UPDATE: Brown to meet with Art Rooney II

[Shoes]

Looks like AB will now meet with Art, which I think is good. AB is a shithead but I think he probably has some issues that are valid.

The Pittsburgh Steelers seemed to be taking one final Hail Mary at convincing Antonio Brown to stay in Pittsburgh. And according to a report from NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, Brown has no interest in making things work. Per this tweet from Rapoport, team owner Art Rooney II flew to Florida in the hopes of meeting with Brown. That didn’t happen.

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/02/rapoport-brown-passes-up-florida-meeting-with-art-rooney-ii/

[Mojouw]

Man...oh...man. To be a fly on the wall for that meeting...

Also can not wait to see who leaks what!

[Shoes]

Man...oh...man. To be a fly on the wall for that meeting...

Also can not wait to see who leaks what!.

:chuckle:

[86WARD]

Man...oh...man. To be a fly on the wall for that meeting...

Also can not wait to see who leaks what!

Lol. Hard Knocks it!!

[fansince'76]

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:rolleyes:

Respect? More like someone finally slapping him upside the head and making it sink in for AB that the team holds all the cards in this situation and that he needs to watch it before he winds up somewhere like Buffalo...

[Shoes]

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:rolleyes:

Respect? More like someone finally slapping him upside the head and making it sink in for AB that the team holds all the cards in this situation and that he needs to watch it before he winds up somewhere like Buffalo...

Yes respect! He learned that from his mentor TO. :chuckle:

[zulater]

At this point I'd sit him down without pay for the season before giving in to his pouty whims if there's no fair trade offers out there.

Guarantee this idiot will be broke 10 years out of the league.

[pczach]

At this point I'd sit him down without pay for the season before giving in to his pouty whims if there's no fair trade offers out there.

Guarantee this idiot will be broke 10 years out of the league.


If there is ever an exploding market for tossing furniture out of windows at elevation, he could really hit it big. His golden mustache would be epic....

[DesertSteel]

Don't underestimate what can happen when Brown and Rooney actually sit down and meet. If Rooney thinks he can't get trade value, he will likely try to talk AB into forgetting the past and starting over with the Steelers.

[AtlantaDan]

Any word on whether AB and AJRII have agreed on a third party to handle security for the sit down?

[pczach]

Any word on whether AB and AJRII have agreed on a third party to handle security for the sit down?


Will there be any windows in the meeting room?

Will they be closed and securely locked?

Will there be any furniture in the room?

These are very important questions as well.

[Dwinsgames]

I am betting AB doesnt show up or shows up an hour or so late in which time Art has already left saying fuck it this asshat can rot in Buffalo

[Devilsdancefloor]

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:rolleyes:

Respect? More like someone finally slapping him upside the head and making it sink in for AB that the team holds all the cards in this situation and that he needs to watch it before he winds up somewhere like Buffalo...

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this guy did the slapping

[stillers4me]

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[86WARD]

I didn’t know Reggie was a Steelers fan.

[pczach]

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I think AB would be very happy being "Mr. October" in football. He would love to light it up in the regular season. He would gladly lose games as long as he gets all his stats and the team he is playing for gets him the ball constantly. Playoff football and championships would be nice....but not at the expense of him "getting his".

Winning is clearly somewhere further down on his list of things that are important to him.

That is clearly AB's definition of "Business is Boomin'".

[AtlantaDan]

In his twitter Q&A yesterday AB also shared his thoughts on his upcoming meeting with AJRII.

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So this will be a meeting with "AB the man" not "AB the player" - once again sounds as if AB is looking for what he deems proper "respect"

As for "like what AM I Really doing!" - I have no clue and I wonder if AB does :noidea:

[Mojouw]

In his twitter Q&A yesterday AB also shared his thoughts on his upcoming meeting with AJRII.

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So this will be a meeting with "AB the man" not "AB the player" - once again sounds as if AB is looking for what he deems proper "respect"

As for "like what AM I Really doing!" - I have no clue and I wonder if AB does :noidea:

Nailed it. AB wants respect but he doesn't actually have a proposal for what that is. Money? Days off? Input into team decisions? A Tv show? All he's got is that QB is catered to more than WR or RB. Welcome to the NFL. No one cares?

There is one way this all makes a bit if sense. That would be if Ben has decided he can let his preparation slip. Figured he knows the offense, seen most of what an NFL defense can do, and determined he doesn't need to work as much leading up to game day. Then AB is pissed that Ben can coast and he can't. Sees Ben tossing picks, blaming others, and palling around with coaches during the week. Meanwhile AB is catching 1000 balls a day or whatever.

Somehow, I doubt that is the scenario. Some part would've come out by now.

[stillers4me]

There is one way this all makes a bit if sense. That would be if Ben has decided he can let his preparation slip. Figured he knows the offense, seen most of what an NFL defense can do, and determined he doesn't need to work as much leading up to game day. Then AB is pissed that Ben can coast and he can't. Sees Ben tossing picks, blaming others, and palling around with coaches during the week. Meanwhile AB is catching 1000 balls a day or whatever.

Link please. Or more....I read this somewhere on the internets so it must be true

[AtlantaDan]

Nailed it. AB wants respect but he doesn't actually have a proposal for what that is. Money? Days off? Input into team decisions? A Tv show? All he's got is that QB is catered to more than WR or RB. Welcome to the NFL. No one cares?

There is one way this all makes a bit if sense. That would be if Ben has decided he can let his preparation slip. Figured he knows the offense, seen most of what an NFL defense can do, and determined he doesn't need to work as much leading up to game day. Then AB is pissed that Ben can coast and he can't. Sees Ben tossing picks, blaming others, and palling around with coaches during the week. Meanwhile AB is catching 1000 balls a day or whatever.

Somehow, I doubt that is the scenario. Some part would've come out by now.

Lack of commitment by unidentified others allegedly was one of AB's grievances

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That might include Ben but if so AB presumably would have called Ben out by name by now

Might see AB taking a shot along those lines when he is traded as Sanders did when unfavorably comparing Ben to Peyton as a leader after Sanders landed in Denver

When Sanders did that guess who took exception to it :chuckle:

"That was terrible," Brown said Wednesday. "You don't throw your quarterback under the bus, the guy who makes you who you are."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11286349/antonio-brown-pittsburgh-steelers-rips-emmanuel-sanders-qb-comments

[Shoes]

Art will be discussing with AB where he would like his swimming pool at his training camp suite.

[tube517]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzi-NbVX4AAV2hO.jpg:largeLol Reggie fought the manager and dissed the owner in the greatest sports love triangle in history.

But I didn't know he was a Steelers fan either.

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[EzraTank]

At this point I'd sit him down without pay for the season before giving in to his pouty whims if there's no fair trade offers out there.

Guarantee this idiot will be broke 10 years out of the league.

10 years, man you're generous. I give him 3-5.

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Lol Reggie fought the manager and dissed the owner in the greatest sports love triangle in history.

But I didn't know he was a Steelers fan either.

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That's one of the biggest TWEETS I've ever seen, it must be serious! But at Reggie's age I guess his eye sight isn't that great. I'm still pissed he tried to kill Queen Elizabeth.

[SteelMember]

Man...oh...man. To be a fly on the wall for that meeting...

Also can not wait to see who leaks what!

Seems like a great opportunity for a Facebook live feed.... he wouldn't, or would he? :scratchchin:

[vader29]

Lol Reggie fought the manager and dissed the owner in the greatest sports love triangle in history.

But I didn't know he was a Steelers fan either.

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[Dwinsgames]

Less then what you bargain for more than real #Truth (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Truth?src=hash)

yeah I bet Art II is feeling that ... since he paid for a player to show the hell up and do work ...

[tube517]

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Ah, apparently he is buddies w/Franco so that's where that started.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1198577-pittsburgh-steelers-25-famous-fans-of-the-black-and-gold#slide19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByP9IQtCAAAkU3m.jpg

[teegre]

I'm still pissed he tried to kill Queen Elizabeth.

:applaudit:

“It’s fourth-&-15, and you’re looking at a full-court press.”

[Dwinsgames]

Ah, apparently he is buddies w/Franco so that's where that started.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1198577-pittsburgh-steelers-25-famous-fans-of-the-black-and-gold#slide19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByP9IQtCAAAkU3m.jpg


crazy and to think I always thought Reggie was a big man ..

[EzraTank]

crazy and to think I always thought Reggie was a big man ..

Nope only 6' tall. He was born near Philly surprised he's not an Eagles fan.

[Born2Steel]

When already???

[vader29]

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[AtlantaDan]

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Thanks for the update the sit down went down :drink:

Doubtful AJRII thinks it is time to "move on" the same way AB does.

[vasteeler]

I Hope they do the right thing and trade him to a shit team

[FrancoLambert]

Wow, AB must have taken an English composition refresher course since his last barrage of tweets.
The sentences actually make sense, spelling and punctuation were checked. :rolleyes:

[86WARD]

I Hope they do the right thing and trade him to a shit team

If moving on means trading him, then they’d better get great value for him...

[Hound]

Does anyone else have a feeling the Steelers already have a trade done?

[Mojouw]

AB: I want more money. Straight cash.
Rooney: No.
AB: Trade me! Business is Boomin' and I need paid!
Rooney: OK.
AB: Crap...that wasn't the love fest I thought....better post something soothing on social media!

Wanna bet that's pretty close to how it went?

[AtlantaDan]

AB: I want more money. Straight cash.
Rooney: No.
AB: Trade me! Business is Boomin' and I need paid!
Rooney: OK.
AB: Crap...that wasn't the love fest I thought....better post something soothing on social media!

Wanna bet that's pretty close to how it went?

Agreed

As posted above, that tweet is too well written for AB to have done it

Placeholder tweet by Rosenhaus as he tries to keep AB from tweeting up a bigger mess

[NCSteeler]

He could have went to Rooney a month ago and demanded a trade and got easily traded for a high pick. Now he has went off the rails so bad it'll be hard for teams to forget that in the next few weeks when it's likely a deal will come together.

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[86WARD]

AB: I want more money. Straight cash.
Rooney: No.
AB: Trade me! Business is Boomin' and I need paid!
Rooney: OK.
AB: Crap...that wasn't the love fest I thought....better post something soothing on social media!

Wanna bet that's pretty close to how it went?

I heard on NFL Radio today from Alex Marvez that the team AB gets traded to won’t be able to redo his contract for a certain amount of time? It’s that accurate?

[AtlantaDan]

Follow up report and anonymous quote I would bet came from Rosenhaus

Brown's agent Drew Rosenhaus joined the meeting, as did Steelers GM Kevin Colbert and executive Omar Khan, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

The meeting was cordial and "everyone agreed the trade will be for the best," a source told Schefter.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26030855/antonio-brown-pittsburgh-steelers-president-art-rooney-ii-meet-agree-move-on

Trade will be for the best for AB but doubtful Steelers will give him away

[Mojouw]

Agreed

As posted above, that tweet is too well written for AB to have done it

Placeholder tweet by Rosenhaus as he tries to keep AB from tweeting up a bigger mess

No doubt. I am by no means taking up for AB, but the Steelers better figure out this guaranteed cash crap soon. Or we are gonna watch Juju and Watt (in a very polite way) walk right the hell out of the building when their rookie deals are up.

[Hound]

So true Mojouw! The Steelers need to adapt and change with the rest of the NFL or be left behind

[Mojouw]

So true Mojouw! The Steelers need to adapt and change with the rest of the NFL or be left behind

This list is comical how little the team guarantees -- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/

20-30% less than the rest of the league. Honestly, I had no idea until the recent outbursts of pettiness by Bell and AB, but I can kind see it...

If I knew I could get paid the same or even a bit more to sell widgets across town and only 50% of my wages would be commission based unlike my present job where 60-80% is commission based, I would be selling widgets across town in a second.

I realize the analogy is not great, but I can get why the players are finally starting to realize the system is rigged not in their favor. And it will never change because the vast swath of players are too dumb to understand what the CBA says, agents are predatory, and the union leadership is a notch above awful.

[Shoes]

Let's hope Rooney and Tomlin learned a lesson here. Its mind-boggling to me that these two with so much NFL experience would powder puff a players ass by giving him such special treatment over the other players. How in the hell did they think this wouldn't get in the craw of the team?

[Mojouw]

Let's hope Rooney and Tomlin learned a lesson here. Its mind-boggling to me that these two with so much NFL experience would powder puff a players ass by giving him such special treatment over the other players. How in the hell did they think this wouldn't get in the craw of the team?

I wonder if it isn't more common then we'd think. No idea. But I gotta figure this gang of MENSA members isn't exactly breaking new ground on anything else. So why on this one issue?

[Shoes]

I wonder if it isn't more common then we'd think. No idea. But I gotta figure this gang of MENSA members isn't exactly breaking new ground on anything else. So why on this one issue?

Well if it is it sure as hell doesn't benefit the "team spirit." Human nature is the same if you are a factory worker or a pro football player. AB is neither, he's just an asshole.

[teegre]

Let's hope Rooney and Tomlin learned a lesson here. Its mind-boggling to me that these two with so much NFL experience would powder puff a players ass by giving him such special treatment over the other players. How in the hell did they think this wouldn't get in the craw of the team?

Brady has his own trainer (does not use the team’s trainers). Brady doesn’t eat with the team; he has his own chef/meals made. Et cetera. Sure, Brady is “never late for meetings”, but don’t think for a minute that he doesn’t get special treatment.

Oh, and while Brady didn’t demand a trade for himself, he sure as heck stomped his feet until he got the heir-apparent QB traded.

SUMMATION:
If we are going to go by the mantra of “If Belichick does it, it must be good”... then, Tomlin’s treatment of AB is right in line.

[pczach]

Brady has his own trainer (does not use the team’s trainers). Brady doesn’t eat with the team; he has his own chef/meals made. Et cetera. Sure, Brady is “never late for meetings”, but don’t think for a minute that he doesn’t get special treatment.

Oh, and while Brady didn’t demand a trade for himself, he sure as heck stomped his feet until he got the heir-apparent QB traded.

SUMMATION:
If we are going to go by the mantra of “If Belichick does it, it must be good”... then, Tomlin’s treatment of AB is right in line.


People that don't think players on every other team get special treatment are just being naïve. It happens on every team.

Where Tomlin and the organization screwed up is not jumping on this sooner from a disciplinary standpoint to try to control the problem, or seeing the signs that this was coming and trading him before it reached the media and became a huge story. They probably could have gotten a ton in return.

To be fair, I don't think any form of discipline would have stopped this with Brown's current personal meltdown.

It is a terrible situation.

[teegre]

People that don't think players on every other team get special treatment are just being naïve. It happens on every team.

Where Tomlin and the organization screwed up is not jumping on this sooner from a disciplinary standpoint to try to control the problem, or seeing the signs that this was coming and trading him before it reached the media and became a huge story. They probably could have gotten a ton in return.

To be fair, I don't think any form of discipline would have stopped this with Brown's current personal meltdown.

It is a terrible situation.

As Bill Parcells used to say: “You treat every player equally... it’s just that some get treated more equally than others.”

(After saying this, one of his trainers went out & purchased some cocaine for LT.)

In hindsight, trading AB at the trading deadline for a “then disgruntled” Patrick Peterson (and a R1 pick) would have been a great move... and, a move that would have brought the ire from the fanbase.

[Shoes]

What is naive is a Head Coach that is weak on discipline, who fines some players and not others. Then the ones you don't discipline like AB & Harrison turn around and bite you in the ass. As for Brady he was a R6 pick also but he doesn't miss meetings, hold the team aircraft up from departing, toss furniture out of a high rise and isn't a moron. Yet nothing was done to AB. It's bullshit

[86WARD]

As Bill Parcells used to say: “You treat every player equally... it’s just that some get treated more equally than others.”

(After saying this, one of his trainers went out & purchased some cocaine for LT.)

In hindsight, trading AB at the trading deadline for a “then disgruntled” Patrick Peterson (and a R1 pick) would have been a great move... and, a move that would have brought the ire from the fanbase.

How about when Terry Glenn was injured and When asked about Glenn’s injury Parcells said “She’s making progress.” :chuckle:

[NCSteeler]

Brady has his own trainer (does not use the team’s trainers). Brady doesn’t eat with the team; he has his own chef/meals made. Et cetera. Sure, Brady is “never late for meetings”, but don’t think for a minute that he doesn’t get special treatment.

Oh, and while Brady didn’t demand a trade for himself, he sure as heck stomped his feet until he got the heir-apparent QB traded.

SUMMATION:
If we are going to go by the mantra of “If Belichick does it, it must be good”... then, Tomlin’s treatment of AB is right in line.No I would not equate your own nutritional guy and your own trainer the same as skipping meeting and living off campus during training camp. That just BS

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[Mojouw]

Read about the Jimmy Johnson era Cowboys. There were no rules on that team for good players. Anyone think that Nate Newton just decided to become a drug kingpin after he was done playing ball? Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders, and rules are not things that go together.

This type of high school ego stroking and wiener measuring has been going on since they started paying guys to play ball. We just hear about it now because social media and the internet gives everyone a megaphone to talk about stuff. I'm sure in the 1930's there were some guys that got to ride in better train cars or sleep in nicer hotels or whatever. No fans care as long as you win. No players care as long as you win and get paid.

This was all fine and dandy with AB until guys that are lesser players than him and/or haven't been in the league as long started getting paid the same yearly $$$ average as him and got far more up front guarantees. Odell Beckam, Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks, Jarvis Landry, Sammy Watkins, and Stefon Diggs are a few of the WRs who have similar yearly pay-outs and 2-3 times the guaranteed cash as AB. Couple that with the harsh reality that the Pittsburgh Steelers organization is going to cater to the likes and dislikes of Ben Roethlisberger over and above anyone else, and you have a (in hindsight) totally predictable toxic situation.

I fully believe, based on the current evidence available, that there was NOTHING that Mike Tomlin could have done that would have changed where things stand. The only thing that would have changed this is if the Steelers would pay AB more money. That was never going to happen. No amount of fines, benchings, or suspensions was or is going to change that fact.

Bottom line, the best WR on the planet is now playing under a contract that is heavily tilted in the favor of the team when compared to other WRs and their more recent contracts. His ego can't handle that and here we are.

[Shoes]

Read about the Jimmy Johnson era Cowboys. There were no rules on that team for good players. Anyone think that Nate Newton just decided to become a drug kingpin after he was done playing ball? Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders, and rules are not things that go together.

This type of high school ego stroking and wiener measuring has been going on since they started paying guys to play ball. We just hear about it now because social media and the internet gives everyone a megaphone to talk about stuff. I'm sure in the 1930's there were some guys that got to ride in better train cars or sleep in nicer hotels or whatever. No fans care as long as you win. No players care as long as you win and get paid.

This was all fine and dandy with AB until guys that are lesser players than him and/or haven't been in the league as long started getting paid the same yearly $$$ average as him and got far more up front guarantees. Odell Beckam, Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks, Jarvis Landry, Sammy Watkins, and Stefon Diggs are a few of the WRs who have similar yearly pay-outs and 2-3 times the guaranteed cash as AB. Couple that with the harsh reality that the Pittsburgh Steelers organization is going to cater to the likes and dislikes of Ben Roethlisberger over and above anyone else, and you have a (in hindsight) totally predictable toxic situation.

I fully believe, based on the current evidence available, that there was NOTHING that Mike Tomlin could have done that would have changed where things stand. The only thing that would have changed this is if the Steelers would pay AB more money. That was never going to happen. No amount of fines, benchings, or suspensions was or is going to change that fact.

Bottom line, the best WR on the planet is now playing under a contract that is heavily tilted in the favor of the team when compared to other WRs and their more recent contracts. His ego can't handle that and here we are.

Right, you keep believing that. I say bullshit

[Mojouw]

Right, you keep believing that. I say bullshit

How could Mike Tomlin have convinced AB that he doesn't need more guaranteed money in his contract? As soon as the ink dried on Odell Beckham Jr's contract the current situation was inevitable.

AB saw a guy act the fool on a consistent basis and get paid better than he did. AB saw a guy do what he had done for a career for about a hot minute and get paid better than he did. AB saw a guy behave in a ridiculous manner and get rewarded.

I'm not saying that AB is without blame or the Steelers are to be blamed or it is all some other player's fault. But I am saying that there is not a blessed thing that a coach can do when a guy decides he needs to be paid in a different way than he is. The only option that the Steelers didn't use was the NE model of trading the guy a year before the contract stuff becomes an issue. And that is totally out of Tomlin's hands.

AB is a creation of his own ego, social media focused narcissism, and rampant "Why Not Me-ism?". Throw in a dash of Rosenhaus enabling and "BOOM". Additionally, Tomlin made his point with AB pretty clear after the infamous Facebook Live incident. He said nonsense is tolerated until it is too much or a player doesn't perform. Basically, don't write checks you can't cash. AB did that in Week 17 of the 2018 season, just as Tomlin predicted he would. Then Tomlin acted exactly as he told AB he would.

I'm honestly not trying to be difficult, but what else could've been done? Ground him and send him to bed without supper? Most people want to pivot to either fines or suspensions. The max fine would've been chump change to AB. And you have to have a reason to suspend guys. Prior to Week 17, what would've been the reason -- petulant childish attitude?

[NCSteeler]

A good answer is why didn't someone spot Thai behavior coming and make a block buster trade to move him before he hit the fan

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[Mojouw]

A good answer is why didn't someone spot Thai behavior coming and make a block buster trade to move him before he hit the fan

Is that even possible? I mean if teams could accurately predict player behavior, wouldn't 60% of the NFL's problems be solved overnight?

[NCSteeler]

Is that even possible? I mean if teams could accurately predict player behavior, wouldn't 60% of the NFL's problems be solved overnight?It seems some inside the Steelers have known this was escalating, obvious not to this point but maybe we should become a little more like the Patriots in the way they structure deals and trade players. How is it they seem to always have an out on a player going south . For every branding cooks leaving to soon there is another they seem to cut or trade just in time.

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[Dwinsgames]

It seems some inside the Steelers have known this was escalating, obvious not to this point but maybe we should become a little more like the Patriots in the way they structure deals and trade players. How is it they seem to always have an out on a player going south . For every branding cooks leaving to soon there is another they seem to cut or trade just in time.

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not every team embraces Ouija boards and voodoo dolls as much as Bill-i-cheat

[NCSteeler]

not every team embraces Ouija boards and voodoo dolls as much as Bill-i-cheatSold his soul man sold his soul

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[Shoes]

How could Mike Tomlin have convinced AB that he doesn't need more guaranteed money in his contract? As soon as the ink dried on Odell Beckham Jr's contract the current situation was inevitable.

AB saw a guy act the fool on a consistent basis and get paid better than he did. AB saw a guy do what he had done for a career for about a hot minute and get paid better than he did. AB saw a guy behave in a ridiculous manner and get rewarded.

I'm not saying that AB is without blame or the Steelers are to be blamed or it is all some other player's fault. But I am saying that there is not a blessed thing that a coach can do when a guy decides he needs to be paid in a different way than he is. The only option that the Steelers didn't use was the NE model of trading the guy a year before the contract stuff becomes an issue. And that is totally out of Tomlin's hands.

AB is a creation of his own ego, social media focused narcissism, and rampant "Why Not Me-ism?". Throw in a dash of Rosenhaus enabling and "BOOM". Additionally, Tomlin made his point with AB pretty clear after the infamous Facebook Live incident. He said nonsense is tolerated until it is too much or a player doesn't perform. Basically, don't write checks you can't cash. AB did that in Week 17 of the 2018 season, just as Tomlin predicted he would. Then Tomlin acted exactly as he told AB he would.

I'm honestly not trying to be difficult, but what else could've been done? Ground him and send him to bed without supper? Most people want to pivot to either fines or suspensions. The max fine would've been chump change to AB. And you have to have a reason to suspend guys. Prior to Week 17, what would've been the reason -- petulant childish attitude?

You pushed the fast forward button too soon. I'm not talking about the full-grown monster AB. I'm talking about "The Standard Is the Standard" whatever the hell that means. What you have here is a toddler (AB) running the household (Steelers) It is frustrating, embarrassing and draining of all emotions and energy. It's hell for not only the parents but everyone in public and with family and friends.

Tomlin gave AB a long leash over the years with little or no discipline. All this did was embolden AB to take it to the next level. I mean think about it, this friggin weasel (AB) has actually been calling all the shots, just like a 2-year-old running the home. I mean the guy is under contract and just decides he doesn't have to fulfill it. He doesn't show up for meetings or comes late, holds the team aircraft up because he's late and on and on. His buddy Harrison is kicked back in a chair snoring in a team meeting and after Tomlin lets them slide they bite him in the ass in the end.

I'm not saying Tomlin is totally responsible for the way this turned out but holding fast to the rules and dishing out discipline to everyone equally when the rules are broke would go a long way, you just can't start when the kid is an adult. I think most team-minded players would actually welcome this and I think they would respect their HC much more.

Players that go to NE know they conform or hit the road, that's really not a bad thing.

Now on to drafting TJ Hockenson :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

You pushed the fast forward button too soon. I'm not talking about the full-grown monster AB. I'm talking about "The Standard Is the Standard" whatever the hell that means. What you have here is a toddler (AB) running the household (Steelers) It is frustrating, embarrassing and draining of all emotions and energy. It's hell for not only the parents but everyone in public and with family and friends.

Tomlin gave AB a long leash over the years with little or no discipline. All this did was embolden AB to take it to the next level. I mean think about it, this friggin weasel (AB) has actually been calling all the shots, just like a 2-year-old running the home. I mean the guy is under contract and just decides he doesn't have to fulfill it. He doesn't show up for meetings or comes late, holds the team aircraft up because he's late and on and on. His buddy Harrison is kicked back in a chair snoring in a team meeting and after Tomlin lets them slide they bite him in the ass in the end.

I'm not saying Tomlin is totally responsible for the way this turned out but holding fast to the rules and dishing out discipline to everyone equally when the rules are broke would go a long way, you just can't start when the kid is an adult. I think most team-minded players would actually welcome this and I think they would respect their HC much more.

Players that go to NE know they conform or hit the road, that's really not a bad thing.

Now on to drafting TJ Hockenson :chuckle:

I see what you're saying but some guys are just ass clowns. Based on what has come out over the last month or so, I am convinced that this got here one way or another as soon as AB decided he was "underpaid".

Perhaps the only thing that might could've sorta changed is that if he was forced to be more of a team first/discipline guy he goes to ownership first rather than social media. But what about AB's personality over the last 18 months would lead anyone to believe this dude has much respect for anything?