Joey Porter Fired !

[Dwinsgames]

via many on twitter ,,,,,,,,, it has started please let this be the beginning of change and not the only change

[Edman]

Bell is cut.
Ben retires.
AB is traded.
Butler is fired.
Smith is fired.
Fichtner is fired.
Tomlin is fired.

Two of those things will not happen this year, Still a ways to go to cleaning up the cancer.

[Mojouw]

It is real and it is beautiful -- https://steelersdepot.com/2019/01/steelers-fire-olbs-coach-joey-porter/

Only worry is why fire assistants first if you are firing the DC? Most DCs are given free reign to bring in their staff, aren't they?

Makes me worried that Butler is going to wiggle out of the noose.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I love how the haters like to throw around the word FIRED.

His contract was up and they weren't going to renew it because for some strange reason a guy that was a productive pass rusher, cannot teach a guy like Bud Dupree how to get an OT's hands off him to dip and rip around the edge, or to setup a counter move in the pass rush. There are obviously better OLB coaches out there and I am happy the Steelers are now going to look for one.

Look for Danny Smith to be the next coach the Steelers part ways with.

[AtlantaDan]

It is real and it is beautiful -- https://steelersdepot.com/2019/01/steelers-fire-olbs-coach-joey-porter/

Only worry is why fire assistants first if you are firing the DC? Most DCs are given free reign to bring in their staff, aren't they?

Makes me worried that Butler is going to wiggle out of the noose.

Tomlin might have thrown Porter to the wolves hoping that placates AJRII

But Tomlin's assurances to his coordinators have been overruled in the past. :coffee:

Arians was told last week by Tomlin that he would return in 2012, and Tomlin indicated that in a news conference one day after the Steelers' playoff loss in Denver.
Team president Art Rooney II indicated Tuesday, however, that some members of the coaching staff were considering retirement.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2012/01/19/Arians-might-not-come-back/stories/201201190269

[Fire Goodell]

another scapegoat move. smith and butler still have jobs. what next, if we miss the playoffs next year tomlin will fire the ball boy?

[tube517]

Leave Jerry Porter alone.

[86WARD]

Great butbhe wasnt reallybfired just not renewed. When’s the Butler and Smith firings gonna occur?? Butler still has a year on his deal so in all likelihood, Tomlin will puss out and not fire him until his deal is up...

[AtlantaDan]

Of the 2017 defensive assistants, three down & two left to go. I would have wagered Olsavsky was more likely not to be back than Porter.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnell_Lake)
Defensive Coordinator – Keith Butler
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Butler_(American_football))Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Line – John Mitchell
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mitchell_(American_football_coach))Inside Linebackers – Jerry Olsavsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Olsavsky)
Outside Linebackers – Joey Porter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Porter)
Defensive Backs – Carnell Lake

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnell_Lake)


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnell_Lake)

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Great butbhe wasnt reallybfired just not renewed. When’s the Butler and Smith firings gonna occur?? Butler still has a year on his deal so in all likelihood, Tomlin will puss out and not fire him until his deal is up...

Steelers had the 6th ranked defense in yards allowed, the 16th in points allowed, so it really wasn't a terrible performance and I think they are gonna give Butler another year.

I don't like the way that guys stand around near the end of a play and let the ballcarrier gain another 2 yards on 2nd and 3rd effort to break a tackle. Its a culture of opposing team offenses out hustling the Steelers defense. The process of getting out schemed where you end up with an ILB on a slot WR several games this season and the lack of a culture where there is no relentless pursuit to and thru the whistle are reasons that I would move on from Butler right now.

While the defensive numbers weren't that bad... Keeping Butler on is now the acceptance of mediocrity, rather than striving for greatness. IMO

[Born2Steel]

Does this bring up the Kevin Greene conversation again?

Jim Mora Jr didn’t have much success as a HC, but his defenses always had good LB play.

Anybody else you guys can think of that might make a good replacement as OLBs coach?

[AtlantaDan]

Steelers had the 6th ranked defense in yards allowed, the 16th in points allowed, so it really wasn't a terrible performance and I think they are gonna give Butler another year.

I don't like the way that guys stand around near the end of a play and let the ballcarrier gain another 2 yards on 2nd and 3rd effort to break a tackle. Its a culture of opposing team offenses out hustling the Steelers defense. The process of getting out schemed where you end up with an ILB on a slot WR several games this season and the lack of a culture where there is no relentless pursuit to and thru the whistle are reasons that I would move on from Butler right now.

While the defensive numbers weren't that bad... Keeping Butler on is now the acceptance of mediocrity, rather than striving for greatness. IMO

But 23rd in second half and 25th in 4th quarter points allowed.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-2nd-half-points-per-game

Cannot find a breakdown on yards allowed by quarter but based on the killing 4th quarter scoring drives since Thanksgiving I assume similar rankings would be calculated.

[The Bark]

Low-hanging fruit is easier to pick.

[tube517]

Does this bring up the Kevin Greene conversation again?

Jim Mora Jr didn’t have much success as a HC, but his defenses always had good LB play.

Anybody else you guys can think of that might make a good replacement as OLBs coach?

Greene is on the Jets staff (so far)

[Born2Steel]

Alex Grinch is taking the DC job at Oklahoma looks like. Was hoping to maybe get him on this defensive staff.

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Greene is on the Jets staff (so far)

Last season. With Bowles getting fired who knows. I bet he is open to talks.

[zulater]

I love how the haters like to throw around the word FIRED.

His contract was up and they weren't going to renew it because for some strange reason a guy that was a productive pass rusher, cannot teach a guy like Bud Dupree how to get an OT's hands off him to dip and rip around the edge, or to setup a counter move in the pass rush. There are obviously better OLB coaches out there and I am happy the Steelers are now going to look for one.

Look for Danny Smith to be the next coach the Steelers part ways with.

He was fired. Not as if the position has been eliminated.

My thinking is this was the first step in a new more disciplined direction. Porter may or may not have been a good coach? If you're going to blame him for Dupre do you not then credit him for Watt? But I don't think that's why he "wasn't renewed." I think his conduct through the years both on and off the field during both his playing days and as a coach have proven himself someone of questionable judgement. Something you don't need in a coach.

[st33lersguy]

One down more to go

[Shoes]

Wonder if the make Butler the LB coach again?

[Craic]

Steelers had the 6th ranked defense in yards allowed, the 16th in points allowed, so it really wasn't a terrible performance and I think they are gonna give Butler another year.

I don't like the way that guys stand around near the end of a play and let the ballcarrier gain another 2 yards on 2nd and 3rd effort to break a tackle. Its a culture of opposing team offenses out hustling the Steelers defense. The process of getting out schemed where you end up with an ILB on a slot WR several games this season and the lack of a culture where there is no relentless pursuit to and thru the whistle are reasons that I would move on from Butler right now.

While the defensive numbers weren't that bad... Keeping Butler on is now the acceptance of mediocrity, rather than striving for greatness. IMO
Except, there were several games where that didn't happen. I remember being surprised at how the Steelers were swarming to the ball. My guess is that it breaks down when we get injuries and players have to fill in or take on more responsibility than they are used to.

[Moose]

Definitely on the right side of the ball....DEFENSE.....now DON'T stop there......keep on going on and get 4-5 more !!!!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

But 23rd in second half and 25th in 4th quarter points allowed.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-2nd-half-points-per-game

Cannot find a breakdown on yards allowed by quarter but based on the killing 4th quarter scoring drives since Thanksgiving I assume similar rankings would be calculated.

Yeah, that isn't good. Like I say, the defensive culture of lack of effort and mediocrity is enough that I would move on and make a change, but terrible 4th quarter scoring indicates a few things to me:

1. The team doesn't have an offense that can close out football games and run a 4 minute drill.
2. The defense may not be physically conditioned enough to withstand all the 2nd half reps, or isn't deep enough to have quality players getting some snaps on the front 7.
3. The opposing offensive adjustments made at halftime are something the defense doesn't overcome.
4. The defense doesn't have the leadership or culture to play hard and have the mindset that the next play is the one they can make a big stop. Lacks perseverance.

[vader29]

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[fansince'76]

"Unemployed, but well." :lol:

[Mojouw]

Steelers had the 6th ranked defense in yards allowed, the 16th in points allowed, so it really wasn't a terrible performance and I think they are gonna give Butler another year.

I don't like the way that guys stand around near the end of a play and let the ballcarrier gain another 2 yards on 2nd and 3rd effort to break a tackle. Its a culture of opposing team offenses out hustling the Steelers defense. The process of getting out schemed where you end up with an ILB on a slot WR several games this season and the lack of a culture where there is no relentless pursuit to and thru the whistle are reasons that I would move on from Butler right now.

While the defensive numbers weren't that bad... Keeping Butler on is now the acceptance of mediocrity, rather than striving for greatness. IMO

The defense simply isn't good enough at key positions and lacks playmakers. They can stop a team for about 2/3 to 3/4 of a game but when the inferior talent is asked to meet the mark too many times, the percentages bite them in the ass.

Defense have to play for like 30-35 minutes in the NFL (based on TOP stats and plays run) the Steelers have a 20-25 minute defense. Almost assuredly because they are not up to the mark at key spots (Safety, ILB) and they have no viable rotational players at OLB to ensure a constant pass rush rate.

Can I be the DC now?

[hawaiiansteeler]

Can I be the DC now?

before I answer that question, how many yards will you be having your CBs play off the ball?

[Mojouw]

before I answer that question, how many yards will you be having your CBs play off the ball?

I figure at least 15. Gotta stop the big play.

[AtlantaDan]

Yeah, that isn't good. Like I say, the defensive culture of lack of effort and mediocrity is enough that I would move on and make a change, but terrible 4th quarter scoring indicates a few things to me:

1. The team doesn't have an offense that can close out football games and run a 4 minute drill.

The 4th quarter of the Saints game (fumble/failed fake punt/fumble on last 3 drives) being Exhibit A

23rd in points scored by offense in 4th quarter, 15th in time of possession by offense in 4th quarter

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/4th-quarter-time-of-possession-share-pct

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

The 4th quarter of the Saints game (fumble/failed fake punt/fumble on last 3 drives) being Exhibit A

23rd in points scored by offense in 4th quarter, 15th in time of possession by offense in 4th quarter

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/4th-quarter-time-of-possession-share-pct

Yeah, I wonder how the team ranked in 2017 in terms of those stats. Something tells me the offense ran the football better, possessed it more and closed out games.

[Mojouw]

Yeah, I wonder how the team ranked in 2017 in terms of those stats. Something tells me the offense ran the football better, possessed it more and closed out games.

It is right in the linked table. They were better in both stats in 2017.

TOP share by 5.5% and they scored 1.6 more points in the 4th quarter in 2017. That moved them well up the rankings in both metrics.

I think we kind of already knew that right? How many of those 13 wins last year were on late FGs? Add in the Raiders miss, the Saints fumble that would've been a made FG last year, and toss in a few others here or there and you basically have 2017 met or exceeded.

Browns missed FG
Raiders missed FG
Saints fumble and assumed made FG

That takes the team to what 12 wins? I'm not putting it all on the kicking game. Just highlighting that 3 kicks get made this year and 2018 is a repeat of 2017. A flawed Steelers team pulls out 3-4 hearstopping last minute wins to push into the playoffs.

It isn't a mystery.

[BlackAndGold]

Kevin Greene as the next OLB coach?

[AtlantaDan]

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WTF?

[86WARD]

Bud Dupree, Jarvis Jones, Anthony Chikillo...not exactly your easiest players to coach up...lol

[Dwinsgames]

for the record ... that is one of the places I got " Porter was fired"


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[Neversatisfied]

Secondary and ILB situation is a mess.... so let the OLB coach go, to be fair Porter is a bit of an ass.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Secondary and ILB situation is a mess.... so let the OLB coach go, to be fair Porter is a bit of an ass.

Is firing the ILB coach going to fix the situation? or do they need better talent at the ILB spot other than 6th round pick Vince Williams?

Porter had 2 different 1st round picks at OLB and hasn't developed Dupree at all.

[86WARD]

Is firing the ILB coach going to fix the situation? or do they need better talent at the ILB spot other than 6th round pick Vince Williams?

Porter had 2 different 1st round picks at OLB and hasn't developed Dupree at all.

Better talent and better coaching...now of which is here...

[tube517]

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WTF?

Porter divisive? No way. :sarcasm:

[AtlantaDan]

for the record ... that is one of the places I got " Porter was fired"


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With regard to the semantics on Porter was not fired his contract was not extended, if you want to remain in your job (I have not seen Porter being on anyone's short list as a DC for another team) and your employer says you are not going to continue in your job but your job position is not going to be eliminated, I regard that as being fired regardless of whether or not you have a contract that is expiring.

Porter was fired just like Arians was. Only question for me is whether AJRII ordered it again or Tomlin did it on his own this time.

[Blue Marvel]

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:lol:

[AtlantaDan]

Dupree denies Porter stirred up divisiveness in locker room but then says “we have to learn how to be be together”

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So the team was not together but that was not Porter’s fault :noidea:

[Shoes]

I think we are starting to see Steeler life without Dan Rooney

[NCSteeler]

Alex Grinch is taking the DC job at Oklahoma looks like. Was hoping to maybe get him on this defensive staff.

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Last season. With Bowles getting fired who knows. I bet he is open to talks.Why? Why? Are Steelers fans hung up on bringing back ex players to be coaches? Hasn't worked out great so far

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[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Porter was fired just like Arians was. Only question for me is whether AJRII ordered it again or Tomlin did it on his own this time.

So you want to know who ordered the code pink slip? Do you think you can handle the truth?

[AtlantaDan]

So you want to know who ordered the code pink slip? Do you think you can handle the truth?

If I can handle the ongoing cluster of Danny Smith’s special teams and how he still has a job I think I can handle who dumped Porter

FWIW I think it is noteworthy if the owner is dictating who comes back as an assistant coach below the coordinator level. Tomlin being forced to retain LeBeau as a condition of being hired and being forced to get rid of Arians to save the QB is different from axing a position coach

Of course maybe if AJRII ordered the code pink slip the execution was botched and when Tomlin was told “I want you get rid of 2 assistant coaches and we both know who they are” Tomlin did not know that meant Butler & Smith and instead fired Santiago aka Porter :chuckle:

[Craic]

I think we are starting to see Steeler life without Dan Rooney

I always remember HTG saying she was worried about life after DR because she had seen ARII at work in her time as a legal assistant or something like that.

[Shoes]

I always remember HTG saying she was worried about life after DR because she had seen ARII at work in her time as a legal assistant or something like that.


I remember that also.

[Born2Steel]

Why? Why? Are Steelers fans hung up on bringing back ex players to be coaches? Hasn't worked out great so far

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If your asking me the answer is...

True, Kevin Greene is an ex-Steeler. But he is also a member of an all decade team for playing the OLB position for the Rams, Steelers, and Panthers. He has a track record as an OLB position coach that you can use to directly grade his coaching ability. He was brought out of retirement to be an OLB coach for Bowles. Plus, he wants to come to Pittsburgh to coach the OLBs per his own comments. So for me, the Kevin Greene talk is about more than hiring just an ex-Steeler, but also hiring a proven position coach that WANTS to make the Steelers great again.

That is why he’s the first call on my list.

[86WARD]

If your asking me the answer is...

True, Kevin Greene is an ex-Steeler. But he is also a member of an all decade team for playing the OLB position for the Rams, Steelers, and Panthers. He has a track record as an OLB position coach that you can use to directly grade his coaching ability. He was brought out of retirement to be an OLB coach for Bowles. Plus, he wants to come to Pittsburgh to coach the OLBs per his own comments. So for me, the Kevin Greene talk is about more than hiring just an ex-Steeler, but also hiring a proven position coach that WANTS to make the Steelers great again.

That is why he’s the first call on my list.

Bet they don’t hire a replacement for Porter...

[Born2Steel]

Bet they don’t hire a replacement for Porter...

Why do you think that?

[86WARD]

Why do you think that?

Just a hunch. Just seems to be the way things are going. Why not let Olsavsky coach both? Just seems like a move Tomlin would make...

[Born2Steel]

Just a hunch. Just seems to be the way things are going. Why not let Olsavsky coach both? Just seems like a move Tomlin would make...

Ok. Staying with your line of thinking there for a moment. Since there is this push for a hybrid defense that employs bigger DBs playing at ILB positions, make them part of the secondary essentially. That would put Bradley coaching secondary and LBs. Olsavsky moves to Porter's role at OLB. OR since we are a 3-4 that typically uses a 5 man front the OLBs become a part of the DL room. ???Will see.

[86WARD]

Ok. Staying with your line of thinking there for a moment. Since there is this push for a hybrid defense that employs bigger DBs playing at ILB positions, make them part of the secondary essentially. That would put Bradley coaching secondary and LBs. Olsavsky moves to Porter's role at OLB. OR since we are a 3-4 that typically uses a 5 man front the OLBs become a part of the DL room. ???Will see.

Could be. I could be totally wrong though. I just have this feeling with this Tomlin that shit wont be “right”...

[Mojouw]

If your asking me the answer is...

True, Kevin Greene is an ex-Steeler. But he is also a member of an all decade team for playing the OLB position for the Rams, Steelers, and Panthers. He has a track record as an OLB position coach that you can use to directly grade his coaching ability. He was brought out of retirement to be an OLB coach for Bowles. Plus, he wants to come to Pittsburgh to coach the OLBs per his own comments. So for me, the Kevin Greene talk is about more than hiring just an ex-Steeler, but also hiring a proven position coach that WANTS to make the Steelers great again.

That is why he’s the first call on my list.


Bet they don’t hire a replacement for Porter...

I suspect they will fill the position. But I don’t think it will be Greene or any of the obvious choices. WHo they hire will be telling (because I guess we aren’t getting a new DC for some reason) in terms of the role they envision for their OLBs. If it is Greene or someone like him, then they are going to go old school pass rush with the position. If it is someone from outside the fire zone 3-4 world, they might be going more coverages with the position. Should be mildly interesting.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Of course maybe if AJRII ordered the code pink slip the execution was botched and when Tomlin was told “I want you get rid of 2 assistant coaches and we both know who they are” Tomlin did not know that meant Butler & Smith and instead fired Santiago aka Porter :chuckle:

I would love to see Art II go off in classic Nathan Jessup fashion...

Listen Omar Epps...we live in a world without FG's and Kick coverage, and I've seen it for myself. And my presence, although grotesque to you, is necessary for the safety and security of the SU Message Board. Who is gonna draw up coverages, fake punts and stop blocked kicks?!?!? You Cool Shades, you Danny Smith, you unknowns quality control lackey?!?! I didn't think so.

So despite what you and your friends say about blades of grass, unleashing hell and the standard being the standard, you don't have what it takes to make things better. You want me in that owners box....you need me in the owners box!! YEAH, I ORDERED THE CODE PINK SLIP!! Danny and Keith are out, so tell the other guys they still have a job!!