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hawaiiansteeler
03-21-2019, 04:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-m6SyXmXc&feature=player_embedded

Edman
03-21-2019, 05:03 PM
Do we need yet another reminder how that season went after that game?

The Steelers never looked or played that good ever again. Sounds to me that they got too high off of their own hype and press clippings and fell apart. Couldn't handle their own success. Sounds like poor leadership to me.

But I what do I know. Ironically the Panthers collapsed after that game too.

vasteeler
03-21-2019, 05:07 PM
Ha ha..."man, stop trippin" & "gosh dangit "

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Do we need yet another reminder how that season went after that game?

The Steelers never looked that good ever again. Sounds to me that they got too high off of their own hype and press clippings and fell apart.

Sounds like poor leadership to me, but I what do I know.
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DesertSteel
03-21-2019, 06:25 PM
Says "Blocked by NFL" when I hit play........

hawaiiansteeler
03-21-2019, 06:34 PM
Says "Blocked by NFL" when I hit play........

click on "Watch on You Tube"

smokin3000gt
03-21-2019, 06:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-m6SyXmXc&feature=player_embedded

Those pieces of shit!


Do we need yet another reminder how that season went after that game?

The Steelers never looked or played that good ever again. Sounds to me that they got too high off of their own hype and press clippings and fell apart. Couldn't handle their own success. Sounds like poor leadership to me.

But I what do I know. Ironically the Panthers collapsed after that game too.


:rolleyes:

st33lersguy
03-21-2019, 06:55 PM
No one ever accused Tomlin of not being an emotional ra-ra type of guy.

Shoes
03-21-2019, 08:07 PM
always thought this was funny.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233157/article/joe-flacco-says-ray-lewis-speeches-didnt-make-sense

tube517
03-21-2019, 09:50 PM
always thought this was funny.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233157/article/joe-flacco-says-ray-lewis-speeches-didnt-make-senseBert is correct. Lewis never made any sense. Not always the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

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Shoes
03-21-2019, 09:50 PM
Bert is correct. Lewis never made any sense. Not always the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

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I see what you did there! :chuckle:

Bluecoat96
03-22-2019, 05:37 AM
For sure. His Hof speech really left me confused....but hey....he was passionate. And sweaty. Really sweaty.

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teegre
03-22-2019, 06:34 AM
always thought this was funny.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233157/article/joe-flacco-says-ray-lewis-speeches-didnt-make-sense

The Knife’s ramblings always made me think of this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtDR-xEVqKc&app=desktop

86WARD
03-22-2019, 07:45 AM
Half of Tomlin’s leadership comes from behind closed doors. I think that’s what is mostly in question with him and his sidekick Colbert.

Born2Steel
03-22-2019, 08:05 AM
Yesteday on the way home from work there was a dead racoon in the road.

Hawkman
03-22-2019, 08:13 AM
Bert is correct. Lewis never made any sense. Not always the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

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Does anyone give credit to the half dull knife........just wondering........it is the off season?

Fire Goodell
03-22-2019, 11:15 AM
I hope this season is gonna be our version of spygate where we take all this disrespect out on teams we play and smash them

FrancoLambert
03-22-2019, 11:21 AM
Do we need yet another reminder how that season went after that game?

The Steelers never looked or played that good ever again. Sounds to me that they got too high off of their own hype and press clippings and fell apart. Couldn't handle their own success. Sounds like poor leadership to me.

But I what do I know. Ironically the Panthers collapsed after that game too.

Mystery solved. The season went down the tubes after that game because we exhausted all of our bluster.

tube517
03-22-2019, 01:00 PM
Does anyone give credit to the half dull knife........just wondering........it is the off season?

I"m sure Ray would take a stab at it...

Hawkman
03-23-2019, 08:22 AM
I"m sure Ray would take a stab at it...

:chuckle:

Born2Steel
03-23-2019, 09:14 AM
Can one of these 'bad culture' fans please explain to me why they think any game day goes any differently than that on the Steelers sideline? Football is not what your Madden game says it is, it is not what fantasy sports click says it is, football is played by guys that work together. When guys stop trying to be part of the team is when it goes bad. Has little to do with that man running things in the cool shades. Has everything to do with that guy that quit on US. Need more guys that play for team(it's not a quality you teach btw) and we keep moving forward. Football is and always will be just football. Nothing bigger than that.

DesertSteel
03-23-2019, 11:29 AM
Can one of these 'bad culture' fans please explain to me why they think any game day goes any differently than that on the Steelers sideline? Football is not what your Madden game says it is, it is not what fantasy sports click says it is, football is played by guys that work together. When guys stop trying to be part of the team is when it goes bad. Has little to do with that man running things in the cool shades. Has everything to do with that guy that quit on US. Need more guys that play for team(it's not a quality you teach btw) and we keep moving forward. Football is and always will be just football. Nothing bigger than that.
But that's what bad culture is, so I don't understand your question.

Born2Steel
03-23-2019, 11:32 AM
But that's what bad culture is, so I don't understand your question.

Explain how it gets blamed on Tomlin or Ben. I know the thread title is ironic, but that has been the overall blame game on here.

DesertSteel
03-23-2019, 04:56 PM
Explain how it gets blamed on Tomlin or Ben. I know the thread title is ironic, but that has been the overall blame game on here.
Behavior is on the player. Culture is on the leader. That’s Culture 101.

hawaiiansteeler
03-24-2019, 01:54 AM
No one ever accused Tomlin of not being an emotional ra-ra type of guy.

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Born2Steel
03-24-2019, 09:50 AM
Behavior is on the player. Culture is on the leader. That’s Culture 101.

Got it. So now that I pass 101 what is Culture 201?

86WARD
03-24-2019, 11:27 AM
http://team.fastmodelsports.com/2018/05/23/locker-room-culture-success/

DesertSteel
03-24-2019, 02:43 PM
Got it. So now that I pass 101 what is Culture 201?
Enforcing the boundaries with EVERY PLAYER - even the star ones. I get it that Jimmy Johnson treated the triplets different and so on. But they were winning Super Bowls. Until that happens again in Pittsburgh, no exceptions. Privileges are earned - and not just through stats. I'm not trying to be condescending at all - it's just my strong opinion about culture and leadership.

Mojouw
03-24-2019, 02:58 PM
Enforcing the boundaries with EVERY PLAYER - even the star ones. I get it that Jimmy Johnson treated the triplets different and so on. But they were winning Super Bowls. Until that happens again in Pittsburgh, no exceptions. Privileges are earned - and not just through stats. I'm not trying to be condescending at all - it's just my strong opinion about culture and leadership.

I've never been part of a team or organization where the rules are the same for everyone. maybe the military?

I'm just wondering if what you're advocating for ever really takes place?

DesertSteel
03-24-2019, 03:43 PM
I've never been part of a team or organization where the rules are the same for everyone. maybe the military?

I'm just wondering if what you're advocating for ever really takes place?

I expect that it does in some places. Certainly the variances aren't always as great as they were in Pittsburgh in recent years.

Mojouw
03-24-2019, 04:03 PM
I expect that it does in some places. Certainly the variances aren't always as great as they were in Pittsburgh in recent years.

That's hopefully true.

Interesting question. Yes or no. Has anyone ever worked for anyplace where certain people didn't have the same rules as everyone else?

I never have.

DesertSteel
03-24-2019, 04:12 PM
That's hopefully true.

Interesting question. Yes or no. Has anyone ever worked for anyplace where certain people didn't have the same rules as everyone else?

I never have.
Most of my career has been in management so I see it differently than lots of employees do. From my perspective I try to always be fair but to the guy who puts in half-effort but thinks he should be promoted because he's been there longest, he probably thinks it politics. Everyone has a perspective and all you can do is your best to treat people equally. All I'm saying is that I'm dead set against letting some star players show up 10 minutes late to meetings while fining other players. It's wrong in every way and comes back to bite you.

Dwinsgames
03-25-2019, 01:42 PM
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Mojouw
03-25-2019, 01:53 PM
Most of my career has been in management so I see it differently than lots of employees do. From my perspective I try to always be fair but to the guy who puts in half-effort but thinks he should be promoted because he's been there longest, he probably thinks it politics. Everyone has a perspective and all you can do is your best to treat people equally. All I'm saying is that I'm dead set against letting some star players show up 10 minutes late to meetings while fining other players. It's wrong in every way and comes back to bite you.

I can see the different POV thing. But, for me, I have been the lowest guy and the guy who basically runs the day to day as well as everything in between. In all cases, there were different rules for different folks. Worked in a small shop where everyone had to produce each day in order for it to all work out. Some folks had to be allowed to go about their work in a different way than everyone else in order to get the most production out of them each day. Basically, special treatment. Worked other places where some employees were just better at their job than others, so they got away with more.

I think that in theory, your right. But I wonder if that theory is ever able to be put into 100% practice?

Dwinsgames
03-25-2019, 02:42 PM
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maybe , just maybe tells it how it is ... maybe just maybe he gets a bad rap for " having a grudge " when in fact he is just doing his best to say what he knows ....

I won't pretend to know but it would have been easy for him to pile it on and he did quite the opposite

FrancoLambert
03-25-2019, 04:48 PM
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maybe , just maybe tells it how it is ... maybe just maybe he gets a bad rap for " having a grudge " when in fact he is just doing his best to say what he knows ....

I won't pretend to know but it would have been easy for him to pile it on and he did quite the opposite

When Harrison criticized Tomlin previously, his criticisms seemed legitimate and objective to me.
He sounded like a guy who was just reporting what he saw.
Sounds like more of the same.

DesertSteel
03-25-2019, 05:55 PM
I can see the different POV thing. But, for me, I have been the lowest guy and the guy who basically runs the day to day as well as everything in between. In all cases, there were different rules for different folks. Worked in a small shop where everyone had to produce each day in order for it to all work out. Some folks had to be allowed to go about their work in a different way than everyone else in order to get the most production out of them each day. Basically, special treatment. Worked other places where some employees were just better at their job than others, so they got away with more.

I think that in theory, your right. But I wonder if that theory is ever able to be put into 100% practice?

If it’s ever going to work it will be in sports. Because sports in no way resembles real life. It’s nothing more than a metaphor, a game. I think Tom Couglin had the same rules for everybody. He might be the most recent example.

Fire Goodell
03-25-2019, 06:22 PM
Maybe James knows he wouldn't have those shiny SB rings without Ben, so there's some respect. Though that 2nd ring was also in big part to James' outstanding play at the end of the 1st half

st33lersguy
03-25-2019, 07:37 PM
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maybe , just maybe tells it how it is ... maybe just maybe he gets a bad rap for " having a grudge " when in fact he is just doing his best to say what he knows ....

I won't pretend to know but it would have been easy for him to pile it on and he did quite the opposite

That reflects greatly on Ben coming from Mr. I bitched my way off the team and signed with the Patriots and now I hold a grudge against them and want to shit on them every chance I get.

Dwinsgames
03-25-2019, 10:28 PM
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Mojouw
03-25-2019, 10:36 PM
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Weren't these the exact same talking heads who were saying it was Ben's fault like a month ago?

What a joke.

Craic
03-25-2019, 10:48 PM
Weren't these the exact same talking heads who were saying it was Ben's fault like a month ago?

What a joke.
I don't think Carter was. Carter seems to have towed a pretty steady line on this iirc.

Mojouw
03-25-2019, 11:19 PM
I don't think Carter was. Carter seems to have towed a pretty steady line on this iirc.

Must be confusing my talking heads.

stillers4me
03-26-2019, 05:46 AM
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And then there's AB....

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hawaiiansteeler
03-26-2019, 10:08 PM
All The Times Roethlisberger Has Been Called A Good Leader By Teammates, Coaches

By Daniel Valente
Posted on March 26, 2019

This offseason has been filled with surprises at every corner – superstar wide receivers getting traded, a shocking un-retirement of a veteran tight end, the retirement of a great tight end and even an NFL owner facing prostitution charges. Despite all these twists and turns, there has been one consistent theme hammered home by mainstream media, that is the bashing of current Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

The criticism of Roethlisberger’s leadership took off with Antonio Brown’s exit but since then the criticism has only amplified in magnitude, as it seems almost every former teammate and analyst are getting in line to offer their opinion on Roethlisberger’s leadership. With the criticism almost reaching a point of being overbearing and tiresome, I thought I would compile a list of occurrences in which Roethlisberger’s leadership has been praised in order to balance out the conversation.

Here are 16 times that Roethlisberger’s leadership has been praised by teammates and coaches.

to read rest of article:

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/03/all-the-times-roethlisberger-has-been-called-a-good-leader-by-teammates-coaches/

AtlantaDan
03-27-2019, 07:50 AM
AB responds to JuJu, Conner & Washington voicing support for Ben :coffee:

He appeared to chide the ex-teammates who expressed public support (https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2019/03/25/james-harrison-ben-roethlisberger-leadership-ryan-shazier-james-washington-steelers/stories/201903250090) for Ben Roethlisberger on Tuesday in opposition to criticism of the Steelers quarterback from Brown, former teammate Le’Veon Bell and some national pundits in recent weeks.
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https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2019/03/26/nfl-free-agency-rumors-news-antonio-brown-new-england-patriots/stories/201903260146

So much for the theory AB was trashing teammates solely as a tactic to force a trade

Born2Steel
03-27-2019, 08:24 AM
AB didn’t post that. Punctuation? Actual English words? Even if wrong the attempt was there. Very unAB-like.

86WARD
03-27-2019, 11:59 AM
He’s lost his shit...big time...

Fire Goodell
03-27-2019, 12:13 PM
Did Donald Trump hack his twitter acct? :chuckle:

DesertSteel
03-27-2019, 07:27 PM
AB didn’t post that. Punctuation? Actual English words? Even if wrong the attempt was there. Very unAB-like.
You call that good grammar lol? Better than AB but still atrocious.

teegre
03-28-2019, 06:44 AM
You call that good grammar lol? Better than AB but still atrocious.

On a scale of Abraham to Gabe, that was definitely closer to Gabe’s side.

#usmovie

Born2Steel
03-28-2019, 08:14 AM
You call that good grammar lol? Better than AB but still atrocious.

Maybe I ain’t no English major and I wouldn’t call that “good grammar” but it looks like somebody made the attempt. That is more credit than I will give AB. Shows me that is somebody else’s tweet.

AtlantaDan
03-28-2019, 09:23 AM
Maybe I ain’t no English major and I wouldn’t call that “good grammar” but it looks like somebody made the attempt. That is more credit than I will give AB. Shows me that is somebody else’s tweet.

So Rosenhaus cleaned up AB's attack on his former teammates? :noidea:

Still likely it was AB's idea, regardless of who the ghost editor/tweeter may be

tube517
03-28-2019, 10:27 AM
Tomlin and Ben would turn Red Cross volunteers into hostages.

stillers4me
03-28-2019, 05:01 PM
Hell just froze over. But I'm not sure if losing Jerome Brown will break us.:huh:

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smokin3000gt
03-28-2019, 11:39 PM
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It was decent of TB to take a minute and talk to this guy. I'd hate to be bothered with a camera in my face when I'm traveling and looking like shit.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
03-29-2019, 01:07 AM
It was decent of TB to take a minute and talk to this guy. I'd hate to be bothered with a camera in my face when I'm traveling and looking like shit. At least TB was cool enough to say what he said when asked. He could have said no comment!

zulater
03-29-2019, 08:32 PM
All The Times Roethlisberger Has Been Called A Good Leader By Teammates, Coaches

By Daniel Valente
Posted on March 26, 2019

This offseason has been filled with surprises at every corner – superstar wide receivers getting traded, a shocking un-retirement of a veteran tight end, the retirement of a great tight end and even an NFL owner facing prostitution charges. Despite all these twists and turns, there has been one consistent theme hammered home by mainstream media, that is the bashing of current Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

The criticism of Roethlisberger’s leadership took off with Antonio Brown’s exit but since then the criticism has only amplified in magnitude, as it seems almost every former teammate and analyst are getting in line to offer their opinion on Roethlisberger’s leadership. With the criticism almost reaching a point of being overbearing and tiresome, I thought I would compile a list of occurrences in which Roethlisberger’s leadership has been praised in order to balance out the conversation.

Here are 16 times that Roethlisberger’s leadership has been praised by teammates and coaches.

to read rest of article:

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/03/all-the-times-roethlisberger-has-been-called-a-good-leader-by-teammates-coaches/

Nice

hawaiiansteeler
03-30-2019, 09:45 PM
At least TB was cool enough to say what he said when asked. He could have said no comment!

I was actually surprised Terry said that, I know deep down he doesn't really like Ben.