Florio On The Steelers [Archive]

Six Rings

06-16-2019, 10:20 AM

Six Rings

06-16-2019, 10:28 AM

On Florio himself, I'm okay with what he says from an operational and financial standpoint about NFL teams and decisions made around them. But have no illusions, this well spoke West Virginia lawyer grew up a Minnesota Vikings fan. Super Bowl IX 16-6 score is still in his mind, and I think he still relishes sticking it to the Steelers when the facts of the situation suit him. Not saying he's wrong when he does it, just saying he seems to enjoy it too much.

For a national football guy, I think he's decent, more so on radio than on television.

El-Gonzo Jackson

06-16-2019, 06:33 PM

The Raiders don't know AB the way we do. He's acting like he's running for mayor and trying to make new friends. It means Jack. When he's not getting the football enough, or Carr is struggling, or the team is 3-6 I know which AB they Raiders will see.

AB was always the hardest working guy in the room. He worked his way from 6th round pick to top WR in the NFL over multiple seasons, I don't see him as the pariah many make him out to be. He is going to try and lead by example with the Raiders, but will likely find out the QB situation isn't as talented as it was in PIT, but he likely wont be called out in the media by his QB in Oakland, when the QB makes a mistake.

st33lersguy

06-16-2019, 07:05 PM

The Raiders don't know AB the way we do. He's acting like he's running for mayor and trying to make new friends. It means Jack. When he's not getting the football enough, or Carr is struggling, or the team is 3-6 I know which AB they Raiders will see.

AB likes to project himself as a good human being but he really isn't. He will try and fool the Raiders before things go south and he acts like a jerk over in Oakland. Certainly, losing 10-12 games a year will cause him to complain and demand a trade in 2 years max

Hawkman

06-16-2019, 09:17 PM

AB likes to project himself as a good human being but he really isn't. He will try and fool the Raiders before things go south and he acts like a jerk over in Oakland. Certainly, losing 10-12 games a year will cause him to complain and demand a trade in 2 years max

Wow! There is a reason why the really good posters are.......posting less and less. I’m not one of them, but I sure like reading there posts. Shoes said NOT the AB BS.

hawaiiansteeler

06-16-2019, 10:15 PM

Wow! There is a reason why the really good posters are.......posting less and less.

you're absolutely correct, I've noticed for awhile now that the negative attitude that exists on this message board has really decreased posting activity here.

http://www.nischwitzgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Attitude-Reflects-Leadership.jpg

fansince'76

06-16-2019, 10:52 PM

He is going to try and lead by example with the Raiders, but will likely find out the QB situation isn't as talented as it was in PIT, but he likely wont be called out in the media by his QB in Oakland, when the QB makes a mistake.

No, but he is quite likely to completely flip his shit and return to sideline Gatorade bucket tossing when his numbers precipitously decline and his new QB one-hops too many passes in the dirt to him.

But yeah, it was obviously all Roethlisberger's fault he basically went off the deep end. Poor little AB - I'll bet Heath Miller telling him to STFU and stop whining about his touches a few seasons back probably scarred him for life as well. :rolleyes:

Steeldude

06-16-2019, 11:05 PM

you're absolutely correct, I've noticed for awhile now that the negative attitude that exists on this message board has really decreased posting activity here.

http://www.nischwitzgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Attitude-Reflects-Leadership.jpg

I think the lower posting activity is due to people losing interest in the NFL, offseason and the Steelers being underachievers.

86WARD

06-17-2019, 08:13 AM

you're absolutely correct, I've noticed for awhile now that the negative attitude that exists on this message board has really decreased posting activity here.

http://www.nischwitzgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Attitude-Reflects-Leadership.jpg

Meh...

Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, lack of interest in NFL, off-season. Negativity shouldn’t scare anyone away...unless they are all about rainbows and unicorn 24/7. If that’s the case, then the internet world (and world in general) is not for them.

Hawkman

06-17-2019, 11:05 AM

I don’t think anyone is scared. There are just better things to do, than read the same non-interesting, bashing someone posts, by the same people.

st33lersguy

06-17-2019, 03:12 PM

Wow! There is a reason why the really good posters are.......posting less and less. I’m not one of them, but I sure like reading there posts. Shoes said NOT the AB BS.

Chill out, I was replying to a comment

Six Rings

06-17-2019, 06:42 PM

AB was always the hardest working guy in the room. He worked his way from 6th round pick to top WR in the NFL over multiple seasons, I don't see him as the pariah many make him out to be. He is going to try and lead by example with the Raiders, but will likely find out the QB situation isn't as talented as it was in PIT, but he likely wont be called out in the media by his QB in Oakland, when the QB makes a mistake.

That's a bold statement. Did AB work harder than Watt, Heyward, or Big Al? We have a lot of hard working types on the team. No doubt Brown worked hard on his game, but he also was a distraction for more than one season.

Ben makes his receivers, not the other way around. Welcome to a losing team with an average quarterback Mr. Big Chest.

polamalubeast

06-17-2019, 06:57 PM

I am sick and tired of hearing that nobody is working harder than AB.

Yes AB works very hard, but he is not the only one!

Hawkman

06-17-2019, 07:30 PM

I am sick and tired of hearing that nobody is working harder than AB.

Yes AB works very hard, but he is not the only one!

From what I’ve seen, JuJu works as hard as AB......Steelers wise, and much more city of Pittsburgh wise.

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Chill out, I was replying to a comment

I don’t care. Guess you felt you needed to.

86WARD

06-17-2019, 07:48 PM

That's a bold statement. Did AB work harder than Watt, Heyward, or Big Al? We have a lot of hard working types on the team. No doubt Brown worked hard on his game, but he also was a distraction for more than one season.

Ben makes his receivers, not the other way around. Welcome to a losing team with an average quarterback Mr. Big Chest.

Yes. AB is/was one of the hardest working players on that team by far. Harrison may be the only one that worked harder. Being an asshole doesn’t mean he doesn’t work/train hard. He trained hard as an athlete and he trained hard to be an asshole.

El-Gonzo Jackson

06-17-2019, 08:37 PM

That's a bold statement. Did AB work harder than Watt, Heyward, or Big Al? We have a lot of hard working types on the team.

“How many No. 1 receivers in the NFL are catching punts in practice and running it all way back for a touchdown?” Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/5536/ben-roethlisberger)
says. “Then Dri [Archer] steps up and tells him to get out because he wants another one. His work ethic and demeanor and attitude are just unbelievable. He’s literally nonstop and I’ll grab him and pull him aside and make up a fake conversation just to keep him out of running so many (punts) back and wearing himself down. [B]His work ethic and attitude are just unbelievable.”

https://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/10597/antonio-browns-work-ethic-sets-him-apart

polamalubeast

06-17-2019, 08:51 PM

“How many No. 1 receivers in the NFL are catching punts in practice and running it all way back for a touchdown?” Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/5536/ben-roethlisberger)
says. “Then Dri [Archer] steps up and tells him to get out because he wants another one. His work ethic and demeanor and attitude are just unbelievable. He’s literally nonstop and I’ll grab him and pull him aside and make up a fake conversation just to keep him out of running so many (punts) back and wearing himself down. [B]His work ethic and attitude are just unbelievable.”

https://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/10597/antonio-browns-work-ethic-sets-him-apart

Brown is not alone.....Several players work hard like him, but we do not hear that every week for his players.

El-Gonzo Jackson

06-17-2019, 09:12 PM

Brown is not alone.....Several players work hard like him, but we do not hear that every week for his players.

That was high praise from Ben Roethlisberger himself. "His work ethic and attitude are just unbelievable."

I don't recall him dishing out that kind of compliment to all 52 of his kids on the roster.

polamalubeast

06-18-2019, 07:48 AM

That was high praise from Ben Roethlisberger himself. "His work ethic and attitude are just unbelievable."

I don't recall him dishing out that kind of compliment to all 52 of his kids on the roster.

I know that Brown works hard, but he's just not the only one.

Ben has often said compliments on his players in his career, as at his o-line (even during the time that this o-line was horrible) Mike Wallace or many others.

Mojouw

06-18-2019, 09:19 AM

El-Gonzo Jackson

06-18-2019, 09:24 AM

This is just classic. Go pull up any thread from the last 4-5 years and see how AB was talked about compared to now. My personal favorite is all the comments about just getting the ball to AB so he can make plays and now it's all about how that was bad.

:chuckle: You are so correct on that. Everything that made AB great 4-5 years ago is now bad, hated and overrated. :rofl:

polamalubeast

06-18-2019, 09:35 AM

Since when does anyone say that Brown is not the only one worked hard is negative?

Your reaction is as if I said that Brown was not working hard :huh:

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My point for the post number 16 is that players like J.J Watt in Houston are working hard too, same for other players, but we do not hear that every week!

Steeler-in-west

06-18-2019, 12:08 PM

That's a bold statement. Did AB work harder than Watt, Heyward, or Big Al? We have a lot of hard working types on the team. No doubt Brown worked hard on his game, but he also was a distraction for more than one season.

Ben makes his receivers, not the other way around. Welcome to a losing team with an average quarterback Mr. Big Chest.

It’s not only being teamed up with an average QB. AB is over thirty. I think his best days are behind him. In a year or two he may be more suited to being a no 2 receiver.

polamalubeast

06-18-2019, 12:11 PM

It’s not only being teamed up with an average QB. AB is over thirty. I think his best days are behind him. In a year or two he may be more suited to being a no 2 receiver.

I think Brown will still be productive .... maybe not at the 2014,2015 or 2017 level, but he'll be elite on the field .... but will he be happy with Gruden and Carr?? ... That's another question!

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86WARD

06-18-2019, 09:26 PM

This is just classic. Go pull up any thread from the last 4-5 years and see how AB was talked about compared to now. My personal favorite is all the comments about just getting the ball to AB so he can make plays and now it's all about how that was bad.

So true. Remember people brought up,the comparison to Rice and how he would surpass Jerry...lol.

HollywoodSteel

06-19-2019, 03:10 AM

So true. Remember people brought up,the comparison to Rice and how he would surpass Jerry...lol.

I don’t see how this is weird or inconsistent. AB was well on his way to being the greatest receiver of all time. His work ethic was equal to none. That’s what we saw. That’s what we all knew. We weren’t wrong. We loved him, and rightly so.

Then either he changed or we all just learned knew things about him that we had no way of knowing before. Turns out the guy is crazy and selfish and everything else that has revealed itself recently.

There’s been no irrational flip flopping from commenters. Everything we said then was true, and based on new information, everything we’re saying now is true.

There’s no gotcha to be had about commenters adapting their thoughts based on what we know when we know it.

Remember when Patriots fans liked Aaron Hernandez? Yeah. So?

polamalubeast

06-19-2019, 06:09 AM

So true. Remember people brought up,the comparison to Rice and how he would surpass Jerry...lol.

I always thought it was unlikely ... I still think he'll finish 2nd in yards in his career if Brown stays healthy.

teegre

06-19-2019, 08:07 AM

86WARD

06-19-2019, 08:10 PM

I don’t see how this is weird or inconsistent. AB was well on his way to being the greatest receiver of all time. His work ethic was equal to none. That’s what we saw. That’s what we all knew. We weren’t wrong. We loved him, and rightly so.

Then either he changed or we all just learned knew things about him that we had no way of knowing before. Turns out the guy is crazy and selfish and everything else that has revealed itself recently.

There’s been no irrational flip flopping from commenters. Everything we said then was true, and based on new information, everything we’re saying now is true.

There’s no gotcha to be had about commenters adapting their thoughts based on what we know when we know it.

Remember when Patriots fans liked Aaron Hernandez? Yeah. So?

Just because he turned asshole which has been happening for several years now, doesn’t mean his on field talent or work ethic has changed. But all if a sudden because he turned asshole and now plays on the Raiders, he’s not worthy of being in a conversation with Jerry Rice...lol. He goes from comparable to Jerry Rice in the off-season of 2018 to not worthy of Jerry Rice talk in the off-season of 2019. Basically...asshole and on Steelers in 2018 equals okay. Asshole extreme and on Raiders in 2019 equals not okay.

polamalubeast

06-19-2019, 08:16 PM

Just because he turned asshole which has been happening for several years now, doesn’t mean his on field talent or work ethic has changed. But all if a sudden because he turned asshole and now plays on the Raiders, he’s not worthy of being in a conversation with Jerry Rice...lol. He goes from comparable to Jerry Rice in the off-season of 2018 to not worthy of Jerry Rice talk in the off-season of 2019. Basically...asshole and on Steelers in 2018 equals okay. Asshole extreme and on Raiders in 2019 equals not okay.

I do not know who said that ...

One thing is for sure, the only thing I said was that Brown was not the only one who works hard but this comment has derailed this thread ... For his talent, if he stays healthy, he'll probably end 2nd in yards for his career, but continues to focus only on negatives that me or others say about Brown.

HollywoodSteel

06-20-2019, 02:34 AM

Just because he turned asshole which has been happening for several years now, doesn’t mean his on field talent or work ethic has changed. But all if a sudden because he turned asshole and now plays on the Raiders, he’s not worthy of being in a conversation with Jerry Rice...lol. He goes from comparable to Jerry Rice in the off-season of 2018 to not worthy of Jerry Rice talk in the off-season of 2019. Basically...asshole and on Steelers in 2018 equals okay. Asshole extreme and on Raiders in 2019 equals not okay.

Of course he is still worthy of being in any conversation about his on field play. I’m not sure how you’re interpreting me to say otherwise.

I’m just addressing the comments that seem to be calling out commenters who used to love AB based on his play for us, and now think he’s a dick based on the fact that he’s a dick.

Why can’t we once have loved AB and now have new things to say about him given the new information we have about him.

So far I haven’t read any inconsistent comments about AB.

I doubt he’ll be as productive as he was with Ben, but did anyone around here ever say that he isn’t talented? If so, I have’t seen those comments.

HollywoodSteel

06-20-2019, 02:45 AM

OJ Simpson used to murder defenses. He was like a hot knife through butter... slashing back & forth until the opposition would keel over. When OJ was done with people, they would look like bobble-heads. Don’t get me started on his ability to cut. Simply, it was like OJ was out of his mind.

So... what OJ did on the field in the 70s isn’t suddenly erased by what he did later in life.

SUMMATION:
AB can be both a HOF receiver and an a$$hole.

(They are not mutually exclusive.)

If anyone said otherwise, point me to the comment.

Maybe people think his play will decline a bit with age and based on the offense he’s in. But who said he sucks? People just think he’s a dick now. A talented dick, but a dick.

We just didn’t know what a dick he was before last year, so why is it weird that former fans of his no longer adore him? Hence my Aaron Hernandez example. You’re OJ example makes the same point I was making. We had every reason to like him before we knew he was an A-hole. Now we have every reason not to.

There’s nothing “classic” or eye-rolly about fans who once worshiped the guy ending the worship.

teegre

06-20-2019, 08:18 AM

Hence my Aaron Hernandez example. You’re OJ example makes the same point I was making.

Exactly :nod:

Craic

06-20-2019, 08:55 PM

We just didn’t know what a dick he was before last year
That's because most likely, he wasn't.

I'd bet my Signature Line that he will be diagnosed with CTE post-mortem. Of course, I probably won't be alive when that occurs. Then, again, with the say he's seemingly spiraling . . .

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue

06-20-2019, 09:16 PM

He became a ahole when JUJU stole some of his thunder and that is pretty much it.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue

06-21-2019, 07:34 PM

Also this didn't happen over night and started in AB when he got famous. Nobody seen his true side till he actually had competition at wr with JUJU. Had JUJU not been on the team I bet AB would still be a Steeler and wouldn't left!

Bye bye AB and wish Amari Cooper was still with the Raiders and could imagine the drama between them!

AB will play nice and a team player as long as he is the big dog on the block!

86WARD

06-21-2019, 07:48 PM

It started whenever AB got that new deal and started his deal with Facebook...his ego just grew and grew.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue

06-21-2019, 07:55 PM

It started whenever AB got that new deal and started his deal with Facebook...his ego just grew and grew. Yea have to agree as well. Yep he didn't turn into a ass overnight and some signs was there. Also his TD celebrations that caused the team 15 yards on kickoffs too.

polamalubeast

06-21-2019, 08:05 PM

The lack of leadership to the steelers has hurt too..... If we had Heath Miller or Hines Ward on the team in the killer B's era, maybe that would have helped a lot for the leadership.

HollywoodSteel

06-23-2019, 03:42 AM

That's because most likely, he wasn't.

I'd bet my Signature Line that he will be diagnosed with CTE post-mortem. Of course, I probably won't be alive when that occurs. Then, again, with the say he's seemingly spiraling . . .

If you’re correct that’s really sad. AB really was a player worth admiring. Not just for his incredible production, but for everything we always heard about his work ethic and attitude.

As annoyed as I am by his recent behavior, I really hope he’s just an immature diva and not a victim of genuine brain damage. If that turns out to be the case, even more reason to despise Vontez Burfict.

teegre

06-23-2019, 01:27 PM

That's because most likely, he wasn't.

I'd bet my Signature Line that he will be diagnosed with CTE post-mortem. Of course, I probably won't be alive when that occurs. Then, again, with the say he's seemingly spiraling . . .

Indeed. It has to be “something”.

As I stated when the (pitiful) trade was made, I think that we got about all that we could get. Other teams were scared off by his pending (furniture) and future court cases.

HollywoodSteel

06-23-2019, 07:15 PM

Indeed. It has to be “something”.

As I stated when the (pitiful) trade was made, I think that we got about all that we could get. Other teams were scared off by his pending (furniture) and future court cases.

I was actually someone who desperately wanted to work something out to keep our greatest receiver ever, especially when the Steelers seemed to hold all the cards. Personally, I don’t make as much of the whole “drama” thing as most, and firmly believe that winning creates chemistry FAR more than the other way around.

But if you guys are right... and I VERY MUCH respect your take on this... then maybe something did happen that we just don’t understand and it’s foolish for me to think the organization could have done something to get our formerly beloved wr back.

Maybe the same guy just doesn’t exist anymore.

polamalubeast

06-23-2019, 07:36 PM

I would have loved Brown to be with the steelers for his entire career but with the last season and with all the drama in the last 2-3 seasons that the steelers had, it was time for a change.

hawaiiansteeler

06-23-2019, 07:57 PM

Maybe the same guy just doesn’t exist anymore.

I think he does, as long as you throw him the ball at least 15 times a game.

Craic

06-23-2019, 09:32 PM

The lack of leadership to the steelers has hurt too..... If we had Heath Miller or Hines Ward on the team in the killer B's era, maybe that would have helped a lot for the leadership.
Heath, perhaps. Not Ward. His leadership wouldn't have helped AB because the type of leadership Ward provided was more along the lines of Pay Attention! Take notes in WR meetings, rookie! You're not walking off the field after only 50 reps on the JUGS machine, are you? And so on. AB didn't need that as he was already doing all of those things (and is evident in his stats). I don't see Ward corralling off-field issues and attitudes.

HollywoodSteel

06-23-2019, 11:37 PM

Heath, perhaps. Not Ward. His leadership wouldn't have helped AB because the type of leadership Ward provided was more along the lines of Pay Attention! Take notes in WR meetings, rookie! You're not walking off the field after only 50 reps on the JUGS machine, are you? And so on. AB didn't need that as he was already doing all of those things (and is evident in his stats). I don't see Ward corralling off-field issues and attitudes.

Wasn’t Heath more of a quiet-lead-by-example type? That kind of thing certainly wouldn’t work on a character like AB.

Maybe Heath did grab guys by the collar and tell them to shape up. But if he did, I never heard about it.

HollywoodSteel

06-23-2019, 11:58 PM

The truth is there probably was no winning strategy that could have been employed through “leadership” to prevent AB from becoming the problem that he became. Ben tried the tough love thing and we saw how that worked out.

And it’s not like I that locker room is devoid of leaders. If guys like Pouncey, Foster, and Hayward couldn’t affect AB positively through proper leadership, I highly doubt Heath Miller or Hines Ward would have had the magic secret.

When you think about it, the strategy that was most effective was Tomlin’s original strategy that got incredible production from AB for years: coddle him with special treatment for the super star that he is. The real problem of AB wanting out only arose when Tomlin flipped the script on him out of the blue and suddenly held him to a normal standard without warning.

Perhaps that was the “right” thing to do if justice and fairness is the goal, but not if keeping AB on the team was the goal.

Also there was the issue of AB getting the new agent and wanting more money, so perhaps there was no practical strategy that would have kept AB on the team and fixed his attitude problem.

teegre

06-24-2019, 10:00 AM

Maybe the same guy just doesn’t exist anymore.

Alas, I don’t think he does.

My Spidey-sense told me that major trouble is on the horizon for AB.

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Maybe Heath did grab guys by the collar and tell them to shape up. But if he did, I never heard about it.

Heath handled things quietly most of the time. One time, he told AB to “shut up” and it got out.

That version of AB listened.
This version of AB... not so much.

hawaiiansteeler

06-24-2019, 11:18 AM

Heath handled things quietly most of the time. One time, he told AB to “shut up” and it got out.

That version of AB listened.
This version of AB... not so much.

Heath also would never have called out a teammate publicly...

86WARD

06-24-2019, 02:29 PM

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/platform/amp/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2015/10/28/9626874/steelers-te-heath-miller-tells-antonio-brown-to-quiet-down-about-lack

hawaiiansteeler

06-24-2019, 05:55 PM

Florio has been pretty high on the Steelers this offseason and sees them winning the division. I am forced to agree with him this time. :)

so no need to personally insult and attack Florio then?

HollywoodSteel

06-25-2019, 11:21 PM

so no need to personally insult and attack Florio then?

Well, I wouldn’t go THAT far. There’s always room to personally insult and attack Florio. ;)

But seriously, I know Florio is disliked amongst many Steelers fans, but I tend to find him entertaining. At least sometimes. :)

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https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/platform/amp/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2015/10/28/9626874/steelers-te-heath-miller-tells-antonio-brown-to-quiet-down-about-lack

Wow. To think there was a time that AB could hear constructive criticism and react
positively to it.

For some reason that makes me sad. Oh what could have been if only AB had retained that attitude.

teegre

06-26-2019, 07:53 AM

Well, I wouldn’t go THAT far. There’s always room to personally insult and attack Florio. ;)

But seriously, I know Florio is disliked amongst many Steelers fans, but I tend to find him entertaining. At least sometimes. :).

Florio & I got into it about a year ago.

He wrote an an article about Bell, which had an inaccuracy. I called him out on it... and he wrote an entirely new article, focused on “Steelers fans”. It could easily have been titled: “Eff Teegre!!!” :lol:

HollywoodSteel

06-26-2019, 11:58 AM

Florio & I got into it about a year ago.

He wrote an an article about Bell, which had an inaccuracy. I called him out on it... and he wrote an entirely new article, focused on “Steelers fans”. It could easily have been titled: “Eff Teegre!!!” :lol:

That would be fun to read. Is the article still out there?