Steelers select ILB Devin Bush in first round

[hawaiiansteeler]

Steelers move up and select Devin Bush!

[BlackAndGold]

Wow

[silver & black]

Great move and great pick.

[Neversatisfied]

My power went out and I missed it! WTF!?!?!

[BlackAndGold]

Gave up a 2nd and next years 3rd. This was good value. Thought they'd have to give up more.

[polamalubeast]

20,52 and 3rd round pick in 2020...

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Gave up a 2nd and next years 3rd. This was good value. Thought they'd have to give up more.

same for me

[Dwinsgames]

the cost was extreme , I HATE it

no way anyone can convince me Devin Bush is better than whomever we could have taken at 20 and 52 combined and we have multiple needs

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Okay so will be WR in the 3rd.

[Mojouw]

the cost was extreme , I HATE it

no way anyone can convince me Devin Bush is better than whomever we could have taken at 20 and 52 combined and we have multiple needs

Well if Devin Bush is Deion Jones or Luke Kuechly and 20 is Artie Burns 2.0 and 52 is Mike Adams then it’s pretty worth it.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

the cost was extreme , I HATE it

no way anyone can convince me Devin Bush is better than whomever we could have taken at 20 and 52 combined and we have multiple needs They are still butt hurt about William Jackson and did it to piss off the Bengals .

[polamalubeast]

the cost was extreme , I HATE it

no way anyone can convince me Devin Bush is better than whomever we could have taken at 20 and 52 combined and we have multiple needs

The other two times the steelers have trade up under Colbert were on a future HOF(Polamalu) and future MVP super bowl(Holmes).So history is on our side

And for the price, I thought the price was going to be more ....

[Six Rings]

Gave up a 2nd and next years 3rd. This was good value. Thought they'd have to give up more.

Too much. There were plenty of ILB's that were decent, and good corners too.

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the cost was extreme , I HATE it

no way anyone can convince me Devin Bush is better than whomever we could have taken at 20 and 52 combined and we have multiple needs

Which third did we give up? Agreed the cost was too much.

[polamalubeast]

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[st33lersguy]

I like the move. Highly athletic, dynamite as a player, leadership as well.

[polamalubeast]

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[ThorndikeFFA]

1. I HATE Michigan.
2. It costs a TON to move from #20 to #10.
3. We needed a Devin.

Add all of that up...we did well. I was thinking that it might happen in the 12-16 range, but it happened at 10. The price was higher, but if you want what you want you pay the price and move on. End of story.

Welcome!

[BlackAndGold]

Too much. There were plenty of ILB's that were decent, and good corners too..

Corner class was weak. And they need to be better than decent at ILB.

The 3rd round pick is in 2020. they should be getting a 3rd round comp pick next season. This was cheap for moving up 10 picks

[teegre]

Which third did we give up?

Next year's R3 pick.

[st33lersguy]

the cost was extreme , I HATE it

no way anyone can convince me Devin Bush is better than whomever we could have taken at 20 and 52 combined and we have multiple needs

Bush certainly was a better option than whatever Artie Burns clone they were planning on taking at 20 + whatever no. 3 or no. 4 WR they would have taken in round 2

[hawaiiansteeler]

Gave up a 2nd and next years 32 pick in the 3rd round . This was good value. Thought they'd have to give up more.

there, fixed that for you!

[86WARD]

the cost was extreme , I HATE it

no way anyone can convince me Devin Bush is better than whomever we could have taken at 20 and 52 combined and we have multiple needs

It’s only extreme if he’s a bust. Like Mojouw said...Could be Artie Burns or it could be Bud Dupree and Golson. Pretty much the same draft area that they are in this year. I’d give those two up for Devin Bush...no? On the other hand, Shazier and Tuitt...but those picks were a bit different.

[JayC]

they would have f**ked up the 20th pick most likely on 2nd round talent anyways..at least they got someone most people wanted

[Dwinsgames]

Sources Tell Us

"Personally, I would rather have David Long over Devin Bush for a round or two discount. They have about the same size but Long is more productive and maybe less prone to injury." -- NFC executive





https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-long?id=32194c4f-4e20-9927-7a66-9bb9ab3a3708



(https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-long?id=32194c4f-4e20-9927-7a66-9bb9ab3a3708)

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point being ... Bush vs whomever is left on board at 20 and 52 ( plus a 3rd next year ) not close for me the latter is of more value

[polamalubeast]

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[st33lersguy]

Keep in mind the Steelers have some of the worst defensive coaching in the league, so they really needed a more polished, better defensive player. Another Artie Burns would have been a bad idea

[Six Rings]

Next year's R3 pick.



Okay so pick # 95, I think. The NY Giants forfeited their 3rd round pick so I read by selecting a no-name in the supplemental draft.

[stillers4me]

We gave up pick 52 but have a high 3rd round at 66. We also have plenty left to possibly move up a few picks to get who they want in the 2nd. Not likely but ya never know.

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[Dwinsgames]

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see above the disparity in stats ......

shaziers numbers are similar to Devin ..... WHITES


bush's stats much less ..this is more of an athletic projection pick and not a merit based selection on what he has actually done .....

the combine dog n pony show pick ...that is what gets you Bud Dupree's

[polamalubeast]

Sources Tell Us

"Personally, I would rather have David Long over Devin Bush for a round or two discount. They have about the same size but Long is more productive and maybe less prone to injury." -- NFC executive





https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-long?id=32194c4f-4e20-9927-7a66-9bb9ab3a3708



(https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-long?id=32194c4f-4e20-9927-7a66-9bb9ab3a3708)


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[86WARD]

Sources Tell Us

"Personally, I would rather have David Long over Devin Bush for a round or two discount. They have about the same size but Long is more productive and maybe less prone to injury." -- NFC executive





https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-long?id=32194c4f-4e20-9927-7a66-9bb9ab3a3708



(https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-long?id=32194c4f-4e20-9927-7a66-9bb9ab3a3708)

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point being ... Bush vs whomever is left on board at 20 and 52 ( plus a 3rd next year ) not close for me the latter is of more value

You can find those type of comments from executives about every player. How many people hammered the Seahawks when they selected Bruce Irvin? Irvin had all kinds of those comments. Almost everybody bashed that pick but that turned out pretty good.

[teegre]

Okay so pick # 95, I think. The NY Giants forfeited their 3rd round pick so I read by selecting a no-name in the supplemental draft.

Nicely played. :nod:

[Six Rings]

The Steelers lost their speed and coverage ability in the middle when Shazier got hurt. Bush has big shoes to fill. Giving Vince Williams a larger contract was a mistake. He's likely a back up / taken off they field on 3rd down.

[st33lersguy]

Steelers also desperately needed vocal leadership on defense and he could be that guy

[teegre]

Steelers also desperately needed vocal leadership on defense and he could be that guy

Is he a vocal leader? Really, I am asking (not a rhetorical question).

[BlackAndGold]

Is he a vocal leader? Really, I am asking (not a rhetorical question).

Yes he was the leader of that great UM defense. Also a trash talker, plays with an edge. Something this defense needs.

[hawaiiansteeler]

http://arizonasports.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/devin-bush.jpg

[86WARD]

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[st33lersguy]

Some risk, though all picks outside of top 2 or 3 have risk, but he if he ends up being exactly what they needed and if he isn't well based on the Steelers recent draft trends it probably wouldn't have ended up with much worse than what the Steelers would have done had they stayed at 20 and 52

[Dwinsgames]

how exactly is he going to help change the turnover deficiency of this football team ?

[hawaiiansteeler]

@shoes is going to lose his mind when Fant is there at 20...lol.

leave him alone, he's already in enough pain

[86WARD]

how exactly is he going to help change the turnover deficiency of this football team ?

He’s not. It’s going to take 4-5 players. No combination of first and second round picks would do that.

[86WARD]

leave him alone, he's already in enough pain

Lol. I posted that in the wrong thread.

[Mojouw]

Funny that Colbert claims they don’t use the draft trade charts. My quick internet math says the trade was almost equal to exactly what the chart says.

1300 for Denver’s pick. 850 + 380 for this years picks. 2020 3rd gets a round discount to about 75-100 points.


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[teegre]

Yes he was the leader of that great UM defense. Also a trash talker, plays with an edge. Something this defense needs.

As I said a month ago, we need an a$$hole on defense.

[st33lersguy]

Also: Devin Bush>>>any CB in this draft
Devin Bush >>>>Any other ILB in this draft other than Devin White

[BlackAndGold]

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[Born2Steel]

Glad he borrowed a suit from Morris Day for this event. Oh Wee Oh Wee Oh!

[86WARD]

Other thing about this draft and giving up a second round, it’s a very talent rich 3-4-5 round draft. The Steelers can still fill a ton of needs with some good talent in those rounds.

[Dwinsgames]

Also: Devin Bush>>>any CB in this draft
Devin Bush >>>>Any other ILB in this draft other than Devin White

based on what ?

his combine ? ( dog and pony show in shorts )


certainly not his tape ( he was a 3rd round guy until the combine )

certainly not his statistical accomplishments ..... David Long killed him in that department as Did Devin White ....


Bush is not a difference maker , he has produced next to nothing in game changing plays ( turnovers ) ZERO forced fumbles ZERO fumble recoveries 11 pass defensed 1 int .... only 91 solo tackles in his college career only 172 total tackles this isnt a 1 year starter we are talking about this is 2 + years combined stats ...... not a " defensive centerpiece "


Look I hope I am wrong , but this guy made his money at the combine not by anything he did on the football field and what worries me this is how you get Bud Dupree's

[st33lersguy]

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Definitely needed

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

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Yup, the kid is a leader and an alpha dog on the defense. Fast from sideline to sideline. Good in man coverage of backs out of the backfield and a sure tackler. My pro comparison was Jonathan Vilma. I think the lack of height isn't the best for defending the seams in zone coverage, but he should instantly upgrade the rush defense and take away some of the easy passes to backs like how Carolina and McCaffrey burnt Vince Williams last year.

This is a push your chips to the middle of the table move. Steelers know they only have 2 or maybe 3 years with Ben at QB and need a defense that doesn't give up 30 points a game.

[teegre]

Yup, the kid is a leader and an alpha dog on the defense. Fast from sideline to sideline. Good in man coverage of backs out of the backfield and a sure tackler. My pro comparison was Jonathan Vilma. I think the lack of height isn't the best for defending the seams in zone coverage, but he should instantly upgrade the rush defense and take away some of the easy passes to backs like how Carolina and McCaffrey burnt Vince Williams last year.

This is a push your chips to the middle of the table move. Steelers know they only have 2 or maybe 3 years with Ben at QB and need a defense that doesn't give up 30 points a game.

As a Michigan fan, your thoughts on his lack of "splash" plays...

[steelreserve]

Well, I like this better than the typical "omg look who fell to the lower half of the round - incredible raw athlete, needs coaching!" Almost as if there was a plan and we took advantage of a chance to make it happen.

I guess only time will tell whether it pays off, but we must have seen something we thought was compelling. So in that sense I like that we were aggressive in getting what we wanted for once.

The price was not as much as I would've expected at all for moving into the top 10. Usually that's another R1 pick, isn't it?

[st33lersguy]

This isn't a guarantee to work out, but this was a necessary step in the right direction and much needed change of pace for a team that needed to change things up

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Well, I like this better than the typical "omg look who fell to the lower half of the round - incredible raw athlete, needs coaching!" Almost as if there was a plan and we took advantage of a chance to make it happen.

I guess only time will tell whether it pays off, but we must have seen something we thought was compelling. So in that sense I like that we were aggressive in getting what we wanted for once.

The price was not as much as I would've expected at all for moving into the top 10. Usually that's another R1 pick, isn't it?

Broncos reportedly wanted a 1st too, so showing some backbone is much needed

[AtlantaDan]

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome

Steelers sat tight last draft and all the LBs they valued were off the board

Trading up may not work but I like the aggressiveness as opposed to doing the same old same old because that is the Steelers Way

[st33lersguy]

Another growing trend, 3rd year in a row the Steelers select a player with family that is/was in the NFL in the 1st round

[polamalubeast]

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[Shoes]

I surely wasn't for the Steelers moving up but I think this was a good move. We can always pick up a UDFA TE that went to pick your nose U :chuckle:

[Craic]

based on what ?

his combine ? ( dog and pony show in shorts )


certainly not his tape ( he was a 3rd round guy until the combine )

certainly not his statistical accomplishments ..... David Long killed him in that department as Did Devin White ....


Bush is not a difference maker , he has produced next to nothing in game changing plays ( turnovers ) ZERO forced fumbles ZERO fumble recoveries 11 pass defensed 1 int .... only 91 solo tackles in his college career only 172 total tackles this isnt a 1 year starter we are talking about this is 2 + years combined stats ...... not a " defensive centerpiece "


Look I hope I am wrong , but this guy made his money at the combine not by anything he did on the football field and what worries me this is how you get Bud Dupree's

Funny thing, I thought something similar about TJ Watt after watching his tapes in college. He wasn't fast to the QB, his sacks were mainly clean-up sacks, and any DT with decent technique stymied him. I know, he had transitioned from TE, but that doesn't negate his lack of speed or raw power. Then, he comes into the combine and runs a 4.69 40 yd dash (more speed than I thought he showed in games), and then turned it on in the vertical jump, broad jump, 3 cone drill, 20 yd shuttle, and 60 yd shuttle, earning a "Top Performer" designation for each of them. In pretty much every way, he looked to be Bud Dupree 2.0 to me.

However, he's done rather well for himself. His strength keeps improving and he has shown speed that I simply didn't think existed. So, just because someone has a similar journey or path doesn't mean they'll turn out the same way.

[Dwinsgames]

Funny thing, I thought something similar about TJ Watt after watching his tapes in college. He wasn't fast to the QB, his sacks were mainly clean-up sacks, and any DT with decent technique stymied him. I know, he had transitioned from TE, but that doesn't negate his lack of speed or raw power. Then, he comes into the combine and runs a 4.69 40 yd dash (more speed than I thought he showed in games), and then turned it on in the vertical jump, broad jump, 3 cone drill, 20 yd shuttle, and 60 yd shuttle, earning a "Top Performer" designation for each of them. In pretty much every way, he looked to be Bud Dupree 2.0 to me.

However, he's done rather well for himself. His strength keeps improving and he has shown speed that I simply didn't think existed. So, just because someone has a similar journey or path doesn't mean they'll turn out the same way.

Nothing would please me more than to be 100% wrong

[Craic]

Nothing would please me more than to be 100% wrong

Funny, I said the same thing about TJ Watt as well. :lol:

Oh, and on tackles . . . only three players have had more than 150 tackles, 10 sacks, and 10 pass breakups in college since 2017. Bush was one of those three. To me, that means he was asked to carry a wide load, and did well doing it. He had 80 tackles and 5 sacks this year. And, he was only a junior. I mean, he's only 20 years old, which means he is still five years from peak muscle mass (occurs at age 25).

So, yeah, I am pretty excited to see what he can do. And yeah, I get the hesitancy with some of these picks and hoping I'm wrong. To be honest, I've not watched tape on him. So, I'm willing to change my mind as well. Won't be able to watch a lot of tape on him until the weekend.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

My power went out and I missed it! WTF!?!?! You are never even satisfied about your power company.

[st33lersguy]

Funny thing, I was watching the ESPN telecast and Louis Riddick was discussing options for the Broncos and he mentioned Devin Bush and immediately after he mentions Bush, the board turns from Denver to Pittsburgh

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

how exactly is he going to help change the turnover deficiency of this football team ? Ben just got a new contract so bet still plenty of turnovers to come. Yea don't think Bush matters regarding that.

[Edman]

Yup, the kid is a leader and an alpha dog on the defense. Fast from sideline to sideline. Good in man coverage of backs out of the backfield and a sure tackler. My pro comparison was Jonathan Vilma. I think the lack of height isn't the best for defending the seams in zone coverage, but he should instantly upgrade the rush defense and take away some of the easy passes to backs like how Carolina and McCaffrey burnt Vince Williams last year.

This is a push your chips to the middle of the table move. Steelers know they only have 2 or maybe 3 years with Ben at QB and need a defense that doesn't give up 30 points a game.

The Steelers are currently where the Packers were in the final years of Brett Favre. Holding on to a relic @ quarterback and holding out hope that there will be some last run in the cards.

The Steelers' slim chances in 2019 comes down to the Defense being lights out, and that is it.

[DesertSteel]

the cost was extreme , I HATE it

no way anyone can convince me Devin Bush is better than whomever we could have taken at 20 and 52 combined and we have multiple needs
Louis Riddick, whom I respect, said that pound for pound Bush is the best player in the draft. I'm excited.

[BlackAndGold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aZ7SY9cdE&t=34s

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

As a Michigan fan, your thoughts on his lack of "splash" plays...

Where do you get the lack of "splash plays"? From statistics? I am just asking to get a reference of where you are getting conclusions from.

I think a lot of people that didn't watch Michigan, will just point to stats and don't understand how that defense plays. They had one of the top ranked defenses for most of the year, but the stuff that the talking heads and stat geeks that don't watch games will point to is INT (11 total team), fumbles (4 total team), Defensive TD's(4 team), Sacks 31 total.

Bush had 5 of the team 31 sacks. 5 passes defended of the 33. Don Brown plays an attacking style of defense with his front 7 and plays a ton of man coverage. 9 of 11 INT's were from DB's and all 4 defensive TD's were from DB's. They tackle the RB's on the way to the QB and create pressure and quick throws, then get off the field on 3rd downs. Bush just lead the defense in tackles on one of the top defenses in the nation, where they pressure the QB into making quick throws to receivers in press man.

I think you will see Bush, Gary, Winovich, Lavert Hill and David Long all drafted in the NFL. ITs not like the team was devoid of talent on the defense and Bush had to make the majority of plays. Bush is a great football player, but I still think the Steelers spent a bit much to get ahead of the Bengals, who were going to pick him. But, if they didn't, then who is going to match up with quicker RB's on swing passes like Gio Bernard, or pressure the scrambling QB's like Lamarr Jackson in the AFC North? As a Steeler fan I have nothing to do but cheer for all the best for our new drafted players and Bush is a good one.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Louis Riddick, whom I respect, said that pound for pound Bush is the best player in the draft. I'm excited.

Yeah, I respect Riddick opinion of players a lot. He calls what he sees, not necessarily the stat line. Back when Antowan Blake was having a good game against AJ Green and many liked the scrappy little corner, Riddick was pointing out flaws in his technique that came to show him as a horrible CB.

I never saw that video until now, but I'm more enthused after hearing Riddick talk about Bush's strengths.

[teegre]

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I didn’t watch a single Michigan game (which is why I’m asking you specifically, since I know you follow them).

Yes, in the past month, the talking heads have discussed Bush’s lack of “splash plays”; I believe specifically, Bush not very many tackles for losses (if I recall correctly).

My wondering was as to “why” you think that is. Thank you for your reply.

[Craic]

Just watched a few minutes of highlights on him. My way-too-little-tape-for-analysis analysis is he reminds of a little of TJ Watt coming out of college. He has a good motor and it seems he has great football knowledge. He just knew how to get through the openings and where to be. Also, he diagnosed plays and then moved. That was good to see as well. He also reminded me a bit of an older-school LB that came come down hill and put a smacking on someone. Again, this is based on just a few minutes of tape so it can be wildly inaccurate. But, in the plays chosen to make him look good, he did look good, and not all of it was just from athleticism. It was football knowledge, and that just can't be taught. So, I have hope . . .

[LLT]

Just watched a few minutes of highlights on him. My way-too-little-tape-for-analysis analysis is he reminds of a little of TJ Watt coming out of college. He has a good motor and it seems he has great football knowledge. He just knew how to get through the openings and where to be. Also, he diagnosed plays and then moved. That was good to see as well. He also reminded me a bit of an older-school LB that came come down hill and put a smacking on someone. Again, this is based on just a few minutes of tape so it can be wildly inaccurate. But, in the plays chosen to make him look good, he did look good, and not all of it was just from athleticism. It was football knowledge, and that just can't be taught. So, I have hope . . .

I mentioned this in another thread....but the drafting of Bush makes us better at three positions. He is going to be a great inside linebacker....Barron is an upgrade as a dime linebacker...and Edmunds can now play pure safety. I love this pick. I get why people are concerned about what we gave up in draft picks...but when taking everything into consideration...I'm okay with the price.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Just watched a few minutes of highlights on him. My way-too-little-tape-for-analysis analysis is he reminds of a little of TJ Watt coming out of college. He has a good motor and it seems he has great football knowledge. He just knew how to get through the openings and where to be. Also, he diagnosed plays and then moved. That was good to see as well. He also reminded me a bit of an older-school LB that came come down hill and put a smacking on someone. Again, this is based on just a few minutes of tape so it can be wildly inaccurate. But, in the plays chosen to make him look good, he did look good, and not all of it was just from athleticism. It was football knowledge, and that just can't be taught. So, I have hope . . .

This is consistent with what I watched in games. He has high football IQ, probably diagnoses plays based on film, formations, situational down and distances and pre snap motion. Loves to finish his tackles and hit hard. His football knowledge probably comes from growing up with a father that played in the NFL.

Again, I thought a shorter Jonathan Vilma, you say old school and we want to say Sam Mills. Student of the game, alpha dog leader, his speed and vertical numbers say he is a real good athlete. Nothing not to like about the pick IMO, except some will expect him to be HOF player because he was traded up to get. I think he will be highly productive, but plagued by his draft position in the eyes of some fans...…….just like Timmons was.

[teegre]

http://arizonasports.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/devin-bush.jpg


“That Devin Bush... so hot right now.”

-Mugatu

[EzraTank]

The Steelers are currently where the Packers were in the final years of Brett Favre. Holding on to a relic @ quarterback and holding out hope that there will be some last run in the cards.

The Steelers' slim chances in 2019 comes down to the Defense being lights out, and that is it.

What are you talking about, Ben put up very good numbers last year. And I'm willing to bet his INT's go down this year because AB is gone.

[Shoes]

The thing that scares me most about Bush is that suit...he said he designed it himself. :lol:

[Steeler-in-west]

What are you talking about, Ben put up very good numbers last year. And I'm willing to bet his INT's go down this year because AB is gone.

yeah Ben was forcing it into a double covered AB more than a few times last year. That killed a couple drives.

As far as being where the packers were - I wish. That would mean our rookie QB is going to push Ben near the end of his career for playing time - ala Aaron Rodgers.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

What are you talking about, Ben put up very good numbers last year. And I'm willing to bet his INT's go down this year because AB is gone.

Ben has thrown ill advised INT's long before AB arrived. The shorter, controlled passing game of the past few seasons was keeping him from being hit and minimizing mistakes. The Yes man he has as an OC now will let him throw it a ton, take all the risks he wants, check out of run plays and throw it down the field more. He will likely put up good yardage numbers again and be top 10 in INT's again under this offensive system.

The only question is if this will be another season of avoiding the run game on offense to the point the Steelers put up lots of numbers, but again fail to make the playoffs.

[teegre]

Greg Cosell is one of the smartest football analysts around. He just stated: “The Steelers trading up to get Devin Bush last night was a really good pick. That defense needs that player."

[smokin3000gt]

Can anybody speak to Devin's character as a person? Can we expect him to Diva out the way LB and AB did?

[Born2Steel]

The ONLY thing that will make me mad about this pick is if they give him #50. Other than that LOVE it.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Greg Cosell is one of the smartest football analysts around. He just stated: “The Steelers trading up to get Devin Bush last night was a really good pick. That defense needs that player."

YES...…….and my biggest fear was they stayed pat at 20 and took Mack Wilson. Thankfully it didn't happen.

[AtlantaDan]

Can anybody speak to Devin's character as a person? Can we expect him to Diva out the way LB and AB did?

Hopefully not - but if you are looking for red flags here is one for you :rolleyes:

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[hawaiiansteeler]

I mentioned this in another thread....but the drafting of Bush makes us better at three positions. He is going to be a great inside linebacker....Barron is an upgrade as a dime linebacker...and Edmunds can now play pure safety. I love this pick. I get why people are concerned about what we gave up in draft picks...but when taking everything into consideration...I'm okay with the price.

the more I think about it, so am I now.

it just took a little getting used to, in the history of our franchise have we ever given up this much for a player before? I don't believe so...

[Edman]

What are you talking about, Ben put up very good numbers last year. And I'm willing to bet his INT's go down this year because AB is gone.

Last season was Ben's absolute worst when it came to taking care of the football, he's been getting sloppier each year, and he's good for one poor turnover a game.

Ben led the league in interceptions in 2018 and had several poor drive-killing and game-killing mistakes. He was the single reason why the Steelers tied the Browns and lost the Denver game. With Yes Man Fichtner at OC, and the absolute blessing of the coaching staff and ownership, I don't trust Ben to do the smart thing and run the offense efficiently in 2019, which means more stat-chasing, more gunslinging, even less offensive balance, and of course, more turnovers. I fully expect the Offense to be a glorious trainwreck this season.

This is why it is on the Defense to be lock down this season, if it is anything less, the Steelers are going 8-8 or worse.

[hawaiiansteeler]

This is why it is on the Defense to be lock down this season, if it is anything less, the Steelers are going 8-8 or worse.

Tomlin never goes worse than 8-8 :wink02:

[86WARD]

Can anybody speak to Devin's character as a person? Can we expect him to Diva out the way LB and AB did?

IF he does or any of the draft picks do, Colbert, Tomlin and the whole scouting department and front office should be let go due to not knowing how to evaluate a player...

[hawaiiansteeler]

Bush gets message from family on draft night

Steelers LB Devin Bush gets emotional after hearing his family's message on draft night

https://www.steelers.com/video/bush-gets-message-from-family-on-draft-night

[Born2Steel]

Last season was Ben's absolute worst when it came to taking care of the football, he's been getting sloppier each year, and he's good for one poor turnover a game.

Ben led the league in interceptions in 2018 and had several poor drive-killing and game-killing mistakes. He was the single reason why the Steelers tied the Browns and lost the Denver game. With Yes Man Fichtner at OC, and the absolute blessing of the coaching staff and ownership, I don't trust Ben to do the smart thing and run the offense efficiently in 2019, which means more stat-chasing, more gunslinging, even less offensive balance, and of course, more turnovers. The Offense will be a glorious trainwreck this season.

This is why it is on the Defense to be lock down this season, if it is anything less, the Steelers are going 8-8 or worse.

I really think you're way off the mark. Ben had a 67% completion rate, threw for over 5000 yards, 34 TDs, and averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Ben was 3rd in QBR for the season. I can't find a single video with all 16 INTs but you can find each INT in a separate video if you want to count how many were from tipped ball, WR fault, or Ben's fault. I'm not posting each video since anyone can look them up on their own.

[polamalubeast]

One of the big reasons why Ben led the NFL for interceptions was because he had by far the most pass attempts in the NFL.

Yes, he always took a lot of risks, but I prefer that than a very conservative QB like Alex Smith.

The Pass attempts need to go down, but at the same time it's easier say than done...It also relies in down and the distance and also the score(Like the game against KC, Ben had 35 pass attempts in the first Half), but it was because it was 21-0 after 3 drives. ... And If you're in the 2nd down and 8-10 yards or more, it's rare that it's a good idea to run the football in the Nfl of today,unless than the opponent have a defensive front very light or very bad against the run.

[polamalubeast]

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[steelreserve]

Can anybody speak to Devin's character as a person? Can we expect him to Diva out the way LB and AB did?

Does anyone dress like that who doesn't have an inner diva?

I think the way it usually works is, divas-in-waiting will put their heads down and focus while they have something to prove ... once they have a season good enough to attract league-wide attention, the clock starts ticking and you have three years until they go full-blown. Then that year or the next year is when you get into talk of holdouts and trade demands. Conveniently, this coincides with the end of a R1 rookie contract. Sign such a player to a "real" contract a year early and you will get that year and the next one drama-free before he gets restless again and demands a pay raise. Only what he really means is that you can give him whatever pay raise he wants and he'll still want out because the grass is always greener.

I sure hope this guy just randomly has really weird fashion sense, because the more likely explanation is pretty ugly.

[polamalubeast]

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[stillers4me]

Can anybody speak to Devin's character as a person? Can we expect him to Diva out the way LB and AB did?


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[polamalubeast]

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[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I'm liking the pick now after watching some videos. He tackles like Lambert grabbing the player around the waist and whipping them to the ground.

[BlackAndGold]

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Yes!!! was hoping he would select #55.

[stillers4me]

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[polamalubeast]

Yes!!! was hoping he would select #55.


Maybe this is because of Derrick Brooks...Just to look at post number 91 in this thread.

[BlackAndGold]

Maybe this is because of Derrick Brooks...Just to look at post number 91 in this thread.

Possible but this guy is so similar to Joey Porter(my favorite player ever). Bush is a leader and trash talker just like JP. So hopefully he live up to that #


Also 5+5=10, which was his college number.

[Edman]

I really think you're way off the mark. Ben had a 67% completion rate, threw for over 5000 yards, 34 TDs, and averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Ben was 3rd in QBR for the season. I can't find a single video with all 16 INTs but you can find each INT in a separate video if you want to count how many were from tipped ball, WR fault, or Ben's fault. I'm not posting each video since anyone can look them up on their own.

Here's another good stat: The Steelers also missed the playoffs in 2018, and blew very winnable games that could've changed the course.

We can have this debate all we want, but the Steelers' hopes in 2019 rest on the Defense being better and turning the ball over. Hopefully Devin Bush can change that.

[AtlantaDan]

Does anyone dress like that who doesn't have an inner diva?...

I sure hope this guy just randomly has really weird fashion sense, because the more likely explanation is pretty ugly.

Consider the possibility that when you are 20 years old (Bush turns 21 this summer) and have known for some time you are going to be called to the big stage to shake hands with Roger you might make fashion choices that are more a reflection of being that age than any festering character flaw

[Born2Steel]

Here's another good stat: The Steelers also missed the playoffs in 2018, and blew very winnable games that could've changed the course.

We can have this debate all we want, but the Steelers' hopes in 2019 rest on the Defense being better and turning the ball over, not on Ben. He is who he is at this point.

Like i said before, WAY off the mark.

[86WARD]

Possible but this guy is so similar to Joey Porter(my favorite player ever). Bush is a leader and trash talker just like JP. So hopefully he live up to that #


Also 5+5=10, which was his college number.

Hope he can back it up like Porter...a lot can talk, but not as many can back it up.

[polamalubeast]

Here's another good stat: The Steelers also missed the playoffs in 2018, and blew very winnable games that could've changed the course. Ben is a big reason for that with his turnovers.

We can have this debate all we want, but the Steelers' hopes in 2019 rest on the Defense being better and turning the ball over, not on Ben. He is who he is at this point.

Of course, it's Ben's fault if our offense had the second worst starting position in the NFL and our defense has been atrocious in the clutch for years.

Ben is not perfect, but he has one of the best winning percentage in NFL history for a QB ..... I think only Peyton Manning, Brady and Montana have a better winning percentage than Ben in NFL history with at least 100 starts, or something like that, but you hated Ben even after the steelers were in the super bowl for the 3rd time in his first 7 years.

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But yes, the 2019 season will not only depend on Roethlisberger, otherwise we are in trouble, since this is impossible to have success as a team in a one man team(like the 6-9-1 Green Bay Packers last year).

It's going to take a team effort that we have not had for several years too.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Pittsburgh Steelers: Devin Bush, LB, Michigan A Grade

I love this move. The Steelers have needed a replacement for Ryan Shazier ever since he suffered his horrible spinal injury on that fateful Monday night. There was no way in the world Devin Bush was going to fall to No. 20. Pittsburgh recognized that and made the jump for Bush. The Michigan product is extremely athletic and was highly productive at Michigan. He was also a team captain. He'll instantly establish himself as a team leader for Pittsburgh. I know the Steelers gave up resources to get Bush, yet the 2020 first-round pick wasn't included, which is huge. This was a move the Steelers had to make to restore their defense to its former dominance.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades.php

[teegre]

Pittsburgh Steelers: Devin Bush, LB, Michigan A Grade

I love this move. The Steelers have needed a replacement for Ryan Shazier ever since he suffered his horrible spinal injury on that fateful Monday night. There was no way in the world Devin Bush was going to fall to No. 20. Pittsburgh recognized that and made the jump for Bush. The Michigan product is extremely athletic and was highly productive at Michigan. He was also a team captain. He'll instantly establish himself as a team leader for Pittsburgh. I know the Steelers gave up resources to get Bush, yet the 2020 first-round pick wasn't included, which is huge. This was a move the Steelers had to make to restore their defense to its former dominance.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades.php

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[polamalubeast]

By Gerry Dulac

ILB Devin Bush — The Steelers hit a home run when they moved up 10 spots in the first round to get the Michigan linebacker and instantly repair the hole in the middle of their defense. That alone made the draft a success. Unlike last season, when the Steelers effectively did nothing to fix the biggest problem in their defense, they made sure to get one of the two players they wanted and not make the same mistake again. Bush checks every box of the type of player they have needed to replace Ryan Shazier. Grade: A+

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2019/04/29/pittsburgh-steelers-2019-nfl-draft-class-grades-analysis/stories/201904290093

[43Hitman]

Here's another good stat: The Steelers also missed the playoffs in 2018, and blew very winnable games that could've changed the course.

We can have this debate all we want, but the Steelers' hopes in 2019 rest on the Defense being better and turning the ball over. Hopefully Devin Bush can change that.

AND MAKING FIELD GOALS! Not sure why everyone glosses over this point, its valid and a BIG reason we lost 3 games. The difference between no playoffs and a first round bye.

[BlackAndGold]

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[stillers4me]

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[El-Gonzo Jackson]

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Yeah, but so many would just read that play as Busch tackles Barkley for a 1 yard gain and point out how few TFL that he had compared to Devin White, because that is what ended up on the stat line. There are plays he makes in pass coverage, where it doesn't show up on a stat line, because he got out and covered the RB, so the QB had to check to his next read.

Bush is a good ILB and you have to watch him to know that. Cant just read the draft summaries and compare stats. I think that is why Mack Wilson and Tre Lamar didn't get drafted high, despite all the pre draft hype on the internet.

[BlackAndGold]

Yeah, but so many would just read that play as Busch tackles Barkley for a 1 yard gain and point out how few TFL that he had compared to Devin White, because that is what ended up on the stat line. There are plays he makes in pass coverage, where it doesn't show up on a stat line, because he got out and covered the RB, so the QB had to check to his next read.

Bush is a good ILB and you have to watch him to know that. Cant just read the draft summaries and compare stats. I think that is why Mack Wilson and Tre Lamar didn't get drafted high, despite all the pre draft hype on the internet.

Agreed.

Since drafted I've been watching Michigan defense and seeing the plays Bush make that don't show up on the stat line as you noted.

Another example is the tweets Stillers4me posted. Most of the time that is a play that gets a first down or comes close to it but Bush completely shuts that down.

Here's another play by Bush that won't be shown on the stat sheet. If he's not there Campbell(who ran a 4.31 forty btw) gets that ball for a big play.
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[pczach]

Yeah, but so many would just read that play as Busch tackles Barkley for a 1 yard gain and point out how few TFL that he had compared to Devin White, because that is what ended up on the stat line. There are plays he makes in pass coverage, where it doesn't show up on a stat line, because he got out and covered the RB, so the QB had to check to his next read.

Bush is a good ILB and you have to watch him to know that. Cant just read the draft summaries and compare stats. I think that is why Mack Wilson and Tre Lamar didn't get drafted high, despite all the pre draft hype on the internet.


I made some comments about Bush's lack of plays behind the LOS, but not because I don't believe he has the talent to do it. I had concerns about drafting anyone in the top 10 to play ILB, and not put much on tape where he is reading running plays and instinctively shooting gaps and stuffing RB's inside. My whole point was that if you draft a guy that high, you would think that he would have had to show that he is capable of what they are asking him to do at the next level. He is fantastic at playing inside out. His ability to run down players sideline to sideline is undisputed, and his coverage skills are impressive. In the Steelers scheme, he will be asked to diagnose running plays, shed blocks and make plays. inside and outside. He wasn't asked to do that as much in the Michigan defense and was often in coverage and playing in run-and-chase mode rather than shooting gaps to blow up plays. He was excellent at what he was asked to do in that defense.

That was my only concern about taking him that early. Athletically, he is everything you want.

Do you know what I mean?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Agreed.

Since drafted I've been watching Michigan defense and seeing the plays Bush make that don't show up on the stat line as you noted.

Another example is the tweets Stillers4me posted. Most of the time that is a play that gets a first down or comes close to it but Bush completely shuts that down.

Here's another play by Bush that won't be shown on the stat sheet. If he's not there Campbell(who ran a 4.31 forty btw) gets that ball for a big play.
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...and I bet that is a result of film study and knowing responsibilities. The safety backs off the slot receiver pre snap and takes the deep zone, while the CB ends up in the flat in zone coverage. Bush reads the play action and immediately knows the OLB has the RB and he needs to get deep middle to take away the short zone. IMO, that isn't instinct, but rather he has studied that on film and knew the look.

Still a great illustration of his speed to get depth and disrupt the route/catch. If I find one of him covering a RB running a wheel out of the backfield, the speed and coverage is equally as impressive.

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I made some comments about Bush's lack of plays behind the LOS, but not because I don't believe he has the talent to do it. I had concerns about drafting anyone in the top 10 to play ILB, and not put much on tape where he is reading running plays and instinctively shooting gaps and stuffing RB's inside. My whole point was that if you draft a guy that high, you would think that he would have had to show that he is capable of what they are asking him to do at the next level. He is fantastic at playing inside out. His ability to run down players sideline to sideline is undisputed, and his coverage skills are impressive. In the Steelers scheme, he will be asked to diagnose running plays, shed blocks and make plays. inside and outside. He wasn't asked to do that as much in the Michigan defense and was often in coverage and playing in run-and-chase mode rather than shooting gaps to blow up plays. He was excellent at what he was asked to do in that defense.

That was my only concern about taking him that early. Athletically, he is everything you want.

Do you know what I mean?

I hear what you are saying, but I always look at the Steelers defense is that they have more of a thumper like Williams at the Buck ILB and a faster guy at the Mack. Bush is well suited to the Mack, but still lacks the height to take away the seam passes that Shazier would....but its better than Fort or Bostic playing that IMO.

[pczach]

I hear what you are saying, but I always look at the Steelers defense is that they have more of a thumper like Williams at the Buck ILB and a faster guy at the Mack. Bush is well suited to the Mack, but still lacks the height to take away the seam passes that Shazier would....but its better than Fort or Bostic playing that IMO.


There is no doubt that he's better suited to handle all the things that Fort and Bostic weren't able to do. I think the real test for Bush will be when offenses run right at him. He will have to take on offensive linemen that are able to get to him at the second level and the occasional fullback. Will he be able to make his fair share of plays by shedding those blocks, or by using speed and instincts to beat them to the spot? We'll see soon enough, but I hope he can harness all that football acumen and athleticism and develop into a real problem for offenses across the NFL.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

There is no doubt that he's better suited to handle all the things that Fort and Bostic weren't able to do. I think the real test for Bush will be when offenses run right at him. He will have to take on offensive linemen that are able to get to him at the second level and the occasional fullback. Will he be able to make his fair share of plays by shedding those blocks, or by using speed and instincts to beat them to the spot? We'll see soon enough, but I hope he can harness all that football acumen and athleticism and develop into a real problem for offenses across the NFL.

Generally the Steelers ILB's are going to setup where Williams is on the strong side of the run game to take on larger blockers and Bush should be flowing to the ballcarrier to tackle. If an offense counters to, or combination blocks towards Bush in the run game, he will have to read the play and come downhill to take on the blocker asap, so a hole isn't created. He is well equipped to do that IMO, but if he is 4 yards off the ball and the OG gets to him, he will likely get blocked(as would Williams). Its just tough for 240lb guys to take on 300lb guys and win consistently.

Bush is going to be good for the Steelers. Everybody has weaknesses or physical mismatches at times.

[pczach]

Generally the Steelers ILB's are going to setup where Williams is on the strong side of the run game to take on larger blockers and Bush should be flowing to the ballcarrier to tackle. If an offense counters to, or combination blocks towards Bush in the run game, he will have to read the play and come downhill to take on the blocker asap, so a hole isn't created. He is well equipped to do that IMO, but if he is 4 yards off the ball and the OG gets to him, he will likely get blocked(as would Williams). Its just tough for 240lb guys to take on 300lb guys and win consistently.

Bush is going to be good for the Steelers. Everybody has weaknesses or physical mismatches at times.



I agree. Any LB is going to lose if a guard gets his hands on him. It happens to all ILB's. Here's hoping that he blows up his fair share of plays with recognition, speed, and toughness. I think he will.