PDA

View Full Version : Steelers linebacker Anthony Chickillo arrested facing several charges



tube517
10-20-2019, 08:49 PM
https://www.wtae.com/article/steelers-linebacker-anthony-chickillo-arrested-facing-several-charges/29528843#

Edman
10-20-2019, 08:58 PM
This week...on Days of our Steelers...

Fire Goodell
10-20-2019, 09:02 PM
Ola is better anyway

Edman
10-20-2019, 09:09 PM
This may be the golden chance to unload his useless ass.

The team just got off of an entire season of locker room cancer. There is no margin for error on the season and this fuckstick wants to act out. Not even talented enough to warrant the headache like Brown.

AtlantaDan
10-20-2019, 09:23 PM
Chickillo and his girlfriend seem nice

State police said that Chickillo's girlfriend was cited for harassment as well.

https://www.wpxi.com/sports/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/steelers-linebacker-anthony-chickillo-facing-charges-after-domestic-situation-with-girlfriend/999711652

GoSlash27
10-20-2019, 09:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVrEwCa8nSA

NCSteeler
10-20-2019, 10:06 PM
Chickillo and his girlfriend seem nice

State police said that Chickillo's girlfriend was cited for harassment as well.

https://www.wpxi.com/sports/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/steelers-linebacker-anthony-chickillo-facing-charges-after-domestic-situation-with-girlfriend/999711652Had a few too many drinks looked at the wrong skirt. It happens. Haha

Sent from my moto x4 using Tapatalk

JayC
10-20-2019, 10:21 PM
Cut him I don't like him anyways he sucks

steelreserve
10-20-2019, 10:51 PM
Didn't I make some post a few weeks ago, about how if Chickillo and Grimble decided to both go get arrested one night, nobody would really miss them? Well, we were already without one, now's our chance to put the full theory to the test.

86WARD
10-21-2019, 05:05 AM
I think his Chick-illo is a Track and Field Star. She can probably throw a nice punch. She’s not bad to look at either. Might as well cut him and bring back AB if you’re gonna harbor a fugitive...right?!?

FrancoLambert
10-21-2019, 07:02 AM
Chickillo’s best move is posing like a tough guy after somebody else makes a play.

Dwinsgames
10-21-2019, 07:59 AM
hasta la vista baby

tube517
10-21-2019, 10:24 AM
1186299807704465408

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-21-2019, 10:28 AM
I think his Chick-illo is a Track and Field Star. She can probably throw a nice punch. She’s not bad to look at either. Might as well cut him and bring back AB if you’re gonna harbor a fugitive...right?!?

He isn't gonna get the James Harrison treatment for hitting his girlfriend and breaking her cell phone. Seriously, it kind of sounds strangely similar to Harrison's incident, although I think the Harrison fight was over his kid.

Mojouw
10-21-2019, 10:41 AM
1186299807704465408


He isn't gonna get the James Harrison treatment for hitting his girlfriend and breaking her cell phone. Seriously, it kind of sounds strangely similar to Harrison's incident, although I think the Harrison fight was over his kid.

That reads, to me, that they just told Chick-filet that he should take a break while they work through the cap ramifications of releasing him.

Dwinsgames
10-21-2019, 10:47 AM
That reads, to me, that they just told Chick-filet that he should take a break while they work through the cap ramifications of releasing him.

maybe seeing if they can recoupe a conditional 7th from someone for the rights to the playbook ? LOL

AtlantaDan
10-21-2019, 10:50 AM
He isn't gonna get the James Harrison treatment for hitting his girlfriend and breaking her cell phone. Seriously, it kind of sounds strangely similar to Harrison's incident, although I think the Harrison fight was over his kid.

Scrubs are not getting any benefit of the doubt

After Harrison had his assault the Steelers released Cedrick Wilson within the next two weeks on another domestic assault allegation

Not Dan Rooney's finest moment in explaining the disparate treatment of Harrison and Wilson

I know of the incidents, they are completely different. In fact, when I say we don't condone these things, we don't, but we do have to look at the circumstances that are involved with other players and things like that, so they're not all the same."

In Mr. Harrison's case, Mr. Rooney said the player was trying to take his son to be baptized.

"What Jimmy Harrison was doing and how the incident occurred, what he was trying to do was really well worth it," he said of Mr. Harrison's initial intent with his son. "He was doing something that was good, wanted to take his son to get baptized where he lived and things like that. She said she didn't want to do it."


https://www.post-gazette.com/local/neighborhoods/2008/03/21/Rooney-s-rationale-in-abuse-cases-leads-to-criticism/stories/200803210180

HollywoodSteel
10-21-2019, 10:57 AM
He isn't gonna get the James Harrison treatment for hitting his girlfriend and breaking her cell phone. Seriously, it kind of sounds strangely similar to Harrison's incident, although I think the Harrison fight was over his kid.

The Steelers will react more conscienciously with this one because times have changed since the Harrison incident, and these types of situations have to be taken more seriously now.

Also... Harrison was good and Chickillo sucks.

I’ll leave it to you to decide what the more relevant factor is.

Fire Goodell
10-21-2019, 11:13 AM
he'll be signed by the patriots in a week to back up winovich :chuckle:

steelreserve
10-21-2019, 11:44 AM
That reads, to me, that they just told Chick-filet that he should take a break while they work through the cap ramifications of releasing him.

This is the one thing that could've happened to make his contract a problem for us. It was a cute move to do a one-year contract as a two-year deal with a signing bonus, but if we have to cut him *right now*, that's $2M extra we eat this year, which is basically all our remaining in-season buffer, plus we have to spend more on top of that to hire a replacement.

My guess is they are trying to find out if they can void the bonus because of some player-conduct clause, and if not they'll simply suspend him for the maximum number of games and then deactivate him. They could also be waiting to see if the league takes action first.

Well, in any case, it looks like I will soon get my off-season wish, and we will see the effect of replacing Chickillo with Player X from the vet-minimum journeyman scrap heap. It's a shame we had to do it the hard way.


After Harrison had his assault the Steelers released Cedrick Wilson within the next two weeks on another domestic assault allegation

Not Dan Rooney's finest moment in explaining the disparate treatment of Harrison and Wilson




That was a pretty cringeworthy moment. If I recall correctly, either Rooney or Colbert also said something like, "It was easy to cut this guy because he's the third receiver - Harrison's a Pro Bowl pass rusher, so we're keeping him."

Ugh. Like, all you had to say was, "Wilson should've known better, he knew we were already under the microscope from recent events, now we have to put our foot down." Done. Over and out. Clearly they did not consult with a PR specialist on that one.

Fire Goodell
10-21-2019, 12:05 PM
Well the reality of the world is if you're valuable, you're held to a different standard. AB if he were the 4th-5th receiver would have been cut over the FB Live video. James Harrison was a defensive MVP, of course you aint gonna cut him over what you'd cut your 3rd LB for.

Mojouw
10-21-2019, 12:19 PM
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/anthony-chickillo-16938/#

From what I can gather looking at this, cutting him today is the same as cutting him at any point in the off-season. The 2020 dead cap is the same. It is just if they want to have another 1.1 million hit their 2019 cap sheet. Additionally, this move (cutting Chick tomorrow) appears to somehow actually save the team 2019 cap dollars.

Honestly, 1.1 million is chump change for an NFL team. Cut him now and use the rest of the season to evaluate Olay Alphabet Toledo.

steelreserve
10-21-2019, 12:38 PM
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/anthony-chickillo-16938/#

From what I can gather looking at this, cutting him today is the same as cutting him at any point in the off-season. The 2020 dead cap is the same. It is just if they want to have another 1.1 million hit their 2019 cap sheet. Additionally, this move (cutting Chick tomorrow) appears to somehow actually save the team 2019 cap dollars.

Honestly, 1.1 million is chump change for an NFL team. Cut him now and use the rest of the season to evaluate Olay Alphabet Toledo.

Nah man, if they cut him now, they eat $2.2M of bonus money against this year's cap; if they cut him in the offseason, it's $1.1M against this year's and $1.1M against next year's.

I had thought the numbers were more like $1M vs. $3M, or $2M vs. $4M, but more of it is rolled up into roster bonuses and next year's salary than I thought. So bottom line is we would only eat an additional $1.1M (plus the cost of paying his replacement), which sucks but would still fit under the cap. I think we have roughly $3M of in-season cap space, so with $2M plus a replacement, we'd be using all of it, maybe need to create more funny money with restructures.

We might as well just get rid of him, but it probably would've been about $2M cheaper overall if he was just on a regular base-salary contract like most of the other scrubs in the league, and all we were on the hook for was 6 weeks' pay. If we don't think he would've signed such a deal - oh well, he can have fun on the Patriots.

tube517
10-21-2019, 12:58 PM
Scrubs are not getting any benefit of the doubt

After Harrison had his assault the Steelers released Cedrick Wilson within the next two weeks on another domestic assault allegation

Not Dan Rooney's finest moment in explaining the disparate treatment of Harrison and Wilson

I know of the incidents, they are completely different. In fact, when I say we don't condone these things, we don't, but we do have to look at the circumstances that are involved with other players and things like that, so they're not all the same."

In Mr. Harrison's case, Mr. Rooney said the player was trying to take his son to be baptized.

"What Jimmy Harrison was doing and how the incident occurred, what he was trying to do was really well worth it," he said of Mr. Harrison's initial intent with his son. "He was doing something that was good, wanted to take his son to get baptized where he lived and things like that. She said she didn't want to do it."


https://www.post-gazette.com/local/neighborhoods/2008/03/21/Rooney-s-rationale-in-abuse-cases-leads-to-criticism/stories/200803210180

Jimmy? I think Papa Dan is the only who could call him "Jimmy" lol.

Mojouw
10-21-2019, 01:45 PM
Nah man, if they cut him now, they eat $2.2M of bonus money against this year's cap; if they cut him in the offseason, it's $1.1M against this year's and $1.1M against next year's.

I had thought the numbers were more like $1M vs. $3M, or $2M vs. $4M, but more of it is rolled up into roster bonuses and next year's salary than I thought. So bottom line is we would only eat an additional $1.1M (plus the cost of paying his replacement), which sucks but would still fit under the cap. I think we have roughly $3M of in-season cap space, so with $2M plus a replacement, we'd be using all of it, maybe need to create more funny money with restructures.

We might as well just get rid of him, but it probably would've been about $2M cheaper overall if he was just on a regular base-salary contract like most of the other scrubs in the league, and all we were on the hook for was 6 weeks' pay. If we don't think he would've signed such a deal - oh well, he can have fun on the Patriots.

The salary cap and I don't always get along, but you are coming up with far different numbers than this - looks like it is 1.1 million dead cap in 2020 no matter when they cut him and 1.1 in dead cap this year if they cut him soon which is cheaper than the 1.9 he makes if he is on the roster the whole year? Of course in raw cash -- he made more:


P


Bonus Breakdown

Cap Details
Cash Details



Year

Age
Base Salary
Signing
Roster
Cap Hit
Dead Cap
Yearly Cash



2019 (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/18/cap-2019/)
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/Pittsburgh-Steelers-logo-psd22874.png
27
$805,000
$1,097,500
-
$1,902,500
$2,195,000 (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/anthony-chickillo-16938/#)
$3,000,000($3,000,000)





Pre-6/1 Release 2019 Dead Cap: $2,195,000 2019 Cap Savings: $-292,500
Pre-6/1 Trade 2019 Dead Cap: $2,195,000 2019 Cap Savings: $-292,500
Post-6/1 Release 2019 Dead Cap: $1,097,500 2020 Dead Cap: $1,097,500 2019 Cap Savings: $805,000
Post-6/1 Trade 2019 Dead Cap: $1,097,500 2020 Dead Cap: $1,097,500 2019 Cap Savings: $805,000







Potential Out: 2020, 1 yr, $3,000,000; $1,097,500 dead cap





2020 (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/18/cap-2020/)
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/Pittsburgh-Steelers-logo-psd22874.png
28
$4,500,000
$1,097,500
$500,000
$6,097,500
$1,097,500 (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/anthony-chickillo-16938/#)
$5,000,000($8,000,000)



2021
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/Pittsburgh-Steelers-logo-psd22874.png
29
UFA



Sources: NFL contract specifics generally collected from verified reports.

steelreserve
10-21-2019, 03:23 PM
The salary cap and I don't always get along, but you are coming up with far different numbers than this - looks like it is 1.1 million dead cap in 2020 no matter when they cut him and 1.1 in dead cap this year if they cut him soon which is cheaper than the 1.9 he makes if he is on the roster the whole year? Of course in raw cash -- he made more:


P


Bonus Breakdown

Cap Details
Cash Details



Year

Age
Base Salary
Signing
Roster
Cap Hit
Dead Cap
Yearly Cash



2019 (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/18/cap-2019/)
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/Pittsburgh-Steelers-logo-psd22874.png
27
$805,000
$1,097,500
-
$1,902,500
$2,195,000 (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/anthony-chickillo-16938/#)
$3,000,000($3,000,000)





Pre-6/1 Release 2019 Dead Cap: $2,195,000 2019 Cap Savings: $-292,500
Pre-6/1 Trade 2019 Dead Cap: $2,195,000 2019 Cap Savings: $-292,500
Post-6/1 Release 2019 Dead Cap: $1,097,500 2020 Dead Cap: $1,097,500 2019 Cap Savings: $805,000
Post-6/1 Trade 2019 Dead Cap: $1,097,500 2020 Dead Cap: $1,097,500 2019 Cap Savings: $805,000







Potential Out: 2020, 1 yr, $3,000,000; $1,097,500 dead cap





2020 (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/team/18/cap-2020/)
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/Pittsburgh-Steelers-logo-psd22874.png
28
$4,500,000
$1,097,500
$500,000
$6,097,500
$1,097,500 (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/anthony-chickillo-16938/#)
$5,000,000($8,000,000)



2021
https://d1dglpr230r57l.cloudfront.net/images/thumb/Pittsburgh-Steelers-logo-psd22874.png
29
UFA



Sources: NFL contract specifics generally collected from verified reports.



The way those charts work is, the "dead money" is what you eat right then if you cut the player - and then the future dead money disappears because it accelerated into the current year. So in this case, if we cut him now, we would eat $2.2M now and nothing in 2020. But if we cut him any time after the end of the league year in March, it would be $1.1M in 2019 amd $1.1M in 2020.

And of course, as you pointed out, it looks like we would save about $500K in base salary for cutting him now, so the net effect on our cap would only be something like $600K this season plus whatever we paid his replacement, which is totally manageable. (Note: This still means we would have paid Chickillo a total of about $2.5M for playing 6 games and getting thrown off the team - d'oh.)

I also wonder if a league suspension means some of his signing bonus comes back to us, or some other cap space is freed up somehow.

Or it could be that they are waiting to see whether the police randomly announce in the next couple of days that it's all bullshit, and then it's back to business as usual. Who knows. A lot of questions over a guy who's not even that good.

AtlantaDan
10-21-2019, 03:34 PM
Or it could be that they are waiting to see whether the police randomly announce in the next couple of days that it's all bullshit, and then it's back to business as usual. Who knows. A lot of questions over a guy who's not even that good.

Doubtful the cops will conclude the girlfriend grabbed her own arms

Visible injuries were observed on the woman's left and right biceps, police said.

https://www.wpxi.com/sports/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/steelers-anthony-chickillo-told-not-to-report-to-practice-after-weekend-arrest/999711652

Can deactivate him pending what the league office does - question for me is does he still take up a space on the 53 man roster if he does not play pending a decision to (presumably) suspend him? :noidea:

steelreserve
10-21-2019, 04:35 PM
Doubtful the cops will conclude the girlfriend grabbed her own arms

Visible injuries were observed on the woman's left and right biceps, police said.

https://www.wpxi.com/sports/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/steelers-anthony-chickillo-told-not-to-report-to-practice-after-weekend-arrest/999711652

Can deactivate him pending what the league office does - question for me is does he still take up a space on the 53 man roster if he does not play pending a decision to (presumably) suspend him? :noidea:


I think that is what the commissioner's exempt list is for. Or maybe not, this is getting into a murky area.

Other than that, I think as long as you are not actually suspended, you are on the 53-man roster AND you are getting paid as usual. So whatever the case, they are going to want to get this sorted out in the next day or two. Probably consulting with lawyers and/or the commissioner's office today to see what they're allowed to do within league rules.

EzraTank
10-21-2019, 05:08 PM
I'll wait for more facts but roids, alcohol and gambling ... what a mix!

- - - Updated - - -


Nah man, if they cut him now, they eat $2.2M of bonus money against this year's cap; if they cut him in the offseason, it's $1.1M against this year's and $1.1M against next year's.

I had thought the numbers were more like $1M vs. $3M, or $2M vs. $4M, but more of it is rolled up into roster bonuses and next year's salary than I thought. So bottom line is we would only eat an additional $1.1M (plus the cost of paying his replacement), which sucks but would still fit under the cap. I think we have roughly $3M of in-season cap space, so with $2M plus a replacement, we'd be using all of it, maybe need to create more funny money with restructures.

We might as well just get rid of him, but it probably would've been about $2M cheaper overall if he was just on a regular base-salary contract like most of the other scrubs in the league, and all we were on the hook for was 6 weeks' pay. If we don't think he would've signed such a deal - oh well, he can have fun on the Patriots.

I think the owners need to make sure the next CBA includes a criminal charges clause that covers if a player is charged and convicted of crimes teams should be able to void their contract immediately and it not count a penny against the CAP. The key word here is CONVICTED.

Fire Goodell
10-21-2019, 05:18 PM
is Anthony Chickillo gonna have to choke a bitch? :chuckle:

NCSteeler
10-21-2019, 05:54 PM
I'll wait for more facts but roids, alcohol and gambling ... what a mix!

- - - Updated - - -



I think the owners need to make sure the next CBA includes a criminal charges clause that covers if a player is charged and convicted of crimes teams should be able to void their contract immediately and it not count a penny against the CAP. The key word here is CONVICTED.Idk. I wouldn't want to give a team an out to drafting and signing known dumbasses. Contract wise I still wish NFL would go NBA with full guaranteed contracts. The deals would be more down to earth and less hold outs. Then the teams would honestly know thier salary cap at all times without a super computer

Sent from my moto x4 using Tapatalk

steelreserve
10-21-2019, 05:55 PM
I'll wait for more facts but roids, alcohol and gambling ... what a mix!

- - - Updated - - -



I think the owners need to make sure the next CBA includes a criminal charges clause that covers if a player is charged and convicted of crimes teams should be able to void their contract immediately and it not count a penny against the CAP. The key word here is CONVICTED.

Since that can take much longer than a full season, I don't know how much good it would do.

The league and teams have set themselves up in a stupid contradiction, where they want to, and are expected to, cut ties with players immediately upon being accused of poor conduct (sometimes not even in criminal court), which means a slapdick "investigation" by woefully unqualified individuals. And at the same time, their convoluted rules have salary cap implications locked in for years at the moment of signing. This is a two-bit example of it, but something like AB or Aaron Hernandez present enormous cases of directly competing interests. But they got themselves into this mess, so I don't feel sorry for them.

As always, I find it absurd that teams are expected to discipline players the moment accusations surface, and the league will take action if not. Imagine that if at any moment, anybody could say you did something, and instead of a trial by judge or jury, your fate was decided by a football coach, with no actual evidence, within a couple of days, based on what he saw on TV.

stillers4me
10-22-2019, 05:20 AM
1186314783970287616

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-22-2019, 10:13 AM
As always, I find it absurd that teams are expected to discipline players the moment accusations surface, and the league will take action if not. Imagine that if at any moment, anybody could say you did something, and instead of a trial by judge or jury, your fate was decided by a football coach, with no actual evidence, within a couple of days, based on what he saw on TV.

I agree. Guilty until proven innocent by a court of football coaches and GM's. At least on the exempt list a guy is still getting paid, until their is clarification of the situation, but it still seems to go against the norm of society.

AtlantaDan
10-22-2019, 03:50 PM
I agree. Guilty until proven innocent by a court of football coaches and GM's. At least on the exempt list a guy is still getting paid, until their is clarification of the situation, but it still seems to go against the norm of society.

Norm of society is if you work in an employment at will State and are accused of sexual harassment, let alone criminal assault, your employer can fire you simply because it is not a good look for the company.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90334325/these-are-your-legal-rights-in-cases-of-workplace-sexual-harassment

Which is why a real union gets in the next CBA some protections until findings are made by an independent arbitrator or a court of law (via guilty plea or conviction)

steelreserve
10-22-2019, 04:14 PM
Norm of society is if you work in an employment at will State and are accused of sexual harassment, let alone criminal assault, your employer can fire you simply because it is not a good look for the company.



I think everyone knows that's the norm of society, but it's shitty, and overall a pretty sorry state of affairs.

"You're innocent until proven guilty, but we're going to go ahead and ignore that everywhere outside of the actual criminal court trial itself. It's fine if we ruin your life and bankrupt you regardless."

Basically the point where we have gotten to - thanks to social media and viral news stories - is public shaming like they had in the 1600s and 1700s. I'm pretty sure it fell out of favor because everyone kind of realized it was a terrible idea, but since the effect of modern technology on our social fabric has largely been to make people terrible and stupid, I guess it comes as no surprise.

DesertSteel
10-22-2019, 08:40 PM
I think everyone knows that's the norm of society, but it's shitty, and overall a pretty sorry state of affairs.

"You're innocent until proven guilty, but we're going to go ahead and ignore that everywhere outside of the actual criminal court trial itself. It's fine if we ruin your life and bankrupt you regardless."

Basically the point where we have gotten to - thanks to social media and viral news stories - is public shaming like they had in the 1600s and 1700s. I'm pretty sure it fell out of favor because everyone kind of realized it was a terrible idea, but since the effect of modern technology on our social fabric has largely been to make people terrible and stupid, I guess it comes as no surprise.
Unless is your company that’s getting trashed in the media and your stock that’s dropping.

Mojouw
10-22-2019, 09:21 PM
I think everyone knows that's the norm of society, but it's shitty, and overall a pretty sorry state of affairs.

"You're innocent until proven guilty, but we're going to go ahead and ignore that everywhere outside of the actual criminal court trial itself. It's fine if we ruin your life and bankrupt you regardless."

Basically the point where we have gotten to - thanks to social media and viral news stories - is public shaming like they had in the 1600s and 1700s. I'm pretty sure it fell out of favor because everyone kind of realized it was a terrible idea, but since the effect of modern technology on our social fabric has largely been to make people terrible and stupid, I guess it comes as no surprise.

Same thing has been happening for as long as there has been communication. You can find several thousand year old ancient Mesopotamian customer service complaints as well as a lists of grievances against officials.

We just see and hear it faster now.

HollywoodSteel
10-22-2019, 09:34 PM
This does give us an excuse to sign Tupac back I suppose, if he drops to us in the waiver order

steelreserve
10-22-2019, 10:29 PM
Unless is your company that’s getting trashed in the media and your stock that’s dropping.

People are stupid. The media uproar and public concern lasts the same amount of time no matter what you do, in other words, "extremely temporary."

When you are dealing with the kind of brainless activists that make a public spectacle of things like that, in my opinion you should never apologize or try to make nice with them. If they get what they want, they don't behave like normal people and say, "Well, it looks like we were able to work that out, glad we were able to come to a sensible conclusion." They just see that they were rewarded for shitheaded behavior, so it encourages more shitheaded behavior, as if you were dealing with a dog or something. Better to just ignore it.

AtlantaDan
10-23-2019, 03:28 PM
1187097124963540994
1187097807527829506
1187097842806116354

So admin leave with pay for Chickillo while allegations investigated and his roster spot is backfilled.

Seems reasonable to me although I would not have exempt list provisions include attending meetings or access to facilities for anything other than treatment of an injury incurred on the job

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-23-2019, 04:30 PM
Signed Jayrone Elliot and not Tuzar Skipper? How Dare they!!!!

tube517
10-23-2019, 05:26 PM
Signed Jayrone Elliot and not Tuzar Skipper? How Dare they!!!!Fire Jason Gildong!

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 8

DesertSteel
10-23-2019, 09:01 PM
People are stupid. The media uproar and public concern lasts the same amount of time no matter what you do, in other words, "extremely temporary."

When you are dealing with the kind of brainless activists that make a public spectacle of things like that, in my opinion you should never apologize or try to make nice with them. If they get what they want, they don't behave like normal people and say, "Well, it looks like we were able to work that out, glad we were able to come to a sensible conclusion." They just see that they were rewarded for shitheaded behavior, so it encourages more shitheaded behavior, as if you were dealing with a dog or something. Better to just ignore it.
So if you owned a multi-billion dollar company and one of your key executives was under charges of domestic violence and/or sexual misconduct, you’d just keep things the same while it drug out in the court systems for 18 months because you shouldn’t take action until they’re proven guilty? You wouldn’t have a multi-billion dollar business for long.

steelreserve
10-23-2019, 09:52 PM
So if you owned a multi-billion dollar company and one of your key executives was under charges of domestic violence and/or sexual misconduct, you’d just keep things the same while it drug out in the court systems for 18 months because you shouldn’t take action until they’re proven guilty? You wouldn’t have a multi-billion dollar business for long.

Sure I would - and I would have that multi-billion dollar business for exactly the same amount of time as if I'd fired the person. In fact, that happens all the time.

Please, name one multibillion-dollar business where someone has been accused of indecency and then the company went bankrupt because of moral outrage. It hasn't happened. All it is is a bunch of noise, and a few people congratulate each other for being woke, and then it goes away. Nothing actually happens.

Maybe there's an isolated case here or there, where the person who was accused of something was actually the key person running the company, and then things go to shit because that person is no longer there, but that's basically the opposite of what you are talking about.

In other words, moral outrage over people's personal transgressions almost never leads to anything substantive, almost never has caused anything on the level of a boycott, and has almost never had any lasting effect on the company's bottom line. It is all a bunch of hype that the activist types want to suck the rest of us into, and make that the new normal. I am sorry they managed to pull you into that, but it is never too late to wake up from that.

Mojouw
10-23-2019, 10:05 PM
Weird. Can't think of a relevant example.

Hmmm. Multi billion dollar industry....maybe the NFL?

Public outrage leads to changes in things....player conduct policy...drug protocols.....tarnishing the shield.....

DesertSteel
10-23-2019, 10:41 PM
Sure I would - and I would have that multi-billion dollar business for exactly the same amount of time as if I'd fired the person. In fact, that happens all the time.

Please, name one multibillion-dollar business where someone has been accused of indecency and then the company went bankrupt because of moral outrage. It hasn't happened. All it is is a bunch of noise, and a few people congratulate each other for being woke, and then it goes away. Nothing actually happens.

Maybe there's an isolated case here or there, where the person who was accused of something was actually the key person running the company, and then things go to shit because that person is no longer there, but that's basically the opposite of what you are talking about.

In other words, moral outrage over people's personal transgressions almost never leads to anything substantive, almost never has caused anything on the level of a boycott, and has almost never had any lasting effect on the company's bottom line. It is all a bunch of hype that the activist types want to suck the rest of us into, and make that the new normal. I am sorry they managed to pull you into that, but it is never too late to wake up from that.
Think whatever you want. You can't find the examples because there aren't any situations where an accused offender continues in his role. It's called public relations. Your argument is a straw man.

steelreserve
10-24-2019, 01:53 AM
Weird. Can't think of a relevant example.

Hmmm. Multi billion dollar industry....maybe the NFL?

Public outrage leads to changes in things....player conduct policy...drug protocols.....tarnishing the shield.....

Was the NFL struggling when it went on the player conduct PR kick? Did people really care so much that the league was in danger?

Or did the fans kind of shrug and go "hmm, well I guess some players are jerks in real life, oh well."

Did the new policy improve anything at all? Did it make it look like the league is full of players who are better-behaved role models? Or did it make it look like the players were poorly-behaved hooligans by calling many times more attention to each incident?



Think whatever you want. You can't find the examples because there aren't any situations where an accused offender continues in his role. It's called public relations. Your argument is a straw man.

Actually, I was asking if you could find an example of a company that struggled because someone was not fired. Similarly, you won't be able to find one. Not a single one.

But not because of the part in bold. I mean, lol. You actually believe that?

Plenty of cases where people are accused and cleared, maybe put on leave until then, maybe not. I mean literally hundreds.

Public relations ... well, that is what's caused you to believe that being auto-fired is what will happen every time, what should happen, what is the only thing that can and indeed MUST happen. Not public relations on the part of the companies, though. Public relations on the part of the activists. They got you good.

Butch
10-24-2019, 06:11 AM
So if you owned a multi-billion dollar company and one of your key executives was under charges of domestic violence and/or sexual misconduct, you’d just keep things the same while it drug out in the court systems for 18 months because you shouldn’t take action until they’re proven guilty? You wouldn’t have a multi-billion dollar business for long.

Honestly that is the way he should handle it. just because someone is accused of something it doesn't mean they did it. Even if they were arrested for it doesn't mean they did it. That is why we have a court system rather than a court of public opinion.

86WARD
10-24-2019, 06:34 AM
Please, name one multibillion-dollar business where someone has been accused of indecency and then the company went bankrupt because of moral outrage. It hasn't happened. All it is is a bunch of noise, and a few people congratulate each other for being woke, and then it goes away. Nothing actually happens.

Maybe there's an isolated case here or there, where the person who was accused of something was actually the key person running the company, and then things go to shit because that person is no longer there, but that's basically the opposite of what you are talking about.



Off the top of my head...Girls Gone Wild (bankrupt), Carolina Panthers (forced to sell). Both of those were because of ownership. How about Penn State University. They suffered pretty bad, arguably still suffering the effects of some employees actions. Not bankrupt but their football program, sports programs and enrollment suffered very much...they took quite a PR and financial hit.

Mojouw
10-24-2019, 07:40 AM
Didn’t Colt go bankrupt a few times due to a combination of lost patents and pr hits after mass shootings?

steelreserve
10-24-2019, 09:10 AM
Off the top of my head...Girls Gone Wild (bankrupt), Carolina Panthers (forced to sell). Both of those were because of ownership. How about Penn State University. They suffered pretty bad, arguably still suffering the effects of some employees actions. Not bankrupt but their football program, sports programs and enrollment suffered very much...they took quite a PR and financial hit.

That's exactly my point.

Girls Gone Wild went under because the owner did some really shady (like, illegal) stuff and basically got shut down. Not because the customers were morally outraged and boycotted them.

Panthers - and the L.A. Clippers for that matter - were doing great as a business before whatever scandals and continued to do the same during and afterward, but had owners PR'ed out to no net effect.

Penn State had their coach PR'ed out and suffered the negative effects anyway. (Note: most of the negative effects were league-mandated effects, not from public outrage.)

Three excellent examples of different outcomes from poor behavior by a high-profile executive. One where the legal consequences sunk the business. One where they forced the guy out but it had no bearing on the survival of the business. One where they forced the guy out but suffered the same consequences anyway (and the real perpetrator ended up in real prison).

None of those were cases in which public outrage tanked the business. Public outrage never tanks the business. For that matter, the NFL was raking in cash hand-over-fist before the player conduct Protect the Shield bullshit, and that hasn't changed things a bit, despite currently having a worse image than ever. They just freaked out over the Ray Rice video and now have jumped onto the fire first, ask questions later bandwagon, which I think is a bad thing to have in sports or anywhere else.

AtlantaDan
10-24-2019, 09:19 AM
Public outrage never tanks the business.

This story has developed in the past few weeks

Kenneth Fisher Ruled Investing. Then He Made a Sexist Joke.

Mr. Fisher has lost control of his media narrative (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/business/mutfund/in-two-new-books-strategic-advice-before-you-invest.html?module=inline), as he gets skewered over sexist and lewd remarks he made this month at a financial services industry conference in San Francisco....

The damage has been quick and costly. In the past two weeks, public pensions and institutional investors like Fidelity have pulled nearly $2 billion from his privately held firm, Fisher Investments, which is based near Portland, Ore., and has 3,500 employees....

The backlash is an example of the repercussions executives face in a business world that no longer tolerates disparaging comments....

EPC, another influential pension consultant, issued a letter last Thursday recommending that its clients terminate holdings with Fisher Investments, saying Mr. Fisher’s behavior, his response to criticism and the subsequent prominent redemptions “lead us to question the sustainability of the firm.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/business/kenneth-fisher-investments-sexism.html

With online bad news spreading quickly and the standard for what has been tolerated in the past no longer being excused times have changed. Which is why businesses need to move quickly to address what in the past were just PR problems with no impact on the bottom line.


(https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/business/kenneth-fisher-investments-sexism.html)

steelreserve
10-24-2019, 09:46 AM
Didn’t Colt go bankrupt a few times due to a combination of lost patents and pr hits after mass shootings?

My understanding of what happened there is that they were a pretty poorly run business ... basically what they did was split the company in two, into a military/police company and a civilian firearms company, and loaded the civilian side up with all the debt. Then the mitary side lost its contracts because they designed some shitty weapons, and whaddya know, right at the exact same time, just.by miraculous coincidence, they merged the companies back together and they both went bankrupt at once.

Basically what I think they were trying to do was a sketchy move where they either sold off the handgun company to some poor suckers who were in love with the brand-name recognition, or let it go bankrupt - and kept the lucrative defense contracts for themselves. But when that didn't work out like they expected, they said, "Hey, here's a chance to make lemons into lemonade by making both companies go bankrupt at once, so we get out of paying anyone who we owe money."

The boycott you are thinkimg of was before that, when the CEO came out and said he was in favor of gun control, which naturally pissed off his customers. Actually a great example of woke PR virtue signaling causing business problems. Eventually they fired him, I think, and things went back to normal.

86WARD
10-24-2019, 09:55 AM
The Penn State Scandal had a ridiculous amount of public outrage at about 4 different stages.

steelreserve
10-24-2019, 11:18 AM
This story has developed in the past few weeks

Kenneth Fisher Ruled Investing. Then He Made a Sexist Joke.

Mr. Fisher has lost control of his media narrative (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/business/mutfund/in-two-new-books-strategic-advice-before-you-invest.html?module=inline), as he gets skewered over sexist and lewd remarks he made this month at a financial services industry conference in San Francisco....

The damage has been quick and costly. In the past two weeks, public pensions and institutional investors like Fidelity have pulled nearly $2 billion from his privately held firm, Fisher Investments, which is based near Portland, Ore., and has 3,500 employees....

The backlash is an example of the repercussions executives face in a business world that no longer tolerates disparaging comments....

EPC, another influential pension consultant, issued a letter last Thursday recommending that its clients terminate holdings with Fisher Investments, saying Mr. Fisher’s behavior, his response to criticism and the subsequent prominent redemptions “lead us to question the sustainability of the firm.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/business/kenneth-fisher-investments-sexism.html

With online bad news spreading quickly and the standard for what has been tolerated in the past no longer being excused times have changed. Which is why businesses need to move quickly to address what in the past were just PR problems with no impact on the bottom line.


(https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/business/kenneth-fisher-investments-sexism.html)

With all due respect, what you described was a case of businesses cutting ties with another business over fear of an imagined public backlash. Not an actual public backlash, because public backlashes that sink a business don't really exist.

ANYWAY, this is drifting away from the main point. I think we all acknowledge that this culture of firing people based on accusations does exist - there is no denying that.

I think it is a bad thing and should not exist; it is a short-sighted hysteria culture that is fundamentally wrong. On the big-picture moral level, outrage culture is a terrible development, because it does an end-around on the presumption of innocence -- basically replaces "innocent until proven guilty" with "yeah, but we can ruin your life anyway with our own extrajudicial process that has no pretense of fairness at all." I do not think that is what was intended with the 6th Amendment - like, at all.

Of course, people poo-pooh that as moral argument that doesn't apply to the business world, because it has no dollar value and therefore doesn't make a good business argument. Well, what I'm saying is, there's no business case for submitting to outrage culture either. None. It's worry over "the public backlash." Well, there's no public backlash. Some people get mad and make noise for a little while, mostly for their own benefit, and that's it. People can understand very easily that there is no dollar value gain from the moral argument of the presumption of innocence; for some reason, they cannot understand that there is also no dollar value on the moral argument of (mean-spirited) public righteousness. Zero. I cannot comprehend why people understand one but not the other. Probably because the latter provides some sort of self-confirmation. But it actually carries very negative and dangerous social consequences - you could say evil, in the wrong hands. And it is used by the wrong hands very frequently.

So yes, it exists, and people have accepted it as "oh well, that's just the way the world works now, wow that wacky modern internets and viral tweets and cancel culture." Well, you shouldn't accept it, it's terrible and frankly pretty frightening.

REALLY going back on topic, how does Chickillo being preemptively disciplined actually do anything to help the NFL or the Steelers? Does it create the appearance that one of their players did NOT do something questionable? Does it create the impression that there are few violent or bad-charactered players in the NFL? Does it send a message that the league won't tolerate such behavior? If so, why do the same kinds of people keep turning up on NFL rosters every year in similar numbers?

How many fans have been gained and how much money earned with the fire-first mentality? How many fans were lost and how many dollars wasted with the old way of handling things? I'll save you some time, the answer to all four questions is zero.

steelreserve
10-24-2019, 11:26 AM
The Penn State Scandal had a ridiculous amount of public outrage at about 4 different stages.

Yes, and what did the public outrage do? Anything different before and after Joe Paterno was fired?

Any lesser outrage against the university because he was fired? Nope.

Any lasting negative effects on the football program, other than the NCAA sanctions which were done for PR? Also nope.

Any lesser outrage against the university because of the NCAA sanctions? Also nope.

It was all a big show so people could virtue-signal and feel good about themselves. The business implications of firing Paterno or not, or the NCAA deciding to impose sanctions or not, were virtually zero.

"B-but! People were MAD!" But nothing. They were going to be mad either way. The only things that actually matter were that the actual criminal ended up in prison (which few people seem to talk about anymore), and that the saying "time heals all wounds" is not only accurate, but in fact the ONLY thing that makes much of a difference in cases of bad (criminal level) PR. That's it. You can do and say whatever you want in the meantime, but it's all a lot of running around for nothing.

Hawkman
10-24-2019, 02:52 PM
“With all due respect “ is an entirely overused and meaningless statement.....no one really means it anymore.....see what I did there:eyebrows:.....and this thread has gone way beyond Chick. Start another damn thread.

Mojouw
10-24-2019, 03:08 PM
Several fitness brands basically went under or pulled product lines from the market when people got pissed at Lance Armstrong.

People were plenty pissed off at Enron.

Uber and Lyft are examples of public perception and reaction impacting bottom lines.

We can go further back and find multiple examples in the wild and wooly days of the 1800 and 1900's were once abusive or gross business practices came to light, companies went out of business because of public outrage. Or at least pretended to go out of business and then cropped back up under a new name!

Like anything in life it is all pretty complicated and one size fits all blanket statements don't really fit anything.

86WARD
10-24-2019, 03:30 PM
Yes, and what did the public outrage do? Anything different before and after Joe Paterno was fired?

Any lesser outrage against the university because he was fired? Nope.

Any lasting negative effects on the football program, other than the NCAA sanctions which were done for PR? Also nope.

Any lesser outrage against the university because of the NCAA sanctions? Also nope.

It was all a big show so people could virtue-signal and feel good about themselves. The business implications of firing Paterno or not, or the NCAA deciding to impose sanctions or not, were virtually zero.

"B-but! People were MAD!" But nothing. They were going to be mad either way. The only things that actually matter were that the actual criminal ended up in prison (which few people seem to talk about anymore), and that the saying "time heals all wounds" is not only accurate, but in fact the ONLY thing that makes much of a difference in cases of bad (criminal level) PR. That's it. You can do and say whatever you want in the meantime, but it's all a lot of running around for nothing.

Sure it did it hurt the football program big time. It hurt enrollment. It hurt alumni relations. Did it close the school? No. The issue is still there. It’s still a HUGE blemish on the school and there’s still outrage about it. But what affects schools most? Money. What stopped coming in? Money. What have they paid out in settlements? Over $109 million. I would say the money that they lost out on has to fall under the category of business.

NCSteeler
10-24-2019, 06:47 PM
How about a big time baseball GM who basically did nothing wrong , that is if you have any common sense?

Sent from my moto x4 using Tapatalk

steelreserve
10-24-2019, 07:07 PM
Sure it did it hurt the football program big time. It hurt enrollment. It hurt alumni relations. Did it close the school? No. The issue is still there. It’s still a HUGE blemish on the school and there’s still outrage about it. But what affects schools most? Money. What stopped coming in? Money. What have they paid out in settlements? Over $109 million. I would say the money that they lost out on has to fall under the category of business.

That is absolutely correct, but what I was saying is, the college firing the football coach did nothing to change that, and the NCAA imposing sanctions did nothing to change it either.

Basically, you have two kinds of PR crises that come about because of accusations ... one kind where your bottom line is not being affected in any meaningful way, so there is nothing to fix by firing someone based on accusations ... the other is when something happened that is so bad that firing someone won't change people's opinions, which is the Penn State case. In neither of them does the fire-first approach do the business any good.

steelreserve
10-24-2019, 07:21 PM
Several fitness brands basically went under or pulled product lines from the market when people got pissed at Lance Armstrong.

People were plenty pissed off at Enron.

Uber and Lyft are examples of public perception and reaction impacting bottom lines.

We can go further back and find multiple examples in the wild and wooly days of the 1800 and 1900's were once abusive or gross business practices came to light, companies went out of business because of public outrage. Or at least pretended to go out of business and then cropped back up under a new name!

Like anything in life it is all pretty complicated and one size fits all blanket statements don't really fit anything.

I mean ... all the things you mentioned are cases of people disliking a company because of the way they do business, which is completely different.

It's not like people are angry at Uber because the CEO got arrested for drunk driving, or they were mad at Enron because the CEO was accused of beating up his girlfriend. Or that if either of those things happened, they would impact the company's profits, and firing the CEO would then fix it.

I did not say "There's no such thing as a PR crisis of any kind," which is apparently what people think I said. What I said was that personal-conduct PR crises are an absolute sham, and to a large extent the "crisis" is only as big as you make it via your response.

Like, in almost any case where someone is accused of something, could you not simply say, "This is a criminal case, so we're going to leave it to the police," and achieve the exact same financial result? But no, it's all about the virtue signal.

GoSlash27
10-24-2019, 09:07 PM
Yeah, I'm with Steelreserve on this one. Ironically, the SJW types insist that "moral outrage" is an effective tactic and keep trying to use it to their advantage, but the only time it's *actually* effective is against "woke" corporate policies.
I'm talkin' Gillette's "Men are bad" ad campaign, Disney's Star Wars, Lefty News, etc.

Moral outrage is only ever about how a corporate entity treats it's customers, not how individuals within that organization behave. Lefties don't seem to grasp that distinction, and it's fun to watch in a "train wreck" sorta way.

Mojouw
10-25-2019, 12:05 AM
I think sometimes we have to step back and see some of this stuff in the long view with a bit of a historical perspective. I agree that the NFL player conduct stuff is all nonsense stacked on top of silliness. But to simply dismiss all “moral outrage” as the work of wacky “SJW’s” or “virtue signaling” is to miss the larger and more complex picture. If those same terms would have been in use in the past movements like the suffragettes, the manga carta, unions, and things like Upton Sinclair’s work would have been glossed as SJW Virtue Signaling.

In the past, we had far less channels for news and by the time we heard about things it had been passed and parsed through multiple filters (things like the AP, UPI, REuters, etc). Now, we hear it all in real time with a complete lack of filter. As a result, nonsense comes through just as loud as the actual nuggets of useful information. But you cant just dismiss it all as noise and useless.

To make a really poor analogy, crimes against children, such as kidnapping, have been basically either at the same rate or going down since the FBI has been around to track these types of things. However, we all feel like it is happening far more often and children are in significantly greater danger than in the past. This, and people have studied this, almost totally because if a kid was snatched in ORegon, you didn’t hear about it in Florida. Now, you do. So it seems like it happens far more often. But we are simply more aware of it - whether we want to or not.

This “outrage” stuff is the same. People have always been this outraged by things, but until the internet we couldn’t hear about it 24/7/365. Does that mean you have to like it or agree with it? Hell, no. But to just wave it away and dismiss it as useless noise is to, in my small opinion, miss the forest for the trees.

SPecifically with the NFL, they react they way they do because they don’t care about they fans they have. They figure those folks aren’t going anywhere - they are already hooked on the product. What they are concerned about is making sure the next wave of fans gets hooked. In another poor analogy, kinda like how your cable company raises your rates and passes the break onto the new customers. They figure you aren’t going anywhere, but they are chasing the customer they don’t have. Everything is just a brand now.

GoSlash27
10-25-2019, 04:37 AM
Mojo, Agreed... It's a really poor analogy. The protests in Hong Kong aren't equivalent to (for example) the campaign against "manspreading". :D Also, not all moral outrage is SJW virtue- signalling or useless, but the vast majority of the useless noise is SJWs virtue- signalling.

steelreserve
10-25-2019, 10:53 AM
When you compare the things about which people were outraged in the 1950s and 1960s - or the 1850s and 1860s, or the 1750s and 1760s - to what they are outraged about today, frankly it's mostly just embarrassing. Here and there you might find something that could change the world in a positive way, but mainly you have people yelling at you about things they don't understand at all, or parroting old Vietnam-era issues pretending that they're the same or worse 50 years later, not that they've all drastically changed for the better.

In the NFL's case ... are people REALLY going to believe "The NFL supports domestic violence" or "The NFL supports sexual assault" because they don't preemptively punish people in advance of the police investigation? I mean, does anybody actually support domestic violence or sexual assault? Are these people that stupid? No, they just delight in public displays to make themselves feel good, and it's their wet dream if they can manipulate other people's actions in ways that make them feel good.

Why would you want these people as fans, they ruin everything. Or why would you want them as customers? I wouldn't. It's just not worth it.

GoSlash27
10-25-2019, 11:31 AM
Steelreserve,
It's even worse than that, unfortunately. These policies are driven by a fear of a backlash that wouldn't even happen, since the SJW types don't watch football anyway.

Hawkman
10-25-2019, 01:00 PM
We’re talking WORLD problems on a Chickillo thread?:rofl2: He should be proud

steelreserve
10-25-2019, 02:07 PM
We’re talking WORLD problems on a Chickillo thread?:rofl2: He should be proud

Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to the conversation?

Or just "Hey! Why are you guys talking about that! I dont like you talking about that!" ... "Hey, I'm back! I still don't like you guys talking about that!"

Hawkman
10-26-2019, 11:29 AM
Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to the conversation?

Or just "Hey! Why are you guys talking about that! I dont like you talking about that!" ... "Hey, I'm back! I still don't like you guys talking about that!"

You are correct, most of my posts are useless, but am I not allowed to find the humor when threads go way off the rails, or.....am I not allowed to have a certain expectation that when a thread has a new post that it might pertain to the topic? I may not have 10577 posts, but I have been here almost as long as you have, and based on a number of people’s PMs, I feel that my contributions have some merit, or at least a little humor.

Six Rings
10-26-2019, 12:40 PM
I think there is a story behind the story. First off, I'm very disappointed in Chickillo. But back the story behind the story. If the Steelers are planning to keep Dupree, and there certainly have the cap space to do so, would they really want to keep a back up special teams player who's at best the next man up in legal jeopardy? Probably not. This also means they don't think Ola Adeniyi is anything beyond a backup pass rusher. Probably weak vs. the run and in coverage.

AtlantaDan
10-30-2019, 02:38 PM
The Fayette County district attorney Wednesday dropped domestic dispute-related charges against both Steelers linebacker Anthony Chickillo and his girlfriend, a Canadian Olympic pole vaulter, that stemmed from an incident earlier this month at a Fayette County resort.

The decision came after a morning meeting behind closed doors that lasted nearly two hours and included both defendants — Mr. Chickillo and Alysha Newman — their attorneys and District Attorney Richard Bower.
Mr. Bower said the cases had been resolved.

"The two individuals involved have indicated that they obviously do not want to go forward, that they wish the best for each other," Mr. Bower told reporters outside a courtroom in Uniontown. "Additionally, they've indicated to me that they have both forgiven each other for what has happened."

:hug:


https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2019/10/30/chickillo-steelers-domestic-violence-alysha-newman-hearing/stories/201910300123

Sounds like a breakup - Chickillo can claim he needs football to mend his broken heart

HollywoodSteel
10-30-2019, 02:48 PM
The Fayette County district attorney Wednesday dropped domestic dispute-related charges against both Steelers linebacker Anthony Chickillo and his girlfriend, a Canadian Olympic pole vaulter, that stemmed from an incident earlier this month at a Fayette County resort.

The decision came after a morning meeting behind closed doors that lasted nearly two hours and included both defendants — Mr. Chickillo and Alysha Newman — their attorneys and District Attorney Richard Bower.
Mr. Bower said the cases had been resolved.

"The two individuals involved have indicated that they obviously do not want to go forward, that they wish the best for each other," Mr. Bower told reporters outside a courtroom in Uniontown. "Additionally, they've indicated to me that they have both forgiven each other for what has happened."

:hug:


https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2019/10/30/chickillo-steelers-domestic-violence-alysha-newman-hearing/stories/201910300123

Sounds like a breakup - Chickillo can claim he needs football to mend his broken heart

This will be very interesting to see what the NFL does. Don't they have to take him off the exempt list, and then decide to either suspend him or not?

I honestly don't know how this works.

If we had actually signed Tuzar Skipper this would have gotten really interesting... I mean for the fans who value Skipper above Chickillo. I think it's pretty obvious that the Steelers value Chickillo a lot more than the fans do. But as it stands, I don't think it will be a very controversial move to keep Chickillo on the active roster over Elliot.

steelreserve
10-30-2019, 05:14 PM
This will be very interesting to see what the NFL does. Don't they have to take him off the exempt list, and then decide to either suspend him or not?

I honestly don't know how this works.

If we had actually signed Tuzar Skipper this would have gotten really interesting... I mean for the fans who value Skipper above Chickillo. I think it's pretty obvious that the Steelers value Chickillo a lot more than the fans do. But as it stands, I don't think it will be a very controversial move to keep Chickillo on the active roster over Elliot.

I think that is exactly how that works. Maybe he stays on the list for the reat of the week and we have to make a decision next week, and most likely that means we keep him since we have not cut ties with him yet.

AtlantaDan
11-01-2019, 03:38 PM
Post-Gazette apparently not inclined to provide the standard sportswriter courtesy of cleaning up the grammar in a quote as Chickillo says after practice today he is sorry for the “distraction”

Steelers linebacker Anthony Chickillo apologizes for ‘distraction’ to team

“I’m grateful no charges were from the legal system,” Chickillo said. “I’m grateful for that, I’m hopeful moving forward that the NFL, they find the same things.”

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2019/11/01/anthony-chickillo-steelers-nfl-exempt-list-assault-charges-pittsburgh/stories/201911010139

FrancoLambert
11-01-2019, 03:47 PM
Post-Gazette apparently not inclined to provide the standard sportswriter courtesy of cleaning up the grammar in a quote as Chickillo says after practice today he is sorry for the “distraction”

Steelers linebacker Anthony Chickillo apologizes for ‘distraction’ to team

“I’m grateful no charges were from the legal system,” Chickillo said. “I’m grateful for that, I’m hopeful moving forward that the NFL, they find the same things.”

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2019/11/01/anthony-chickillo-steelers-nfl-exempt-list-assault-charges-pittsburgh/stories/201911010139

He writes a wee bit better than AB. But not much.

HollywoodSteel
11-01-2019, 05:26 PM
I think that is exactly how that works. Maybe he stays on the list for the reat of the week and we have to make a decision next week, and most likely that means we keep him since we have not cut ties with him yet.

Well, he was taken off the exempt list and returned to practice. I didn't read if we cut someone to put him back on the active roster. But if we cut Elliot then I'm guessing we have to give Chick a hat on Sunday. We're too thin at OLB not to.

Fire Goodell
11-01-2019, 06:36 PM
He writes a wee bit better than AB. But not much.

AB would probably say:

I dickslapped u in the face n now u got a blak eye! LOL weak azz bitch looking for a come up my baby mama sed yo broke azz was a joke! I wuz 2nd team be4 you even met me don act like ur weakazz don't know!

Shit my head hurts after typing that and I feel stupider already. Note to self don't do that again

86WARD
11-01-2019, 09:58 PM
This idiot is still on the team?

steelreserve
11-01-2019, 09:59 PM
AB would probably say:

I dickslapped u in the face n now u got a blak eye! LOL weak azz bitch looking for a come up my baby mama sed yo broke azz was a joke! I wuz 2nd team be4 you even met me don act like ur weakazz don't know!

Shit my head hurts after typing that and I feel stupider already. Note to self don't do that again

Sorry, that's a bit too coherent for AB. The last sentence has a lot of potential, but you gotta practice it some more.

tube517
11-01-2019, 10:19 PM
Can't we just put ChickFilA on the injury report and pay the fine in advance so we don't have to play him?

86WARD
11-02-2019, 05:19 PM
Cut him and Dangerfield right behind Moncrief...

silver & black
11-03-2019, 07:08 AM
When you compare the things about which people were outraged in the 1950s and 1960s - or the 1850s and 1860s, or the 1750s and 1760s - to what they are outraged about today, frankly it's mostly just embarrassing. Here and there you might find something that could change the world in a positive way, but mainly you have people yelling at you about things they don't understand at all, or parroting old Vietnam-era issues pretending that they're the same or worse 50 years later, not that they've all drastically changed for the better.

In the NFL's case ... are people REALLY going to believe "The NFL supports domestic violence" or "The NFL supports sexual assault" because they don't preemptively punish people in advance of the police investigation? I mean, does anybody actually support domestic violence or sexual assault? Are these people that stupid? No, they just delight in public displays to make themselves feel good, and it's their wet dream if they can manipulate other people's actions in ways that make them feel good.

Why would you want these people as fans, they ruin everything. Or why would you want them as customers? I wouldn't. It's just not worth it.

This post sums it it perfectly.

BnG_Hevn
11-03-2019, 07:22 AM
Scrubs are not getting any benefit of the doubt

After Harrison had his assault the Steelers released Cedrick Wilson within the next two weeks on another domestic assault allegation

Not Dan Rooney's finest moment in explaining the disparate treatment of Harrison and Wilson

I know of the incidents, they are completely different. In fact, when I say we don't condone these things, we don't, but we do have to look at the circumstances that are involved with other players and things like that, so they're not all the same."

In Mr. Harrison's case, Mr. Rooney said the player was trying to take his son to be baptized.

"What Jimmy Harrison was doing and how the incident occurred, what he was trying to do was really well worth it," he said of Mr. Harrison's initial intent with his son. "He was doing something that was good, wanted to take his son to get baptized where he lived and things like that. She said she didn't want to do it."


https://www.post-gazette.com/local/neighborhoods/2008/03/21/Rooney-s-rationale-in-abuse-cases-leads-to-criticism/stories/200803210180

Jimmy Jones said straight up that starters get better treatment. Using Aikman as an example, if a second teamer was sleeping during a meeting, he'd get cut. If Aikman was sleeping during a meeting, he'd gently tap his shoulder and ask him to wake up.

Stars / producers will ALWAYS get better treatment, as well they should.