's just ludicrous. Personally I would never put him in.
The only sure guy from that draft class is Ben after 5 years but I can see the voters waiting to put him in just because of so many 'Steelers' and because he's the Rodney Dangerfield of QBs who gets no respect...

[Born2Steel]

the HOF is debatable for Eli if you really break it down. Other than those 2 playoffs runs he was rather pedestrian at best
People say Rivers is 'automatic' and that's just ludicrous. Personally I would never put him in.
The only sure guy from that draft class is Ben after 5 years but I can see the voters waiting to put him in just because of so many 'Steelers' and because he's the Rodney Dangerfield of QBs who gets no respect...

Debatable credentials or not Eli will be in the Hall. So will Ben and so will Rivers.

[Shoes]

Looking forward to the Arch Manning years. Archie, Peyton, Eli, and the Manning legacy will continue. Think about it, only 32 people in the world can claim to be the starting QB for an NFL team and 3 have been those 3 guys. And with grandson(Cooper's son) Arch on his way (Freshman QB at Newman HS in NOLA) I predict it will be 4.

Congrats to Eli on a rollercoaster HoF career and 2 SB championships. Welcome to your retirement.

is he a good QB?

[Born2Steel]

is he a good QB?

According to reports he's ahead of where Peyton and Eli were as Freshmen at the same HS. Could just be hype I guess. He does already have a highlight video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INw7JHj71lA

[Fire Goodell]

According to reports he's ahead of where Peyton and Eli were as Freshmen at the same HS. Could just be hype I guess. He does already have a highlight video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INw7JHj71lA

Cooper was considered the worthless son because he didn't play in the NFL lol. Maybe the football genes skipped a generation with him

[FrancoLambert]

the HOF is debatable for Eli if you really break it down. Other than those 2 playoffs runs he was rather pedestrian at best
People say Rivers is 'automatic' and that's just ludicrous. Personally I would never put him in.
The only sure guy from that draft class is Ben after 5 years but I can see the voters waiting to put him in just because of so many 'Steelers' and because he's the Rodney Dangerfield of QBs who gets no respect...

Agree that Eli making the HOF should be debatable. Also agree that Rivers shouldn’t get a whiff of the HOF.
Eli’s career record of .500 is weak.
The two SB’s over the Pats will probably do it. Playing in NY and being Peyton’s brother also helps his case.
As for Rivers, if he gets in, than everybody with decent career stats should get in.
Becoming the Hall of Fame of “good” not “great.”

[Fire Goodell]

Rivers should be in the HoF of baby making but not the NFL

[Born2Steel]

Cooper was considered the worthless son because he didn't play in the NFL lol. Maybe the football genes skipped a generation with him

Actually...:nerd:...Cooper was the best 'athlete' of the 3 brothers according to Archie. But the degenerative spinal issue hit him in college and he was forced out of football due to that. Peyton was going to go to Ole Miss to play with his brother until Cooper had to quit and then Peyton went to UT instead. There is a Manning documentary done by ESPN Films I think every football fan should watch at least once.

[st33lersguy]

Eli will probably be in the hall. His 2 Super Bowl wins over the Patriots and 2 Super Bowl MVPs will be the building blocks for his HOF case, retiring top 10 all time in passing yards and TDs will be the deciding factor

[86WARD]

Agree that Eli making the HOF should be debatable. Also agree that Rivers shouldn’t get a whiff of the HOF.
Eli’s career record of .500 is weak.
The two SB’s over the Pats will probably do it. Playing in NY and being Peyton’s brother also helps his case.
As for Rivers, if he gets in, than everybody with decent career stats should get in.
Becoming the Hall of Fame of “good” not “great.”

.500 record doesn’t fall on just Eli. He’s got the Super Bowls, the MVPs, played lights out in NFC Championship games. Was clutch during the season when needed and most of all, he’s got Top-10 numbers at the time of retirement. The story of the NFL cannot be told without Eli Manning. He’s a lock. You can tell the story of the NFL almost without mentioning Rivers...almost.

[AtlantaDan]

The anti-Eli to the HOF argument from (checks notes) ... the New York Times

Since 1970, there have typically been six or seven active Hall of Famers at any given time....

Could Manning live up to a standard of being one of the six to eight best quarterbacks of his era? Not likely.
His career overlapped with two current Hall of Famers (Brett Favre and Kurt Warner) and with a group of five quarterbacks who almost assuredly will be elected once they are eligible (Peyton Manning, Brady, Drew Brees, Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers)....

In the end, Manning appears to fall below what will most likely be the standard for induction once he becomes eligible. He was a good, but not great, player with a .500 record whose case is almost entirely based on a pair of postseason runs powered largely by his team’s defense.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/sports/football/eli-manning-hall-of-fame.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

[Mojouw]

The anti-Eli to the HOF argument from (checks notes) ... the New York Times

Since 1970, there have typically been six or seven active Hall of Famers at any given time....

Could Manning live up to a standard of being one of the six to eight best quarterbacks of his era? Not likely.
His career overlapped with two current Hall of Famers (Brett Favre and Kurt Warner) and with a group of five quarterbacks who almost assuredly will be elected once they are eligible (Peyton Manning, Brady, Drew Brees, Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers)....

In the end, Manning appears to fall below what will most likely be the standard for induction once he becomes eligible. He was a good, but not great, player with a .500 record whose case is almost entirely based on a pair of postseason runs powered largely by his team’s defense.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/sports/football/eli-manning-hall-of-fame.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share







That's a pretty solid summary. I like Eli. But Eli was a mediocre QB with intermittent bouts of greatness.

If his last name wasn't Manning, we wouldn't be having a discussion.

[Shoes]

According to reports he's ahead of where Peyton and Eli were as Freshmen at the same HS. Could just be hype I guess. He does already have a highlight video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INw7JHj71lA

He can sure scramble better than Peyton & Eli. :chuckle:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Eli owns Tom

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/21/217733d4c909da0c8ea4a3fdbdf5835e365da6978897acbd5e 44dd691497c6c6.jpg

[fansince'76]

The only sure guy from that draft class is Ben after 5 years but I can see the voters waiting to put him in just because of so many 'Steelers' and because he's the Rodney Dangerfield of QBs who gets no respect...

:iagree:

Hell, the guy still routinely gets shit on by members of his OWN TEAM'S fanbase.

He's going to be waiting awhile, unless he comes back and wins a 3rd ring.

[86WARD]

That's a pretty solid summary. I like Eli. But Eli was a mediocre QB with intermittent bouts of greatness.

If his last name wasn't Manning, we wouldn't be having a discussion.

Yes we would. Two time Super Bowl MVP. Brady, Bradshaw, Montana and Starr are in that group. He beat the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl. Probably the toughest competition any QB has had to face in the Super Bowl. Brady, Belichick and Cheating...not an easy task and he did it twice. Eli was more than just a cog in a defensive wheel in those games. That argument could be made for Ben in Suoer Bowl XL. But then people will argue that they’d never been there without his performances in the playoffs. True. But same goes for Eli. He’s a Top-10 passer of All-Time at time of retirement. Granted, stats are a bit inflated, but then so is everyone’s stats at this time. So if you’re not going to use stats as a measure for Eli, then what has Ben done to get in? Won two Super Bowls but no MVPs. Threw for 500 yards several times? Stats inflated.

Also, Hall of Fame is there for players that come up big in great moments. Eli has done that. He may not be first ballot, but he’s more worthy than some of the others that are in there. You can’t go about telling the great story of the NFL without Eli Manning and for me, that’s a deciding factor when someone is “borderline”. However, I don’t think he is. Rivers is borderline at best. Eli gets in.

[SteelersNorth]

:iagree:

Hell, the guy still routinely gets shit on by members of his OWN TEAM'S fanbase.

He's going to be waiting awhile, unless he comes back and wins a 3rd ring.

Sure the team went 8-8 this year largely due to that amazing defense
In saying that I see 4/5 extra wins in semi rose colored glasses that Ben wins had he been playing
I still think they win week 2 vs Seattle
Week 3 @ 49ers
Week 5 vs Ravens (i think one of those turnovers by Jackson becomes a TD so OT wasn't needed)
Week 15 vs Bills (this was going to be tough regardless)
Week 17 vs Jets

Ben won't get his just desserts until after he's gone.
As long as he comes back and they're at home week 2 (can't be week 1 Pirates are at home that week haha) when he comes out of the tunnel that stadium should be cheering for a long time. Even if he were to play terrible which is likely cause its week 2 and he'll probably still be getting warmed up but its more for the appreciation of what he's done for the franchise because again once he gone I feel this team fades away for awhile where a 500 record will be stellar.

Here's hoping he's got one last hurrah in that right arm/elbow :tt03:

[Mojouw]

Yes we would. Two time Super Bowl MVP. Brady, Bradshaw, Montana and Starr are in that group. He beat the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl. Probably the toughest competition any QB has had to face in the Super Bowl. Brady, Belichick and Cheating...not an easy task and he did it twice. Eli was more than just a cog in a defensive wheel in those games. That argument could be made for Ben in Suoer Bowl XL. But then people will argue that they’d never been there without his performances in the playoffs. True. But same goes for Eli. He’s a Top-10 passer of All-Time at time of retirement. Granted, stats are a bit inflated, but then so is everyone’s stats at this time. So if you’re not going to use stats as a measure for Eli, then what has Ben done to get in? Won two Super Bowls but no MVPs. Threw for 500 yards several times? Stats inflated.

Also, Hall of Fame is there for players that come up big in great moments. Eli has done that. He may not be first ballot, but he’s more worthy than some of the others that are in there. You can’t go about telling the great story of the NFL without Eli Manning and for me, that’s a deciding factor when someone is “borderline”. However, I don’t think he is. Rivers is borderline at best. Eli gets in.

I don't buy it. Doesn't mean you aren't right -- just I can easily tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning. He has two defense focused SB runs. That's it. The rest of his career is a study in mediocrity.

https://sports.yahoo.com/no-eli-manning-does-not-belong-in-the-hall-of-fame-005406042.html
"Manning will finish his career as a .500 quarterback with a 116-116 record. Aside from the two Super Bowl runs, the Giants never won another playoff game during Manning’s 15-season tenure as starter."

"The junior Manning is a zero-time All-Pro and three-time NFL interception champion with a career quarterback rating (84.2) on par with Joe Flacco (84.1)."

"But his name is Manning. He played a long time for one of the NFL’s glamour franchises in the nation’s biggest market. And his Giants twice defeated the greatest villain in NFL history.
These are all standalone accomplishments that are rightfully celebrated. But just because a story is a good one and an integral part of the NFL fabric, it doesn’t make it Hall worthy."

Eli Manning's career is essentially a version of Joe Flacco or Andy Dalton or Alex Smith. Only he did it in New York for a long time and with a famous last name. If his name was Eli Jones and he played in Tampa we wouldn't be talking about this because he would've been benched 3 seasons ago at least. He struggled with accuracy throughout his career. He, outside of two games, rarely made his team better in the biggest moments.

Put it this way, if you could magically have any QB from the last 2 decades in their prime to start your own NFL franchise -- how many guys would you list before Eli's name came up? I came up with 10 or 12.

[DesertSteel]

Has there been a QB in recent memory that has sparked as much HOF debate as Eli? I can't think of one. I'd say he gets in after 4-5 years based on being a compiler of stats along with two Super Bowl MVPs.

[Mojouw]

Has there been a QB in recent memory that has sparked as much HOF debate as Eli? I can't think of one. I'd say he gets in after 4-5 years based on being a compiler of stats along with two Super Bowl MVPs.

I guess the SB stuff puts him in. But the HOF is going to have to seriously contend with the issue of raw stats. Otherwise, Carson Palmer, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, and Matt Ryan need to be let in as well. Those guys are going to finish in the same realm as Eli just (most likely) without the SB stuff.

[DesertSteel]

I guess the SB stuff puts him in. But the HOF is going to have to seriously contend with the issue of raw stats. Otherwise, Carson Palmer, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, and Matt Ryan need to be let in as well. Those guys are going to finish in the same realm as Eli just (most likely) without the SB stuff.

It's just evolution. This is not our grandfather's NFL. Honestly, some of the QBs from the 70's who are in are questionable as well (e.g., Joe Namath). At least it's not as lame as the NBA HOF.

[Mojouw]

It's just evolution. This is not our grandfather's NFL. Honestly, some of the QBs from the 70's who are in are questionable as well (e.g., Joe Namath). At least it's not as lame as the NBA HOF.

Good points. I really don't care either way about Eli. Personally, I wouldn't vote for him. But I also wouldn't be shocked or surprised if he gets in.

The evolution of the game point is fascinating to me. How should leagues/sports deal with that? 35 thousand passing yards used to be impressive. Now, not really. For awhile, 1000 yard rushing seasons were growing on trees. Now, not so much (again). So what are HOF's to do with all these stats? Especially as players are having longer and healthier careers?

[SteelersNorth]

I don't buy it. Doesn't mean you aren't right -- just I can easily tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning. He has two defense focused SB runs. That's it. The rest of his career is a study in mediocrity.

https://sports.yahoo.com/no-eli-manning-does-not-belong-in-the-hall-of-fame-005406042.html
"Manning will finish his career as a .500 quarterback with a 116-116 record. Aside from the two Super Bowl runs, the Giants never won another playoff game during Manning’s 15-season tenure as starter."

"The junior Manning is a zero-time All-Pro and three-time NFL interception champion with a career quarterback rating (84.2) on par with Joe Flacco (84.1)."

"But his name is Manning. He played a long time for one of the NFL’s glamour franchises in the nation’s biggest market. And his Giants twice defeated the greatest villain in NFL history.
These are all standalone accomplishments that are rightfully celebrated. But just because a story is a good one and an integral part of the NFL fabric, it doesn’t make it Hall worthy."

Eli Manning's career is essentially a version of Joe Flacco or Andy Dalton or Alex Smith. Only he did it in New York for a long time and with a famous last name. If his name was Eli Jones and he played in Tampa we wouldn't be talking about this because he would've been benched 3 seasons ago at least. He struggled with accuracy throughout his career. He, outside of two games, rarely made his team better in the biggest moments.

Put it this way, if you could magically have any QB from the last 2 decades in their prime to start your own NFL franchise -- how many guys would you list before Eli's name came up? I came up with 10 or 12.

Preamble:
Names listed here are not ME personally yes I'm typing them but I'm also using logic on the vast majority and what the media would say
Brady
Brees
Ben
Rodgers - I can't resist but still overrated lol
Wilson
Newton - Injury prone but he'd still get picked
Peyton
Luck - again injury prone
Matt Ryan - blah
Rivers - sure if you DON'T want to make the playoffs regularly and NOT sniff a Super Bowl lol
Romo? - I liked him personally but just flopped
Maybe a few outliers:
Jay Cutler?
Zach Mettenberger?
Aaron Brooks?
Tim Rattay?

That last crop is PRIMO! haha

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Good points. I really don't care either way about Eli. Personally, I wouldn't vote for him. But I also wouldn't be shocked or surprised if he gets in.

The evolution of the game point is fascinating to me. How should leagues/sports deal with that? 35 thousand passing yards used to be impressive. Now, not really. For awhile, 1000 yard rushing seasons were growing on trees. Now, not so much (again). So what are HOF's to do with all these stats? Especially as players are having longer and healthier careers?

Should be based on the ERA as they've all been different and unique.
Still the greatest season by a QB in NFL history is Marino in '84
LT for a RB in 2006

[Mojouw]

Preamble:
Names listed here are not ME personally yes I'm typing them but I'm also using logic on the vast majority and what the media would say
Brady
Brees
Ben
Rodgers - I can't resist but still overrated lol
Wilson
Newton - Injury prone but he'd still get picked
Peyton
Luck - again injury prone
Matt Ryan - blah
Rivers - sure if you DON'T want to make the playoffs regularly and NOT sniff a Super Bowl lol
Romo? - I liked him personally but just flopped
Maybe a few outliers:
Jay Cutler?
Zach Mettenberger?
Aaron Brooks?
Tim Rattay?

That last crop is PRIMO! haha

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Should be based on the ERA as they've all been different and unique.
Still the greatest season by a QB in NFL history is Marino in '84
LT for a RB in 2006

All of these guys started games in the last 20 years that I would RATHER have to start an imaginary NFL franchise than Eli:

Favre
Peyton
Brady
Brees
Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Luck
Wilson
Mahomes
Watson
Wentz
Rivers
Ryan

Then there is a clump of guys like Eli, Carson Palmer, Alex Smith, McNabb, Stafford, etc that you can make arguments for.

I mean that is 12-15 guys I can rattle off that I would put under center before Eli. In just his era.

[Born2Steel]

Eli gets into the HoF because of his 2 SB wins and MVPs plus doing it for a NY team adding to that over the "Legacy" edition Patriots multiplied by the name Manning. He's in.

Also consider that winning a SuperBowl carries it's own weight. Winning SuperBowl MVP carries weight(twice). He's in.

Let the debate continue forever. He's in.

[86WARD]

I don't buy it. Doesn't mean you aren't right -- just I can easily tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning. He has two defense focused SB runs. That's it. The rest of his career is a study in mediocrity.

https://sports.yahoo.com/no-eli-manning-does-not-belong-in-the-hall-of-fame-005406042.html
"Manning will finish his career as a .500 quarterback with a 116-116 record. Aside from the two Super Bowl runs, the Giants never won another playoff game during Manning’s 15-season tenure as starter."

"The junior Manning is a zero-time All-Pro and three-time NFL interception champion with a career quarterback rating (84.2) on par with Joe Flacco (84.1)."

"But his name is Manning. He played a long time for one of the NFL’s glamour franchises in the nation’s biggest market. And his Giants twice defeated the greatest villain in NFL history.
These are all standalone accomplishments that are rightfully celebrated. But just because a story is a good one and an integral part of the NFL fabric, it doesn’t make it Hall worthy."

Eli Manning's career is essentially a version of Joe Flacco or Andy Dalton or Alex Smith. Only he did it in New York for a long time and with a famous last name. If his name was Eli Jones and he played in Tampa we wouldn't be talking about this because he would've been benched 3 seasons ago at least. He struggled with accuracy throughout his career. He, outside of two games, rarely made his team better in the biggest moments.

Put it this way, if you could magically have any QB from the last 2 decades in their prime to start your own NFL franchise -- how many guys would you list before Eli's name came up? I came up with 10 or 12.

Eli was a big factor in getting to and winning those Super Bowls. The personnel that was on the 2008 and 2012 defenses were almost totally different players. The one consistent on those rosters was Eli. He definitely gets short changed when it comes to those playoff runs.

As far as telling the story of the NFL, it can’t be told without Eli and the Giants beating the 18-0 Patriots. Not only one time but he beat Brady twice. I guess you could tell the story without that part but it’s be a big omission.

Two decades is a pretty big time period. But I’d most likely take the guys with the most passing yardage, TDs, Super Bowls. Eli would be on the list, probably towards the bottom but that doesn’t mean he’s not Hall of Fame and it doesn’t mean the guy below or above him on that list isn’t HOF worthy. I mean if Bob Griese and Joe Namath are in there, Eli deserves to be in...easily.

[86WARD]

All of these guys started games in the last 20 years that I would RATHER have to start an imaginary NFL franchise than Eli:

Favre
Peyton
Brady
Brees
Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Wilson
Mahomes
Watson
Ryan


That’s about all I would take over Eli. Seven of which I’d easily put into the Hall of Fame and the remainder pending or debatable IMO.

So is Roethlisberger not a Hall of Famer because there may be 5,6,7 players you’d take over him to start a franchise?

[Mojouw]

That’s about all I would take over Eli. Seven of which I’d easily put into the Hall of Fame and the remainder pending or debatable IMO.

So is Roethlisberger not a Hall of Famer because there may be 5,6,7 players you’d take over him to start a franchise?

Ben gets in because he can and was viewed as one of the top 5-6 at his position during much of his career.

I wouldn't put Eli in the top 10 at any point.

One of his two signature plays was a horrible throw that gets picked or dropped 9/10 times.

I'm sure I just have a blindspot on this. But I just think Eli kinda sucks. He has big numbers because he started an incredible amount of games.

He's a .500 QB.

[AtlantaDan]

With regard to stats inflation, the NYT article to which I linked yesterday said around 6-8 HOF QBs have been playing at any one time - that metric takes into account how Bart Starr and Bob Griese are HOF QBs while Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford will not be

Unless the argument is the QB position is more important now due to it being a pass first league and more QBs from the current pass happy era should be in Canton, that is a good way to address why borderline candidates such as Eli (a .500 QB with two rings) and Rivers (a 55% winning record with no Super Bowl appearances) are not automatic admissions despite their passing stats

[86WARD]

Ben gets in because he can and was viewed as one of the top 5-6 at his position during much of his career.

I wouldn't put Eli in the top 10 at any point.

One of his two signature plays was a horrible throw that gets picked or dropped 9/10 times.

I'm sure I just have a blindspot on this. But I just think Eli kinda sucks. He has big numbers because he started an incredible amount of games.

He's a .500 QB.

He totally turned out to be a .500 QB and he did it with some shitty teams. Never really had a good team with eat receivers. I mean OBJ was probably the best he had, but at a time where the Giants were trash for the most part.

I get where your coming from and I’m not saying you are wrong, I just view this as a whole and who is in and who isn’t and based on that, I think Eli gets in.

Let’s ask this question though: If you could spend a first round pick on a guy knowing that he’s gonna have the exact same results as Eli when Ben retires versus an unknown, would you take the known results?

[Mojouw]

He totally turned out to be a .500 QB and he did it with some shitty teams. Never really had a good team with eat receivers. I mean OBJ was probably the best he had, but at a time where the Giants were trash for the most part.

I get where your coming from and I’m not saying you are wrong, I just view this as a whole and who is in and who isn’t and based on that, I think Eli gets in.

Let’s ask this question though: If you could spend a first round pick on a guy knowing that he’s gonna have the exact same results as Eli when Ben retires versus an unknown, would you take the known results?

Tough question. But I'd take the unknown. I honestly think if Elii wasn't named "Manning" but, say "Flacco" or "Smith" or "Dalton", he would've been replaced 3-5 years ago.

[Born2Steel]

Ben gets in because he can and was viewed as one of the top 5-6 at his position during much of his career.

I wouldn't put Eli in the top 10 at any point.

One of his two signature plays was a horrible throw that gets picked or dropped 9/10 times.

I'm sure I just have a blindspot on this. But I just think Eli kinda sucks. He has big numbers because he started an incredible amount of games.

He's a .500 QB.

Welcome to an opinion debate. Eli played on a .500 team, he was not a .500 QB. Think about how hard it is to just get to the SB. How hard is it to win the SB. How hard to win MVP of the SB. How hard to beat the Patriots in the SB. Eli did that TWICE! What makes Eli ELIgible to me is the way his successes were earned. Everyone remembers the helmet catch yet gloss over the fact that Eli had to Houdini out of a sure sack situation, reposition and reset just to make that throw. Opinion debate conclusion, I think Eli will be a first ballot HoFer.

[Born2Steel]

Tough question. But I'd take the unknown. I honestly think if Elii wasn't named "Manning" but, say "Flacco" or "Smith" or "Dalton", he would've been replaced 3-5 years ago.

You may very well be right that Eli should have retired a couple years ago. That doesn't negate his deserving to be in the Hall, IMO. Stats may be similar to Flacco but he was no "Moonball Joe". And I believe if you replace Dalton with Manning the Bengals are a very different story over the last 16 years. And Alex Smith could not have done what Eli did no matter how long he played. Anyway, fun debate.

[AtlantaDan]

Welcome to an opinion debate. Eli played on a .500 team, he was not a .500 QB. Think about how hard it is to just get to the SB. How hard is it to win the SB. How hard to win MVP of the SB. How hard to beat the Patriots in the SB. Eli did that TWICE! What makes Eli ELIgible to me is the way his successes were earned. Everyone remembers the helmet catch yet gloss over the fact that Eli had to Houdini out of a sure sack situation, reposition and reset just to make that throw. Opinion debate conclusion, I think Eli will be a first ballot HoFer.

Jim Plunkett is a .500 QB with two rings on a Raiders team that stomped a 1983 Washington team that going into that Super Bowl was the defending Super Bowl champ and being discussed as one of the great teams of all time. Not a chance Plunkett gets in.

As far as not being a .500 QB but playing on a .500 team, your record is what it is

The years of mediocrity after the 2 Lombardis cannot be discounted - cannot claim credit for winning when it was a team effort but deflect blame for the losing

[Born2Steel]

Jim Plunkett is a .500 QB with two rings on a Raiders team that stomped a 1983 Washington team that going into that Super Bowl was the defending Super Bowl champ and being discussed as one of the great teams of all time. Not a chance Plunkett gets in.

As far as not being a .500 QB but playing on a .500 team, your record is what it is

The years of mediocrity after the 2 Lombardis cannot be discounted - cannot claim credit for winning when it was a team effort but deflect blame for the losing

Not comparing Eli to Plunkett. Eli will get in because of what Eli did himself, in addition to being a Manning. IF Eli does not get in his 1st year of eligibility I will be shocked. Lots of ex-players with similar stats out there. Some are in and some are not. The voters have a lot to do with that. They will vote Eli in.

[86WARD]

Tough question. But I'd take the unknown. I honestly think if Elii wasn't named "Manning" but, say "Flacco" or "Smith" or "Dalton", he would've been replaced 3-5 years ago.

If he retired three years ago, his record would be 108-91 and he’d still be around 11-12 in all-time passing. Is a .543 record coupled with 2 SBs and 2 MVPs in those games enough to get him in then?

I’m not sure the Mara’s replace him even with his name not being Manning. They’re pretty loyal...very similar to the Rooney’s.

[AtlantaDan]

Not comparing Eli to Plunkett. Eli will get in because of what Eli did himself, in addition to being a Manning. IF Eli does not get in his 1st year of eligibility I will be shocked. Lots of ex-players with similar stats out there. Some are in and some are not. The voters have a lot to do with that. They will vote Eli in.

I agree he will get in.

Eli is not undeserving but the HOF voting process is often a popularity contest and in part contingent on who got publicity during and after their careers (see, e.g., the two coaches voted in as part of the Centennial Class over other worthy candidates being on pregame shows since they retired, which kept them in the public eye and allowed the NFL to have two nice photo ops during the playoffs broadcasts)

[Craic]

Eli gets into the HoF because of his 2 SB wins and MVPs plus doing it for a NY team adding to that over the "Legacy" edition Patriots multiplied by the name Manning. He's in.

Also consider that winning a SuperBowl carries it's own weight. Winning SuperBowl MVP carries weight(twice). He's in.

Let the debate continue forever. He's in.

I disagree on the name, Manning. In fact, I think that will be a hurdle rather than a boost. He's going to be weighed against his brother and his father, and if he doesn't come close to measuring up, it's gone to be difficult for him to get in. I think the fact that he made it to two SBs and beat the Pats* in both, one of which with two throws in the last seconds of the game will be what seals the deal for him.

[Mojouw]

You all raise some really good points. I do think Eli will get in. Personally, I'm just kinda of the belief that it should be incredibly difficult to get into the Hall. For instance, I wouldn't put Hines Ward in.

[86WARD]

You all raise some really good points. I do think Eli will get in. Personally, I'm just kinda of the belief that it should be incredibly difficult to get into the Hall. For instance, I wouldn't put Hines Ward in.

I agree with you on the difficulty aspect. It’s why I don’t think players like Joe Namath, Bob Griese, Terrell Davis, etc. don’t belong. But if those guys can get in, then Eli and Hines Ward should get in. I think it will take a lot of time but I think Hines gets in at some point. Again, based on the fact of the previous members and their accomplishments.

[Hawkman]

You all raise some really good points. I do think Eli will get in. Personally, I'm just kinda of the belief that it should be incredibly difficult to get into the Hall. For instance, I wouldn't put Hines Ward in.

I’m not sure I would put Swann in. He had some beautiful catches, but Ward was the bigger work horse. Hell they had a rule named after him. I’m not disagreeing with you, just saying how by “ generation “ the votes go. Faneca should have been in from the start. Best pulling guard.....maybe ever. But that’s just me.


Obviously Swann is already in....ya’ll know what I meant.:hurt:

[SteelersNorth]

You may very well be right that Eli should have retired a couple years ago. That doesn't negate his deserving to be in the Hall, IMO. Stats may be similar to Flacco but he was no "Moonball Joe". And I believe if you replace Dalton with Manning the Bengals are a very different story over the last 16 years. And Alex Smith could not have done what Eli did no matter how long he played. Anyway, fun debate.

You had an earlier post about Eli's record so I'm only taking the 2004 class along with their current numbers as they stand

Eli:
Regular season he was 117-117
Playoffs 8-4 BUT 1 and done 4 times
2 Super Bowls

Numbers wise:
Yards - 57,023
TDs - 366
Picks - 244
Career Completion % - 60.3

Rivers:
Reg Season - 123-101
Playoffs - 5-6

Numbers:
Yards - 59, 271
TDs - 397
Picks - 198
Completion % - 64.7

Ben:
Reg Season - 144-71-1
Playoffs - 13-8
2 Super Bowls and ripped off on an MVP in XLIII

Numbers:
Yards - 56,545
TDs - 363
Picks - 191
Completion % - 64.3

Anyway I used the bare bones unless people want more haha
Based on what I know and have seen
Ben is a LOCK
Eli is debatable yet I think he will get in purely on his name and the 2 magical runs
Rivers should never make it. Sure numbers are great but most have been during some rather bad years and no deep playoff runs.

[86WARD]

Ben was one and done 4 times in the playoffs as well. Had more victories/losses in playoffs though.

[SteelersNorth]

Ben was one and done 4 times in the playoffs as well. Had more victories/losses in playoffs though.

He's also been to the playoffs far more...his record speaks to that.

[AtlantaDan]

Ben was one and done 4 times in the playoffs as well. Had more victories/losses in playoffs though.

Might have been doing it for the Giants

Here’s something I didn’t know: Ben Roethlisberger’s name was actually on the Giants’ draft card on April 24, 2004, as the team hit the clock with the fourth pick coming up.

I did know Roethlisberger was going to be the pick if the Giants couldn’t get Ole Miss QB Eli Manning, as has been widely discussed over the last 16 years. But I wasn’t aware it was that close to actually going down. And it was right on the edge of happening that afternoon because, as the Cardinals took Larry Fitzgerald at three and the Giants’ turn came, the Chargers, who took Manning first overall, had gone totally radio silent on then New York GM Ernie Accorsi....

Earlier in the week, then Chargers GM A.J. Smith promised Accorsi that he’d call him the day before the draft. Despite rumblings that Manning wanted no part of San Diego, Friday came and went without a call. So Accorsi figured it was over. He was moving forward. But he’d at least leave the door open, so instead of just turning the card in as the clock started, as the Giants routinely had in the past, he chose to wait....

“He called me and asked for Osi again, and we said no,” Accorsi said on Saturday afternoon. “Then he said, ‘Would you give me next year’s No. 1?’ Well, we’d already talked about that, and decided we’d be willing to do it. I said yes, and we both called into [NFL exec] Joel Bussert. He had to get both of us on the phone at the same time, he literally had a phone on each ear, and the clock was running out.”

With under a minute to go, Bussert said the magic words to both GMs: We have a trade.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/01/27/super-bowl-liv-49ers-chiefs-kobe-bryant-eli-manning-mmqb

[Fire Goodell]

You had an earlier post about Eli's record so I'm only taking the 2004 class along with their current numbers as they stand

Eli:
Regular season he was 117-117
Playoffs 8-4 BUT 1 and done 4 times
2 Super Bowls

Numbers wise:
Yards - 57,023
TDs - 366
Picks - 244
Career Completion % - 60.3

Rivers:
Reg Season - 123-101
Playoffs - 5-6

Numbers:
Yards - 59, 271
TDs - 397
Picks - 198
Completion % - 64.7

Ben:
Reg Season - 144-71-1
Playoffs - 13-8
2 Super Bowls and ripped off on an MVP in XLIII

Numbers:
Yards - 56,545
TDs - 363
Picks - 191
Completion % - 64.3

Anyway I used the bare bones unless people want more haha
Based on what I know and have seen
Ben is a LOCK
Eli is debatable yet I think he will get in purely on his name and the 2 magical runs
Rivers should never make it. Sure numbers are great but most have been during some rather bad years and no deep playoff runs.

Andy Dalton:
Playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs, you kiddin me? PLAYOFFS!!??? I Just hope we can win a game! :chuckle:

[SteelersNorth]

Jim Plunkett is a .500 QB with two rings on a Raiders team that stomped a 1983 Washington team that going into that Super Bowl was the defending Super Bowl champ and being discussed as one of the great teams of all time. Not a chance Plunkett gets in.

As far as not being a .500 QB but playing on a .500 team, your record is what it is

The years of mediocrity after the 2 Lombardis cannot be discounted - cannot claim credit for winning when it was a team effort but deflect blame for the losing

That's what I like to call Aaron Rodgers Syndrome.
Give all the credit in the world to him or X QB and then when they lose...oh ummm hmmmm ummmm yyyeeeaaahhhhh who do we blame now?

[Fire Goodell]

Athletes always thank god for winning, but never blame him for losing. I'm still waiting for that to happen cause it'd be funny as hell

[43Hitman]

Athletes always thank god for winning, but never blame him for losing. I'm still waiting for that to happen cause it'd be funny as hell

I think that kid from Buffalo, Steven Johnson, blamed God one time because he dropped a game winning TD. :chuckle:

[Fire Goodell]

Eli Manning is the Riddick Bowe of QB's IMO. As far as his entire body of work, he underachieved. However, Bowe dominated the then-best boxer twice (Holyfield). Eli went against the GOAT twice and won, probably why he will get in.

Of course I can already hear the narrators say the cliche "Great players aren't always great, they're just great when they have to be". The last two Giants SB teams were pretty much that, they were fringe playoff teams who never looked dominant until the playoffs where they caught fire.

I do have to say I was never really impressed with Eli much, but I will say he may be one of the best ever at staying cool in pressure situations