Since apparently we need a Moncreif thread... [Archive]

AtlantaDan

09-28-2019, 09:52 AM

Any thoughts on WR Donte Moncreif?

If the choice is Moncrief, even at his best, during a lost season or a 2020 3rd round pick — well then cut him ASAP. Then scour the waiver wire and recent releases for a young WR or two.

As Mojouw states, and is discussed in the Barron is worthless thread, apparently with Fort being cut by the Eagles the Steelers for now will not receive a compensatory third round pick in the 2020 draft, even with Bell signing with the Jets, unless they balance out Fort being cut by the Eagles by cutting Moncrief before week 10

For the 2019 off-season, the Steelers lost three eligible players (Bell, James, and Fort) while they signed CB Steven Nelson (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/254482/steven-nelson) and WR Donte Moncrief (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245451/donte-moncrief)....

The Steelers had been predicted to be in line for a third-round choice because the signing of Steven Nelson (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/317545/steven-nelson) was not designated in a high enough round to cancel Le’Veon Bell. Therefore Nelson canceled the loss of Jesse James (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/256154/jesse-james) and Moncrief (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/315860/donte-moncrief) canceled the loss of L.J. Fort....

So what can the Steelers do to continue to be in line for a third-round compensatory pick? There is really only one solution: release Steve Nelson (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/255770/steven-nelson) or Donte Moncrief (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/302675/donte-moncrief) before week 10.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2019/9/28/20887922/philadelphia-eagles-release-l-j-fort-pittsburgh-steelers-no-longer-eligible-for-compensatory-pick

Without the Steelers burning draft choices off to try and keep the 2019 season afloat there was no compelling reason to not wait until after the season to decide what to do with Moncrief (who presumably was gone at that point just as the Steelers cut bait on the failed Bostic and Burnett 2018 signings).

That has now changed with Colbert dealing over the past two weeks - I say Moncrief goes before Thanksgiving given the current cost/benefit of keeping him around all season

steelreserve

09-28-2019, 09:59 AM

We kept one too many receivers this year, so we don't really "need" him.

He has 3 catches for 7 yards. Literally as many drops as yards.

Born2Steel

09-28-2019, 10:03 AM

As Mojouw states, and is discussed in the Barron is worthless thread, apparently with Fort being cut by the Eagles the Steelers for now will not receive a compensatory third round pick in the 2020 draft, even with Bell signing with the Jets, unless they balance out Fort being cut by the Eagles by cutting Moncrief before week 10

For the 2019 off-season, the Steelers lost three eligible players (Bell, James, and Fort) while they signed CB Steven Nelson (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/254482/steven-nelson) and WR Donte Moncrief (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245451/donte-moncrief)....

The Steelers had been predicted to be in line for a third-round choice because the signing of Steven Nelson (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/317545/steven-nelson) was not designated in a high enough round to cancel Le’Veon Bell. Therefore Nelson canceled the loss of Jesse James (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/256154/jesse-james) and Moncrief (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/315860/donte-moncrief) canceled the loss of L.J. Fort....

So what can the Steelers do to continue to be in line for a third-round compensatory pick? There is really only one solution: release Steve Nelson (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/255770/steven-nelson) or Donte Moncrief (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/302675/donte-moncrief) before week 10.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2019/9/28/20887922/philadelphia-eagles-release-l-j-fort-pittsburgh-steelers-no-longer-eligible-for-compensatory-pick

Without the Steelers burning draft choices off to try and keep the 2019 season afloat there was no compelling reason to not wait until after the season to decide what to do with Moncrief (who presumably was gone at that point just as the Steelers cut bait on the failed Bostic and Burnett 2018 signings).

That has now changed with Colbert dealing over the past two weeks - I say Moncrief goes before Thanksgiving given the current cost/benefit of keeping him around all season

Is cutting Moncreif now essentially trading him for a 3rd round comp draft pick?

cubanstogie

09-28-2019, 10:11 AM

no brainer after reading article on compensatory picks. It was actually a no brainer after week 2, get rid of him. 3 round pick next year more valuable than WR with brick hands. I really do like the fact that the Steelers have brought FA's in the last few years where they had holes and weakness, the law of averages says one of them should have panned out, unfortunately Bostic, Burnett, Moncrief , and Barron have all been busts. I will say atleast there contracts were meant for cut and running which is what I hope they do.

AtlantaDan

09-28-2019, 10:14 AM

Is cutting Moncreif now essentially trading him for a 3rd round comp draft pick?

Assuming the linked article is accurate pretty much. I suppose there is an additional potential downside to releasing him before the end of the season in the event Moncrief might get out of Tomlin's dog house and be a productive WR after that in meaningful games.

Since there is no need to release him now and the season is not officially toast until the Steelers lose either the Bengals or Ravens home game over the next two weeks presumably no need to do anything before Halloween. But if Moncrief is not active the next two weeks, why wait even if the Steelers are 2-3 at that point :noidea:

86WARD

09-28-2019, 10:15 AM

I play him a couple weeks, see if things turn around, see if Fort gets re-signed and if he doesn’t improve, then let him go. No need to panic...there’s plenty of time. Worst would be if the Steelers cut him and the Eagles re-sign Fort and add Moncrief.

DesertSteel

09-28-2019, 10:33 AM

Can we bring back Sammie Coates?

pczach

09-28-2019, 10:41 AM

Can we bring back Sammie Coates?

He's available. I think the Chiefs cut him and nobody picked him up. :D

DesertSteel

09-28-2019, 10:52 AM

He's available. I think the Chiefs cut him and nobody picked him up. :D

Let's cut Coates' fingers off and implant them on Moncreif and maybe between the 20, there will be 10 fingers that work well enough to catch a ball.

steelreserve

09-28-2019, 11:01 AM

Is cutting Moncreif now essentially trading him for a 3rd round comp draft pick?

No, it's a black box and who knows what you'll get. You might get a fifth-round pick, you might get nothing.

Any time someone argues, "We should do X because we'll get a third-round comp pick" or "We shouldn't do Y because then we won't get a third-round comp pick," you can immediately ignore it because nobody has any clue what you'll actually get. It's just wishful thinking to throw out there as a free extra bargaining point for whatever position you happen to hold.

Like, if I understand even remotely how the system is supposed to work IN THEORY, you get a third-round pick for a superstar who signs a giant contract somewhere else. If everything is in balance now, or maybe we're getting a Mr. irrelevant pick, Moncrief's salary is not going to make the jump all the way from nothing to a 3rd. Moncrief and Barron together, maybe you get close. Or maybe you still get nothing.

I would dump both those players ASAP because they're hot garbage, but the comp pick should never be a consideration. NO certainty, can be changed by unrelated transactions, and it's not that great of a payoff anyway. About the only thing that's certain every year is that most teams get everything consolidated into one comp pick, maybe two, and the Patriots get it all spread out into like four 5th and 6th-round picks for some reason.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue

09-28-2019, 11:59 AM

Let's cut Coates' fingers off and implant them on Moncreif and maybe between the 20, there will be 10 fingers that work well enough to catch a ball. Maybe we can try this with Burns too so that he can cover better.
http://www.scifi-movies.com/images/contenu/data/0000440/image1.jpg

pczach

09-28-2019, 12:29 PM

Let's cut Coates' fingers off and implant them on Moncreif and maybe between the 20, there will be 10 fingers that work well enough to catch a ball.

Frankenstein's monster wide receiver!

tube517

09-28-2019, 12:30 PM

Let's cut Coates' fingers off and implant them on Moncreif and maybe between the 20, there will be 10 fingers that work well enough to catch a ball.

Yeah but you're just replacing crooked fingers w/more crooked fingers!

Rotorhead

09-28-2019, 12:31 PM

Bottom line is, he is a Vet WR that has more drops than total yards after 3 games. He is not our #2 (or top 5 at this point). There is no need for him at this point. Maybe it’s his broken fingers, maybe not. He was never all that good in Jax, but I hoped it was because he never had a QB. Obviously it had to do with him also.

Born2Steel

09-28-2019, 12:52 PM

No, it's a black box and who knows what you'll get. You might get a fifth-round pick, you might get nothing.

Any time someone argues, "We should do X because we'll get a third-round comp pick" or "We shouldn't do Y because then we won't get a third-round comp pick," you can immediately ignore it because nobody has any clue what you'll actually get. It's just wishful thinking to throw out there as a free extra bargaining point for whatever position you happen to hold.

Like, if I understand even remotely how the system is supposed to work IN THEORY, you get a third-round pick for a superstar who signs a giant contract somewhere else. If everything is in balance now, or maybe we're getting a Mr. irrelevant pick, Moncrief's salary is not going to make the jump all the way from nothing to a 3rd. Moncrief and Barron together, maybe you get close. Or maybe you still get nothing.

I would dump both those players ASAP because they're hot garbage, but the comp pick should never be a consideration. NO certainty, can be changed by unrelated transactions, and it's not that great of a payoff anyway. About the only thing that's certain every year is that most teams get everything consolidated into one comp pick, maybe two, and the Patriots get it all spread out into like four 5th and 6th-round picks for some reason.

BUT......but the internet says all we have to do is cut Moncreif before week 10 and that would put us in line for a 3rd round comp pick. What I don't get is why does Fort, Moncrief, or any other player and what they are doing this season have anything to do with where Bell's comp pick lands. Seems if I really wanted to do nothing but screw over another team would be to sign all of their cuts and FAs and then cut them myself midseason so they get zero comp picks for them. If we cut Burns(1st round pick) and nobody signs him, there is no comp pick for that? That explains a lot actually.

pepsyman1

09-28-2019, 01:21 PM

Thoughts? Are you kidding? I would have cut him from the roster 2 weeks ago. That would be addition by subtraction. Receivers that drop more passes than they catch aren't going to suddenly become Jerry Rice

Butch

09-28-2019, 02:03 PM

Cut Moncrief and sign DeMarcus Ayers. He was last playing with the San Antonio Commanders and as far as I know still a free agent. Thoughts?

86WARD

09-28-2019, 02:54 PM

Cut Moncrief and bring back AB!!!!

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue

09-28-2019, 04:34 PM

Cut Moncrief and bring back AB!!!! Cut Fichtner and bring back Todd.

86WARD

09-28-2019, 07:25 PM

Cut Fichtner and bring back Todd.

BOTH!!! I’m all in!! Haley is a fan of Rudolph from what he has said on the radio! Let’s get it done...then AB can take it to mayfield!!

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue

09-28-2019, 07:50 PM

BOTH!!! I’m all in!! Haley is a fan of Rudolph from what he has said on the radio! Let’s get it done...then AB can take it to mayfield!! If they did bring Haley back Ben would retire the next day. I'm cool with that though and we are not winning another SB with Ben.

Six Rings

09-29-2019, 05:43 AM

Any thoughts on WR Donte Moncreif?

If the Steeler cut him they get a 3rd round comp pick for Bell. If they don't its a 4-5th round comp pick.

stillers4me

09-29-2019, 08:25 AM

PSA of the day.......and gentle, loving reminder. :heh:

No, we don't need a "thread for any thing and everything involving this player" type of posting system. Not going to happen.

This thread is fun and games but anything involving this player and a real new story line gets a new thread and the old thread dies in cyber space.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F71%2Fe7%2Fa d%2F71e7ad1fc7d5cd6d7404d3f19a4a1222--clean-memes-funny-clean.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Except for AB....keep that shit bundled. :party:

Carry on......:rockon:

teegre

09-29-2019, 09:58 AM

Born2Steel

09-29-2019, 10:30 AM

The guy listed on that tweet above is pretty credible/extremely accurate.

So, expect Moncrief to be cut (at the latest by Week 10).

SIDE-NOTE: Diontae Spencer had a nice punt return last week. :doh:

Speaking of the Broncos, they are having a lot of the same woes the Steelers are. I wonder what the Steelers may have to trade for Fumagalli. Maybe deep ball Moncrief to pair with moon ball Joe? He doesn't have to catch it just make sure there is contact. Could this be a good value with Hargrave's expiring contract? Broncos have zero or very few QB sacks on the season through 3 games. Try to get something for these guys that will not be back. Davis, Burns, Barron, Hargrave, Dupree, Moncrief, etc.

steel striker

09-30-2019, 01:36 PM

Cut stone hands and, bring Eli Rogers back.

Method28

09-30-2019, 03:18 PM

Speaking of the Broncos, they are having a lot of the same woes the Steelers are. I wonder what the Steelers may have to trade for Fumagalli. Maybe deep ball Moncrief to pair with moon ball Joe? He doesn't have to catch it just make sure there is contact. Could this be a good value with Hargrave's expiring contract? Broncos have zero or very few QB sacks on the season through 3 games. Try to get something for these guys that will not be back. Davis, Burns, Barron, Hargrave, Dupree, Moncrief, etc.Go all in! Trade our 2021 1st for Von Miller!

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Born2Steel

09-30-2019, 04:10 PM

Go all in! Trade our 2021 1st for Von Miller!

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I don’t think you’re serious anyway. Miller is one of those ‘Broncos Legends’. No way they ever just trade him.

Method28

09-30-2019, 05:08 PM

HollywoodSteel

09-30-2019, 06:19 PM

Lol no not serious. While I would love to see Von in a Steelers uniform, I'd prefer three team to stockpile 2021 picks. With it being the Trevor Lawrence draft and all. More draft capital we have there the better.

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There’s absolutely no way we’ll be bad enough next year to be in the running for Lawrence.

But given how straight up obviously the Dolphins are tanking this year (I have to assume it’s for Tua at this point) the 2020 season should be really interesting to see if multiple teams adopt that strategy for the greatest QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

If I were to try and predict which teams are most likely to be in the Lawrence lottery it would be the Bengals and Lions. Maybe the Bucs?

Anyone else care to guess? I’m sure we’ll all remember to re-examine this thread (that has absolutely nothing to do with that topic) when the time comes. ;)

Method28

09-30-2019, 06:49 PM

There’s absolutely no way we’ll be bad enough next year to be in the running for Lawrence.

But given how straight up obviously the Dolphins are tanking this year (I have to assume it’s for Tua at this point) the 2020 season should be really interesting to see if multiple teams adopt that strategy for the greatest QB prospect since Andrew Luck.

If I were to try and predict which teams are most likely to be in the Lawrence lottery it would be the Bengals and Lions. Maybe the Bucs?

Anyone else care to guess? I’m sure we’ll all remember to re-examine this thread (that has absolutely nothing to do with that topic) when the time comes. ;)While I dont think we'll be in the bottom half of the league next year, I feel any draft capital holds more value in that class. We could ship out some of these guys (Dupree/Hargrave?) and pick up some 2021 picks. Use those picks to either move up yourself, or to sell them to a team like the Jags, Broncos etc who may wanna load up on draft ammo for a move at Lawrence. Could potentially pick up some top talent at a discount.

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86WARD

09-30-2019, 06:57 PM

He’s dressed and in warmups...

86WARD

09-30-2019, 08:40 PM

The Eagles traded for a LB today...may be safe to say they aren’t signing Fort?

hawaiiansteeler

03-18-2020, 11:40 PM

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pczach

03-19-2020, 05:52 AM

Six Rings

03-19-2020, 06:35 AM

The Steelers have not done a good job brining in free agents recently. Moncrief, and Barron for example. We aren't good at keeping our guys either.

The team needs a good draft.

86WARD

03-19-2020, 08:39 AM

The Steelers have not done a good job brining in free agents recently. Moncrief, and Barron for example. We aren't good at keeping our guys either.

The team needs a good draft.

Joe Haden? Steven Nelson?

EzraTank

03-19-2020, 09:32 AM

Barron at least got a little better but Moncrief was a disaster from the start.

El-Gonzo Jackson

03-19-2020, 10:34 AM

Joe Haden? Steven Nelson? AluAlu?

All blasphemy, we must stick to pointing out the negative aspects of the 2nd most winningest NFL franchise in the past 10-15 years.

steelreserve

03-19-2020, 11:19 AM

mere fan

pczach

03-19-2020, 01:33 PM

Joe Haden? Steven Nelson?

Don't forget Minkah!

How about those secondary acquisitions??!!

The negative narrative is silly. Nobody hits on all their free agent pickups.

86WARD

03-19-2020, 02:10 PM

Don't forget Minkah!

How about those secondary acquisitions??!!

The negative narrative is silly. Nobody hits on all their free agent pickups.

You mean Belichick didn’t hit with Chad Johnson, Gordon, AB? You’re crazy...

Six Rings

03-19-2020, 05:43 PM

Joe Haden? Steven Nelson?

Nelson was a good point. Haden came here via trade, not free agency.

Wasn't it obvious the neither Moncrief or Barron could play based on what they did the season before and how little their old teams wanted them back? The Steelers spent a lot of money on these two and probably had to deal with " dead money " when they were cut. The Moncrief move to me says the Steelers had little faith in Washington. And don't even get me started on Green. The dude duped the Steelers. He was hurt, and our medical staff should have red flagged that move.

I have no issued trading for good player like Haden or Fitz, and applauded both moves. Nelson was solid, which is to say 5X better than Burns. With our pass rush it must be a lot of fun to be a DB.

teegre

03-19-2020, 06:18 PM

Donnell Woolford was average at best.

tube517

03-19-2020, 06:21 PM

You mean Belichick didn’t hit with Chad Johnson, Gordon, AB? You’re crazy...

Haynesworth, Adalius Thomas, Deltha O'neal, Leigh Bodden.

Mojouw

03-19-2020, 06:29 PM

Players available in free agency are available for a reason. Often that reason is the player isn't viewed as being that good.

Barron was an acceptable one year stop gap. That's all he was intended to be. Moncrief was a disaster. Together they count $5 million on this year's cap.

This is clear evidence of mismanagement and everyone should be fired.

I'd also like to know what the super duper hindsight plan would be if you don't sign Barron and then Denver doesn't trade down. Who plays LB then? VW and your imaginary friend?

teegre

03-19-2020, 06:35 PM

btw: Steven Nelson’s play was on par (and in some cases better) that the All-Pros and Pro Bowlers. As in: it was a freakin’ home run. Saying it was merely a “good” free agent signing is akin to saying that Hines Ward was merely a “good” receiver.

Then, with the leftover change, they signed a couple of stop-gap/depth players at WR and a LB.

But, yea... let’s gloss over the Nelson signing. :jerkit:

pczach

03-19-2020, 08:17 PM

You mean Belichick didn’t hit with Chad Johnson, Gordon, AB? You're crazy...

Mere mortals like us can't grasp the genius moves that Belichick conceives, and the way he thinks in multiple dimensions above everyone else.

As far as the me being crazy.....guilty as charged!

hawaiiansteeler

03-19-2020, 09:36 PM

Nelson was a good point. Haden came here via trade, not free agency.

once again you show your lack of Steelers' football knowledge, the Browns released Joe Haden and we signed him as a free agent.

https://www.steelers.com/news/free-agents-who-made-a-difference

86WARD

03-20-2020, 01:25 PM

Nelson was a good point. Haden came here via trade, not free agency.

Wasn't it obvious the neither Moncrief or Barron could play based on what they did the season before and how little their old teams wanted them back? The Steelers spent a lot of money on these two and probably had to deal with " dead money " when they were cut. The Moncrief move to me says the Steelers had little faith in Washington. And don't even get me started on Green. The dude duped the Steelers. He was hurt, and our medical staff should have red flagged that move.

I have no issued trading for good player like Haden or Fitz, and applauded both moves. Nelson was solid, which is to say 5X better than Burns. With our pass rush it must be a lot of fun to be a DB.

Haden was released by Cleveland.

Of course there’s dead money. All teams have it. But between the two, it’s less than $5M and they are on the hook for less than $9M. Take the genius in NE...they are on the hook for $21.5M in dead space. Take the Eagles, as well, who I would say is one of the better roster management teams out there...they are on the hook for $15M. So the “dead money” really isn’t that terrible.