What about cornerback?

[Six Rings]

While Bush is a good player, I think this was a mistake because it cost too much. By the time we pick in round three as many as 10 cornerbacks will be off the board.

[polamalubeast]

The steelers have 2 3rd round pick....

[Method28]

While Bush is a good player, I think this was a mistake because it cost too much. By the time we pick in round three as many as 10 cornerbacks will be off the board.I do understand the need for a cb, but they just spent some money in FA on CB. They have Nelson and Haden outside with Hilton in the slot. That should be sufficient enough for us to address other needs.

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[teegre]

The steelers have 2 3rd round pick....

...plus, six more picks on Day 3.

[Six Rings]

I do understand the need for a cb, but they just spent some money in FA on CB. They have Nelson and Haden outside with Hilton in the slot. That should be sufficient enough for us to address other needs.

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Nelson was a hot and cold player last year. Hilton did not have as good as a 2nd season. Haden is getting older. I see no long term plan at corner, and like I said before as many as 10 corners could be gone before its our turn to pick in round three.

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...plus, six more picks on Day 3.

Fishing for the next Ike Taylor or William Gay!

[Mojouw]

I see a real need a CB as well. But consider this. Your defense got gouged last season not because Sensabaugh started but because there was no playmaking in the middle of the field.

They can cover up average at CB. They proved they can’t scheme around the gaping talent void at ILB.

[teegre]

Fishing for the next Ike Taylor or William Gay!

Sure beats Artie Burns and Senquez Golson... :noidea:

[st33lersguy]

A. Steven Nelson mitigates the need for a CB
B. This CB class was historically weak, there wasn't a CB worth taking at 20
C. The ILB class was also extremely weak and Bush along with White were the only potential game-changers at ILB
D. They traded 20 to 10 and didn't even surrender another 1st in 2020 which the Broncos were apparently looking for. After how weak-willed they were with the AB trade, this was good for them

They needed to change things up. What they were currently doing wasn't cutting it. Bush is a little bit of a risk, but it is a risk worth taking.

[Six Rings]

I see a real need a CB as well. But consider this. Your defense got gouged last season not because Sensabaugh started but because there was no playmaking in the middle of the field.

They can cover up average at CB. They proved they can’t scheme around the gaping talent void at ILB.

The Steelers had the best pass rush in the NFL last season. Our corners should be getting more interceptions, but they didn't. Could you imagine them with an average pass rush? We have one good player in Haden. Nelson is just okay. Maybe he can be a solid two, but the long term plan for this unit is lacking, and if Haden goes down, well he might be the player on defense we can least afford to lose.


It would be nice if Davis did something besides miss tackles.


Sorry--The secondary has been a primary reason why we fail for years. The Burns and Golson picks set us back. And Davis to me is more of a 3rd saftey.


We'll see what the Steelers do in round 3. One of these picks should be a DB.

[teegre]

A. Steven Nelson mitigates the need for a CB
B. This CB class was historically weak, there wasn't a CB worth taking at 20
C. The ILB class was also extremely weak and Bush along with White were the only potential game-changers at ILB
D. They traded 20 to 10 and didn't even surrender another 1st in 2020 which the Broncos were apparently looking for. After how weak-willed they were with the AB trade, this was good for them

They needed to change things up. What they were currently doing wasn't cutting it. Bush is a little bit of a risk, but it is a risk worth taking.

E. The Steelers have the 2nd pick in R3 (66) and there will be some good CBs* still available.

*Or, Darnell Savage

[Mojouw]

The Steelers had the best pass rush in the NFL last season. Our corners should be getting more interceptions, but they didn't. Could you imagine them with an average pass rush? We have one good player in Haden. Nelson is just okay. Maybe he can be a solid two, but the long term plan for this unit is lacking, and if Haden goes down, well he might be the player on defense we can least afford to lose.


It would be nice if Davis did something besides miss tackles.


Sorry--The secondary has been a primary reason why we fail for years. The Burns and Golson picks set us back. And Davis to me is more of a 3rd saftey.


We'll see what the Steelers do in round 3. One of these picks should be a DB.

Not arguing it’s a good secondary. Arguing that the game is won or lost over the middle now.

I’ll take a high end prospect for the middle over a boundary D.B.


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[Born2Steel]

Sure beats Artie Burns and Senquez Golson... :noidea:

Burns may be a bust but Golson was just unlucky. Still, goes to show a 1st round CB and a 2nd round CB were drafted to fix this secondary and both picks failed. Maybe taking a CB that knows he's going to have to put in some work to see play time is the better approach. Depending on which big board you want to look to players like Mullen, Rock, Love, David Long, Isaiah Johnson, Bunting, etc fall anywhere from late 2nd to 4th round.

[Six Rings]

E. The Steelers have the 2nd pick in R3 (66) and there will be some good CBs* still available.

*Or, Darnell Savage



I liked Savage in round two. Hope he falls to round three.


Also EFFF Antonio Brown for ruining a trade that was reported to be Buffalo's first-round pick. We could have had two first round picks and not needed to trade up to get Bush and kept our 2nd this year, and 3rd next year. Or do I have that wrong?

[hawaiiansteeler]

Also EFFF Antonio Brown for ruining a trade that was reported to be Buffalo's first-round pick. We could have had two first round picks and not needed to trade up to get Bush and kept our 2nd this year, and 3rd next year. Or do I have that wrong?

we were just going to swap 1st round picks with Buffalo so we wouldn't have had two of them.

[teegre]

Also EFFF Antonio Brown for ruining a trade that was reported to be Buffalo's first-round pick. We could have had two first round picks and not needed to trade up to get Bush and kept our 2nd this year, and 3rd next year. Or do I have that wrong?

That was indeed the report.

That said, I think that teams know that AB has lost his mind. Really. At the time, the "hotel furniture" case was still open (and if convicted, AB could have been suspended for "acts detrimental to the league"). Just today, AB threatened for fight Ryan Clark.

I'm not sure if AB ruined the trade, or if the Bills found an "excuse" to back out of the trade.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I'm not sure if AB ruined the trade, or if the Bills found an "excuse" to back out of the trade.

reportedly it was AB's contract demands that caused Buffalo to back out of the trade.

[st33lersguy]

Surprisingly only a small amount of trades (only one from the Burgh)

[teegre]

Here are the CBs still available:

Byron Murphy
Rock Ya-Sin
Greedy Williams
DeAndre Baker
Justin Layne
Sean Bunting
Julian Love
Trayvon Mullen
Lonnie Johnson
Joejuan Williams
Amani Oruwariye
Isaiah Johnson
David Long

Not a single one drafted yet; one of them will be there in R3 (possibly even in R4).

[86WARD]

Here are the CBs still available:

Byron Murphy
Rock Ya-Sin
Greedy Williams
DeAndre Baker
Justin Layne
Sean Bunting
Julian Love
Trayvon Mullen
Lonnie Johnson
Joejuan Williams
Amani Oruwariye
Isaiah Johnson
David Long

Not a single one drafted yet; one of them will be there in R3 (possibly even in R4).

They’ll grab one in the second round when they move back in!

[teegre]

They’ll grab one in the second round when they move back in!

1. Pick 66 is the second pick in R3.

2. "If" they go that route. They might go OLB or WR.

[86WARD]

I’d like to see them package that and get up to 50 or so.

[st33lersguy]

How for up will 3 6 round picks get them.

[teegre]

I’d like to see them package that and get up to 50 or so.

If they do that, expect the pick to be Chase Winovich.

[86WARD]

If they do that, expect the pick to be Chase Winovich.

Byron Murphy? I don’t like Winovich and his “attitude”.

[teegre]

Byron Murphy? I don’t like Winovich and his “attitude”.

That depends on how far down Murphy falls...

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Here are the CBs still available:

Byron Murphy
Rock Ya-Sin
Greedy Williams
DeAndre Baker
Justin Layne
Sean Bunting
Julian Love
Trayvon Mullen
Lonnie Johnson
Joejuan Williams
Amani Oruwariye
Isaiah Johnson
David Long

Not a single one drafted yet; one of them will be there in R3 (possibly even in R4). So the Steelers should throw a dart at who is left when they pick ?

[86WARD]

That depends on how far down Murphy falls...

I think the Top 5-7 could be there around 50-ish. I’d give up both third round picks to move back in and then see if I could trade back in to the third...lol.

[teegre]

#66 (260) + R5 (35) = 295 ... Pick #61

#66 (260) + R4 (50) = 310 ... Pick #59

#66 (260) + R4 (50) + R5 (35) = 345 ... Pick #56



As per your suggestion:

#66 (260) + #83 (175) = 435 ... Pick #47


One more:
#66 (260) + #83 (175)+ R4 (50) + R5 (35) = 520 ... Pick #38

[86WARD]

#66 (260) + R5 (35) = 295 ... Pick #61

#66 (260) + R4 (50) = 310 ... Pick #59

#66 (260) + R4 (50) + R5 (35) = 345 ... Pick #56



As per your suggestion:

#66 (260) + #83 (175) = 435 ... Pick #47

Yeah. Mid 40s , maybe even 56 gets you one of those 5-7 guys. Round three would be a wash then but you could get back in to Round 4 with some of the remaining picks. 141, 175, 192 adds up to about 70 points and that gets you into the 4th.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Tomlin is trading both 3's to move up to 2 and draft Rock The Casbah Sin

[teegre]

Tomlin is trading both 3's to move up to 2 and draft Rock The Casbah Sin

That was my thinking, too.

That said, Byron Murphy took his ESPN photo shirtless... which is second only to Devin Bush's "arm sling/back brace" outfit.

[86WARD]

They’d still have 122 as well...I think...lol.

[86WARD]

That was my thinking, too.

That said, Byron Murphy took his ESPN photo shirtless... which is second only to Devin Bush's "arm sling/back brace" outfit.

Still don’t know what the fuck that outfit was...lol.

[teegre]

They’d still have 122 as well...I think...lol.

That was the R4 pick (value of 50).

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

That was my thinking, too.

That said, Byron Murphy took his ESPN photo shirtless... which is second only to Devin Bush's "arm sling/back brace" outfit. Murphy will be gone early second and still might be had coming up in the last couple picks of this round.

[teegre]

Murphy will be gone early second and still might be had coming up in the last couple picks of this round.

His shirtlessness might scare people off. People are afraid of tattooed skin.

[86WARD]

That was the R4 pick (value of 50).

If they give two third rounds, move to 47. Still have 122. Give 141, 175, 192 to move into 4th OR 122, 141, 175 gets you to the end of third and then you miss round 4...but you still get a 2 and 3 pick and still have 192, 207, 219. So 6 picks total?

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

His shirtlessness might scare people off. People are afraid of tattooed skin. If he looks like Robert Kraft with his shirt off that may scare a lot of teams away.

[teegre]

If they give two third rounds, move to 47. Still have 122. Give 141, 175, 192 to move into 4th OR 122, 141, 175 gets you to the end of third and then you miss round 4...but you still get a 2 and 3 pick and still have 192, 207, 219. So 6 picks total?

So much math. :nerd:

In the simplest form, I would be fine leaving this draft with only 5 picks... with three on Day 2, and then 1 on Day 3.

[86WARD]

Baker just went to the Giants.

[teegre]

If he looks like Robert Kraft with his shirt off that may scare a lot of teams away.

Crap. Now it's a sure thing that he'll be a Taperiot.

Shirtless, wearing Uggs... :lol:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Still don’t know what the fuck that outfit was...lol.

it was fugly, that's what...

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Crap. Now it's a sure thing that he'll be a Taperiot.

Shirtless, wearing Uggs... :lol:Haha and even scared the Pats away and why they went WR.

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Serious everyone knew Pats was going TE or WR in the 1st after Gronk retired.

[AtlantaDan]

Apparently not regarded as a good CB class

Glad the Steelers put their chips on trading up for Devin Bush rather than sit at 20 and reach for another lower round quality CB in the first round

[tube517]

it was fugly, that's what...

I thought it was Theo Huxtable's shirt when Aquaman's wife tried to make a Gordon Gartrell shirt for him.

[steelreserve]

I think if our plan was to get an ILB and a CB (and maybe a TE) ... if we stood pat at #20, we would've been disappointed in who we got in R1 and disappointed at who we got in R2. So in that respect, one more reason why the move makes sense.

[DesertSteel]

When was the last time that only one CB went in the first round? And in the upper 20s! CB class was so weak. I'd like to see Julian Love out of Notre Dame in R3. For that matter, double-dip on the Irish and take Miles Boykin at WR with the other R3 pick.

[steelreserve]

When was the last time that only one CB went in the first round? And in the upper 20s! CB class was so weak. I'd like to see Julian Love out of Notre Dame in R3. For that matter, double-dip on the Irish and take Miles Boykin at WR with the other R3 pick.


If nothing else, I thought Greedy Williams was going to go in the top 10, at worst the top 15, just by virtue of being super hyped up and having a fancy nickname.

There were few if any CBs that would not be a reach with a #1 pick, but a handful left that would be worth a #2 pick if you ask me. Since we already traded ours, I just don't see that happening - we've got the capability of moving back into the second round, but making ANOTHER big trade ... that would be all but unprecedented for us, so I doubt it'll happen. Plus we signed Nelson, so that's a reason we probably won't go crazy.

Most likely we are looking at the standard wait-and-see-who-falls approach, and most likely it will be guys with one or two outstanding traits but obvious flaws also, the kind of semi-project, possible future starter but possible backup role player guys you see there. I'd say one of them will be a WR, but we do have a full complement of those if we need something else. CB or safety looks like a pretty likely target for one of the #3 picks.

[AtlantaDan]

If nothing else, I thought Greedy Williams was going to go in the top 10, at worst the top 15, just by virtue of being super hyped up and having a fancy nickname.

Both Williams and the other SEC cornerback (Baker from UGA) that were regarded as first round level talent had "character issues" that apparently hurt their draft position - such is the downside when considering whether to draft players from the "just win baby" SEC

[GBMelBlount]

Not arguing it’s a good secondary. Arguing that the game is won or lost over the middle now.

I’ll take a high end prospect for the middle over a boundary D.B.


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This.

We lost so many games in the 4th quarter last year by getting gouged over the middle.

[Hound]

Bush was and is a higher rated player than any CB in the draft. Bush also filled the teams biggest position of need. Oh yeah, the Steelers have sucked at drafting CB recently.