Antonio Brown trade suitors could be led by Broncos

[Shoes]

As the Antonio Brown (http://www.nfl.com/player/antoniobrown/2508061/profile) saga staggers on for the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT), the prospects of the ultra-talented and unhappy wide receiver being traded look to be gaining momentum.
Among the teams that might be interested, based on salary cap space, are the Indianapolis Colts (http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoliscolts/profile?team=IND), New York Jets (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkjets/profile?team=NYJ), San Francisco 49ers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF) and, perhaps leading the way, the Denver Broncos (http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/profile?team=DEN), NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Saturday on NFL Game Day Morning. No matter who the suitor is, the asking price is believed to be a second-round pick and more with the Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) now potentially not just listening to offers (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001009544/article/steelers-president-open-to-trading-wr-antonio-brown), but seeking them.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001009802/article/antonio-brown-trade-suitors-could-be-led-by-broncos

[EzraTank]

Brown hates Ben, wait until rag arm Keenam starts throwing to him. I'd hate to be a watercooler on the Broncos bench.

[86WARD]

This after the report that AB 100% wants to stay in Pittsburgh...lol.

[Method28]

This after the report that AB 100% wants to stay in Pittsburgh...lol.At this point I don't think it matters what AB wants

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[BEERgods225]

The most interesting thing about this post was that the writer suggests that the Steelers could expect a second or maybe a second and third for Brown but not the First that Dallas got for Amari because Amari is younger. Last time I checked, at the time of the trade Amari hadn't done anything in two years. Brown is on biggest streak a WR has ever had. Yes he's 30 and will be 31 by next year but he still has years to go and doesn't show signs of slowing down.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

After watching The Colts today, They really could use him and should take a shot at getting him.

[Fire Goodell]

After watching The Colts today, They really could use him and should take a shot at getting him.

They have enough cap room to grab both AB and Bell lol

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

They have enough cap room to grab both AB and Bell lol Lol and could use both to get them over the hump to the big game.

[Method28]

After watching The Colts today, They really could use him and should take a shot at getting him.Agreed. I mean idk about you, but it's blatantly obvious to me they need to give the farm to get AB, no matter what it costs! They would be unstoppable! So unstoppable in fact, the price isn't a concern. [emoji16]

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[st33lersguy]

They can have AB and Bell and have Frank Reich and Luck deal with that headache, while they have little salary cap to address their defense

[Fire Goodell]

Lol and could use both to get them over the hump to the big game.

Or they could waste a ton of money and build a culture of chronic underachievement :chuckle:

Speaking of chronic, isn't Bell one offense away from a season-long suspension?

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Or they could waste a ton of money and build a culture of chronic underachievement :chuckle:

Speaking of chronic, isn't Bell one offense away from a season-long suspension? Not sure on any Bell suspension but think the underachieving has to do more with their coach.

[st33lersguy]

AB straight up for Von Miller. Do it

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

AB straight up for Von Miller. Do it Wouldn't matter and Butler/Tomlin would have him running around chasing WR'S.

[teegre]

AB straight up for Bradley Chubb. Do it

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Really though. The 10th pick could be the next Big Ben or Troy Polamalu... or, it could be the next Jarvis Jones. Whereas, an established player has almost zero risk.

[st33lersguy]

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Really though. The 10th pick could be the next Big Ben or Troy Polamalu... or, it could be the next Jarvis Jones. Whereas, an established player has almost zero risk.

Chubb would have to include at least a 2nd round pick as well. Not trading a 2nd year still unestablished player for a transcendent player straight up

[teegre]

Chubb would have to include at least a 2nd round pick as well. Not trading a 2nd year still unestablished player for a transcendent player straight up

Chubb broke Miller’s rookie sack record... and, Chubb is seven years younger.

[Fire Goodell]

Chubb broke Miller’s rookie sack record... and, Chubb is seven years younger.

I'd go for that, but they wouldn't. AB is turning 30

[teegre]

I'd go for that, but they wouldn't. AB is turning 30

Age is age, true.

But, AB just had six years unlike ANY receiver in NFL history (even Rice). He’s in top physical condition, and has at least three years left at that level. The only asset that Amari Cooper (who garnered a R1 pick) has over AB is age. Cooper hasn’t had multiple seasons as good as AB’s.

[Rotorhead]

AB for Harris Jr and a second, then we can bundle 2 picks to either move up or have 2 1sts to get an ILB and another WR

[teegre]

AB for Harris Jr and a second, then we can bundle 2 picks to either move up or have 2 1sts to get an ILB and another WR

Chris Harris, Jr. is the best slot CB in the NFL.

But... we have Hilton & Sutton at that position. What we need is a boundary CB.

[Hound]

Patrick Peterson and a second or Jalen Ramsey and a second. If you want the best WR since Rice you gotta pay. The talks of a third and a second is ridiculous.

[teegre]

Patrick Peterson and a second or Jalen Ramsey and a second. If you want the best WR since Rice you gotta pay. The talks of a third and a second is ridiculous.

Most logical... my dream... exactly.

[Shoes]

I could see Elway making a push for AB. I mean the Broncos ended in 3rd place in the division and KC is going to be very good for a long time

[Hound]

Teegre, what would your thoughts be on JJ Watt and a second for AB? Instantly have one of the best D lines in the league.

[Mojouw]

I could see Elway making a push for AB. I mean the Broncos ended in 3rd place in the division and KC is going to be very good for a long time

If Elway does ANYTHING but try and find an actually high-end QB, he is being foolish.

KC has theirs. Oakland either has theirs or will be getting one with their war-chest of picks. Chargers have theirs for 2-3 more years unless Rivers goes off the cliff due to age.

I know this won't be a popular take, but Elway should be TRADING assets (Harris Jr, Sanders, etc) for any and all draft capital he can get his hands on. Then spin that into the highest 2019 draft pick he can get and HOPE some QB is there that can put the Broncos back into the race.

A good young QB. A really good young RB. Miller and Chubb -- that might be enough to make something happen. I would like my chances with that better than Keenum and whatever.

[Fire Goodell]

Well... Elway = Great player, shitty GM :chuckle:

Like Matt Millen, being a great player doesn't mean good management skills.

[Shoes]

If Elway does ANYTHING but try and find an actually high-end QB, he is being foolish.

KC has theirs. Oakland either has theirs or will be getting one with their war-chest of picks. Chargers have theirs for 2-3 more years unless Rivers goes off the cliff due to age.

I know this won't be a popular take, but Elway should be TRADING assets (Harris Jr, Sanders, etc) for any and all draft capital he can get his hands on. Then spin that into the highest 2019 draft pick he can get and HOPE some QB is there that can put the Broncos back into the race.

A good young QB. A really good young RB. Miller and Chubb -- that might be enough to make something happen. I would like my chances with that better than Keenum and whatever.


won't be the first time. :lol:

[Iron Steeler]

49ers 2nd overall pick.
Or their 2nd rounder this year and 1st rounders next year.
And their kicker.

[Method28]

I'd want the 49ers 2nd pick this year, a later pick next year and Goodwin.

Jets....I'd want two firsts.

Broncos I'd want Chubb and a 2nd

GB I'd want their 1st this year, 3rd next year and Jaire Alexander.

If it's not comparable or close to that kinda value, I'd just keep ABand tell him to shut his mouth or sit on the sideline and watch his legacy burn.

But I can be a bitter, grudge holding ***hole [emoji16]



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[teegre]

Teegre, what would your thoughts be on JJ Watt and a second for AB? Instantly have one of the best D lines in the league.

Good question

Firstly, I’m not sure that the Texans would be open to trading a pillar of their community. Peterson has stated that he wanted out of Arizona. Ramsey has stated that he wants out of Jacksonville. But, Watt loves Houston.

Now, let’s say they want to give Watson two #1 targets (imagine trying to cover both AB and Hopkins)... I would take that trade in a heartbeat. I might even just take Watt straight up.

That said, I’m not sure where Watt fits in. There are X’s & O’s to consider, and I’m not a 3- technique vs. 5-techniques expert. But, I’m sure that any DC would love to have Heyward, Tuitt, Hargrave, and Watt as his D-line. Again, I’m not sure if that works technique-wise... but, Heyward has played DE & NT, and thus, he seems like he’d be able to play DT.

[Born2Steel]

Good question

Firstly, I’m not sure that the Texans would be open to trading a pillar of their community. Peterson has stated that he wanted out of Arizona. Ramsey has stated that he wants out of Jacksonville. But, Watt loves Houston.

Now, let’s say they want to give Watson two #1 targets (imagine trying to cover both AB and Hopkins)... I would take that trade in a heartbeat. I might even just take Watt straight up.

That said, I’m not sure where Watt fits in. There are X’s & O’s to consider, and I’m not a 3- technique vs. 5-techniques expert. But, I’m sure that any DC would love to have Heyward, Tuitt, Hargrave, and Watt as his D-line. Again, I’m not sure if that works technique-wise... but, Heyward has played DE & NT, and thus, he seems like he’d be able to play DT.

JJ would take TJ's OLB spot and TJ would become your joker ILB. OR JJ takes Dupree's OLB spot and Dupree becomes your joker ILB. I would do this trade tomorrow.

[teegre]

JJ would take TJ's OLB spot and TJ would become your joker ILB. OR JJ takes Dupree's OLB spot and Dupree becomes your joker ILB. I would do this trade tomorrow.

Bookend Watts. #chills

Now... to call Deshaun Watson (who will call the owner) to convince him that he needs a pair of #1 WRs.

[Hound]

Go to a 4-3 with JJ and Stephon as ends and Cam and Javon as DT. LB are TJ , Vince and Fort. Save 9mil by not picking up Dupree and look to draft a more athletic type DE in the draft to rotate. Thought of JJ and Cam coming after Brady makes me smile.

[Mojouw]

Go to a 4-3 with JJ and Stephon as ends and Cam and Javon as DT. LB are TJ , Vince and Fort. Save 9mil by not picking up Dupree and look to draft a more athletic type DE in the draft to rotate. Thought of JJ and Cam coming after Brady makes me smile.

That LB corps would get eaten alive. But the front would be something to see.

[Hound]

Who would you play at LB?

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This is base 4-3. Sub packages involving extra DB’s would obviously still be used.

[teegre]

Go to a 4-3 with JJ and Stephon as ends and Cam and Javon as DT. LB are TJ , Vince and Fort. Save 9mil by not picking up Dupree and look to draft a more athletic type DE in the draft to rotate. Thought of JJ and Cam coming after Brady makes me smile.

Or, use something similar to the Chargers’ defense (against the Ravens):

4 D-linemen
1 LB*
6 DBs

*TJ Watt

[Mojouw]

Who would you play at LB?

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This is base 4-3. Sub packages involving extra DB’s would obviously still be used.

If they switched to a 4-3 you would need TJ Watt and some LBs that are not currently on the roster. I do not believe that VW, Fort, Bostic, Matakevich, or Chickillo would have success in a 4-3.

VW and Bostic might be okay as 2 down MLBs but teams would likely just hunt them in pass coverages. Fort is just not good enough at any one thing to hold up as a starter.

The rest are just poor scheme fits.

It might be worth it if Watt is still Watt.

[teegre]

If they switched to a 4-3 you would need TJ Watt and some LBs that are not currently on the roster. I do not believe that VW, Fort, Bostic, Matakevich, or Chickillo would have success in a 4-3.

VW and Bostic might be okay as 2 down MLBs but teams would likely just hunt them in pass coverages. Fort is just not good enough at any one thing to hold up as a starter.

The rest are just poor scheme fits.

It might be worth it if Watt is still Watt.

The thing is... we really only have TJ, and thus, we sort of need to acquire two (or three) LBs anyway.

[Hound]

Fort is actually perfect to be a offside LB in a 4-3. Athletic and good in space. But I wouldn’t be upset to get Devin White or Mack Wilson in the draft.

[Mojouw]

The thing is... we really only have TJ, and thus, we sort of need to acquire two (or three) LBs anyway.

Yeah. I said it could work. If this off season is operation find linebackers and corners that don't stink, it shouldn't matter what scheme. But if you go 4-3, you gotta cut everyone not named Watt

[Mojouw]

Fort is actually perfect to be a offside LB in a 4-3. Athletic and good in space. But I wouldn’t be upset to get Devin White or Mack Wilson in the draft.

I promise you that a team that starts Fort will not win many games.

[teegre]

But if you go 4-3, you gotta cut everyone not named Watt

Might not be such a bad thing. :lol:

[Mojouw]

Might not be such a bad thing. :lol:

You all are talking me into it.

[Hound]

I agree we need upgrades at lib and cb. But how much stink would that from four cover up? Can always dream.

[teegre]

I agree we need upgrades at lib and cb. But how much stink would that from four cover up? Can always dream.

Exactly

You give me that D-line and then acquire two LBs with our first two picks... we might be fine with Sensabaugh at CB.

(The front seven would mask the deficiencies of the secondary.)

[Born2Steel]

Still get the 2 LBs early in the draft. Keep your DL and OLBs in what is basically a 5 man front. Every OL has to account for a man which means no double teams. 1 on 1 matchups allows for Hilton/VW/Bostic type blitzes as well as our guys will win those 1on1s about 40%-50% of the time. ILBs that can be 3 down guys is mostly what we are missing from the current lineup. Would still really like a RCB as well but I will take the 2 LBs this year.

[Mojouw]

I just worry that two years of leading the league in sacks hasn't consistently masked much of anything.

[Hound]

Lack of turnovers compared to the amount of sacks is the issue. They should be hand and hand.

[teegre]

Lack of turnovers

That

[Mojouw]

Lack of turnovers compared to the amount of sacks is the issue. They should be hand and hand.

Totally agree! I just think that any further improvement to the front 4/pass rush will be undermined by the inability of anyone on the backend to generate turnovers out of all that pass rush.

Could be Reggie White/Warren Sapp/Joe Greene/JJ Watt backed by TJ Watt/KJ Wright/Lawrence Taylor but if no one can get an INT or 4 -- then it still might look bad at times.

[86WARD]

Or, use something similar to the Chargers’ defense (against the Ravens):

4 D-linemen
1 LB*
6 DBs

*TJ Watt

This is the direction a few of us thought they were going when they drafted Edmunds and signed Burnett.

[Hound]

The Steelers actually played way more sub packages than base. Unfortunately, offensive coordinators adjusted and the brain trust running our defense didn’t. Still don’t understand how a larger change didn’t occur to the defensive coaching staff.

[Born2Steel]

This is the direction a few of us thought they were going when they drafted Edmunds and signed Burnett.

Agreed. Until Burnett couldn't stay on the field and the other 5 DBs basically regressed back to highschool level play. Then it became VW was the better option in coverage.(Slight exaggeration)

[BEERgods225]

Ya'll done lost your minds. I get that AB has six consecutive seasons under his belt of tremendous production and NO track record of injury......but he is still 31, injuries can come on at any time with anyone and are usually age related. Plus he's a Diva/cancer in the locker room forcing his way out of Pittsburgh. Couple that with the production he has had is because he's had a HOF QB forcing him the ball. Regardless of what we all think or how we all feel, these GM's aren't all stupid. They know the temperature in the locker room at Three Rivers, they're not going to give you the farm to bail you out of your cancer ridden situation that you've created.

Oakland got a 1 for Amari because he has a season of showing the league what he's capable of and he's trapped on a team with no talent. GM's weren't blaming him for his faults. More so they were trading for his talent and age. He did what he did without the benefit of an offense or QB helping him.

AB has the best of everything in Pittsburgh and now he's old.

If someone like SF, who has a QB, wants to get in on the deal then I might could see a potential for a 1 to be discussed. However, I don't see a team giving up a Watt, Ramsey, Peterson and picks that's just crazy talk. Maybe a disgrutled player like Ramsey straight up, MAYBE. Watt is a Pipe dream without or without picks. Even if they called and offered, we can't afford him.

I think it's possible that we can get a first from someone in the NFC, I don't see them trading him to an AFC team. However, I think it's more likely that we'll see a second in 2019 and a conditional in the 2020.

NOTE: We could be deep in the third round in 2020 if we manage to get a 3rd RD Comp pick for Bell too.

Either way, I think people need to get their expectations under control. What did we get for Santonio Holmes who was young and had just made a huge name for himself in the SB? Not much, a fifth I think. What did Mike Wallace make in FA? A bit but he didn't see it because without Ben he has floated around the league unable to duplicate his success. I get these players are not of AB's caliber but they were extremely talented and MUCH younger than he is now. No GM is going to mortgage their future by giving up a talented player and high round picks. maybe one or the other but not both.

This isn't Kevin Costner milking Jacksonville's rookie GM.

[pczach]

This defense needs playmakers. They need secondary players that can cover but also come with ball skills to create turnovers. They also need someone besides Watt that forces fumbles. Stripping the football needs to become part of the defensive culture and something that is preached and practiced. It can be an acquired skill to a certain degree.

They need speed and athleticism at ILB to fill the huge void created since Ryan Shazier went down. I still have wet dreams thinking about Watt and Shazier on the field at the same time at the height of their powers...…...sigh.

An upgrade over Dupree would be nice, but they have been pretty effective at rushing the quarterback with him in there.

If they can get Patrick Peterson or Jaylen Ramsey......yes please.

JJ Watt would be great, but if it takes TJ out of a prominent pass rushing role, I don't know that you are maximizing his talents. He is a physical freak, and could probably be a problem for offenses almost anywhere on the front 7 with his instincts, athleticism, football IQ, and motor.

My preference would probably be to get their hands on an elite cover corner. It would give them a shut down corner opposite Haden, and allow them to have their best CB play straight up without help most of the time and free up the other secondary players to double team more, play bracket coverage, and simply have more of an advantage in numbers to take away weapons in coverage. If they got Peterson or Ramsey, they can take the #2 WR all game, and then double the offense's #1 WR if they have an elite player at the position. It changes the way you are able to handle offenses and even gives you advantages stopping the running game because you win the numbers game needing less players to hold up in coverage or you can play press man and it frees up defenders near the LOS.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I promise you that a team that starts Fort will not win many games.

But what if that team uses Vince Williams to cover their #1 receiving threat??:wink02:

[86WARD]

But what if that team uses Vince Williams to cover their #1 receiving threat??:wink02:

Or LJ Fort in the same fashion...

[Mojouw]

But what if that team uses Vince Williams to cover their #1 receiving threat??:wink02:

Already been covered at length. That isn't a winning strategy either. Especially when you choose to do that and still only rush 4-5!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Or LJ Fort in the same fashion...

Yeah, covering a teams best receiver with your special teamer ILB probably isn't good either.


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[hawaiiansteeler]

JuJu Smith-Schuster wants Antonio Brown to stay

Posted by Darin Gantt on January 14, 2019

Steelers wideout JuJu Smith-Schuster is replacing Antonio Brown in the Pro Bowl, but he hopes he gets another chance to play alongside him.

Via Chris Pastrick of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Smith-Schuster said during a YouTube Q and A that he’s hoping Brown and the Steelers can stand down.

“No, I don’t want AB traded,” Smith-Schuster said. “He makes me better. He makes the team better. He’s awesome. He’s a great dude.

to read rest of article:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/14/juju-smith-schuster-wants-antonio-brown-to-stay/

[fansince'76]

If Elway does ANYTHING but try and find an actually high-end QB, he is being foolish.

Exactly. Think AB is a malcontent now? Put him on a team with a QB who can't even get him the ball.

[Mojouw]

Exactly. Think AB is a malcontent now? Put him on a team with a QB who can't even get him the ball.

Right? Although, Elway does like to star hunt -- so this will probably actually happen and should be quite the roller-coaster.

[AtlantaDan]

After watching The Colts today, They really could use him and should take a shot at getting him.

This column in the Indy Star claims Colts GM Ballard is not going to bring the AB drama into the Colts locker room

Interesting perspective from a local writer covering another team rather than national writers as to how the Steelers situation is viewed

Guys like Antonio Brown, Le'Veon Bell will never play for this Colts GM

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2019/01/14/antonio-brown-leveon-bell-never-play-colts-chris-ballard/2574206002/