Goats vs Niners

[Edman]

Coaching (not shocking) and James Conner are the goats.

Since 2016, teams have not won turning the ball over four or more times. The 49ers won despite five turnovers. The Steelers only manage 6 points off of four turnovers from the 49ers.

Shackle Rudolph with a bullshit conservative offense until a deficit happens. Fichtner threw him into tough positions all day. He’s a horrible garbage coordinator. Huge Props to Rudolph for stepping up in the second half.

Defense is improved a little, but still not there.

James Conner was the death blow for this game.

0-3. A complete coaching fubar typical of Mike Tomlin and crew.

[Rollers]

Couldn't agree more but Barron sucks as well. All day and especially the penalty at the end.

Connor sucks big-time. Fumbler, the NFL knows it and they go for the ball when he is in.

[The Bark]

Fichtner. Play-calling early on was abysmal and way too conservative. Getting the ball that many times in the opponent's backyard on turnovers and coming up with only field goals was a harbinger of defeat.

[GoSlash27]

Game balls: TJ Watt and Minkah Fitzpatrick. Goat: James Conner. Dude's been coughing up the ball in critical situations for years now. He still hasn't learned.

A hard- fought game. The D started on fire and got gassed. The O started nowhere and developed over the course of the game.

[JayC]

49ers tried to give us this game 5 times and james connor decided to give it back

[Dwinsgames]

Coaching (not shocking) and James Conner are the goats.

Since 2016, teams have not won turning the ball over four or more times. The 49ers won despite five turnovers. The Steelers only manage 6 points off of four turnovers.

Shackle Rudolph until a deficit happens. Fichtner threw him into tough positions all day. He’s garbage. Huge Props to Rudolph for stepping up in the second half.

Defense is improved a little, but still not there.

James Conner was the death blow for this game.

0-3. A complete coaching fubar typical of Mike Tomlin and crew.

Lets not forget the deplorable O Line play for most of the game ...

this team is missing Mike Munchak in the worst kind of way

[Mojouw]

The OT's got owned all day. AV and Feiler owe Rudolph an apology. Bosa and Buckner just worked those two all day.

Barron for his continued patented run around in a looping path to some random spot on the field and look around and wonder why the other team isn't punting.

[Neversatisfied]

1. The run defense is garage
2. The Steelers coaching is non-existent
3. The Steelers have NO run game...none
4. The the Secondary is 3 players short of being good

[Steeldude]

Goats: Tomlin. Rah-rah fans making excuses to protect Tomlin.

Heroes: Watt, Schuster, Diontae Johnson

[86WARD]

Game Balls - Defense (Minkah, Watt, Tuitt)

Goat - Coaches, O-Line, Receivers - stopping on routes, dropping passes, not getting open.

Conner’s fumble had very little to do with the loss in the big picture. Sure it’s st the worst time and makes for an easy goat but If the O-Line does their job, that game is a blowout in favor of the Steelers...

[Mojouw]

Not much the play-calling could have changed. Rudolph either didn't have time or locked onto his first read all day. His head never moved, except to escape the pass rush!

Rudolph has some good tools but is a LONG way from credibly threatening a good NFL defense.

[BlackAndGold]

Barron is one of the worst players I've seen.

[Rollers]

Bottom line Connor holds on to the ball we win. His fumble sealed it for us. That and Barron's penalty. But this is all on Connor, no doubt.

[Iron Steeler]

Goats: playcalling on offense.
James Conner fumble.
Baron penalty on 3 and 17 giving them new set of downs.

Heroes.
minka Fitzpatrick
TJ Watt
Devin Bush

honorable mention Mason Rudolph, I think he has the goods to be a starter in the NFL, the ability to call his own plays are not here yet so he will have to make work what ever play comes from the sideline. He played very well after that INT. I wish conner didn't pop the ball out because I felt we were about to ice the game.

[BlackAndGold]

I know he beat cancer and stuff, but Conner has not been impressive since midseason last year.

[86WARD]

I know he beat cancer and stuff, but Conner has not been impressive since midseason last year.

But Bell only averaged 3.5 YPC...

[Edman]

Not much the play-calling could have changed. Rudolph either didn't have time or locked onto his first read all day. His head never moved, except to escape the pass rush!

Rudolph has some good tools but is a LONG way from credibly threatening a good NFL defense.

I don't know. He looked pretty good when he was allowed to throw longer than five yards.

[vader29]

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[Mojouw]

I don't know. He looked pretty good when he was allowed to throw longer than five yards.

We can talk more about this when some film breakdowns hit the internet this upcoming week. But Rudolph only looked good when the following things happened:

1. Steelers went into shotgun and spread the 49'ers out. Forced the 49'ers into man coverage with little deep safety help.
2. Rudolph could then hit his first read on the fly and lead him to open grass. This, to me, is what it looked like happened on the Juju and DJ touchdowns.

Rudolph looked like a deer in headlights when any of this happened:
1. His first read was covered. He barely moved his head all game. I hope his eyes were moving, but he looked like a one read and "oh crap' QB all day.
2. He was almost totally hesitant to throw into any small windows. The one time he did, he got picked.
3. If his first read was not open, he looked hesitant and indecisive. Not surprising he is a rookie QB.

Rudolph showed some positives. But he also looked like exactly what he is - a shotgun spread rookie QB experiencing growing pains moving to the NFL.

[fansince'76]

But Bell only averaged 3.5 YPC...

1.9 YPC on 18 carries today.

EDIT: Oh, and a year's suspension the next time he gets nailed for weed. Think the "aspiring rapper" gave that up? Yeah, me neither.

[Mojouw]

big ol' smelly goat: 3rd down defense and offense.

[pczach]

I don't know. He looked pretty good when he was allowed to throw longer than five yards.


Do you understand that there is a progression on every play for a quarterback to follow? The OC isn't necessarily having every play call have a one yard pass pattern as the first read.

I agree that the play calling felt conservative early, but we don't really know for certain what the first read was on many of those passes. He also didn't have time to go through his progressions far too often. This isn't an indictment on Rudolph. It's his first NFL start. I'm not going to beat the guy up. Let's see how he reacts and how he progresses.

The offensive line has been touted as a powerful force for several years now, but they don't live up to the billing. The OL stunk today...period. They have for most of this year.

For the record, they underachieved while Munchak was still coaching here. They haven't been able to get a yard in the running game when it matters for years now.

James Connor can't fumble there. He has a history of fumbling in big moments. He needs to address that going forward.

[Mojouw]

Do you understand that there is a progression on every play for a quarterback to follow? The OC isn't necessarily having every play call have a one yard pass pattern as the first read.

I agree that the play calling felt conservative early, but we don't really know for certain what the first read was on many of those passes. He also didn't have time to go through his progressions far too often. This isn't an indictment on Rudolph. It's his first NFL start. I'm not going to beat the guy up. Let's see how he reacts and how he progresses.

The offensive line has been touted as a powerful force for several years now, but they don't live up to the billing. The OL stunk today...period. They have for most of this year.

For the record, they underachieved while Munchak was still coaching here. They haven't been able to get a yard in the running game when it matters for years now.

James Connor can't fumble there. He has a history of fumbling in big moments. He needs to address that going forward.

I will totally back off this statement if and when more information comes out, but Rudolph I don't think went beyond a second read all day. If his first read wasn't really open, he didn't really have a plan. Which is totally typical rookie QB stuff.

Rookie QBs can make coaches look really bad. I think too many on the Steelers focused internet got way out over their skis on the "Rudolph will actually be better because of x" narrative. He looked like a hesitant and uncertain first time QB against a pass rush that beat his o-line like a drum all day.

[Passhappy]

:clap2:
Lets not forget the deplorable O Line play for most of the game ...

this team is missing Mike Munchak in the worst kind of way

[Edman]

Rookie QBs can make coaches look really bad. I think too many on the Steelers focused internet got way out over their skis on the "Rudolph will actually be better because of x" narrative. He looked like a hesitant and uncertain first time QB against a pass rush that beat his o-line like a drum all day.

And the excuses for the coaching staff just roll on in...

[Shoes]

Goat- Ben for calling the plays from his easy chair and relaying them to Fichtner. :chuckle:

[AtlantaDan]

.Rudolph showed some positives. But he also looked like exactly what he is - a shotgun spread rookie QB experiencing growing pains moving to the NFL.

Who since he was drafted did not get reps in practice as the third string QB during the regular season last season and has not benefited from having a QB coach since the Steelers decided that was unnecessary once Fichtner was promoted to OC

But he played about as I expected - some glimmers of hope but not someone who clearly will be a franchise QB based on a very limited body of work - hopefully we will have a better idea with his play in the next three months assuming he avoids missing significant time due to injury

Goats were Conner, the OL (which had problems with run blocking last year even with Munchak coaching them up), and Barron

Watt and Fitzpatrick looked like two players for the defense to build on as the DL has disappointed this season

[Mojouw]

And the excuses for the coaching staff just roll on in...

So how is an opinion based statement on what I believe I saw for the entire afternoon an excuse for the coaching staff?

Both OT's got worked and the QB couldn't get the ball out on time consistently. That is a thing that happened.

[pczach]

I will totally back off this statement if and when more information comes out, but Rudolph I don't think went beyond a second read all day. If his first read wasn't really open, he didn't really have a plan. Which is totally typical rookie QB stuff.

Rookie QBs can make coaches look really bad. I think too many on the Steelers focused internet got way out over their skis on the "Rudolph will actually be better because of x" narrative. He looked like a hesitant and uncertain first time QB against a pass rush that beat his o-line like a drum all day.


I just don't want to crush a young guy starting his first NFL game. I think he missed some throws and took checkdowns sooner than you would like, but his supporting cast has to help him more.

I agree with you about people getting giddy a little too quickly about Rudolph. We still don't know that much yet.

Patience has limited availability at fan message boards. :chuckle:

Far too many here are willing to start shoveling dirt on Big Ben. It's very premature IMO.

[Mojouw]

I just don't want to crush a young guy starting his first NFL game. I think he missed some throws and took checkdowns sooner than you would like, but his supporting cast has to help him more.

I agree with you about people getting giddy a little too quickly about Rudolph. We still don't know that much yet.

Patience has limited availability at fan message boards. :chuckle:

Far too many here are willing to start shoveling dirt on Big Ben. It's very premature IMO.

I was and am pleased with the game today. I didn't think they would even be able to keep it close. The defense still makes mistakes, but they played fast and attacked the ball all day long. Nelson almost got a pick to seal the game.

The offense was also better than I thought.

The only truly disappointing part was Feiler and AV getting beat so frequently. Maybe Bosa and Buckner are just that good? I don't know.

[pczach]

Goat- Ben for calling the plays from his easy chair and relaying them to Fichtner. :chuckle:


Ben's "caddy" handed Mason the wrong club all day long.:sofunny:

[Fire Goodell]

Now let me start off by saying this, do not blame that game on the defense, okay? I don't care who you play, whether it's a high school team, a junior college team, a college team, MUCH less an NFL team, when you force 5 turnovers, 3 in field position to set up touchdowns, and only score 6 points, you aint gonna beat anybody i just talked about, anybody. Alright? And that was a disgraceful performance, in my opinon. We threw that game, we gave it away, by doing that. We gave them the freakin game, in my opinion that sucked. You know, you can't not capitalize on turnovers like that. Holy crap, I don't know the hell we think we are, when we do something like that. 5 turnovers, we lost with a +4 turnover differential, that might be an NFL record! That's pitiful, absolutely pitiful to perform like that, pitiful. :chuckle:

[Fire Goodell]

I think we might possibly have the worst D-Coordinator and O-Coordinator in the NFL. If there's any positive from this season is that our coaching staff gets exposed and heads will finally roll.

The score was a lot closer than it should have been, SF did everything they possibly could to give us the game, this should have been a blowout loss.

[st33lersguy]

The entire was bad, it was just close because the 49ers desperately tried to hand them the game on a silver platter, the Steelers just gave it right back to them. Honestly this was a piss poor game of football from both team. The 49ers played down to the Steelers competition Tomlin-style, Tomlin just out-Tomlined them

[Dwinsgames]

they beat us because we are not a good football team in any aspect of the game ....

our Offense has zero identity ,

hell Samuels never had a touch the entire game ! ( but snell got 3 carries for 6 yards )

James Washington just 4 targets

Vance 2 Targets hell Grimble had 2 ....

who is to blame the QB who is not getting past his second read or the coordinator for not putting him in a better pos to succeed with play calling ?
I have my thoughts on that but does it matter ???

the defense is a bend do not break def that sadly at the worst possible times breaks

some games its nearly every drive ( see week 1 )

we have really good players Tuitt is a beast , Bush is excelling early , Minkah has already paid dividends , Haden still plays well , nelson has been pretty decent ..

so there are players at every level playing well yet as a team they are not playing well ... who takes the blame for that ??? ( BUTLER should ) but he won't

[Shoes]

Goats- Bell, Brown & Steelers. All losers, pretty darn sad. :lol:

[86WARD]

1.9 YPC on 18 carries today.

EDIT: Oh, and a year's suspension the next time he gets nailed for weed. Think the "aspiring rapper" gave that up? Yeah, me neither.

By that logic Conner may be averaging .7 YPC behind that Jets O-Line...

[86WARD]

I just don't want to crush a young guy starting his first NFL game. I think he missed some throws and took checkdowns sooner than you would like, but his supporting cast has to help him more.

I agree with you about people getting giddy a little too quickly about Rudolph. We still don't know that much yet.

Patience has limited availability at fan message boards. :chuckle:

Far too many here are willing to start shoveling dirt on Big Ben. It's very premature IMO.

It’s not easy when the pocket is collapsing around you most of the day...

[Steeler-in-west]

Sounds like we were missing VW. And the running game has sucked since Munchak and AB (who took the passing game with him) left. Still have to look at the coaches with a critical eye for poor prep specially on offense and allowing costly penalties.

Couldn’t win the game with 5 turnovers....bad sign

[Rotorhead]

Goats were the offense (OL , WRs and RBs) not playing their best games to help out what amounts to be a rookie QB. Coaches also, but we almost all knew we wouldn’t have a gameplan that would be beneficial for them.

[Lamberts_Lunatic]

I thought, especially when you consider he was only signed last week, Fitzpatrick played like like his hair was on fire. I gotta a feeling about this guy. I think he's gonna be really, really good. I'm talkin like Polamalu good. I definitely feel like he defended every single blade of grass. This was a great move by the front office.

Hate to say this, but the James Conner experiment should be terminated. He'd make a great back up, but at this point he doesn't seem to have the skills necessary the carry the team....and no excuses either. (but it doesn't look like the guy he replaced did much better and he's makin millions....hahahahahaha). He reminds me ..a lot... of Redman. At this point maybe if he bulked up and the team went back to the power running game ala Bettis and Roethlisberger in his first couple of years it might work. But that's not todays NFL and Conner is no Bettis. Perhaps he should move on with his life's work.

I"m gonna reserve comment on Rudolph for a game or two. I really wanna go back and watch a few things he did.

Lamberts Lunatic

"Quarterbacks should wear dresses".

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Even if Connor doesnt fumble the ball, there is no guarantee that the Steelers move the chains on the next 2 downs. I put that on a bad playcall to start with, as why would you pull 2 O linemen to the short side of the field vs 8 men in the box? IMO, just better to insert Banner as the 6th O lineman and go straight ahead, or if he wants to pull O linemen, do it to the wide side on the left. Had Connor running east-west into a phone booth on the short side. Dumb call IMO.

I still think they had a good chance to get a couple more 1st downs and eat up clock to the 2 minute warning and maybe punt. Shannahan outcoached himself running a jet action, pre snap that caused the last fumble that Watt recovered. Steeler have to be smart about getting at least a few first downs, if not points and putting that game away.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Barron for his continued patented run around in a looping path to some random spot on the field and look around and wonder why the other team isn't punting.

I said earlier in the preseason that Barron wasn't a fast guy coming out of college as a SS. He put on 15 pounds and plays more of a nickel LB, so the notion that he was going to be some kind of great cover LB is a bit misguided IMO. He was there as veteran insurance in case the Steelers didn't get somebody like Bush in the draft, as they couldn't go on with Bostic again.

IMO, the Steelers are better with Vince and Bush at ILB. Then on dime, bring in another safety to play next to Bush.

[Mojouw]

I said earlier in the preseason that Barron wasn't a fast guy coming out of college as a SS. He put on 15 pounds and plays more of a nickel LB, so the notion that he was going to be some kind of great cover LB is a bit misguided IMO. He was there as veteran insurance in case the Steelers didn't get somebody like Bush in the draft, as they couldn't go on with Bostic again.

IMO, the Steelers are better with Vince and Bush at ILB. Then on dime, bring in another safety to play next to Bush.

I could get behind that idea. Kelly might actually be really good in that "dimebacker" role.

[steel striker]

The o-line was real bad the first half and, they can't run the ball at all. The play calling was real bad like many have mentioned really put Mason in a tough spot. Then I don't understand we have the ball back with six minutes left run Conner trice he fumbles. This is after the Passing game hit on a few plays in the second bad play calling and, they have not run the with ball worth a lick all day. I would have rather seen what Mason could have done and, if he would have threw a INT so be it.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

The o-line was real bad the first half and, they can't run the ball at all. The play calling was real bad like many have mentioned really put Mason in a tough spot. Then I don't understand we have the ball back with six minutes left run Conner trice he fumbles. This is after the Passing game hit on a few plays in the second bad play calling and, they have not run the with ball worth a lick all day. I would have rather seen what Mason could have done and, if he would have threw a INT so be it.

They got a first down on the first 2 runs and burned a minute off the clock. If they Run-run-pass the next 3 plays they eat another 1:30 off the clock and there is 3:30 left after the punt. If they got another first down, then Steelers could possibly take it to the 2 minute warning and punt.

I have no problem with running Conner, but IMO they should run him North-South and not East-West like the play he fumbled. Even put Samuels in there for a change to let him run and then go play action.