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hawaiiansteeler
02-03-2019, 01:40 PM
Schefter: Steelers May Still Use Transition Tag On Le’Veon Bell

By Alex Kozora
Posted on February 3, 2019

The Le’Veon Bell saga isn’t over just yet. According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the Pittsburgh Steelers are “still considering” placing the transition tag on Bell. From Schefter:

“Pittsburgh’s decision depends on how much another team would value Bell and whether the Steelers would be willing to match the offer sheet.”

During the regular season, Bell told ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler the Steelers told Bell they would transition him should the two sides not hammer out a long-term deal. Bell skipped all of 2018 in response. As Schefter notes, the value of the tag would become murky.

to read rest of article:

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/02/schefter-steelers-may-still-use-transition-tag-on-leveon-bell/

Mojouw
02-03-2019, 01:49 PM
Gosh. The Rams have no fans and everyone hates the Patriots. So the SB lead-up is talking about Steelers players who didn't even play this year?

This game better not suck or we are going to start getting updates on Chris Boswell's groin.

86WARD
02-03-2019, 02:44 PM
This story is more disappointing in the fact that the Steelers don't appear to be battling the fact that Bell sat out last year and that the franchise tag should be able to be used again.

steelerdude15
02-03-2019, 04:07 PM
If this is true, its unbelievable. Just let him go and move on.

steelcityboyz
02-03-2019, 04:13 PM
^^ I agree.. I don't even want him in a steeler uniform.. Time to move on.

Mojouw
02-03-2019, 04:25 PM
Good for them. Bell wants to make the NFL all about business and leveraging assets and whatnot -- then fine. Here's how contracts work.

I think if Gurley has a good to great SB, Bell gets paid. If Rams lose or CJ Anderson outplays Gurley, Bell's market craters.

I also think that the fact that Kareem Hunt exists and some NFL team will be willing to sign him will drag Bell's market down. I totally thought Bell would have a massive market with Hunt getting extended this off-season as well after the Chiefs were in the SB and Hunt and Gurley lit it up.

But I think that I am being proven waaaay wrong on all this and those that predicted money now was better than maybe money later were pretty freaking smart.

pczach
02-03-2019, 05:19 PM
Good for them. Bell wants to make the NFL all about business and leveraging assets and whatnot -- then fine. Here's how contracts work.

I think if Gurley has a good to great SB, Bell gets paid. If Rams lose or CJ Anderson outplays Gurley, Bell's market craters.

I also think that the fact that Kareem Hunt exists and some NFL team will be willing to sign him will drag Bell's market down. I totally thought Bell would have a massive market with Hunt getting extended this off-season as well after the Chiefs were in the SB and Hunt and Gurley lit it up.

But I think that I am being proven waaaay wrong on all this and those that predicted money now was better than maybe money later were pretty freaking smart.



I think the fact that CJ Anderson already played almost an entire game over a healthy Gurley made quite a statement.

steelreserve
02-03-2019, 07:28 PM
"My stats say i'm almost as good as the guy making $14.3 million, only I'm fat and out of shape, I haven't played for over a year, I have multiple drug suspensions and continue to hang out with and appear in pictures with people smoking weed, I've shown myself liable to walk out the door over any perceived slight, and also I am an unpredictable headcase or just an asshole. So pay me more than that guy." Not a real strong case that they gonna have to pay you 15.

I say go for it, slap the tranny tag on him, and if the highest offer that comes in is $9 million, then hell, just match it. If not, we haven't lost anything.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
02-03-2019, 08:08 PM
"My stats say i'm almost as good as the guy making $14.3 million, only I'm fat and out of shape, I haven't played for over a year, I have multiple drug suspensions and continue to hang out with and appear in pictures with people smoking weed, I've shown myself liable to walk out the door over any perceived slight, and also I am an unpredictable headcase or just an asshole. So pay me more than that guy." Not a real strong case that they gonna have to pay you 15.

I say go for it, slap the tranny tag on him, and if the highest offer that comes in is $9 million, then hell, just match it. If not, we haven't lost anything. Well if you do slap a tranny tag on him. San Fran may want him as well.

st33lersguy
02-03-2019, 08:08 PM
Omg let him go

pepsyman1
02-03-2019, 08:35 PM
Omg let him go

Oh F#$k no. I want them to torture that asshole. They should use every avenue to at their disposal. When all is said and done, he didn't get paid at all last year. That's $14.5 million he didn't get. I want to see the best offer come in at $8-$9 million per season and have to watch him suck it up and remember the $70 million dollar contract that the Steelers laid in front of him that he pissed on knowing he'll NEVER see a contact that big again. Nothing would be more poetic justice. (Well, seeing Brady throw a pic 6 in the Super Bowl to lose the game would, but I'm being realistic...lol)

Fire Goodell
02-03-2019, 09:50 PM
Please god no. Ride with Conner and Samuels. Better production and 1/10 the cost

Steeler-in-west
02-03-2019, 10:13 PM
Well, I think the only markets that took off after this super bowl was Belichik’s, his DC and undersized slot receivers who know how to run their routes.

DesertSteel
02-03-2019, 10:40 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to keep the circus in town......

Shoes
02-03-2019, 10:46 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to keep the circus in town......

Might as well it's becoming the AJRII big top. :chuckle:

steelreserve
02-03-2019, 11:04 PM
Well if you do slap a tranny tag on him. San Fran may want him as well.

If SF couldn't get Brady, we don't need to worry about them getting anyone else for that reason.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
02-03-2019, 11:20 PM
If SF couldn't get Brady, we don't need to worry about them getting anyone else for that reason. Lol thank you and got it!

El-Gonzo Jackson
02-04-2019, 12:52 AM
Cowher said on CBS 2 months ago. "Mr Rooney doesn't reward players for not showing up".

I can see them going to arbitration for a lower cap number and then using it to sign and trade Bell to somebody for a season. They aren't going to reward him with easy unrestricted free agency. If he showed up and played out the tag, then they might have.

pepsyman1
02-04-2019, 03:56 AM
Cowher said on CBS 2 months ago. "Mr Rooney doesn't reward players for not showing up".

I can see them going to arbitration for a lower cap number and then using it to sign and trade Bell to somebody for a season. They aren't going to reward him with easy unrestricted free agency. If he showed up and played out the tag, then they might have.

Exactly. They have to turn the situation to their favor before they just let him walk

teegre
02-04-2019, 06:59 AM
Cowher said on CBS 2 months ago. "Mr Rooney doesn't reward players for not showing up".

I can see them going to arbitration for a lower cap number and then using it to sign and trade Bell to somebody for a season. They aren't going to reward him with easy unrestricted free agency. If he showed up and played out the tag, then they might have.

Plus, AB will be watching all of this closely.

If Bell simply “walks”, my bet is that AB ramps up his antics.

Whereas, if “leaving for another team” becomes an arduous task for Bell, AB might cool his jets a bit.

steelerdude15
02-04-2019, 08:13 AM
Plus, AB will be watching all of this closely.

If Bell simply “walks”, my bet is that AB ramps up his antics.

Whereas, if “leaving for another team” becomes an arduous task for Bell, AB might cool his jets a bit.

I say get rid of them both. Less distractions we have to deal with.

Born2Steel
02-04-2019, 08:18 AM
It’s interesting to look back at 2017’s offense. We had AB, Bryant, and rookie JuJu. Bell, and rookie Conner. And an automatic Boswell. 2019 looks like JuJu and Conner. That ‘Killer B’ offense never lived up to it’s hype.

AtlantaDan
02-04-2019, 08:24 AM
Plus, AB will be watching all of this closely.

If Bell simply “walks”, my bet is that AB ramps up his antics.

Whereas, if “leaving for another team” becomes an arduous task for Bell, AB might cool his jets a bit.

When you are in serial child support disputes, keep having cash "stolen" from your safes, and are blowing $$$ on GOAT jewelry not certain AB is in a position to lose the cash flow of a year's salary to make his point like Bell did

86WARD
02-04-2019, 08:56 AM
When you are in serial child support disputes, keep having cash "stolen" from your safes, and are blowing $$$ on GOAT jewelry not certain AB is in a position to lose the cash flow of a year's salary to make his point like Bell did

AB catches that TD pass Cooks dropped. That’s the kind of stuff that will never be replaced...

steelreserve
02-04-2019, 09:02 AM
When you are in serial child support disputes, keep having cash "stolen" from your safes, and are blowing $$$ on GOAT jewelry not certain AB is in a position to lose the cash flow of a year's salary to make his point like Bell did

Also, AB appears to be selfish in the way that he cares about individual stats and his own fame as a football player. Whereas Bell is selfish in the way that he cares about money, weed, and pretending to be a rapper who doesn't give a fuck.

The first kind of selfish you can work with. The other kind, not so much.

Bell be like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P6n_Wzga_0

AtlantaDan
02-04-2019, 09:03 AM
AB catches that TD pass Cooks dropped. That’s the kind of stuff that will never be replaced...

Agreed - my point was if the Steelers do not want to give that up unless they get what they regard as appropriate value in a trade AB is less likely to be able to just sit out the season if he is not traded

Mojouw
02-04-2019, 11:25 AM
Also, AB appears to be selfish in the way that he cares about individual stats and his own fame as a football player. Whereas Bell is selfish in the way that he cares about money, weed, and pretending to be a rapper who doesn't give a fuck.

The first kind of selfish you can work with. The other kind, not so much.

Bell be like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P6n_Wzga_0


Agreed - my point was if the Steelers do not want to give that up unless they get what they regard as appropriate value in a trade AB is less likely to be able to just sit out the season if he is not traded

Great Simpsons reference!

I think Bell shocked almost everyone by not playing. The old cliche that football players play football and whatnot. AB, for a variety of reasons, will eventually show up and play. The real question is will Rooney/Tomlin/Colbert/Teammates be willing to have that happen if AB just kinda tries to coast through his "unpleasantness" and not directly address it? Because that is what he will attempt to do. Just ignore and deny until it is time to strap it up and go.

NCSteeler
02-05-2019, 06:05 PM
Screw them both they are linked to a larger root cause of what is wrong with this team. I hope Steelers paly hardball with both of them

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Hawkman
02-06-2019, 10:13 AM
Gosh. The Rams have no fans and everyone hates the Patriots. So the SB lead-up is talking about Steelers players who didn't even play this year?

This game better not suck or we are going to start getting updates on Chris Boswell's groin.

I would just love for the Steelers......not to be in the news every time a player spits on the ground. People want to blame it on Tomlin, or Mr Rooney, or Colbert but I think the Steelers are just a media target. Maybe it’s a good thing that there is now another team that has six Lombardis.

steelreserve
02-06-2019, 11:48 AM
I would just love for the Steelers......not to be in the news every time a player spits on the ground. People want to blame it on Tomlin, or Mr Rooney, or Colbert but I think the Steelers are just a media target. Maybe it’s a good thing that there is now another team that has six Lombardis.

Well, a big part of it is that we had the #1 running back in the league and the #1 receiver in the league on the same team, and both of those guys are ... malfunctioning ... at the same time. I don't think that's ever happened before.

Hawkman
02-06-2019, 08:32 PM
Well, a big part of it is that we had the #1 running back in the league and the #1 receiver in the league on the same team, and both of those guys are ... malfunctioning ... at the same time. I don't think that's ever happened before.

I’m understanding that, but is that a Tomlin issue because he’s unable to deal with his divas, or a Colbert issue because he was instrumental in drafting them or is it Mr Rooney’s fault because he’s in charge of the team. I’ve lived long enough to remember all the drama around Bradshaw and Joe Gilliam and we got through that, with a couple of more SB rings. Sad to say,losing Gilliam......but that’s another story. With the exception of few games, the Steelers have always had close games, I’m sure my heart is none to pleased about that.....and I’m getting way off the subject of Bell’s potential tag, just trying to get perspective.

Fire Goodell
02-08-2019, 12:37 AM
So for any cap wizards here, how would tagging him benefit us at all? Especially if another team bids higher and we don't match, dont we lose out on a comp pick? Sounds like a lose lose to me, unless we're just trying to prove a point to him that he won't be getting the money he's asking for, and honestly sounds petty. If he's forced to play here under the transition tag, if he complained about 14.5 million or 70 million not being enough, he certainly won't have a good attitude about the transition tag.

vader29
02-08-2019, 06:18 AM
https://i.ibb.co/xXvh434/51518515-2593267380747224-151682211781804032-n.jpg

Dwinsgames
02-08-2019, 08:46 AM
how would tagging him benefit us at all?


here is how it can benefit the Steelers ....

say a few teams are interested and Bell brings back an offer sheet steelers match Bell is then a Steeler for 2019 BUT instead of keeping him we immediately place him on the trade block .... whatever deal we are able to work out becomes ours instead of the late 3rd round comp ...

it is risky to a degree but one has to believe you can trade him for more than a late 3rd round pick

Fire Goodell
02-08-2019, 09:15 AM
here is how it can benefit the Steelers ....

say a few teams are interested and Bell brings back an offer sheet steelers match Bell is then a Steeler for 2019 BUT instead of keeping him we immediately place him on the trade block .... whatever deal we are able to work out becomes ours instead of the late 3rd round comp ...

it is risky to a degree but one has to believe you can trade him for more than a late 3rd round pick

Ok thanks for explaining. Also I hear if we make moves in free agency we may lose out on the comp pick either way, is that true? In that sense it sounds like this may be the way to go, if they're planning on making some signings. Really don't know how comp picks work though

st33lersguy
02-08-2019, 09:40 AM
Bell will not sign any transition tag offered to him. Might as well just let him walk. They already played hardball and won. He lost $14.5 million and a year of his prime and now he still may not get the contract he wants. Bell lost, move on

steelreserve
02-08-2019, 10:06 AM
Ok thanks for explaining. Also I hear if we make moves in free agency we may lose out on the comp pick either way, is that true? In that sense it sounds like this may be the way to go, if they're planning on making some signings. Really don't know how comp picks work though

The tranny tag does not affect comp picks at all. If we lose him to a higher offer, it's treated like a regular free agent loss and factored in to the league's black-box formula. It only ever gives us bullshit anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Where it helps us is in a case like:

Bell: "All right y'all, who's got my $17 mil?"

Colts: "Sorry, we're only willing to pay $9M."

Bell: "Naw, how bout anyone else? New York, I know you got me dog!"

Jets: "Sorry, we got enough problems, we can only offer you a 1-year prove-it deal"

Bell: "All right, well I like partying so I'ma just play with Miami even though the deal's for a little less."

Steelers: "No you're not."

Bell: "Fuck you I hate you. I ain't signing no stupid deal with you."

Steelers: "You don't have to, we matched it. You can play here for $7 million or sit out again."

Bell: "Well I'm gonna bitch on social media and write angry rap lyrics about how unfair it is for pro athletes, and tell everyone that for 7 mil I might as well change my name to Sla'veon."

Steelers: "Whatever Sla'veon, either play football or don't."

Well, actually that still sounds pretty stupid. I don't think there's any way he ever plays for us under that scenario, so it would have to be more like what dwins says, where you sign and trade him, only you could actually trade him this time because he would be on a real multi-year contract, not the franchise tag.

As we're seeing with Brown though, eating all the bonus money up front makes that difficult, and we'd be matching the contract on someone else's terms, so it probably wouldn't be super trade-friendly.

The other thing the tranny tag gives us is more time to negotiate a multi-year deal, even if that is also for a sign-and-trade, and that could be on our terms.

AtlantaDan
02-08-2019, 10:21 AM
FWIW this is what Pro Football Focus contends will be Bell's market value in an article on the top 10 free agents that the Steelers may need to match if they want to play tag & trade with Bell

7. Le’Veon Bell

(https://premium.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/le-veon-bell/7829/snap/summary?season=2018&weekGroup=REGPO)Bell comes with all kinds of red flags. He has had past injuries. He has had off the field suspensions. Nobody knows what kind of shape he is in. He has a lot of miles on his tires from his use in Pittsburgh. But he is dynamic and the best offensive talent that will be available this year. Given the amount of cap space a few teams have this year and how desperate those teams may be expecting someone to match his price but with a backloaded contract to give the team some added protection.” Projection: Four years, $60 million, $33 million GTD

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-projecting-the-top-10-most-expensive-free-agents-in-2019

Gurley flaming out in the NFC championship game and Super Bowl after a knee injury of uncertain severity presumably will not be cited by Bell's agent when seeking a Gurley level contract.

Should the Rams Worry About Todd Gurley’s Mega Contract Extension?

Big-money deals for running backs rarely (if ever) work out long term (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/12/21/18151201/nfl-running-back-value-debate-steelers-chiefs-seahawks-cardinals) and are questionable investments even when they’re playing at a high level (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/7/13/17570142/demarco-murray-retirement-means-for-nfl-running-backs). But if Gurley has already declined before becoming the league’s highest-paid running back, this is a salary catastrophe for the Rams.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/2/5/18212226/todd-gurley-super-bowl-liii-injury-los-angeles-rams-extension

Of course any doubts about long term deals for RBs also will depress the value of what the Steelers may get in a trade if they try to leverage the transition tag system to get a better draft pick in a Bell trade.

Maybe concede this process has not worked out well for anyone and just take whatever compensatory pick you get to close the book on Bell. :noidea:

86WARD
02-08-2019, 11:49 AM
I don’t think the Steelers would scoff at paying him 4 years $60M. What was their original offer again?

NCSteeler
02-08-2019, 11:58 AM
I don’t think the Steelers would scoff at paying him 4 years $60M. What was their original offer again?3-45 I think

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Born2Steel
02-08-2019, 12:36 PM
What makes the most sense to me team-wise is tag Bell. If he signs this time shop him. If a trade works out, GREAT! If not he is a valuable offensive weapon on this team. Again, GREAT! Then after 2019 you let him walk. IMO, he is worth the most to the Steelers on the field, or in trade for comparable talent. I think he has been worth more than a third round comp pick. That would be my last choice but it beats getting nothing.

hawaiiansteeler
02-17-2019, 02:19 PM
Team-by-team look at potential 2019 tag candidates

Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2019

Steelers: Multiple reports have indicated that the Steelers plan to use the transition tag on running back Le'Veon Bell, apparently in the hopes of trading him. If so, things could get even uglier, with a fight over the amount of the tag and a determined lack of cooperation from Bell, who would need to go along with the plan in order for the plan to work the way the Steelers would like it to.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/17/team-by-team-look-at-potential-2019-tag-candidates/