Steelers promote Holton, release Skipper

[polamalubeast]

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I can't believe...

[Fire Goodell]

Probably means Ola is ready to go

[Edman]

Swapping places.

[steelreserve]

Well that looks pretty stupid, unless they sign Skipper right back to the practice squad.

[SteeleReign]

Probably because the Raiders started sniffing around Holton.

I'm sure Skipper will make it back to the PS.

No big deal.

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[Craic]

Maybe the Steelers will trade Holton to the Raiders? :chuckle:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Maybe the Steelers will trade Holton to the Raiders? :chuckle:

for a 3rd and a 5th?

[Mojouw]

LIke others have said - I bet they just swap places. This close to Sunday no one is going to open a spot on the 53 for SKipper.

[steelreserve]

LIke others have said - I bet they just swap places. This close to Sunday no one is going to open a spot on the 53 for SKipper.

Raiders just opened a roster spot

[86WARD]

Patriots get Brown, Steelers got Holton!!

[Born2Steel]

Maybe this move has been in the plans since game prep started? Maybe it has nothing to do with AB? Steelers still have 4 OLBs to suit up and now have 6 WRs. Maybe?

[GoSlash27]

"AB signed a deal with New England"
Me: "Sucks to be them." :coffee:
"Tuzar Skipper just got waived"
Me::wtf::mad2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKZTeWQdrPY
/seriously not happy about this

[Mojouw]

"AB signed a deal with New England"
Me: "Sucks to be them." :coffee:
"Tuzar Skipper just got waived"
Me::wtf::mad2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKZTeWQdrPY
/seriously not happy about this

He will be on the practice squad next week. Almost a sure thing.

[st33lersguy]

You don't risk putting a guy who balled out in preseason being claimed by other teams by cutting him.

[tube517]

Giants waived Tupac.

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Steeler fans about to blow up Twitter lol

[Fire Goodell]

Bring him back, we likely need OLB depth since Chickillo is likely gone

[tube517]

Steelers are #9 in priority for waiver claim.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Steelers are #9 in priority for waiver claim. Which translates to he will be a Bengal.

[Edman]

Cut Chickillo. Bring back Skipper.

[GoSlash27]

Cut Chickillo. Bring back Skipper.

Hell yeah! I want Skipper back!

[HollywoodSteel]

Whatever happened to Matthew Thomas? Or is he yesterday’s flavor?

But kidding aside I’d love to have Tupac back as well. But is there any reason to believe the Steelers organization has somehow changed their mind about him now?

Even if he does drop to us, what are the odds that this will suddenly be a priority for us?

[GoSlash27]

Whatever happened to Matthew Thomas? Or is he yesterday’s flavor?

But kidding aside I’d love to have Tupac back as well. But is there any reason to believe the Steelers organization has somehow changed their mind about him now?

Even if he does drop to us, what are the odds that this will suddenly be a priority for us?

TJ Watt has an abdominal injury and is limited this week. Chickillo has legal problems and isn't allowed in the facility. We have no depth at ROLB. In fact... Technically, we have nobody at ROLB at the moment...

Plus, Chickillo is a ST specialist and we need someone to fill that role. Skipper has shown that he can do that as well. It's a no- brainer to me that we have a need and Skipper is the perfect fit.

[vader29]

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[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Yeah, Matthew Thomas showed some speed in unsuccessfully running down a player on a TD in the preseason and fans were thinking he was the next great LB with speed. :rofl: That was a good one.

I agree, it would be OK to get Skipper back and maybe its the practice squad, since he didnt do anything much in New York to the point that he is the 54th best guy on their team.

[Fire Goodell]

why would they cut the most electrifying man in new york

[Born2Steel]

Whatever happened to Matthew Thomas? Or is he yesterday’s flavor?

But kidding aside I’d love to have Tupac back as well. But is there any reason to believe the Steelers organization has somehow changed their mind about him now?

Even if he does drop to us, what are the odds that this will suddenly be a priority for us?

Skipper is not a terrible thought since he's available again. If the OLB room consists of Watt(Ab strain) Bud, and Ola now with Chickillo possibly being suspended or worse, Elliot or Skipper would both be logical choices. Either one would be as a backup and very limited playing time if any anyhow. I don't LOVE it but there are worse things than bringing Skipper back now.

[86WARD]

Guy couldn’t make the Giants team? I think I’ll pass...lol...unless it gets Chickillo off the roster. Then I’m all in.

[Born2Steel]

Guy couldn’t make the Giants team? I think I’ll pass...lol...unless it gets Chickillo off the roster. Then I’m all in.

I understand the thinking. But I also think it comes down to Skipper(if he falls to us) or Elliot. One of these guys would be the most likely OLB to get brought back on if the Steelers sign another OLB. Don't you think? If Watt is injured and Ola has to play more snaps to rest, that leaves Bud who has been injury prone himself for his career. Therefore I think they do have to sign another OLB.

[DesertSteel]

This is a very funny board. Up through yesterday posters were bemoaning the cut of Skipper. Today, the Giants no longer want him so he’s trash.

[Butch]

This is a very funny board. Up through yesterday posters were bemoaning the cut of Skipper. Today, the Giants no longer want him so he’s trash.
Where do you see that? I only see one poster who says he doesn't want him.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Where do you see that? I only see one poster who says he doesn't want him.

I agree, I don't see anybody that thinks he is trash, but I honestly see him as a developmental OLB that really should not command much playing time. Skipper should be the #5 or 6 OLB, but the Steelers are kind of thin in depth. He likely could very well pass thru waivers and end up on a practice squad.

His hand use in pass rush is good, but quickness is average and is stiff in his drops in zone coverage.

[teegre]

Waiter: We are all out of braised endive.

Steelers fans: Damnit!!! I knew that we should have gotten here sooner. They are out of the one dish that I really wanted.

Waiter: Hold on, sir. We just so happen to have one more serving of braised endive.

Steelers fans: Oh... uh... wait!!! Why the fuck would I want some hot, moist lettuce!?!

[steelreserve]

Waiter: We are all out of braised endive.

Steelers fans: Damnit!!! I knew that we should have gotten here sooner. They are out of the one dish that I really wanted.

Waiter: Hold on, sir. We just so happen to have one more serving of braised endive.

Steelers fans: Oh... uh... wait!!! Why the fuck would I want some hot, moist lettuce!?!

"Hey! I ordered a cheeseburger!"

[teegre]

"Hey! I ordered a cheeseburger!"

WAITER: We have burger that is 6’5, 265 lbs., and looks like the best thing you’ve ever seen. It’s eye candy!!!

STEELERS FAN: Wow!!! How does it taste!?!

WAITER: Like dirt. About one in every ten bites, you will get a glimmer of quality... just enough for you to keep eating it (way longer than you probably should be).

[steelreserve]

WAITER: We have burger that is 6’5, 265 lbs., and looks like the best thing you’ve ever seen. It’s eye candy!!!

STEELERS FAN: Wow!!! How does it taste!?!

WAITER: Like dirt. About one in every ten bites, you will get a glimmer of quality... just enough for you to keep eating it (way longer than you probably should be).

Congratulations, you have also discovered the secret formula of In-N-Out.

[GoSlash27]

Wait... We *are* talking about the same Tuzar Skipper, right? The one who had 5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles in the preseason? 'Cuz if so, I don't remember him playing like dirt.

[BlackAndGold]

We'll know by 4pm if Skipper was claimed.

[Mojouw]

I think we need to keep in mind who we are talking about here. Skipper and Chickillo are both bottom 1/3 of the roster players. One could argue that Skipper has more upside because he is younger. But in 2019 the following has taken place:

Player A: 40 defensive snaps resulting in 2 assisted tackles, 1 QB hit, 0.5 sacks, and 1 fumble recovery. 27 special teams snaps.
Player B: 41 defensive snaps resulting in 1 assisted tackle, 1 QB hit, and 0.5 sacks. 53 special teams snaps.

So which player really moves the needle? Neither? Both?

A is Skipper and B is Chickillo.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Wait... We *are* talking about the same Tuzar Skipper, right? The one who had 5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles in the preseason? 'Cuz if so, I don't remember him playing like dirt.

That is the same one. But, do you remember who he played against to get those stats? Probably not, because they are either on a practice squad somewhere or applied to sell shoes at Foot Locker by now.

Fans get enamoured with the play of preseason hero vs the 3rd stringers on the other team, but don't often keep perspective that the guy is also a 3rd string player that has more potential than polished NFL game at the present time. I'm good with him getting signed, but still think he is a project.

[GoSlash27]

I think we need to keep in mind who we are talking about here. Skipper and Chickillo are both bottom 1/3 of the roster players. One could argue that Skipper has more upside because he is younger. But in 2019 the following has taken place:

Player A: 40 defensive snaps resulting in 2 assisted tackles, 1 QB hit, 0.5 sacks, and 1 fumble recovery. 27 special teams snaps.
Player B: 41 defensive snaps resulting in 1 assisted tackle, 1 QB hit, and 0.5 sacks. 53 special teams snaps.



So which player really moves the needle? Neither? Both?

A is Skipper and B is Chickillo.

If Skipper never amounts to more than another Chickillo, we're still better off with him than Chickillo. I don't think he's that limited though. I think his Chickillo- like stats have more to do with the New York Football Giants' crappy defense than Tuzar Skipper's ability.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

If Skipper never amounts to more than another Chickillo, we're still better off with him than Chickillo. I don't think he's that limited though. I think his Chickillo- like stats have more to do with the New York Football Giants' crappy defense than Tuzar Skipper's ability.

IMO, if Skipper ends up in B&G, we can hope that he progresses to a Clark Haggans type level. He isn't the athlete that Haggans was, but similarly was a college DE that needs time to convert to OLB. He has good bend around the edge and hand use, not great speed and doesn't look overly fluid in dropping in zone pass coverage. IMO, Chickillo is a better athlete, but doesn't play with the strength or bend that Skipper showed in preseason.

I say that if Skipper clears, sign him and let Paxton Lynch go, then can sign Lynch back to the PS.

[Fire Goodell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw

[tube517]

Steelers get a Toledo OLB but it's Elliott not Skipper.

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[GoSlash27]

Steelers get a Toledo OLB but it's Elliott not Skipper.

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WTH?? They have the choice between Elliott and Skipper and they go with Elliott?

[HollywoodSteel]

Well, it’s after 4 in your time zone. Did anyone claim Tupac? Twitter hasn’t said anything yet.

[steelreserve]

WTH?? They have the choice between Elliott and Skipper and they go with Elliott?

Probably the age-old "played with the team recently" line ... If Skipper clears waivers, we could always sign him back to our own practice squad, which was our original intention. Just by the most roundabout way possible.

[HollywoodSteel]

Probably the age-old "played with the team recently" line ... If Skipper clears waivers, we could always sign him back to our own practice squad, which was our original intention. Just by the most roundabout way possible.

Right, but so could the Giants. Maybe that is their plan if he clears. And he might not want to move just to be on a different PS.

[steelreserve]

Right, but so could the Giants. Maybe that is their plan if he clears. And he might not want to move just to be on a different PS.

Could go either way. Maybe he didn't really want to go to New York in the first place, but had to because he was claimed. Or maybe he likes it there, or thinks they have a better future. Or maybe he's got a bitch on the side in Atlanta, for all I know.

If I was a player in that position, I'd be looking at where my best shot was to parlay this into a steady job next year ... Pittsburgh has a starter on the way out and a backup likely to be gone as well ... on the other hand, Ola is ahead of you and I guess you have to count Elliott, plus they're likely to draft someone, so you may still be buried three deep. Hard to say.

[BlackAndGold]

Skipper went unclaimed.

[Mojouw]

So practice squad?

[AtlantaDan]

So practice squad?


Waiting for the reactions when Skipper goes somewhere else because he is miffed the Steelers released him :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

Waiting for the reactions when Skipper goes somewhere else because he is miffed the Steelers released him :chuckle:

Colbert reportedly told him "Don't worry, kid, we'll try to bring you back."

Gotta figure that level of disrespect doesn't just fade over a few weeks. :lol:

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Waiting for the reactions when Skipper goes somewhere else because he is miffed the Steelers released him :chuckle: Well since he went unclaimed I would think he would be happy to have a job anywhere.

[Fire Goodell]

maybe the league realized his sacks in the preseason were all dong sacks :chuckle:

[Fire Goodell]

It might be an unpopular opinion, but as of now this might be the right move. Elliott does have NFL experience and is probably more game ready than Skipper is at this point. They're probably looking at the possibility of someone on the PS who may actually have to come in and play, Skipper is too raw as of right now.

[86WARD]

This is a very funny board. Up through yesterday posters were bemoaning the cut of Skipper. Today, the Giants no longer want him so he’s trash.

I think I’m the only one who said he doesn’t want him unless it could get Chickillo off the roster. Didn’t say he was trash. The Giants defense is terrible. If he can’t even keep a backup role there, combined with the Steelers waiving him...that’s a sign to me. Maybe he’s another James Harrison, but let’s be honest, that kind of thing doesn’t happen often.

[86WARD]

Skipper went unclaimed.

Another sign to pass on him...lol.

[DesertSteel]

So practice squad?
I wish so. I don’t read too much into him going unclaimed as some do. He’s raw and needs developed. But I think he has good instincts.

[AtlantaDan]

I wish so. I don’t read too much into him going unclaimed as some do. He’s raw and needs developed. But I think he has good instincts.

Those instincts apparently told him to go back to the second team to release him this season :noidea:

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[steelreserve]

According to this, he is now on the Giants practice squad, so that's the end of that.

https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/information-pages/new-york-giants-transactions/

[Steeldude]

According to this, he is now on the Giants practice squad, so that's the end of that.

https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/information-pages/new-york-giants-transactions/

If Chickillo is let go they could take him from the Giants' roster, but Skipper would need to be on the 53-man roster for at least 3 weeks.

[steelreserve]

If Chickillo is let go they could take him from the Giants' roster, but Skipper would need to be on the 53-man roster for at least 3 weeks.

It really just seems like they're not interested enough in the guy to do more than make half-assed attempts to get him and hope things go their way. Oh well, that's just the way it is, I guess.

[86WARD]

It really just seems like they're not interested enough in the guy to do more than make half-assed attempts to get him and hope things go their way. Oh well, that's just the way it is, I guess.

30 other teams seem to feel the same way...

[GoSlash27]

30 other teams seem to feel the same way...

But this is a flawed analysis because not all 32 teams have the same need at every position, nor have they all spent the same time and effort evaluating any specific player.

[Born2Steel]

Maybe something besides his play in preseason is why Skipper was skipped over. We may never know.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I dont know why some think Skipper is such a great player, a polarizing figure that the Steeler need to have on the roster? He is a training camp hero, a Kevin Fogg, Marcus Tucker, Daryl Richardson. Sure he showed some promise against 3rd string Offensive players, but they can likely get him or another similar player as a UDFA next season. Even with Samuels back, they cut Edmunds and are free to sign him if they want. Its not like the rest of the NFL is rushing out to pick up Tuzar Skipper, because they think he is the missing link to winning games.

[Blast Furnace]

I dont know why some think Skipper is such a great player, a polarizing figure that the Steeler need to have on the roster? He is a training camp hero, a Kevin Fogg, Marcus Tucker, Daryl Richardson. Sure he showed some promise against 3rd string Offensive players, but they can likely get him or another similar player as a UDFA next season. Even with Samuels back, they cut Edmunds and are free to sign him if they want. Its not like the rest of the NFL is rushing out to pick up Tuzar Skipper, because they think he is the missing link to winning games.

I think it's because Skipper's floor has already surpassed Chick's ceiling. Chick also played against 2nd and 3rd string OL and didn't fair nearly as well as Skipper did. So, naturally, people are more enamored with Skipper's potential.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I think it's because Skipper's floor has already surpassed Chick's ceiling. Chick also played against 2nd and 3rd string OL and didn't fair nearly as well as Skipper did. So, naturally, people are more enamored with Skipper's potential.

OK, but if I ask fans ….you can only pick one OLB between Ola Adenyi or Tuzar Skipper to be on the Steelers roster, who do you pick? I would be curious to know how that would break out. The preseason hero of 2018 vs the one of 2019.

[DesertSteel]

I'm burning my Skipper jersey!

[Born2Steel]

I'm burning my Skipper jersey!

I’m Skipping my Burner jersey!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I'm burning my Skipper jersey!

Did u get a Skipper jersey, or just a new nameplate for your Sean Spence jersey?

[GoSlash27]

I dont know why some think Skipper is such a great player, a polarizing figure that the Steeler need to have on the roster? He is a training camp hero, a Kevin Fogg, Marcus Tucker, Daryl Richardson.
Or perhaps a John Kuhn, Isaac Redman, or Hines Ward? Or more recently a 'Duck' Hodges? Some training camp heroes actually *do* pan out after all, and you don't know which category Skipper falls into. IMO if you have someone that whoops wholesale ass in the preseason on your team, you should at least give that guy a shot when you have a need at that position.

[Born2Steel]

Or perhaps a John Kuhn, Isaac Redman, or Hines Ward? Or more recently a 'Duck' Hodges? Some training camp heroes actually *do* pan out after all, and you don't know which category Skipper falls into. IMO if you have someone that whoops wholesale ass in the preseason on your team, you should at least give that guy a shot when you have a need at that position.

Agreed. Which is why I think there's more than just his preseason play as to why they didn't bring him back.

[Mojouw]

Agreed. Which is why I think there's more than just his preseason play as to why they didn't bring him back.

Might be scheme fit and roster construction. They are going to have to carry a 3rd QB now, either on the PS or the 53 man roster. That is one less spot for a developmental OLB.
They are going to also carry more RBs to help the rookie QBs not be terrible. Another roster spot that you can not give to a developmental OLB.

Couple those restrictions with the fact that if I remember correctly, Skipper doesn't really play in space. So he doesn't exactly fit with the current version of the "run and hit" defense we are seeing from the Steelers in 2019.

Plus a waiver claim would've meant he had to be on the 53 man roster. For reasons above, he doesn't fit there. I don't think they can give a roster spot to a player they have no plans of dressing. That job is already taken by Donte Moncrief!

So PS -- I guess? I thought they would sign him there, but I guess they are not interested in a developmental OLB with one trick in his bag right now.

[Born2Steel]

Might be scheme fit and roster construction. They are going to have to carry a 3rd QB now, either on the PS or the 53 man roster. That is one less spot for a developmental OLB.
They are going to also carry more RBs to help the rookie QBs not be terrible. Another roster spot that you can not give to a developmental OLB.

Couple those restrictions with the fact that if I remember correctly, Skipper doesn't really play in space. So he doesn't exactly fit with the current version of the "run and hit" defense we are seeing from the Steelers in 2019.

Plus a waiver claim would've meant he had to be on the 53 man roster. For reasons above, he doesn't fit there. I don't think they can give a roster spot to a player they have no plans of dressing. That job is already taken by Donte Moncrief!

So PS -- I guess? I thought they would sign him there, but I guess they are not interested in a developmental OLB with one trick in his bag right now.

I think you just summed it up.

[AtlantaDan]

The official symbol of the 2019 Steelers roster is a revolving door

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[steelreserve]

The official symbol of the 2019 Steelers roster is a revolving door


This is more insane than that time when Tomlin said "heads will roll" and then cut Isaiah Green for the third or fourth time that season.

[vader29]

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[GoSlash27]

Stiller Nation be like https://media.giphy.com/media/13hxeOYjoTWtK8/giphy.gif
This includes me. :dance:

[DesertSteel]

I doubt he ever sees the field but I'm glad he's back.

[86WARD]

Meh.

[tube517]

1196903427764305920 :lol:

[pczach]

I'm glad he made it back.

It was always the plan to sign him back when they released him, but the path back to the team was much longer than anticipated.

[HollywoodSteel]

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He can probably catch better than Holton.