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BlackAndGold
04-26-2019, 08:40 PM
Discuss

st33lersguy
04-26-2019, 08:43 PM
I dont even know who he is.

I knew they would go wr

polamalubeast
04-26-2019, 08:45 PM
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SteelMayhem72
04-26-2019, 08:46 PM
I dont even know who he is.

I knew they would go wrI knew they would too, I think him also being a returner has a lot to do with the pick

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ThorndikeFFA
04-26-2019, 08:48 PM
...interesting...

hawaiiansteeler
04-26-2019, 08:48 PM
I picked Diontae Johnson in our unofficial draft contest in the 6th round, what was I thinking? :noidea:

of course he's way better than Miles Boykin...

ThorndikeFFA
04-26-2019, 08:50 PM
Next two picks...CB & RB

SteelMayhem72
04-26-2019, 08:51 PM
I say a CB,TE or safety

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BlackAndGold
04-26-2019, 08:52 PM
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Hound
04-26-2019, 08:53 PM
https://steelersdepot.com/2019/04/steelers-select-toledo-wr-diontae-johnson-in-the-third-round-of-the-2019-nfl-draft/
Scored a lot in college

teegre
04-26-2019, 08:55 PM
Twitter loves the pick.

I still say that he would have been there at 83. (I'm bitter about not getting Winovich at 66.)

polamalubeast
04-26-2019, 08:56 PM
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I think it will be a great happy....or a awful pick....

Hound
04-26-2019, 08:56 PM
I kinda feel the same way when they drafted JuJu, I was so wrong on that

Dwinsgames
04-26-2019, 08:57 PM
do not look for crisp breaks on his routes 3 Cone Drill 7.09 ....

SteelMember
04-26-2019, 08:59 PM
I picked Diontae Johnson in our unofficial draft contest in the 6th round, what was I thinking? :noidea:

of course he's way better than Miles Boykin...

You obviously undervalued him... shame! :chuckle:

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
04-26-2019, 08:59 PM
https://steelersdepot.com/2019/04/steelers-select-toledo-wr-diontae-johnson-in-the-third-round-of-the-2019-nfl-draft/
Scored a lot in college So did Van Wilder but wouldn't draft him in the 3rd.

86WARD
04-26-2019, 09:00 PM
It looks like this guy could’ve been selected in the 4th or 5th round...

BlackAndGold
04-26-2019, 09:00 PM
do not look for crisp breaks on his routes 3 Cone Drill 7.09 ....





Antonio Brown: 6.98s

hawaiiansteeler
04-26-2019, 09:03 PM
Johnson returned 79 kickoffs for 1,849 yards and 2 touchdowns in addition to returning 17 punts for 343 yards and 2 touchdowns.

a 20.2 punt return average is pretty darn good :thumbsup:

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You obviously undervalued him... shame! :chuckle:

I need to quit my job so I can spend more time researching college football players...

polamalubeast
04-26-2019, 09:07 PM
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teegre
04-26-2019, 09:12 PM
The Steelers once contemplated waiting to draft Devin Hester... and missed out on him. Sometimes, you just get your guy when you can get him.

hawaiiansteeler
04-26-2019, 09:16 PM
according to reports from our WR coach, Bruce Arians called him and cussed him out because Tampa Bay was going to take Johnson with the 67th pick.

polamalubeast
04-26-2019, 09:22 PM
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Bruce Arians is not a happy man!

GBMelBlount
04-26-2019, 09:26 PM
Too early and Ben is on his last legs. I have been optimistic for the last 10 years but that has ended.

SATURDAY EDIT:

Sorry for the momentary loss of optimism.

Post kneejerk I am fine with this pick. :)

teegre
04-26-2019, 09:27 PM
Too early and Ben is on his last legs. I have been optimistic for the last 10 years but that has ended.

Sorry.

Go on Twitter. Really. It will make you feel very good about this pick.

munchy
04-26-2019, 09:40 PM
what 'fin joke. could have drafted him 3 round later

SteelMember
04-26-2019, 09:59 PM
The Steelers once contemplated waiting to draft Devin Hester... and missed out on him. Sometimes, you just get your guy when you can get him.

Very true, and they still ended up getting their corner later on, so I'll be optimistic... for now. :chuckle:

stillers4me
04-26-2019, 10:01 PM
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hawaiiansteeler
04-26-2019, 10:01 PM
what 'fin joke. could have drafted him 3 round later

did you not read that Bruce Arians called our WR coach and told him Tampa Bay was going to select Johnson at #70?

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/04/wrs-coach-darryl-drake-says-steelers-had-to-take-diontae-johnson-at-66/

SteelMember
04-26-2019, 10:05 PM
I need to quit my job so I can spend more time researching college football players...

Yeah, we need to get out to Toledo more... said no one ever. Lol

stillers4me
04-26-2019, 10:11 PM
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hawaiiansteeler
04-26-2019, 10:37 PM
66. Steelers: Diontae Johnson, WR Toledo

Analysis: Oh man, I shouldn’t do this, but I’m going to anyway: If there’s an Antonio Brown-type prospect in this class, it’s Diontae Johnson. He doesn’t have blazing speed, but he’s an excellent route-runner with good hands who was dominant in the return game. He’s also from a MAC school. Sound familiar?

The Steelers know how to pick ‘em in the middle rounds.

Grade: A

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/2019-nfl-draft-grades-day-2

BlackAndGold
04-26-2019, 10:40 PM
66. Steelers: Diontae Johnson, WR Toledo

Analysis: Oh man, I shouldn’t do this, but I’m going to anyway: If there’s an Antonio Brown-type prospect in this class, it’s Diontae Johnson. He doesn’t have blazing speed, but he’s an excellent route-runner with good hands who was dominant in the return game. He’s also from a MAC school. Sound familiar?

The Steelers know how to pick ‘em in the middle rounds.

Grade: A

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/2019-nfl-draft-grades-day-2

He was my sleeper in this draft class. Read that his agent told DJ that he would go in round 3 or 4. Glad to know he was highly rated by other teams.

He's a baller.

st33lersguy
04-26-2019, 10:46 PM
did you not read that Bruce Arians called our WR coach and told him Tampa Bay was going to select Johnson at #70?

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/04/wrs-coach-darryl-drake-says-steelers-had-to-take-diontae-johnson-at-66/

Not sure Tampa is a good judge of draft value.

SteelMember
04-26-2019, 10:59 PM
We've all said it, evaluation of wr has been our strong spot. Let's give the kid a chance. Everyone wanted a wideout, and we got one... and we'll more than likely pick another. TALL, like Ben likes. Lol.

hawaiiansteeler
04-26-2019, 11:01 PM
Not sure Tampa is a good judge of draft value.

I was responding to the comment that we could have drafted Johnson 3 rounds later.

not true, he would have been chosen four picks later in the 3rd round.

munchy
04-26-2019, 11:08 PM
I was responding to the comment that we could have drafted Johnson 3 rounds later.

not true, he would have been chosen four picks later in the 3rd round.

doubt it. i dont care what drake says.
it was a major reach and even if tampa did draft him, so what.
NO WAY he was bpa at a position of need.
they used an early 3rd(some will say late second) to draft a 4th wr that probably will only contribute on kick and punt returns.
kid may turn out ok, but the spot they took him is not defensible.

Mojouw
04-26-2019, 11:14 PM
How has Hakeem Butler not been drafted? What am I missing?

BlackAndGold
04-26-2019, 11:16 PM
How has Hakeem Butler not been drafted? What am I missing?

Not a good route runner, drops.

hawaiiansteeler
04-26-2019, 11:18 PM
doubt it. i dont care what drake says.
it was a major reach and even if tampa did draft him, so what.
NO WAY he was bpa at a position of need.
they used an early 3rd(some will say late second) to draft a 4th wr that probably will only contribute on kick and punt returns.
kid may turn out ok, but the spot they took him is not defensible.

yeah, because you're a much better evaluator of WR talent than the Steelers are. :jerkit:

SteelMember
04-26-2019, 11:19 PM
How has Hakeem Butler not been drafted? What am I missing?

Same as him, easy passes? :chuckle:

And the poor route running probably.

hawaiiansteeler
04-26-2019, 11:28 PM
Diontae Johnson, WR, Toledo

Diontae Johnson is (wrongfully) flying under the radar in this year’s class. The Toledo product is a skilled, deceptive route-runner with an unparalleled ability to create separation at the intermediate and deep levels of the field. Slotted as the No. 77 overall player of PFF’s top-250 list, Johnson has drop and size concerns that will push teams away, but his ability to separate consistently makes up for a lot of his woes. His two-year receiving grade (85.9) ranks tied for 10th in the class, and the fact that he can win in and away from the slot is more than enough reason to sprint the card in on Day 2.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-my-guys-from-the-pff-staff-for-the-2019-nfl-draft

munchy
04-26-2019, 11:30 PM
yeah, because you're a much better evaluator of WR talent than the Steelers are. :jerkit:


yup, me and a thousand draft sites.............keep jerking

teegre
04-26-2019, 11:34 PM
yup, me and a thousand draft sites

Literally?

Mojouw
04-26-2019, 11:38 PM
yup, me and a thousand draft sites.............keep jerking

Liar! Links! :)

Mojouw
04-26-2019, 11:39 PM
Same as him, easy passes? :chuckle:

And the poor route running probably.

Ok. I’m just asking. I feel like this draft has one of the bigger disconnects between fan ranks and nfl ranks of prospects.


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SteelMember
04-26-2019, 11:45 PM
Ok. I’m just asking. I feel like this draft has one of the bigger disconnects between fan ranks and nfl ranks of prospects.


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I'm just playing. I honestly was surprised Jalen Hurd went higher. I thought he had more of the same question marks on route running and the fact he got most of his yards starting behind the line of scrimmage with short passes, screens and sweeps. :noidea:

Born2Steel
04-26-2019, 11:51 PM
I don't know Diontae Johnson or his game at all. Watched zero film on him. Heard zilch from the talking heads, podcast gurus, and draft analysts about him for over 3 months now. Sort of the same way I felt when the Steelers drafted JuJu Smith-Schuster. Trust the process.

BlackAndGold
04-27-2019, 01:59 AM
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If you look at his quickness and movements he does remind you of AB.

Steelerette
04-27-2019, 02:40 AM
There's still time to draft another WR too. I like this pick. We can say goodbye to guys like DHB and Justin Hunter. He's a lot better than Dri Archer. Like someone else said, the Steelers once thought they could get Devin Hester later in the draft. Special Teams has been an achilles heel for far too long. If you think this pick was a little bit of a reach, just think, with Johnson and Switzer (and Diontae Spencer too) on the returns units, that's going to routinely give Ben a shorter field to deal with than he's had in several years. So the pick absolutely helps him out. An added bonus is that Johnson is good enough to see some regular WR play, and that Washington is poised for a breakout season. This is a better draft selection than people are giving it credit for.

Craic
04-27-2019, 02:41 AM
Discuss
I have a better idea. Provide more in an original post.


(And get off my lawn while you're at it :old:).

BlackAndGold
04-27-2019, 04:34 AM
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pczach
04-27-2019, 04:54 AM
yup, me and a thousand draft sites.............keep jerking


Are these the same "thousand draft sites" that said Bush wasn't a Top 15 talent?

pczach
04-27-2019, 05:54 AM
How has Hakeem Butler not been drafted? What am I missing?



We talked about him a bit in another thread: http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/30212-Are-the-Steelers-preparing-for-a-big-trade-up-in-the-draft?p=686559#post686559

I talk about him a little bit in post #50 and I follow up on it later.

He's an immense talent with a lot of flaws that need to be worked on.

polamalubeast
04-27-2019, 05:59 AM
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Six Rings
04-27-2019, 07:06 AM
I am not a fan of this pick in early round three. Round five or Six, okay. Diontae Johnson is neither big or fast and played suspect competition in the MAC.


His combine numbers are below average in height, speed, the vertical leap ( which becomes more important for the shorter players ) and the shuttle which measures stop and go quicknesses)


Sounds more like a slot receiver. We needed a bigger faster player to pair with Ju-ju on the outside. Not another Eli Rogers type of player for the slot. While D.K. Metcalf would have been nice, more established players like OSU's WR Terry McLaurin, OLB Chase Winoich, and CB David Long were on the board for the Steelers to select.


https://www.nfl.com/prospects/diontae-johnson?id=32194a4f-4800-0017-a19a-a554dee114ed


https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/diontae-johnson-1.html

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There's still time to draft another WR too. I like this pick. We can say goodbye to guys like DHB and Justin Hunter. He's a lot better than Dri Archer. Like someone else said, the Steelers once thought they could get Devin Hester later in the draft. Special Teams has been an achilles heel for far too long. If you think this pick was a little bit of a reach, just think, with Johnson and Switzer (and Diontae Spencer too) on the returns units, that's going to routinely give Ben a shorter field to deal with than he's had in several years. So the pick absolutely helps him out. An added bonus is that Johnson is good enough to see some regular WR play, and that Washington is poised for a breakout season. This is a better draft selection than people are giving it credit for.



If the Steelers really believed Washington was going to have a breakout season, WR would not be a need. Washington had a very disappointing rookie season. He's not fast enough to be a deep threat and had issues catching the football.

polamalubeast
04-27-2019, 07:11 AM
I am not a fan of this pick in early round three. Round five-second, okay. Diontae Johnson is neither big or fast and played suspect competition in the MAC.


His combine numbers are below average in height, speed, the vertical leap ( which becomes more important for the shorter players ) and the shuttle which measures stop and go quicknesses)


Sounds more like a slot receiver. We needed a bigger faster player to pair with Ju-ju on the outside. Not another Eli Rogers type of player for the slot. While D.K. Metcalf would have been nice, more established players like OSU's WR Terry McLaurin, OLB Chase Winoich, and CB David Long were on the board for the Steelers to select.


https://www.nfl.com/prospects/diontae-johnson?id=32194a4f-4800-0017-a19a-a554dee114ed


https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/diontae-johnson-1.html

He is not really a slot WR....

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polamalubeast
04-27-2019, 07:16 AM
If the Steelers really believed Washington was going to have a breakout season, WR would not be a need. Washington had a very disappointing rookie season. He's not fast enough to be a deep threat and had issues catching the football.

Even though Washington has a breakout season in 2019, the steelers needed another WR.

I do not want our group to be terrible like in 2016 after our number 1 WR because of disappointment or injury.

Juju has a very good future ahead of him, but he can not do it alone.

polamalubeast
04-27-2019, 07:35 AM
NFL DRAFTFilm Room: Diontae Johnson Is The WR Pittsburgh Was Searching For

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/04/film-room-diontae-johnson-is-wr-pittsburgh-was-searching-for/

Six Rings
04-27-2019, 07:48 AM
Even though Washington has a breakout season in 2019, the steelers needed another WR.

I do not want our group to be terrible like in 2016 after our number 1 WR because of disappointment or injury.

Juju has a very good future ahead of him, but he can not do it alone.




I agree, but the receiver we need is to compliment Ju-Ju. Who is our deep threat? Do we have a tall WR besides Ju-Ju who can be a red zone threat?


How Johnson's game translates vs. NFL DB's being neither big or fast, without good leaping ability to me suggests he's a slot reciever. His shuttle time was below average, I do not believe he's that quick.


Some may say, but Six RIngs, many said the same things about Brown. True. Brown was a 6th round once in a decade type of steal, same as Tom Brady.


I just felt there were better receivers on the board. I don't dislike Johnson, I think he was over drafted and like Brown would have been a nice pick in round six.


But what do I know, I never even saw the film on Johnson! When I get a chance I will. These are just my initial thoughts.

stillers4me
04-27-2019, 07:52 AM
I agree, but the receiver we need is to compliment Ju-Ju. Who is our deep threat? Do we have a tall WR besides Ju-Ju who can be a red zone threat?


How Johnson's game translates vs. NFL DB's being neither big or fast, without good leaping ability to me suggests he's a slot reciever. His shuttle time was below average, I do not believe he's that quick.


Some may say, but Six RIngs, many said the same things about Brown. True. Brown was a 6th round once in a decade type of steal, same as Tom Brady.


I just felt there were better receivers on the board. I don't dislike Johnson, I think he was over drafted and like Brown would have been a nice pick in round six.


But what do I know, I never even saw the film on Johnson! When I get a chance I will. These are just my initial thoughts.

Tampa Bay disagrees. :coffee:

86WARD
04-27-2019, 07:53 AM
Go on Twitter. Really. It will make you feel very good about this pick.

I can’t...I don’t want to see an End Game Spoiler...

Born2Steel
04-27-2019, 08:21 AM
I agree, but the receiver we need is to compliment Ju-Ju. Who is our deep threat? Do we have a tall WR besides Ju-Ju who can be a red zone threat?


How Johnson's game translates vs. NFL DB's being neither big or fast, without good leaping ability to me suggests he's a slot reciever. His shuttle time was below average, I do not believe he's that quick.


Some may say, but Six RIngs, many said the same things about Brown. True. Brown was a 6th round once in a decade type of steal, same as Tom Brady.


I just felt there were better receivers on the board. I don't dislike Johnson, I think he was over drafted and like Brown would have been a nice pick in round six.


But what do I know, I never even saw the film on Johnson! When I get a chance I will. These are just my initial thoughts.

After drafting AB then giving him the contract over Wallace, letting Sanders/Wallace walk instead of offering 1st WR money, drafting JuJu in the 2nd when nobody(NOBODY) was talking him to the Steelers, after knowing what Bryant 'could have been' if he could have gotten his mind right, how can you 2nd guess the Steelers when it comes to evaluating WRs in the draft? It has been learned that Bruce Arians was taking this guy(DJ) with his next pick so it was a now or never pick. Let go young padawan, trust the process. Diontae Johnson is Hollywood Brown without the baggage, AB without the age and drama, and he has JuJu as his mentor now.

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I can’t...I don’t want to see an End Game Spoiler...

How totally true.

polamalubeast
04-27-2019, 08:21 AM
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El-Gonzo Jackson
04-27-2019, 08:49 AM
I looked at his combine profile and a few highlights from this past year vs Miami and Buffalo. He had TD catches in both, one taking a deep hook vs Miami to the end zone, the TD vs Buffalo was just a straight go where he got a good release off the attempted jam and just outran the corner. Looks to play faster than the 4.53 indicates.

Lance Zeirline had a 3rd round grade on him in the evaluation. He played outside mostly in their formations, so Moncrief, Washington, Johnson all look like guys that don't need to play in the slot.

teegre
04-27-2019, 08:51 AM
I can’t...I don’t want to see an End Game Spoiler...

Absolutely true!!! I’ve had to be extremely careful.

Do NOT Google (or follow) LeSean McCoy. Apparently, he spoiled the ending. WTF!?!

Dwinsgames
04-27-2019, 09:15 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5KhpveWAAEsoR2.jpg:large

munchy
04-27-2019, 09:29 AM
Are these the same "thousand draft sites" that said Bush wasn't a Top 15 talent?

not sure about those sites. im talking about the same ones that said he was a top 10 and would be drafted before white, hockenson and williams


sorry mojouw,
this one doesnt get it and keeps bringing it up

DesertSteel
04-27-2019, 09:48 AM
The biggest indicator that this kid is going to be a good wide receiver is that Kevin Colbert drafted him.

Dwinsgames
04-27-2019, 10:43 AM
The biggest indicator that this kid is going to be a good wide receiver is that Kevin Colbert drafted him.

well , actually from what I heard it was Mike Tomlin who pointed him out to our WR coach .... not sure if Tomlin got him from Colbert or if he found him himself ( being a former WR himself )

guessing they probably had their eye on him from scouting Ola last year ? ( just a guess )

polamalubeast
04-27-2019, 12:16 PM
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86WARD
04-27-2019, 04:21 PM
Absolutely true!!! I’ve had to be extremely careful.

Do NOT Google (or follow) LeSean McCoy. Apparently, he spoiled the ending. WTF!?!

I’m good now. Saw it this mornings...can return to the internets...

cold-hard-steel
04-27-2019, 04:38 PM
doubt it. i dont care what drake says.
it was a major reach and even if tampa did draft him, so what.
NO WAY he was bpa at a position of need.
they used an early 3rd(some will say late second) to draft a 4th wr that probably will only contribute on kick and punt returns.
kid may turn out ok, but the spot they took him is not defensible.

Yea,we all know we don,t need any help in the punt or kick returning phase of the game anyway. Wish you worked in the front office.

teegre
04-27-2019, 04:45 PM
I’m good now. Saw it this mornings...can return to the internets...

No spoilers!!!

But, on a scale from "Aquaman to Spider-man" ...how was it?

AtlantaDan
04-27-2019, 04:49 PM
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So Rudolph had a first round grade on last year's board and Johnson had a first round grade on this year's board

Since they both were picked in the third round I guess second round pick Limas Sweed had a #1 pick grade on the Steelers 2008 draft board :noidea:

Born2Steel
04-27-2019, 05:11 PM
100 players could check enough boxes to have first round grades. But a guy with a second round grade could be the better pick. BPA does have to intersect with need at some point.

AtlantaDan
04-27-2019, 05:19 PM
100 players could check enough boxes to have first round grades. But a guy with a second round grade could be the better pick. BPA does have to intersect with need at some point.

Or you can be puffing a pick that took heat by saying the pick graded out as a first round pick on your board or, as you note, have a board with three times the number of players drafted in the first round having a first round grade

Not criticizing the pick, criticizing a claim by a front office when you know you will not be called to produce the documentation

Born2Steel
04-27-2019, 05:22 PM
Or you can be puffing a pick that took heat by saying the pick graded out as a first round pick on your board or, as you note, have a board with three times the number of players drafted in the first round having a first round grade

Not criticizing the pick, criticizing a claim by a front office when you know you will not be called to produce the documentation

What reason would they have to lie about where they graded a player? Everybody of importance was in the warroom with the board.

AtlantaDan
04-27-2019, 05:40 PM
What reason would they have to lie about where they graded a player? Everybody of importance was in the warroom with the board.

You can say whatever you want when nobody is going to call you on it

No big deal - it just seems like a gratuitous look how smart we are claim for a player that was not regarded as first or second round level talent on any draft ranking I saw and a card that the Steelers have now decided to play two years in a row for a third round pick

Obviously hope it works out and with the Steelers track record (leaving aside exceptions such as Sweed and Sammie Coates) the odds are it will :drink:

Butch
04-27-2019, 05:47 PM
You can say whatever you want when nobody is going to call you on it

No big deal - it just seems like a gratuitous look how smart we are claim for a player that was not regarded as first or second round level talent on any draft ranking I saw and a card that the Steelers have now decided to play two years in a row for a third round pick

Obviously hope it works out and with the Steelers track record (leaving aside exceptions such as Sweed and Sammie Coates) the odds are it will :drink:

To be fair the year we drafted Limas was a horrible draft all around for the Steelers and if I am not mistaken not a good draft class for the NFL as a whole. I could be wrong but I thought I heard that somewhere.

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Born2Steel
04-27-2019, 05:53 PM
Simplest way to understand it is put a check beside the criteria you want for a player that that player meets. If you have a list of 10 on your list and that player meets 9 or 10 of those criteria then that player gets a first round grade. Has zero to do with how the draftnik mock drafters make their boards at all.

Over 5'9" check
Over 150lbs check
Faster than 4.55/40 check
and so on equals 1st round grade. Like I posted before, and it wasn't sarcasm, they could have 100 players meet their 1st round criteria. We know Devin Bush did and he's short. A few years ago Cam Sutton had a 1st round grade by probably every team. then an injury dropped him down boards. If the Steelers FO didn't put much stock in the injury concern, Sutton could still have had a 1st round grade and ended up a 3rd round pick. There's really no reason to lie about it. If Diontae Johnson fails miserably, saying you had a 1st round grade on him makes you look incompetent. It just makes no sense.

Mojouw
04-27-2019, 06:05 PM
I never understood the logic that you can only have 32 first round grades. Some years you may have 55 and other years you may have 22.

As long as you are consistent in your criteria and evaluation methods, that is the key thing.

Born2Steel
04-27-2019, 06:16 PM
Exactly. Who knows how many players reached the 1st round grade criteria for Tomlin/Colbert and co? They will never tell exactly what that criteria is or how many meet it each year.

zulater
04-29-2019, 10:52 AM
To be fair the year we drafted Limas was a horrible draft all around for the Steelers and if I am not mistaken not a good draft class for the NFL as a whole. I could be wrong but I thought I heard that somewhere.

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Limas was a very talented player who just didn't work out because he lost confidence in his ability to catch. He probably was as good at getting separation from a DB as any receiver we've had. And his catching problems were strictly game day from what I've heard. In practice he rarely dropped a ball. It's just one of those sports things such Steve Blass disease or Steve Sax inexplicably losing the ability to throw the ball to first base.

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Regardless of what their grade was , they were delighted to pick him where they did and I'm thinking they believe he'll pay quick dividends on the field this season. I love the pick.

zulater
04-29-2019, 11:17 AM
For those concerned about the level of competition in the MAC not being reliable indicator of talent. Johnson may have had his best game last season against the Miami Hurricanes. They probably had 3 NFL level players in their secondary. He caught 6 passes for 119 and 2TD's against them.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-29-2019, 11:56 AM
For those concerned about the level of competition in the MAC not being reliable indicator of talent. Johnson may have had his best game last season against the Miami Hurricanes. They probably had 3 NFL level players in their secondary. He caught 6 passes for 119 and 2TD's against them.

Yes, here is a copy of that game. He beats Michael Jackson on a couple go routes where he beats the press coverage and the QB put it just over the top. Jackson was a 5th round pick of the Cowboys.

Johnson has a couple WR screens, his first TD was a slant that was tipped by the OLB, but he was in the seam and open. The other TD is approx. a 15 yard dig, that he catches in the slot and then reverses his field and takes to the end zone. He seems to have a lateral hop move that he often uses to beat the jam and go. Looks like he is capable of working from the slot and also the X.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEDIQdCkYHA

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Johnson wears jersey #3

DesertSteel
04-29-2019, 12:36 PM
For those concerned about the level of competition in the MAC not being reliable indicator of talent. Johnson may have had his best game last season against the Miami Hurricanes. They probably had 3 NFL level players in their secondary. He caught 6 passes for 119 and 2TD's against them.
Randy Moss played in the MAC...

steelreserve
04-29-2019, 01:28 PM
I don't really get how people can get worked up over round projections and grades after rounds 1-2. Once you get past that, there's so much subjectivity with any pick that basically you are just asking "What do you think of this guy?" The only time I think there's really a reason to get mad in R3, and certainly R4 or later, is when there's a clearly better player at the same position available, or when you picked a guy in R4-5 that was obviously going to be there in R6 or R7 if he was drafted at all. The reason(s) why people are kind of mad about that WTF tight end pick.

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-29-2019, 02:09 PM
Randy Moss played in the MAC...

True. The point is to look at what he can do on the field and against another player in the Miami game who is deemed draftable.

Look at that video I posted and look for #3 at :

-10:00 mark. Sits down in a seam and catches the TD pass, not that challenging of a route or recognition, but good hands on tip drill
-11:30 mark, gets the release and runs the 9, with a nice catch over the head of Dallas 5th round pick.(he catches 2 like that in this game)
-13:00 mark, he runs the dig from the slot and makes the catch, then quickly changes direction for the run to the house.

I like what I see from him in his release from the line, his hands, his ability to change direction and the CB, #28 Michael Jackson that he beats on the routes ran a 4.45 at the combine.

polamalubeast
04-30-2019, 12:15 PM
WR Diontae Johnson — The Steelers had a first-round grade on Johnson and still got him in the third round, which makes the pick even more tantalizing. Johnson was the most underrated receiver in the draft and has a chance to be a reliable target for Ben Roethlisberger right away. That’s because he has a good understanding of route combinations and runs precise routes. Grade: A

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2019/04/29/pittsburgh-steelers-2019-nfl-draft-class-grades-analysis/stories/201904290093

43Hitman
04-30-2019, 03:00 PM
WR Diontae Johnson — The Steelers had a first-round grade on Johnson and still got him in the third round, which makes the pick even more tantalizing. Johnson was the most underrated receiver in the draft and has a chance to be a reliable target for Ben Roethlisberger right away. That’s because he has a good understanding of route combinations and runs precise routes. Grade: A

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2019/04/29/pittsburgh-steelers-2019-nfl-draft-class-grades-analysis/stories/201904290093

This can't be true, I hear he sucks, like the rest of our draft. The Steelers should just move their team to Baltimore or something. What a disgrace.

hawaiiansteeler
04-30-2019, 03:14 PM
This can't be true, I hear he sucks, like the rest of our draft. The Steelers should just move their team to Baltimore or something. What a disgrace.

https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/744/895/Mayflower_crop_north.jpg?1339549930&w=630&h=420

BlackAndGold
04-30-2019, 03:18 PM
Yes, here is a copy of that game. He beats Michael Jackson on a couple go routes where he beats the press coverage and the QB put it just over the top. Jackson was a 5th round pick of the Cowboys.

Johnson has a couple WR screens, his first TD was a slant that was tipped by the OLB, but he was in the seam and open. The other TD is approx. a 15 yard dig, that he catches in the slot and then reverses his field and takes to the end zone. He seems to have a lateral hop move that he often uses to beat the jam and go. Looks like he is capable of working from the slot and also the X.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEDIQdCkYHA

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Johnson wears jersey #3

@ 2:21.

Toledo QB is so trash. How do you miss this?

43Hitman
04-30-2019, 03:20 PM
https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/744/895/Mayflower_crop_north.jpg?1339549930&w=630&h=420

Lol, that would wake some fans up! :lol:

hawaiiansteeler
04-30-2019, 08:16 PM
Wide receivers coach Darryl Drake breaks down WR Diontae Johnson


https://www.steelers.com/video/drake-on-johnson

polamalubeast
05-01-2019, 06:42 PM
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Shoes
05-01-2019, 09:45 PM
Really like this pick also.

Six Rings
05-04-2019, 07:16 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5KhpveWAAEsoR2.jpg:large

He's on the short side with short arms. How is his catch radius rated 7th. This data is wrong.