The Steelers - Pin-pointing where the DRAMA came from.

[Iron Steeler]

How did we become the most dramatic team in NFL History? Admit it. We are all asking our selves "when did this start??" Sometime you need to look back in time to explain what is happening now.

Lets take a look at a quick timeline.

2004 Season
- Ben gets drafted, Goes on 15 game win streak. Becomes KING of Pittsburgh over night.
2005 Season
- Ben wins his first super bowl on the Bus's last ride and one of the greatest Defenses we ever had.
2006 OFF Season
- Ben feels invincible and gets into a motorcycle accident.
2008 Season
- Superbowl champs. Mike Tomlins 2nd Year Youngest Coach to do so . Deemed a Players Coach .
- At this moment in Steelers timeline , IMO Ben still was not "THE Leader" of this team.

*This is the moment I feel it went the wrong way*

2009- Off Season
- Ben gets accused of sexual assault in Lake Tahoe
2010 OFF Season
- Ben is accused again of sexual assault in Millegeville GA.
- Antonio Brown and Emmanual Sanders is drafted. Born into a dramatic Culture.
- Young Money Crew is born and short lived. But the culture lived on.

2010 Season
- Ben is suspended 4 games and he goes 3-1 with out him. Kudos to Tomlin here.
- Steelers duck the Patriots (luckily) and make it to the Superbowl lose to Packers.
- Reports say Ben is out partying before Superbowl. Dumb move since everyone hates him at this point in time
2011 Season
- Tebow mania erupts on the Steelers. The world is introduced to Demerious Thomas.
- Steelers get caught going through the motions looking ahead to the Pats. Forget to play this day.
- The great defense is starting to age.
- Social media starting to become a huge factor in Pro Sports.
2013 Off Season- Leveon Bell is drafted. Antonio Brown is Team MVP and made Pro Bowl as WR 1st time.
- At this moment in time Antonio Brown is heating up.
- James Harrison is a Bengal.
- Ben is starting to to Grow up. Married and a new born. ( Might be too late though)
2014-NOW ( I call this Tomlin losing the locker room era)
-2015- Bell busted for weed with Blount.
- 2017 - James Harrison trashes coaches has sense of entitlement. Cut and then signed by the Patriots.
- A cluster of play off appearances and early exits.
-Ben now after 10 years wants to play leader.


Summation:
We all love to point figures at Tomlin(my self included) although we always give Big Ben a pass. Ben is a major reason of the drama we have today.Also, the way that Tomlin handles Ben. In my opinion Tomlin came in a great situation with a great team and has given Ben driving privileges with the metaphorical car that is the team. Although Ben has not been quite a great leader for the most part of his career. Great player, great heroics on field, but culture establishment not so much. Tomlin should have been the culture king not Ben, I sense sometimes he is afraid of Ben.

In my opinion the Drama we have today is 50/50 split because of Ben and Tomlin.


Let me know what you all think.

[GoSlash27]

- Social media starting to become a huge factor in Pro Sports.
I'd say this is the point.

[fansince'76]

I think without Roethlisberger we're still sitting at 4 Lombardis and are rapidly approaching a 40-year SB drought.

I also think all the "drama" bullshit is massively overblown and much ado about nothing. At the end of the day, these are grown men making hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars per year, not a bunch of high school kids. I'm not "pals" with everyone I work with either.

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Steelers duck the Patriots (luckily) and make it to the Superbowl lose to Packers.

And one other thing - exactly how did they "duck" the Patriots? They came back from a 21-7 deficit to beat the Ravens to move on to the 2010 AFCCG while the Patriots choked at home against Butt Fumble and the Jets.

[st33lersguy]

I agree. Domineering, too quick to call out teammates, and of course the coaches and maybe the FO appear to be ceding too much control to him. Hell he had too much control over the play-calling, leading to the team abandoning the run when the run was working and it hurt the team and cost at least one game.

Of course don't tell this to some people. He's the reason the main reason the team has 6 Super Bowls instead of 4 now and is far and away the best QB the team has had since Bradshaw and because of this, some people believe he should be immune to any and all criticism

[fansince'76]

I agree. Domineering, too quick to call out teammates, and of course the coaches and maybe the FO appear to be ceding too much control to him. Hell he had too much control over the play-calling, leading to the team abandoning the run when the run was working and it hurt the team and cost at least one game.

Of course don't tell this to some people. He's the reason the main reason the team has 6 Super Bowls instead of 4 now and is far and away the best QB the team has had since Bradshaw and because of this, some people believe he should be immune to any and all criticism

Spoken like another fan who's too young to really remember anything before the Roethlisberger era. It's OK, you'll be getting your wish soon.

[vasteeler]

Ugh...i think I need to stay away for a few months. I probably won't but need to.

[Edman]

Ben is the double-edged sword. While it is true he was a major part of the Super Bowl teams and the Steelers don’t win them without him, Ben has been Elevated to diety status in Pittsburgh. Ben got this idea that only HE was the reason why the Steelers won, and it shot his ego through the roof. Never mind the fact that he was horrible in XL, and was only mediocre in XLIII and XLV, And was never the driving force of those Steeler teams, in the eyes of Steeler fans, Ben could do no wrong.

Back in the years on the old Fever and even this board. Whenever things went wrong for the Steelers, blame was cast on everyone else. The Coaches. The Defense, and especially the offensive coordinators. Ben was absolved of all accountability and criticism. The Pittsburgh media left him alone and blamed everyone else. Ben was untouchable, and woe be to anyone who dared to criticize him.

Fast forward to today, the old players are long gone, the offensive coordinator scapegoats are gone, and Ben is all alone as the veteran face in the locker room. We’re beginning to see all of his warts. Ben is the shotcaller, but he is not a true leader.

[st33lersguy]

Spoken like another fan who's too young to really remember anything before the Roethlisberger era. It's OK, you'll be getting your wish soon.

My point proven exactly. Criticism of Ben is not a wish for the Malone/Bubby/O Donnell/Kordell/etc era and it really is sad that someone can't criticize a player without being told "you just want shitty QB play" or something along those lines

[fansince'76]

My point proven exactly. Criticism of Ben is not a wish for the Malone/Bubby/O Donnell/Kordell/etc era and it really is sad that someone can't criticize a player without being told "you just want shitty QB play" or something along those lines

What "point?" Everything's Roethlisberger's fault? Sorry to disagree.

[PalmerSteel]

dont forget also in 2008 and 2009 during Ben's troubles / fame was Holmes troubles / fame. One had to go after 2009 and it end up being Holmes but he was the original "bell" before bell risk / reward

[Dwinsgames]

every man in that locker room needs to take a long look in the mirror as they all had a hand in what the 2018 season became , players and coaches alike .

[Butch]

Ben is the double-edged sword. While it is true he was a major part of the Super Bowl teams and the Steelers don’t win them without him, Ben has been Elevated to diety status in Pittsburgh. Ben got this idea that only HE was the reason why the Steelers won, and it shot his ego through the roof. Never mind the fact that he was horrible in XL, and was only mediocre in XLIII and XLV, And was never the driving force of those Steeler teams, in the eyes of Steeler fans, Ben could do no wrong.

Back in the years on the old Fever and even this board. Whenever things went wrong for the Steelers, blame was cast on everyone else. The Coaches. The Defense, and especially the offensive coordinators. Ben was absolved of all accountability and criticism. The Pittsburgh media left him alone and blamed everyone else. Ben was untouchable, and woe be to anyone who dared to criticize him.

Fast forward to today, the old players are long gone, the offensive coordinator scapegoats are gone, and Ben is all alone as the veteran face in the locker room. We’re beginning to see all of his warts. Ben is the shotcaller, but he is not a true leader.
Where do you come up with Ben got the idea that only HE was the reason the Steelers won?

He was horrible in XL but he was pretty spectacular in Denver, Indy and not bad in Cincy to get us to XL. Never the driving force? He did a damn good job of driving the team to countless come from behind wins against teams like Baltimore and Dallas and had a damn memorable drive in 43 after the 1st play the o-line took a penalty. And as far as credit goes he gave credit to his horrible o-line after 43.

Ben has been criticized his entire career from the media, never has he been given much credit for what he does right only what he does wrong. Never mentioned with the top tier QBs just a step below them. Hell even Eli got more credit than Ben.

I have no problem with Ben being the leader of this team.

[Iron Steeler]

I think without Roethlisberger we're still sitting at 4 Lombardis and are rapidly approaching a 40-year SB drought.

I also think all the "drama" bullshit is massively overblown and much ado about nothing. At the end of the day, these are grown men making hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars per year, not a bunch of high school kids. I'm not "pals" with everyone I work with either.

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And one other thing - exactly how did they "duck" the Patriots? They came back from a 21-7 deficit to beat the Ravens to move on to the 2010 AFCCG while the Patriots choked at home against Butt Fumble and the Jets.

We lucked out by not playing the Patriots that year.

[Craic]

We lucked out by not playing the Patriots that year.

So what. The Pats* lucked out every time they didn't have to play the Ravens in the playoffs because the Ravens had their number. The Ravens luck out every time they don't have to play the Steelers in the playoffs because the only time they've beat us in the playoffs is when we were down a few people to injuries and weren't going anywhere that year because of it. I can go on, but that really doesn't make any sense. Every team has a nemesis that seems to have their number.

[Iron Steeler]

So what. The Pats* lucked out every time they didn't have to play the Ravens in the playoffs because the Ravens had their number. The Ravens luck out every time they don't have to play the Steelers in the playoffs because the only time they've beat us in the playoffs is when we were down a few people to injuries and weren't going anywhere that year because of it. I can go on, but that really doesn't make any sense. Every team has a nemesis that seems to have their number.

Just answering a question directed towards me.

[Iron Steeler]

Where do you come up with Ben got the idea that only HE was the reason the Steelers won?

He was horrible in XL but he was pretty spectacular in Denver, Indy and not bad in Cincy to get us to XL. Never the driving force? He did a damn good job of driving the team to countless come from behind wins against teams like Baltimore and Dallas and had a damn memorable drive in 43 after the 1st play the o-line took a penalty. And as far as credit goes he gave credit to his horrible o-line after 43.

Ben has been criticized his entire career from the media, never has he been given much credit for what he does right only what he does wrong. Never mentioned with the top tier QBs just a step below them. Hell even Eli got more credit than Ben.

I have no problem with Ben being the leader of this team.

Ben is phenomenal and we are so spoiled to have him, and the run we have had for the past 15 years have been great compared to majority of the NFL.

When I say leading I mean leading the culture and focus of the locker room. This is where he lacked in leadership. Super early success inflated his ego tremendously. We are now currently hating on Bell and Antonio brown for some of the same reasons Ben did early in his career. Getting himself in trouble with the law. Seen out partying the night before the superbowl. Carelessly driving motor vehicles . Just a few examples of similarities to present day Bell and Brown.

Not until around 2013-2014 when he got married and had a kid did his characteristics start to change. Imagine if we he had the same demeanor when we enter the league. It is almost like he is trying to demand focus and culture now in the end of his career. Imaging if he were an established leader like a Peyton, Brees, dare I say Brady(That hurt me too). If he had the same focus and demeanor back in 2004 , I think this team would have won 2 more SBs .

[Edman]

He was horrible in XL but he was pretty spectacular in Denver, Indy and not bad in Cincy to get us to XL. Never the driving force?

In 2005, the Steelers had the reputation of "Cowher Power" and smashmouth football. Teams geared up to stop the Bettis/Parker combo. It was because of this reputation and balanced offense that Ben was able to thrive. Ben caught teams by surprise that postseason by throwing the football. There was even a common stat trend during those days that Ben only threw the ball 15-20 times a game. This wasn't some kind of air circus the Steelers put on to get to the Super Bowl. Ben wasn't the engine that drove the team, but he was still a major part of it.


He did a damn good job of driving the team to countless come from behind wins against teams like Baltimore and Dallas and had a damn memorable drive in 43 after the 1st play the o-line took a penalty. And as far as credit goes he gave credit to his horrible o-line after 43.

After the Defense pretty much held Baltimore and Dallas in check for 50 minutes. Super Bowl 43 was Santonio Holmes. All Ben had to do was find him. As unfair as it is to Ben, but it was Santonio's catch that people remember, not Ben's throw. And as I mentioned, Ben was mostly mediocre in XLIII outside of that one drive and was thoroughly outplayed by Warner.

[vasteeler]

In 2005, the Steelers had the reputation of "Cowher Power" and smashmouth football. Teams geared up to stop the Bettis/Parker combo. It was because of this reputation and balanced offense that Ben was able to thrive. Ben caught teams by surprise that postseason by throwing the football. There was even a common stat trend during those days that Ben only threw the ball 15-20 times a game. This wasn't some kind of air circus the Steelers put on to get to the Super Bowl. Ben wasn't the engine that drove the team, but he was still a major part of it.



After the Defense pretty much held Baltimore and Dallas in check for 50 minutes. Super Bowl 43 was Santonio Holmes. All Ben had to do was find him. As unfair as it is to Ben, but it was Santonio's catch that people remember, not Ben's throw. And as I mentioned, Ben was mostly mediocre in XLIII outside of that one drive and was thoroughly outplayed by Warner.

That last paragraph is laughable. "All Ben had to do was find him"!?!?...hahahahahaha!!!...lay off the dope...dope

[86WARD]

every man in that locker room needs to take a long look in the mirror as they all had a hand in what the 2018 season became , players and coaches alike .

They really do need a reality check.

[FrancoLambert]

I'd say this is the point.

I think the locker room respect for the coach and each other took the biggest hit when AB was facebooking/snapchatting/instagramming/tindering/whatever the hell else there is/ while the head coach was addressing the team.

[Butch]

In 2005, the Steelers had the reputation of "Cowher Power" and smashmouth football. Teams geared up to stop the Bettis/Parker combo. It was because of this reputation and balanced offense that Ben was able to thrive. Ben caught teams by surprise that postseason by throwing the football. There was even a common stat trend during those days that Ben only threw the ball 15-20 times a game. This wasn't some kind of air circus the Steelers put on to get to the Super Bowl. Ben wasn't the engine that drove the team, but he was still a major part of it.



After the Defense pretty much held Baltimore and Dallas in check for 50 minutes. Super Bowl 43 was Santonio Holmes. All Ben had to do was find him. As unfair as it is to Ben, but it was Santonio's catch that people remember, not Ben's throw. And as I mentioned, Ben was mostly mediocre in XLIII outside of that one drive and was thoroughly outplayed by Warner.

Yeah teams may have geared up to stop the run game the 1st time they saw Ben but they knew they had to stop him the next time they played him. Also it's not about how many times he threw it's about what happened when he did. In his rookie year when we played the cowboys his scrambling and passing is what won the game. That very well may have been his 1st ever come from behind in the 4th quarter to win the game. I will never forget his 1st 5 TD game when he shrugged off the attempted tackle by Bart Scott and threw a TD. That was what made Ben stand out from any other QB. His ability to not only escape but to make a big play after he got away. His one great pass in 40 was after he escaped a possible sack and threw one up to Hines.BTW while the D may have kept the games close we would not have won if Tommy Gun was the QB.

43 was about a lot more things than just the catchs. Harrison, Holmes and Ben to say otherwise is revisionist history. Ben's pump fake was key to getting us deep into cards territory and his pass to win it was perfectly thrown. Just over the defenders reach and just where Holmes could catch it. Santonio made a helluva catch but it's nothing without the throw being right where it needed to be. Yeah Ben was so thoroughly out played by Warner, well besides the game winning drive and that pick that he threw before the 1/2, but what ever you say

Ben is not the only reason we won, but he was the key piece that was missing from the team being good to the team being great.

It's ok that you hate Ben, but you don't have to try to make shit up.

[Hawkman]

WOW! Just finished reading “asked and answered”. For those who think there was a lot of drama in 2018, wait til you read about 1977. 2018 was nothing compared to that year. Just no social media back then.

[tube517]

WOW! Just finished reading “asked and answered”. For those who think there was a lot of drama in 2018, wait til you read about 1977. 2018 was nothing compared to that year. Just no social media back then.

Yep. Alot of drama that (pre) season. Alot.

https://www.steelers.com/news/asked-and-answered-jan-8

[DesertSteel]

Summation:
We all love to point figures at Tomlin(my self included) although we always give Big Ben a pass. Ben is a major reason of the drama we have today.Also, the way that Tomlin handles Ben. In my opinion Tomlin came in a great situation with a great team and has given Ben driving privileges with the metaphorical car that is the team. Although Ben has not been quite a great leader for the most part of his career. Great player, great heroics on field, but culture establishment not so much. Tomlin should have been the culture king not Ben, I sense sometimes he is afraid of Ben.

In my opinion the Drama we have today is 50/50 split because of Ben and Tomlin.


Let me know what you all think.
I'm pretty sure that Ben doesn't always get a pass around here, and deservedly so.

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That last paragraph is laughable. "All Ben had to do was find him"!?!?...hahahahahaha!!!...lay off the dope...dope
Yeah that was one of the best passes in NFL history.

[Edman]

Ben is not the only reason we won, but he was the key piece that was missing from the team being good to the team being great.

Thank you for re-iterating what I've already said.


That last paragraph is laughable. "All Ben had to do was find him"!?!?...hahahahahaha!!!...lay off the dope...dope

Yeah that was one of the best passes in NFL history.

Ben threw seven passes on the final drive. Five of them went to Holmes, with four catches, including the final touchdown.

But I should just cut down on the daily 4:20 periods.

[EzraTank]

Lol @ this thread.

Outside of the Patriots I bet there are 30 other set of fans that would love to have the Steelers "problems" that has lead us to 3 Superbowls and two wins.

Granted I'm frustrated on what could have been over the last 10 years but ask a Jets or Browns fan if they would trade places.

[Edman]

Lol @ this thread.

Outside of the Patriots I bet there are 30 other set of fans that would love to have the Steelers "problems" that has lead us to 3 Superbowls and two wins.

Granted I'm frustrated on what could have been over the last 10 years but ask a Jets or Browns fan if they would trade places.

I understand what you're saying. It's one thing to suck, its another to underachieve and have the tease of something great, but not live up to that potential. IF anything, people not expressing frustration are taking this team for granted, as if Ben will play forever, Brown will be here forever, and it's guaranteed the Steelers will be in the mix come the next decade. Dark Days may come (or not), and it will make all the missed opportunities of the 2010's all the more painful.

If the Steelers were a crappy team lacking talent, it would be hard to watch, but it would be understandable. But here we are seeing a immensely talented team with nothing to show for. BTW, The Steelers have won as many playoff games as the Jets and Browns over the past two seasons (0).

[StillCurtains]

My point proven exactly. Criticism of Ben is not a wish for the Malone/Bubby/O Donnell/Kordell/etc era and it really is sad that someone can't criticize a player without being told "you just want shitty QB play" or something along those lines


I totally agree with you here. We went 26 years without a Superbowl. Ben shows up and helps put us over the top with 2 Superbowls in 2005 & 2008. We appreciate his contribution, but that doesn’t mean he is without criticism. That doesn’t mean that we want to go back to the days of Brister, Kordell and etc.

Anytime he is criticized, comments come back to 3 Superbowl appearances and 2 Superbowl wins. Of course we appreciate that but it doesn’t make him untouchable. What does any of that have to do with the state of the franchise TODAY?

Ben is a big part of the Steelers winning 9 games this season. He is just as responsible as other players, coaches and factors on this team as to why they are not in the playoffs. It’s impossible to lead the league with 16 picks this season and it not cost the team.

The season opener vs Cleveland he threw 4 picks and 1 fumble. That is 5 turnovers he accounted for in a 21-21 tie. In just that game alone right there, if he doesn’t do that, they are 10-6 instead of 9-6-1 and in the playoffs.

You can’t take 16 picks and come up with an excuse for each one on how it wasn’t Ben’s fault. Maybe 5 of them, but not 16. The point is that people need to admit that Ben cost them as well this year and stop giving him a pass comparing his career achievements to the Steelers lean years without Championships.

[Butch]

Thank you for re-iterating what I've already said.



Ben threw seven passes on the final drive. Five of them went to Holmes, with four catches, including the final touchdown.

But I should just cut down on the daily 4:20 periods.
LOL Glad I made your day, even though you are mostly wrong on your assessment of Ben. Even a clock that doesn't work is right 2ce a day.

[vasteeler]

I'm pretty sure that Ben doesn't always get a pass around here, and deservedly so.

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Yeah that was one of the best passes in NFL history.

It was actually two of the best passes in NFL history. Mr MVP let the first one slip through his hands

[st33lersguy]

In 2005, the Steelers had the reputation of "Cowher Power" and smashmouth football. Teams geared up to stop the Bettis/Parker combo. It was because of this reputation and balanced offense that Ben was able to thrive. Ben caught teams by surprise that postseason by throwing the football. There was even a common stat trend during those days that Ben only threw the ball 15-20 times a game. This wasn't some kind of air circus the Steelers put on to get to the Super Bowl. Ben wasn't the engine that drove the team, but he was still a major part of it.



After the Defense pretty much held Baltimore and Dallas in check for 50 minutes. Super Bowl 43 was Santonio Holmes. All Ben had to do was find him. As unfair as it is to Ben, but it was Santonio's catch that people remember, not Ben's throw. And as I mentioned, Ben was mostly mediocre in XLIII outside of that one drive and was thoroughly outplayed by Warner.

05: You still need the QB to execute which Ben did on the road in 3 playoff games. Without Ben's heroics they don't make it to Super Bowl 40 (not to mention the tackle in Indy)

08: What the hell does that even mean? Yeah he "only had to find him", not deliver the ball to him accurately in a pressure situation, especially in a very tight window in the corner of the endzone on the TD throw. Also early in the drive he made a ridiculous play to avoid a sack from inside his own 5 to complete a pass. I can even go to the AFC Championship game against the Ratbirds, overall not a great day, but on the long TD to Holmes Ben makes a great play to avoid multiple Baltimore defenders and deliver the ball to Holmes while under heavy pressure.

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Seriously, we got two extremes here when it comes to Ben. A. You got people trying to minimize Ben's impact on the Super Bowl teams and B. People who apparently can't take any criticism related to Ben and any criticism (even if it is legit), apparently you want QB play on par with QB play between Bradshaw and Ben

[Edman]

Seriously, we got two extremes here when it comes to Ben. A. You got people trying to minimize Ben's impact on the Super Bowl teams and B. People who apparently can't take any criticism related to Ben and any criticism (even if it is legit), apparently you want QB play on par with QB play between Bradshaw and Ben.

Like it or not, Ben likely won't get the credit he deserves because of the top talent he was surrounded by his entire career. The recent underachievement this decade makes the issue far glaring and doesn't help matters at all. The best receiver in the game to throw to, a great RB, an elite offensive line that is the best in the league, and can only muster a 3-5 postseason record since 2011, and haven't won a playoff game in two years. Among them a horrendous loss to Blake Bortles at home a January ago.

The Steelers were always considered a solid team with a missing piece. Ben was that piece. 25 years between championships aside, the Steelers were always in the mix, and aside from one stretch in the 80's, were rarely hopelessly bad. Ben was a major part of the reason the 00's Steelers won, but unlike a Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady, quarterbacks who took previously mediocre franchises to outstanding heights, Ben is considered just a cog in the Steelers machine by the media.

The pathetic loss to Brady and the Patriots in the 2016 Championship game is a big scathing mark on Ben's career. Bell went down the first drive, and the offense faltered and never recovered. Ben was wholly unspectacular in the game where his talent was needed the most. Naturally, the Ben brigade came out and blamed the receivers for letting the team down, but at the end of the day, it was a big failure by the Steelers on the big stage. It was the stage where great leaders emerge, and nobody got it done that day.

I think Ben knows that he is considered just second-tier of the peers of his era, and it frustrates him to hell and back, so he feels great pressure to be "the guy". I don't blame him honestly.

[fansince'76]

The Steelers were always considered a solid team with a missing piece. Ben was that piece. 25 years between championships aside, the Steelers were always in the mix, and aside from one stretch in the 80's, were rarely hopelessly bad. Ben was a major part of the reason the 00's Steelers won, but unlike a Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady, quarterbacks who took previously mediocre franchises to outstanding heights, Ben is considered just a cog in the Steelers machine by the media.

Brady I'll give you, but Manning was perpetually "Mr. October" and Brees hasn't won anything in almost a decade now.

[teegre]

Brady I'll give you, but Manning was perpetually "Mr. October" and Brees hasn't won anything in almost a decade now.

Brady had cheating as an advantage. Then, he was assisted by the two worst “brain farts” in Super Bowl history.

Oh, and once “Pete Carroll’s players” retired...

[Hawkman]

Brady had cheating as an advantage. Then, he was assisted by the two worst “brain farts” in Super Bowl history.

Oh, and once “Pete Carroll’s players” retired...

.....one of the worst play calls in the Super Bowl era. I don’t even think Haley/Arians/Fichtner/Tomlin/Whiz.....would have called that play.......shuffle pass to Nix! :rockon::rockon::heh:

[EzraTank]

I'm with Fancise76 (literally that's when I started watching). Those that aren't old enough to remember the Bradshaw to Ben era (1982 to 2004) ...

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Yes, Ben isn't perfect and has lots of issues but there's no way in hell I'd trade him for anyone during that period except Brady. We are spoiled here and I dread finding his replacement once he does stop playing.

[Michael]

I'm with Fancise76 (literally that's when I started watching). Those that aren't old enough to remember the Bradshaw to Ben era (1982 to 2004) ...

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Yes, Ben isn't perfect and has lots of issues but there's no way in hell I'd trade him for anyone during that period except Brady. We are spoiled here and I dread finding his replacement once he does stop playing.

Don't worry Art Rooney has it all figured out, Keep Tomlin till his contract expires and let him work his magic. We will end up with the worst record the year Trevor Lawrance is draft eligible and we have our franchise QB and a new head coach. I can live with the pain and craziness for a few ears before we get at least 4 more super bowls within a 12 year period.

Keep the faith Art knows what he is doing.

[The Bark]

This wasn't some kind of air circus the Steelers put on to get to the Super Bowl. Ben wasn't the engine that drove the team, but he was still a major part of it.


In my opinion, Ben's rookie season forever changed the expectations of rookie QBs starting in the NFL. It just wasn't the norm. Maddox gets hurt, in comes Ben and before you know it, the Steelers are 15-1. Since then, there's been more and more rookies starting at QB - as if the expectation and bar had been raised. It's not that Ben had a great season, either; he was given the ball, threw a limited amount of passes, relied on a great running game and defense and essentially told "don't screw up."

[Edman]

Brady I'll give you, but Manning was perpetually "Mr. October" and Brees hasn't won anything in almost a decade now.


That is true, but Let’s look at the cases before Brees and Manning showed up in New Orleans and Indy respectively.

New Orleans was nothing short of a joke, and Indy was dealing with being a bastard franchise from Baltimore. Neither franchise had very little to show for. Brees and Manning put those franchises on the map. So their legacy/greatness is magnified tenfold. Manning has a statue built in front of Lucas Oil. They changed those franchises around.

When Ben arrived in Pittsburgh, he went to a stable and talented organization with a coach who had their share of success, had been to a Super Bowl previously but couldn’t get over the top. The Steelers were not a mediocre franchise. Ben won two Super Bowls and been to another, but because of the success and stability around him that was already in place, he gets downplayed because of it. The Steelers were successful before Ben, so his legacy is downplayed a bit in the media. Ben is loved and respected, but he’s not “the guy”. Like I said before, the immense underachieving this decade only aggravates the problem. The old guard from the Cowher years (Ward, Bettis, Farrior, Troy, etc...) are long gone, and the only remnant left is Ben. The fact that he has seen very little success since they left despite the elite talent around him is a tough thing to deal with. Hence, the “drama”. It bothers Ben a lot, and feels a lot of pressure to win and prove he can get it done.

[Fire Goodell]

team's mentality went in the gutter around the same time that young money crew bullshit started.

Wallace / Sanders / Brown - Bunch of preening divas

then evolved to Killer B's

Ben - AB - Bell - Yeah, much the same.

[Lady Steel]

team's mentality went in the gutter around the same time that young money crew bullshit started.

Wallace / Sanders / Brown - Bunch of preening divas

then evolved to Killer B's

Ben - AB - Bell - Yeah, much the same.


Yep, I totally agree. They got a bit too full of themselves.

[teegre]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coKT0FsriUg&app=desktop


When I read “DRAMA” I could only think of one thing... :toofunny:

btw: I chose this clip (of the many, many great Johnny Drama scenes), because it has Tom Brady (who has also been mentioned in this thread).