Steelers sign WR Donte Moncrief to a 2 year contract.

[BlackAndGold]

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[Dwinsgames]

I like it ... was a big Moncrief fan pre draft

[Fire Goodell]

SUPERBOWL!!!

In all seriousness, I like this signing. Dude should be sort of like a Jerricho Cotchery type of player for us

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Good pickup. Has vertical speed and at 6'2" is good size receiver. Still only 25 years old too. WR room just got a bit more experienced, talented and bigger.

Steelers addressed WR, CB and OLB with the Dupree and Chickillo contracts as well. Setting themselves up to find the best RD1 ILB or TE in the draft I think.

[Fire Goodell]

Good pickup. Has vertical speed and at 6'2" is good size receiver. Still only 25 years old too. WR room just got a bit more experienced, talented and bigger.

Steelers addressed WR, CB and OLB with the Dupree and Chickillo contracts as well. Setting themselves up to find the best RD1 ILB or TE in the draft I think.

I hope we address TE in the first 3 rounds. I miss having a beast at TE, although McDonald *could* be that guy... I just need him to go through another season without the injury bug before I really believe in him.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

SUPERBOWL!!!

In all seriousness, I like this signing. Dude should be sort of like a Jerricho Cotchery type of player for us

I like it too, but different player than Cotchery. Moncrief ran a 4.4 at 6'2" -220lbs. The guy has vertical speed and good hands, but also runs crossing routes well. Cotchery kind of was that gritty route runner that worked the slot, but didn't have that kind of speed or height that I can recall.

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I hope we address TE in the first 3 rounds. I miss having a beast at TE, although McDonald *could* be that guy... I just need him to go through another season without the injury bug before I really believe in him.

McDonald will be 29 year old in his 7th season this fall. He is what he is and he doesn't have to prove what he is for me to believe in him. He is what he is and that is a #2 TE with inconsistent hands and health. He isn't the receiving talent that the top 3 TE's in the draft are and I would have no problem if the Steelers were able to draft Smith or Fant, as I think Hockensen will be gone early.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Not bad and like him and this means bye to Hunter most likely.

[BEERgods225]

I like this pick up. He's young, cheap, quick, decent hands, and I think could provide a little depth.

RD1 - ILB - Devin Bush - Michigan
RD2 - S - Chauncey Gardner-Johnson - Florida
RD3 - (f/Oak) - WR - Riley Ridley - Georgia
RD3 - CB - Trayvon Mullen - Clemson
RD4 - TE - Caleb Wilson - UCLA
RD5 - (f/Oak) - DE/OLB - Christian Miller - Alabama
RD5 - (TRADED to Oak then BUF)
RD6 - (f/Oak) - RB - LJ Scott - Michigan St.
RD6 - CB - Jamal Peters - Miss. St.
RD6 - (f/Ari) - OG - Ben Powers - Oklahoma
RD7 - (f/TB) - OT - Mitch Hyatt - Clemson
RD7 - (TRADED to Cle then Mia then Det)


With or without Moncrief or Nelson we still need to bring in talent and depth.

WR ROOM as it sets
Juju Smith Shuster
Donte Moncrief
Ryan Switzer
James Washington
Eli Rogers
Trey Griffey
Tevin Jones
Deontae Spencer
Ka'Ruan White

CB Class as of now
Joe Haden
Steven Nelson
Mike Hilton
Cam Sutton
Herb Walters
Artie Burns

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I still think they need to go TE or WR in the first two rounds, I hope it is TE!

[Mojouw]

Not bad at all. Fits the role more than others on the market.

Colbert doing his usual. Collecting enough okayish players that he doesn’t need to force a pick at a specific position on draft day.

Really hope they still find a way to adding to LB group.

[BlackAndGold]

Not bad at all. Fits the role more than others on the market.

Colbert doing his usual. Collecting enough okayish players that he doesn’t need to force a pick at a specific position on draft day.

Really hope they still find a way to adding to LB group.

They may find a LB to add via FA but this is setting up a trade in the draft. White or Bush is the targets.

[Mojouw]

They may find a LB to add via FA but this is setting up a trade in the draft. White or Bush is the targets.

Yeah. I hope they do both.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

They may find a LB to add via FA but this is setting up a trade in the draft. White or Bush is the targets.

I'm still thinking that Devin Bush will be there at #20 and they can trade up with their 3rd and 5th from AB trade to the 2nd round to target Irv Smith Jr if he is left on the board near the top of the 2nd.

[Fire Goodell]

If we can't get Bush, I wouldn't mind Germaine Pratt in rd. 3

or if we're intent on getting a fast ILB David Long perhaps rd. 2 or 3?

[BlackAndGold]

I'm still thinking that Devin Bush will be there at #20 and they can trade up with their 3rd and 5th from AB trade to the 2nd round to target Irv Smith Jr if he is left on the board near the top of the 2nd.

I believe it's possible also but not sure the Steelers take the chance of hoping he is there.

[86WARD]

While I like the signing, it still leaves a void at the WR2 spot unless Washington can step up or they draft a guy.

So here’s a possible issue...Moncrief brings nothing to special teams.

JuJu, Washington, Moncrief, Switzer and Rogers. Again, other than Switzer’s return game, those guys bring little to nothing to special teams...if they draft a 6th guy, are they going to bump someone (Rogers) from the roster to carry DHB for another season?

[pczach]

This is a very good signing. He is an underappreciated talent.

He has a lot of ability and he does have a lot of the things the team is looking for. I love his size and speed.

He has not had a quarterback like Ben throwing him the football since he figured the game out. I expect him to be a very good signing and a productive player once he gets up to speed with the offense.

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While I like the signing, it still leaves a void at the WR2 spot unless Washington can step up or they draft a guy.

So here’s a possible issue...Moncrief brings nothing to special teams.

JuJu, Washington, Moncrief, Switzer and Rogers. Again, other than Switzer’s return game, those guys bring little to nothing to special teams...if they draft a 6th guy, are they going to bump someone (Rogers) from the roster to carry DHB for another season?


Brian Allen showed he could be a very good special teams player. I believe he took over DHB's spot in kick coverage when DHB was hurt and had a big game on the coverage team last year.

[tube517]

48-668-3 w/Blake Bortles.

25 yrs old.

I'll take it.

[JayC]

if he can get 668 with bortles, i think he could get about 1000 yards if he stays healthy and gets a good amount of snaps, but if JW steps up then maybe not.

overall im happy with this pickup.

[86WARD]

This is a very good signing. He is an underappreciated talent.

He has a lot of ability and he does have a lot of the things the team is looking for. I love his size and speed.

He has not had a quarterback like Ben throwing him the football since he figured the game out. I expect him to be a very good signing and a productive player once he gets up to speed with the offense.

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Brian Allen showed he could be a very good special teams player. I believe he took over DHB's spot in kick coverage when DHB was hurt and had a big game on the coverage team last year.

I’d always been a fan of DHB on STs and his attitude in the locker room but I feel his time is up as far as just being a ST guy and a less than occasional “Go Route Receiver”. With big Red, Nix and Allen, the team has enough ST specialists that DHB can’t take up a skill spot anymore.

[NCSteeler]

His stats are quite good when you consider he played with bortles and a slew of losers while Luck was hurt

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[Born2Steel]

Moncrief improves the WR room. More than Tate would have, IMO.

[steelreserve]

Steelers addressed WR, CB and OLB with the Dupree and Chickillo contracts as well. Setting themselves up to find the best RD1 ILB or TE in the draft I think.

Yeah, uh ... the same way they "addressed" our problems at punter ...

[munchy]

i like the signing as long as the money is reasonable.................definitely gives us draft day flexibility

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Yeah, uh ... the same way they "addressed" our problems at punter ...

Obviously cannot spend cap space on high priced free agents everywhere, especially with $21million in dead cap this year from AB. They shored up depth in the relative short term of the next season or 2 and who knows how the draft will unfold.

I would say that if we are wringing hands over the punter, reserve OLB and what next......the 3rd string QB? It might be prudent to take a step back and look at the big picture.

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Moncrief improves the WR room. More than Tate would have, IMO.

I think Tate and his RAC ability and proven track record are much better than Moncrief. Moncrief is likely a less expensive option and more the vertical threat that JuJu isn't.

[steelreserve]

Obviously cannot spend cap space on high priced free agents everywhere, especially with $21million in dead cap this year from AB. They shored up depth in the relative short term of the next season or 2 and who knows how the draft will unfold.

I would say that if we are wringing hands over the punter, reserve OLB and what next......the 3rd string QB? It might be prudent to take a step back and look at the big picture.

I meant more like ... if we kind of sucked at those positions already, signing the same players for more money is not "shoring up" anything, and is certainly not a "win."

If anything, it just hurts our ability to actually improve the situation at those positions or elsewhere.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I meant more like ... if we kind of sucked at those positions already, signing the same players for more money is not "shoring up" anything, and is certainly not a "win."

If anything, it just hurts our ability to actually improve the situation at those positions or elsewhere. But did we actually suck at backup OLB and ROLB? Or did those players do their job adequately enough to earn a 1 year or 2 year deal, while they either prove they can perform better, or their replacement is drafted in 2019, or found in FA with much more cap space in 2020?

[86WARD]

Moncrief improves the WR room. More than Tate would have, IMO.

Absolutely

[Shoes]

Good deal...now Hockenson, if he's gone Fant. Don't even waste a pick on a TE past R3

[Fire Goodell]

Good deal...now Hockenson, if he's gone Fant

I wouldn't complain, I would love to have a solid TE. But with Fort gone, I'm worried about the ILB position even more than before. With that said, I'm sure we address it.

[steelreserve]

But did we actually suck at backup OLB and ROLB?

yes, pretty much


Or did those players do their job adequately enough to earn a 1 year or 2 year deal

Not in my opinion. Maybe for half that much


while they either prove they can perform better

spoiler: they won't


or their replacement is drafted in 2019

that's what we should be doing anyway, no need to keep them around at that price while we do it (I would not expect any performance drop from Dupree to, say, a 3rd-round rookie)


or found in FA with much more cap space in 2020?

why not find them now. For $13.2M, we'd need to find a below-average player and a league-minimum guy. Not a tall order.

Or better yet, just draft a guy in the middle rounds to replace Dupree and sign a street free agent instead of Chickillo. There, same talent level and production and you have $12M to go find something else you need.

The salary cap was explicitly designed so that you have to release players like this.

[Fire Goodell]

Maybe signing Chickillo was to prevent him from being an intel spy for the Patriots******

[Mojouw]

yes, pretty much



Not in my opinion. Maybe for half that much



spoiler: they won't



that's what we should be doing anyway, no need to keep them around at that price while we do it (I would not expect any performance drop from Dupree to, say, a 3rd-round rookie)



why not find them now. For $13.2M, we'd need to find a below-average player and a league-minimum guy. Not a tall order.

Or better yet, just draft a guy in the middle rounds to replace Dupree and sign a street free agent instead of Chickillo. There, same talent level and production and you have $12M to go find something else you need.

The salary cap was explicitly designed so that you have to release players like this.

Zero teams in the NFL enact the roster construction approach you are advocating. I am not aware of any team that would enter the draft with only one "capable" player on their entire roster at a given position. Everyone signs someone, anyone, that can potentially go out there and play each spot so that you don't have a massive hole on your roster with no plan if the draft doesn't break right for you.

Additionally, you present assumptions about costs of signing replacements that has yet to be demonstrated. So far, Chickillo is the cheapest FA OLB that has signed a 2019 contract. That may not even last out the day, but it is, to the best of my knowledge, where things are at right now.

[Steeldude]

I still think they need to go TE or WR in the first two rounds, I hope it is TE!

After signing Moncrief I wouldn't go WR in the first 4 rounds.

[86WARD]

I definitely do...unless you have confidence in Washington. Which I don’t.

[steelreserve]

Zero teams in the NFL enact the roster construction approach you are advocating. I am not aware of any team that would enter the draft with only one "capable" player on their entire roster at a given position. Everyone signs someone, anyone, that can potentially go out there and play each spot so that you don't have a massive hole on your roster with no plan if the draft doesn't break right for you.

Additionally, you present assumptions about costs of signing replacements that has yet to be demonstrated. So far, Chickillo is the cheapest FA OLB that has signed a 2019 contract. That may not even last out the day, but it is, to the best of my knowledge, where things are at right now.

Every year, many players at all positions sign minimum contracts. Of course you're not going to have any right at the start - why would you sign a minimum contract now if you are a player, even a street-level free agent? You can nab a minimum contract any time between now and training camp, but right now you might luck into a Chickillo deal.

Chickillo is not even a roster hole. If you don't have a player filling that spot adter the draft, that's a league-minimum guy or an UDFA. Those players exist and they are everywhere. Perhaps that says something about our previous state of affairs that we do not want to admit, but the situation is what it is, and paying a minimum-salary guy $4M does not mean that he was (is) not one.

We are talking about a shortage of one player: who would replace Dupree. Plenty of teams in the NFL enact the roster approach I am advocating. You are short one player at a position and you draft one. I fail to see what is so outlandish about that. It's not as if either one of those moves is a high-stakes gamble.

It's like ... "Oh no, what would I ever do if I didn't have my 1998 Volkswagen Passat with a blown head gasket? I might have to find a new car! omg I'm SCREWED - what if it broke down??"

"lol, who even cares? Just find any car for like 4 grand, that one's junk."

"But it's a CAR!"

"Plenty of cars in the world."

"But I don't have the money for a new car! I already have to spend $22,000 to fix this one first!"

"You know there's an easier way to do that, right?"

"WHAT??? Explain how."

"Just get the other car. You know, with that $22,000, you could get a pretty good car, or you could try out three or four cars and just keep the one that's best."

(rocking while holding knees to chest) "nope nope nope ... never work, never work. No new cars. There's no new cars."

"I don't understand. Used cars come up for sale every day. Is there any reason you have to keep pouring money into that broken-down Passat?"

"YES! Because it's A CAR!!! Duh!!!"

"Uh, all right then."

"Ok. I have to go step around all these piles of junk now and go feed my 170 cats." (whispering) "you're safe, my pretty. safe, my pretty."

[Steeldude]

I definitely do...unless you have confidence in Washington. Which I don’t.

More pressing needs in the first two rounds than grabbing a WR, in my opinion. ILB, OLB , S, TE

[Dwinsgames]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmOfe2uGgPU&feature=youtu.be

[DesertSteel]

Not bad at all. Fits the role more than others on the market.

Colbert doing his usual. Collecting enough okayish players that he doesn’t need to force a pick at a specific position on draft day.

Really hope they still find a way to adding to LB group.
That may be Colbert’s strongest suit.

[DesertSteel]

What are the $$ on this deal??

[tube517]

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[Dwinsgames]

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well that can't possibly be true , Ben wouldnt wanna hang out with a WR just ask AB

[Dwinsgames]

Zero teams in the NFL enact the roster construction approach you are advocating. I am not aware of any team that would enter the draft with only one "capable" player on their entire roster at a given position. Everyone signs someone, anyone, that can potentially go out there and play each spot so that you don't have a massive hole on your roster with no plan if the draft doesn't break right for you.

Additionally, you present assumptions about costs of signing replacements that has yet to be demonstrated. So far, Chickillo is the cheapest FA OLB that has signed a 2019 contract. That may not even last out the day, but it is, to the best of my knowledge, where things are at right now.

where I do agree with him is I would not have paid Dupree , I would have instead signed Hicks ( huge upgrade at ILB for less money ) in fact hicks and Chicky for almost the same money as dupree ....

go into the draft looking for a OLB instead ... more Rush OLBs to be had than sideline to sideline coverage ILBs ...

so I get 2 roster spots filled with Duprees money and still have Chicky's contract money in my hand for someone else ( perhaps Houston ) to mentor my rookie ...


that IMO would have been a better plan


consequently the 3.5 million saved would have signed HaHa Clinton Dix

[DesertSteel]

BBQ at Ben’s house tonight!

[Mojouw]

where I do agree with him is I would not have paid Dupree , I would have instead signed Hicks ( huge upgrade at ILB for less money ) in fact hicks and Chicky for almost the same money as dupree ....

go into the draft looking for a OLB instead ... more Rush OLBs to be had than sideline to sideline coverage ILBs ...

so I get 2 roster spots filled with Duprees money and still have Chicky's contract money in my hand for someone else ( perhaps Houston ) to mentor my rookie ...


that IMO would have been a better plan

I've never been confused by the plan. I understand it and agree with it to a degree. But not a single NFL team would ever follow that blueprint. Outside of QB, no team is ever going to go into draft day with a position where if they had to play a game that day they would not have a starter - however crappy or overpaid.

Bottom line - sign Dupree, cut him, or fire him into the sun -- someone was going to be paid by the Pittsburgh Steelers to play OLB on the other side of Watt between the start of the league year and draft day. They were also going to pay someone who has taken more than the 9 regular season snaps that Alpabet soup has to be the top OLB back-up They were paying someone to do that no matter what. At present, Dupree and Chick-filet at $13 million is cheaper than what ANY other OLBs have signed for in the current FA period.

Cut whoever and sign whoever else, but no way they were going into the draft with the depth chart reading: Watt/Chickillo/Alphabet Soup/Practice Squad Dudes.

They would have needed to sign someone. So far, those "someones" have cost between 16-20 million in guaranteed cash.

[munchy]

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what a lousy leader

[Born2Steel]

I've never been confused by the plan. I understand it and agree with it to a degree. But not a single NFL team would ever follow that blueprint. Outside of QB, no team is ever going to go into draft day with a position where if they had to play a game that day they would not have a starter - however crappy or overpaid.

Bottom line - sign Dupree, cut him, or fire him into the sun -- someone was going to be paid by the Pittsburgh Steelers to play OLB on the other side of Watt between the start of the league year and draft day. They were also going to pay someone who has taken more than the 9 regular season snaps that Alpabet soup has to be the top OLB back-up They were paying someone to do that no matter what. At present, Dupree and Chick-filet at $13 million is cheaper than what ANY other OLBs have signed for in the current FA period.

Cut whoever and sign whoever else, but no way they were going into the draft with the depth chart reading: Watt/Chickillo/Alphabet Soup/Practice Squad Dudes.

They would have needed to sign someone. So far, those "someones" have cost between 16-20 million in guaranteed cash.

This is my read as well. Yes there are other guys I would rather sign but not at the going price. You simply cannot enter into the draft with a ‘must fill’ role(other than QB). Plus I think players like Chickillo are worth more than most of you guys do apparently. $4M is a decent price for him IMO. I hate Dupree’s contract like everyone else. I could be happy with Bud on a 2year $9.2M. I think that would be cheap for him.

[Dwinsgames]

I've never been confused by the plan. I understand it and agree with it to a degree. But not a single NFL team would ever follow that blueprint. Outside of QB, no team is ever going to go into draft day with a position where if they had to play a game that day they would not have a starter - however crappy or overpaid.

Bottom line - sign Dupree, cut him, or fire him into the sun -- someone was going to be paid by the Pittsburgh Steelers to play OLB on the other side of Watt between the start of the league year and draft day. They were also going to pay someone who has taken more than the 9 regular season snaps that Alpabet soup has to be the top OLB back-up They were paying someone to do that no matter what. At present, Dupree and Chick-filet at $13 million is cheaper than what ANY other OLBs have signed for in the current FA period.

Cut whoever and sign whoever else, but no way they were going into the draft with the depth chart reading: Watt/Chickillo/Alphabet Soup/Practice Squad Dudes.

They would have needed to sign someone. So far, those "someones" have cost between 16-20 million in guaranteed cash.

Houston just followed 4 steelers ...

[86WARD]

Houston just followed 4 steelers ...

Interesting...

Shazier, Pouncey, Haden and Nelson

[Devil's D]

After watching this highlight video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDRP7DIxrZE

I’m even happier about the signing. If nothing else, it is a great defensive move…..he will not be scoring on/embarrassing the Steelers defense.

[RunNGun]

I like Moncrief a lot. I believe he will fit right in with this offense. We definitely need another WR. Washington hasn't proven anything, so some insurance there would be great.

I think we try to move up in the 1st round to get our guy. Our guy has gotta be ILB, TE, or WR imo.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

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Cant wait to hear more on the weekly radio show!!

[tube517]

Cant wait to hear more on the weekly radio show!!

Does he have the radio show in the offseason?

[pczach]

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What an asshole......

[Shoes]

Can't wait to hear more on the weekly radio show!!

You will...like a drive-by fart. :chuckle:

[JayC]

i feel like he will be a better younger jerricho cotchery. i think ben will feed him.

[Shoes]

Every year, many players at all positions sign minimum contracts. Of course you're not going to have any right at the start - why would you sign a minimum contract now if you are a player, even a street-level free agent? You can nab a minimum contract any time between now and training camp, but right now you might luck into a Chickillo deal.

Chickillo is not even a roster hole. If you don't have a player filling that spot adter the draft, that's a league-minimum guy or an UDFA. Those players exist and they are everywhere. Perhaps that says something about our previous state of affairs that we do not want to admit, but the situation is what it is, and paying a minimum-salary guy $4M does not mean that he was (is) not one.

We are talking about a shortage of one player: who would replace Dupree. Plenty of teams in the NFL enact the roster approach I am advocating. You are short one player at a position and you draft one. I fail to see what is so outlandish about that. It's not as if either one of those moves is a high-stakes gamble.

It's like ... "Oh no, what would I ever do if I didn't have my 1998 Volkswagen Passat with a blown head gasket? I might have to find a new car! omg I'm SCREWED - what if it broke down??"

"lol, who even cares? Just find any car for like 4 grand, that one's junk."

"But it's a CAR!"

"Plenty of cars in the world."

"But I don't have the money for a new car! I already have to spend $22,000 to fix this one first!"

"You know there's an easier way to do that, right?"

"WHAT??? Explain how."

"Just get the other car. You know, with that $22,000, you could get a pretty good car, or you could try out three or four cars and just keep the one that's best."

(rocking while holding knees to chest) "nope nope nope ... never work, never work. No new cars. There's no new cars."

"I don't understand. Used cars come up for sale every day. Is there any reason you have to keep pouring money into that broken-down Passat?"

"YES! Because it's A CAR!!! Duh!!!"

"Uh, all right then."

"Ok. I have to go step around all these piles of junk now and go feed my 170 cats." (whispering) "you're safe, my pretty. safe, my pretty."




This avatar must go. I get the dry-heaves every time I see it.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Does he have the radio show in the offseason?

He should....at least would be something interesting to discuss here instead of 9 reason why the Steelers suck. Really...why stop at 9?

[st33lersguy]

On paper, Moncrief provides a 2nd proven wr on the team. He also has had at least a better career than dhb abd justin hunter.

[pczach]

On paper, Moncrief provides a 2nd proven wr on the team. He also has had at least a better career than dhb abd justin hunter.



I also like the fact that they are going to have big-bodied receivers that can compliment the running game. If you have receivers that are willing to block, they can help turn 8-yard runs into 50-yard runs.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

On paper, Moncrief provides a 2nd proven wr on the team. He also has had at least a better career than dhb abd justin hunter. Who hasn't had a better career then them ?

[st33lersguy]

Who hasn't had a better career then them ?

Limas, lol

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

After signing Moncrief I wouldn't go WR in the first 4 rounds. Yea Moncrief does plug a hole in the ship and like the signing.

[steelreserve]

Yeah, I mean, speaking to the topic of this thread, it's great that they brought in someone with a solid grasp on how to play receiver in the NFL, so we're not left with Washington-or-nothing at #2. That would be kind of frightening. Still can't find out how much it cost us, but it can't be that much ... can it?

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Limas, lol Yep he was the only one that came to mind that hadn't. Compared to those two Troy Edwards should be in the HOF.

[Shoes]

Sounds like a good guy

https://www.steelers.com/video/moncrief-introductory-press-conference


Did pretty good against the Steelers. :chuckle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emWxGYJgaLY

[NCSteeler]

Santonio Holmes, redux. I like it. Attitude, height , wing span, ready for action, always open when you need him.

I predict Ben will love this guy and go to him often

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[Mojouw]

Only negative is it looks like Moncrief sometimes just straight drops perfectly catchable balls.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s still a great idea. Same with Nelson’s penchant for penalties.

[st33lersguy]

Hopefully both he and Nelson pan out. Free agency can sometimes be a crap shoot itself and other supposedly bigger recent acquisitions haven't panned out for the team recently. Hopefully moncrief can be a solid no. 2 for the team and hopefully Nelson can be solid cb and hopefully neither will bring any drama to the team

[DesertSteel]

Of the two, I’m more excited about Moncrief’s upside. I’d still like to know his $ though.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

So Redman says he was mis-quoted with "suddeness and glide" by the SI reporter? I can see that.

[86WARD]

Limas, lol

Ouch! Sick Burn!

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGvkYsWzQ0g

[stillers4me]

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[DesertSteel]

Two years totaling $9 million, including $3.5 million signing bonus, base salaries of $1.5 and $3.5 million and a roster bonus of $500,000 next year, according to Spotrac. Moncrief counts $3.5 million against the cap in 2019.

A very good bargain IMO.

[Shoes]

Two years totaling $9 million, including $3.5 million signing bonus, base salaries of $1.5 and $3.5 million and a roster bonus of $500,000 next year, according to Spotrac. Moncrief counts $3.5 million against the cap in 2019.

A very good bargain IMO.



Agreed, he seems like a really good guy too.

[steelreserve]

Two years totaling $9 million, including $3.5 million signing bonus, base salaries of $1.5 and $3.5 million and a roster bonus of $500,000 next year, according to Spotrac. Moncrief counts $3.5 million against the cap in 2019.

A very good bargain IMO.



"A likely cap casualty in 2020 as he counts almost $6 million against the cap but only $1.75M in dead money if he's released."

"dead money if he's released."

"dead money if he's released."

"dead money if he's released."

Get used to that one folks, it's how we do all our contracts now.

Like - at least this one is somewhat within the realm of possibility that the second year could be worth bringing him back for, since the overall contract is a good deal.

But man, if you do ALL your FA contracts this way - two-year deal, cap hit doubles or triples in the second year ... well then, by definition you are going to have to cut most of those players after one year unless something else happens.

[Mojouw]

"A likely cap casualty in 2020 as he counts almost $6 million against the cap but only $1.75M in dead money if he's released."

"dead money if he's released."

"dead money if he's released."

"dead money if he's released."

Get used to that one folks, it's how we do all our contracts now.

Like - at least this one is somewhat within the realm of possibility that the second year could be worth bringing him back for, since the overall contract is a good deal.

But man, if you do ALL your FA contracts this way - two-year deal, cap hit doubles or triples in the second year ... well then, by definition you are going to have to cut most of those players after one year unless something else happens.

It is how they have done every contract during this CBA. 2 year deals are one year deals. 3 year deals are 1-2 year deals. 5 year deals are 2 year deals with 3 option years. This is not new.

If they want to keep Moncrief in 2020, they can approach him with a "new" deal and play the same game. Announce a 2 year extension that gives him new bonus money in 2020 and a low salary. Then a bigger cap hit in 2021 with no dead money. Problem solved.

The ONLY time this doesn't work is when you restructure the deal nine ways to Sunday and the guy's performance falls off a cliff (Woodley) or he freaks out and leaves town (AB). Other than those very real possibilities this is a totally standard way of doing business in the NFL.

Now we can debate about whether or not it is a good way to do business in the NFL...

[steelreserve]

It is how they have done every contract during this CBA. 2 year deals are one year deals. 3 year deals are 1-2 year deals. 5 year deals are 2 year deals with 3 option years. This is not new.

If they want to keep Moncrief in 2020, they can approach him with a "new" deal and play the same game. Announce a 2 year extension that gives him new bonus money in 2020 and a low salary. Then a bigger cap hit in 2021 with no dead money. Problem solved.

The ONLY time this doesn't work is when you restructure the deal nine ways to Sunday and the guy's performance falls off a cliff (Woodley) or he freaks out and leaves town (AB). Other than those very real possibilities this is a totally standard way of doing business in the NFL.

Now we can debate about whether or not it is a good way to do business in the NFL...

Look, I know it is standard practice to manipulate some of the cap hit using tactics like this, but I have never, EVER seen us use the two-year-contract-as-one-year-contract, shoveling dead money into the second year to this degree. Yes, we did some of it before, but to a much lesser extent and the bonuses were what you would expect as a reasonable amount of guaranteed cash for a contract of that length.

These are basically contracts that are "restructured" from day one - nearly ALL the first year's salary shifted into the second year. But since it's only a two-year contract, you create a situation where you basically just shove two year's worth of pay into one and make an almost impossible do-or-die. Most of these do not get re-extended, the player gets cut - and in any case, an extension does not magically clear up the dead money, just re-spreads it and creates the same problem a year down the road unless it's a 3- or 4- year contract (which we restructure roughly 100% of the time anyway).

Look, I get what they're trying to do, spend AB's $21 million a year early, but other than maybe Moncrief, I can't really get too excited about the return on that. When the next offseason rolls around, I would prefer it if the cap space we finally got freed up from the guy who was not on the team anymore ... was not already largely spent on other guys who are not on the team anymore.

Like it or not, I think we are not really in contention this year. So pulling out all the stops to further jury-rig the house of cards that is the Steelers' cap situation, so that we may bring in a handful of mid-level one-year rentals to salvage an 8-8 season, at the expense of the following season, is not my first choice. Really looks like some people in the front office are just trying to scratch out one more year that's just good enough to save their own jobs, rather than what is actually going to dig out of the not-insignificant hole of losing three All-Pro level players in 16 months with no compensation at all, and that coming on the heels of two consecutive drafts (2015-16) that produced a grand total of zero solid starters and like, one-half an impact player, if that.

[Fire Goodell]

Limas, lol

Dude no joke, I lost a madden game once because Sweed dropped what would have been a 60 yard TD with time running out. Dude couldn't even catch in a video game :chuckle:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Dude no joke, I lost a madden game once because Sweed dropped what would have been a 60 yard TD with time running out. Dude couldn't even catch in a video game :chuckle:

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