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Shoes
01-13-2019, 08:09 PM
I know this story, on its surface, seems a little silly. It’s a very 2019 one to write about. But if you wanted further indication of Antonio Brown’s unhappiness in Pittsburgh, or at the least, willingness to be traded somewhere else, you have an extra piece of evidence Sunday night. Brown removed references to the Pittsburgh Steelers from his Twitter bio.

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/01/antonio-brown-removes-steelers-reference-from-twitter-bio/

lipps83
01-13-2019, 08:18 PM
Well....this isn't going to smooth anything over.

Shoes
01-13-2019, 08:19 PM
Well....this isn't going to smooth anything over.

Seems like he's following Bell's steps with deleting the twitter stuff. Oh well!

teegre
01-13-2019, 09:27 PM
He also posted a painting he had done of half AB/half Jerry Rice.

Maybe the Niners “love” was due to his self-comparison to Rice. Or, maybe he really does want to be traded there. If he wants to go there, why not? It’s an NFC team AND they seem to want him (so, they’ll pay more).

I’d be fine with trading AB straight up for Mike McGlinchey. I know that most of you would want a pick, but I’d prefer the established player... and, with McGlinchey, our already great O-line would become world changing.

st33lersguy
01-13-2019, 09:39 PM
He also posted a painting he had done of half AB/half Jerry Rice.

Maybe the Niners “love” was due to his self-comparison to Rice. Or, maybe he really does want to be traded there. If he wants to go there, why not? It’s an NFC team AND they seem to want him (so, they’ll pay more).

I’d be fine with trading AB straight up for Mike McGlinchey. I know that most of you would want a pick, but I’d prefer the established player... and, with McGlinchey, our already great O-line would become world changing.

I really do not understand how a guy entering his 2nd year is an established player. 3rd year, maybe if the first 2 were amazing enough, but a guy entering his 2nd year? And I'm sorry to say but I cannot get on board with trading a star player and not even getting even a pick or defensive upgrade at LB or CB. And getting a player in year 2 does not equal a player of Antonio Brown's caliber

Fire Goodell
01-13-2019, 10:41 PM
Eh trade him then. A player that doesn't want to be here will do more harm than good leaving him on the roster

smokin3000gt
01-13-2019, 11:48 PM
well at least he's addressing the negativity..

86WARD
01-14-2019, 05:36 AM
I think he’s posted that painting several times before. That was done around the time people were comparing him to Rice.

teegre
01-14-2019, 06:45 AM
I really do not understand how a guy entering his 2nd year is an established player. 3rd year, maybe if the first 2 were amazing enough, but a guy entering his 2nd year? And I'm sorry to say but I cannot get on board with trading a star player and not even getting even a pick or defensive upgrade at LB or CB. And getting a player in year 2 does not equal a player of Antonio Brown's caliber

A draft pick is a gamble. A large percentage of them never pan out.

As far as an established player goes: yes, I’d prefer a guy who’s done it for a few years, but look at the Niners’ roster. There aren’t many blue chip players on that team, except for McGlinchey and Kittle. (Most would want Kittle, but since he & AB are Twitter “friends” I figured he’d have to stay.) Kittle has only had one great season, but it was record-setting. McGlinchey has only had one great season, but he was hands down the NFC West OROY... and, played well enough to be considered probably in the top 5 of RTs in the entire league.

Again, Kittle & McGlinchey have only done it for one year, but those were great years, AND, one year in the NFL is more than any rookie. As good as Player McDraft “might” be, the first round is rife with players who bottomed out.

One final thought on being “established”... Darius Leonard has only done it for one year, too. Are you telling me you wouldn’t want him on our defense?

As far as CB or ILB: yea, I looked there. Fred Warner looks pretty good, but I wouldn’t put him in the same class as Kittle & McGlinchey.

SUMMATION:
I’d rather have the “sure thing” in McGlinchey than risk everything on a rookie who “might” be really good.

EzraTank
01-14-2019, 06:48 AM
AB's best bet would be to delete his twitter account altogether and remove himself from the bane that is Twitter.

Watched a really interesting Joe Rogan podcast with social psychologist Jonathan Haidt as his guest. It's two hours long but worth it, especially if you have kids that are starting to use technology devices. Haidt talked about how pre-teen, teen and college kids depression and suicide numbers spiked with the advent of the iPhone and social media. If you have kids that are pre-teen, teen or entering college I urge you to watch this podcast (Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6HbWw2RF4)). It talks about kids and how we have F'd them up the last generation.

I believe AB falls into this category.

teegre
01-14-2019, 06:51 AM
His best bet would be to delete his twitter account altogether and remove himself from the bane that is Twitter.

Watched a really interesting Joe Rogan podcast with social psychologist Jonathan Haidt as his guest. It's two hours long but worth it. Haidt talked about how pre-teen, teen and college kids depression and suicide numbers spiked with the advent of the iPhone and social media. If you have kids that are pre-teen, teen or entering college I urge you to watch this podcast (Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6HbWw2RF4)). It really talks about kids and how we have F'd them up the last generation.

I believe AB falls into this category.

Great post.

There was a reason that Steve Jobs would not let his own kids use the iPad (and/or iPhone).

EzraTank
01-14-2019, 06:54 AM
Great post.

There was a reason that Steve Jobs would not let his own kids use the iPad (and/or iPhone).

Funny you say this, because Jonathan Haidt brings up this EXACT point that executives at these social media companies won't let their kids use them because they know they are addictive poison especially to a young developing mind.

teegre
01-14-2019, 06:56 AM
Funny you say this, because Jonathan Haidt brings up this EXACT point that executives at these social media companies won't let their kids use them because they know they are addictive poison especially to a young developing mind.

EXACTLY!!!

EzraTank
01-14-2019, 06:58 AM
My son (who is about to turn 12) asked for a phone. We said no way. We only let him use tablets to play games or do homework research. My wife has always refused to get a Facebook/Twitter account (she's smart) and we will not let him get one either until he's out of high school. I work with so many people (I'm in IT) that have told me nightmare stories about how their kids changed the minute they gave them a phone, especially the girls.

My advice to parents HOLD OUT, DON'T GIVE IN when they beg.

teegre
01-14-2019, 07:09 AM
My son (who is about to turn 12) asked for a phone. We said no way. We only let him use tablets to play games or do homework research. My wife has always refused to get a Facebook/Twitter account (she's smart) and we will not let him get one either until he's out of high school. I work with so many people (I'm in IT) that have told me nightmare stories about how their kids changed the minute they gave them a phone, especially the girls.

My advice to parents HOLD OUT, DON'T GIVE IN when they beg.

This post needs to be pinned.

86WARD
01-14-2019, 07:36 AM
The 49ers aren’t giving up Kittle...

Edman
01-14-2019, 08:38 AM
My son (who is about to turn 12) asked for a phone. We said no way. We only let him use tablets to play games or do homework research. My wife has always refused to get a Facebook/Twitter account (she's smart) and we will not let him get one either until he's out of high school. I work with so many people (I'm in IT) that have told me nightmare stories about how their kids changed the minute they gave them a phone, especially the girls.

My advice to parents HOLD OUT, DON'T GIVE IN when they beg.

Prevention is better than the cure. Good look. Your son will appreciate it later down the road.

teegre
01-14-2019, 08:44 AM
The 49ers aren’t giving up Kittle...

:nod:


Most would want Kittle, but since he & AB are Twitter “friends” I figured he’d have to stay.

Michael
01-14-2019, 09:27 AM
AB's best bet would be to delete his twitter account altogether and remove himself from the bane that is Twitter.

Watched a really interesting Joe Rogan podcast with social psychologist Jonathan Haidt as his guest. It's two hours long but worth it, especially if you have kids that are starting to use technology devices. Haidt talked about how pre-teen, teen and college kids depression and suicide numbers spiked with the advent of the iPhone and social media. If you have kids that are pre-teen, teen or entering college I urge you to watch this podcast (Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6HbWw2RF4)). It talks about kids and how we have F'd them up the last generation.

I believe AB falls into this category.

I appreciate the post I previewed the referral of the Joe Rogan podcast. I will watch the entire two hours and look forward to the enlightenment. AB is most certainly is in an unhealthy category. My elementary observation is that it is ego based and an obvious need to be recognized & applauded well beyond normal. I saw the void being temporarily filled when he was on Dancing with the Stars. Hollywood's acculturation is extremely damaging. Beyond my ability to describe. Many people have lost their True Self. Think for moment what a sense of well being AB should have within himself. He is just like a drug addict he needs more and more when he has so much to be grateful for. He does need serious help but I would suspect his false friends are applauding his greatness.

Mojouw
01-14-2019, 12:41 PM
Related to all this discussion is the acknowledgement by a now ex-Facebook employee who was in on the ground floor design of the platform. He has admitted on the record that they sorta knowingly designed a "digital drug". That "likes" and "re-posts" on Facebook hit the same dopamine receptors in your brain that recreational narcotics engage.

There are longer more detailed pieces floating around, but this is the idea -- https://adage.com/article/digital/sean-parker-worries-facebook-rotting-children-s-brains/311238/

I have no idea if this relates to AB, but it wouldn't be a stretch that a narcissistic, ego driven, alpha athlete has problems making good social media choices.

hawaiiansteeler
01-14-2019, 01:29 PM
He also posted a painting he had done of half AB/half Jerry Rice.

Maybe the Niners “love” was due to his self-comparison to Rice. Or, maybe he really does want to be traded there. If he wants to go there, why not? It’s an NFC team AND they seem to want him (so, they’ll pay more).


Jerry Rice: Steelers WR Antonio Brown wants to play for 49ers 'really badly'

Michael Middlehurst-Schwartz, USA TODAY
Jan. 14, 2019

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/steelers/2019/01/14/antonio-brown-pittsburgh-steelers-jerry-rice-niners/2572232002/

st33lersguy
01-14-2019, 02:56 PM
I would not trade AB to the 49ers unless they are willing to give up the 2nd pick. A franchise WR like that is worth the 2nd overall pick and if they want to keep it tough.

hawaiiansteeler
01-14-2019, 03:52 PM
I would not trade AB to the 49ers unless they are willing to give up the 2nd pick. A franchise WR like that is worth the 2nd overall pick and if they want to keep it tough.

if I'm the 49ers I might consider giving up the 34th overall pick for AB, but no way do I trade the 2nd overall selection for a 31 year old malcontent diva WR making a huge salary.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
01-14-2019, 07:57 PM
Jerry Rice: Steelers WR Antonio Brown wants to play for 49ers 'really badly'

Michael Middlehurst-Schwartz, USA TODAY
Jan. 14, 2019

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/steelers/2019/01/14/antonio-brown-pittsburgh-steelers-jerry-rice-niners/2572232002/ Trade him to them. When we have to play them we will win easy cause we got Artie Burns! He is so use to shutting down AB in practice the last couple years!

86WARD
01-14-2019, 10:17 PM
49ers don’t have what it takes to trade for Brown...unless the Steelers give Brown away for under his actual value.

st33lersguy
01-14-2019, 10:25 PM
if I'm the 49ers I might consider giving up the 34th overall pick for AB, but no way do I trade the 2nd overall selection for a 31 year old malcontent diva WR making a huge salary.

Then I'd say no deal and tell brown the 49ers didn't want him enough (haha)

On a serious note, if they cant get a first for brown then they should feel embarrassed

teegre
01-15-2019, 06:40 AM
49ers don’t have what it takes to trade for Brown...unless the Steelers give Brown away for under his actual value.

Every other team knows that the Steelers sort of “have to” trade AB. So, the Steelers lose leverage.

Except, since AB wants to play for the Niners, it collies some of that leverage back towards the Steelers (when negotiating with the Niners).

86WARD
01-15-2019, 09:25 AM
Every other team knows that the Steelers sort of “have to” trade AB. So, the Steelers lose leverage.

Except, since AB wants to play for the Niners, it collies some of that leverage back towards the Steelers (when negotiating with the Niners).

Steelers don’t HAVE to trade him but even going on that basis that they do have to, the 49ers aren’t going to give up the #2 pick and AB is worth much more than the 34 pick. If it’s not a first round pick plus, it’s not enough.

teegre
01-15-2019, 09:33 AM
Steelers don’t HAVE to trade him but even going on that basis that they do have to, the 49ers aren’t going to give up the #2 pick and AB is worth much more than the 34 pick. If it’s not a first round pick plus, it’s not enough.

Indeed. Ergo, give me a player.

If it “has” to be a pick... the #34 pick and a R1 in 2020.

cubanstogie
01-15-2019, 10:02 AM
Take 49ers round one and round 2, we give them AB and our round 1. So we are getting a second rounder but moving up 18 spots in first.

Mojouw
01-15-2019, 10:33 AM
Does anyone know what happens cap wise if they just don't do anything? Say AB doesn't report because he wants traded and the team just sits on its hands. Do they get cap relief like with the Bell situation?

AtlantaDan
01-15-2019, 10:45 AM
Does anyone know what happens cap wise if they just don't do anything? Say AB doesn't report because he wants traded and the team just sits on its hands. Do they get cap relief like with the Bell situation?

Bell was not under contract and the salary for each week he failed to report was taken off the cap since the Steelers no longer had to pay him for that week once he failed to report

Brown is under contract - my understanding is they cannot get his salary off the cap if he was not traded and failed to report unless they release him, which is not going to happen. In the unlikely event they would release him there still would be cap implications for his prorated bonus.

This was discussed when Earl Thomas was threatening not to report in Seattle last summer

During the regular season, players are paid weekly and Thomas would get docked 1/17th of his base salary ...

Could the Seahawks just cut Thomas?
A: They could. A release of Thomas would save $8.5 million for the 2018 season both in cash and against the salary cap.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-safety-earl-thomas-holdout-faq/

With regard to how a bonus hits the cap for a released player

Whatever the reason, the Collective Bargaining Agreement allows teams to escape contracts for basically any reason (the only real exception to this is that a player cannot be cut while he is on the team's injury report unless an injury settlement is reached).

So, what happens to a player's salary cap hit if he is cut? That depends heavily on when he's cut.

For any player cut before June 1, all remaining, prorated bonus money accelerates so that it is counted in the current year

For post-June 1 cuts, though, the accounting changes. In this case, only the current year's bonus money is counted against the team's current-year salary cap. All remaining bonus money after the current year .... is accelerated onto the next year's cap.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap

Mojouw
01-15-2019, 10:51 AM
Bell was not under contract and the salary for each week he failed to report was taken off the cap since the Steelers no longer had to pay him for that week once he failed to report

Brown is under contract - my understanding is they cannot get his salary off the cap if he was not traded and failed to report unless they release him, which is not going to happen. In the unlikely event they would release him there still would be cap implications for his prorated bonus.

Whatever the reason, the Collective Bargaining Agreement allows teams to escape contracts for basically any reason (the only real exception to this is that a player cannot be cut while he is on the team's injury report unless an injury settlement is reached).

So, what happens to a player's salary cap hit if he is cut? That depends heavily on when he's cut.

For any player cut before June 1, all remaining, prorated bonus money accelerates so that it is counted in the current year

For post-June 1 cuts, though, the accounting changes. In this case, only the current year's bonus money is counted against the team's current-year salary cap. All remaining bonus money after the current year .... is accelerated onto the next year's cap.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap

I was hoping there was some clause that if a player was holding out or not reporting, you could get cap relief. Because that would basically solve the problem.

AtlantaDan
01-15-2019, 11:15 AM
Continuing to make a play for attention this morning with another inspirational message and promise of something substantive later

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/15/antonio-brown-reiterates-that-an-interview-is-coming-soon/

Dwinsgames
01-15-2019, 12:11 PM
#fakenews #falseprophet

vader29
01-15-2019, 03:44 PM
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/15/antonio-brown-reiterates-that-an-interview-is-coming-soon/

https://i.ibb.co/8xxYsBB/RB.jpg

43Hitman
01-15-2019, 04:41 PM
https://i.ibb.co/8xxYsBB/RB.jpg

:toofunny:

smokin3000gt
01-15-2019, 05:32 PM
"How's business, AB?"

pew pew pew!

Shoes
01-15-2019, 05:38 PM
"How's business, AB?"

pew pew pew!

:lol:

86WARD
01-15-2019, 05:50 PM
"How's business, AB?"

pew pew pew!

As far as he's concerned, everything is A-O-K.