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Texasteel
09-24-2010, 03:51 PM
Just for the heck of it, lets start throwing together a few mocks

After two games.

Mike Pouncey OG Florida / I think he is the top OG in the draft and would make the line interior an incredably strong point in our offence. If he is as sharp as his brother, might start right off.

Christian Ballard DE Iowa / Has the size that we like at DE. A talant that is a little overshadowed be Clayborn.

James Carpenter OT Ala. / More known as a run blocker, but I can't see him as soft on the pass blocking either, and can get better.

Chykie Brown CB Texas / Very quick corner, with desent size. Might move up though.

Jeron Johnson SS Boise St. / Good size and 4.55 speed. Opinions very on this one.

Anthony Gray NT Southern Miss. / I think he could be a very solid NT for us. Might be a little underrated.

Taylor Potts QB Texas Tech. Threw for 3440 yards with 22 TDs and 13 Ints last year.

Yes it is early, but I think every one of these kids are worth looking at, and talking about. Draft season never ends.

LLT
09-25-2010, 11:29 AM
OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State, 6'5 305 lbs (Climbing the rankings quickly)

DE Christian Ballard, Iowa, 6'4 298 lbs (I think everyone loves this guy)

NT Kenrick Ellis, Hampton, 6'5 340 lbs (If his character has improved...he is a force.)

OT/OG James Brewer, Indiana, 6'6 334 lbs (Road grader that could play Guard or RT)

TE Lee Smith, Marshall, 6'6 265 lbs (would immediately be our 2nd best Blocking TE & Receiving TE)

CB Justin Rogers,Richmond, 5'10 182 lbs (had 7 interceptions two years ago...now nobody throws to his side of the field)

OT/OG Pat Illig, Wofford, 6'5 320 lbs (shhhhhhh....one of my super sleeper picks)

Texasteel
09-25-2010, 01:03 PM
OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State, 6'5 305 lbs (Climbing the rankings quickly)

DE Christian Ballard, Iowa, 6'4 298 lbs (I think everyone loves this guy)

NT Kenrick Ellis, Hampton, 6'5 340 lbs (If his character has improved...he is a force.)

OT/OG James Brewer, Indiana, 6'6 334 lbs (Road grader that could play Guard or RT)

TE Lee Smith, Marshall, 6'6 265 lbs (would immediately be our 2nd best Blocking TE & Receiving TE)

CB Justin Rogers,Richmond, 5'10 182 lbs (had 7 interceptions two years ago...now nobody throws to his side of the field)

OT/OG Pat Illig, Wofford, 6'5 320 lbs (shhhhhhh....one of my super sleeper picks)

Love this draft bud, although I don't know Illig at all.

I agree Sherrod should end up about where we pick in the 1st, and could be the OT I've been wanting.

I love the Smith pick, infact I originally had him in my mock as the 6th round pick. I thought his trouble in Tenn. might hurt him.

Not sure about Ellis being there for us in the 3rd, but it would be nice.

LLT
09-25-2010, 02:24 PM
Love this draft bud, although I don't know Illig at all.



(Shhhhhhh...dont say his name out loud)

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20100922/ARTICLES/9231033/1088

CB Justin Rogers is your kind of player also.

Texasteel
09-25-2010, 08:30 PM
(Shhhhhhh...dont say his name out loud)


CB Justin Rogers is your kind of player also.

Sound like it's to late bud. The word seems to be out on this kid. I don't know when the last time was that I've seen all the teams scouting a school this small. Great Job!!!!

LLT
09-25-2010, 08:59 PM
Sound like it's to late bud. The word seems to be out on this kid. I don't know when the last time was that I've seen all the teams scouting a school this small. Great Job!!!!

Did you check out Rogers? Three time All American... had three games with at least 200 yards in kickoff returns last year... had 7 interceptions as a sophomore and even though no one wanted to throw to him last year, he still had 3 picks and 8 passes broken up...

he is ranked as the #25 CB in the nation (which is nuts)...and a possible 7th rounder.

http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=81221&draftyear=2011&genpos=CB

Texasteel
09-26-2010, 08:55 PM
Did you check out Rogers? Three time All American... had three games with at least 200 yards in kickoff returns last year... had 7 interceptions as a sophomore and even though no one wanted to throw to him last year, he still had 3 picks and 8 passes broken up...

he is ranked as the #25 CB in the nation (which is nuts)...and a possible 7th rounder.

http://nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=81221&draftyear=2011&genpos=CB


I read this and a couple of other articals on Rogers, and I agree. A CB that runs a mid 4.4, can break to the ball, and can tackle, being a 7th round pick does not make a lot of sence. I would expect to see him climb a little after the season is over and we get into the combines. But if not, I think he would make a hell of a 7th rounder.

LLT
10-05-2010, 10:15 AM
I read this and a couple of other articals on Rogers, and I agree. A CB that runs a mid 4.4, can break to the ball, and can tackle, being a 7th round pick does not make a lot of sence. I would expect to see him climb a little after the season is over and we get into the combines. But if not, I think he would make a hell of a 7th rounder.

I think we are onto a true sleeper.....In his last game Rogers had a pass breakup... forced a fumble... made five tackles... and recorded two interceptions. He returned the 2nd pick for a 34 yard TD.

Texasteel
10-05-2010, 01:14 PM
I think we are onto a true sleeper.....In his last game Rogers had a pass breakup... forced a fumble... made five tackles... and recorded two interceptions. He returned the 2nd pick for a 34 yard TD.

I read that and a couple of other things. I am working on a new mock and I can promise you he will be on this one, but I also have 2 CBs on that mock.

LLT
10-05-2010, 02:06 PM
I read that and a couple of other things. I am working on a new mock and I can promise you he will be on this one, but I also have 2 CBs on that mock.

Hmmmm...Rashad Carmichael of Virginia Tech or Curtis Brown of Texas?

Texasteel
10-05-2010, 02:13 PM
Someone been sending you my notes.:tongue1: I'll post it tomorrow.

LLT
10-05-2010, 02:41 PM
Someone been sending you my notes.:tongue1: I'll post it tomorrow.

LOL!!! No, we just always seem to like the same prospects.

Texasteel
10-06-2010, 07:25 AM
Have not seen all these kids play. Some is from what I have read about these player.


1. Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh. 6'4", 310lb, 5.12. ( Watched him play several time )
After the Miami game Wannstedt decided to change up his O-line. One change he didn't made was Pinkston at LT. I have watched Jason last year and this and think that he has the quickness and footwork to become a good LT. Till then he could step in at RT if we loss Colon, and Scott doesn't progress as we hope. I would be happy with anyone of 6 OTs, but I think Pinkston will be the one available to us.

2. Rishard Carmichael CB Virginia Tech. 5'10, 185 lb. 4.38. ( Watched him play twice this year )
Could be the fastest CB in the draft, just a head of Curtis Brown. In the win over East Carolina he had two ints. returning one 68 yards for a TD. In 2009 he lead the team with 6 ints., and was 5th in TT with 55, 4 TFL. He also had 6 pass breakups, and 6 QB hurries. Your right LLT, I did have my eye on Brown of Texas, but Carmichael, IMO, is a little bit more of at ball hawk, and will put himself into position to at least break up a pass better. I also think even with the slow start, Brown may cost us out 1st round pick.

3. Kinrick Ellis NT Hampton. 6'5", 340 lb, 5,07. ( Watched him in part of one game this year )
Ellis is dominate in his league. The last game he had 8 TT, 2 TFL, 1 FF. The game before that he had 16 TT, 3TFL, 2 sacks, 1 Fumble Recovery. I am a little tore on this guy, not because of his talent, but his technique. He tends to play a little high letting smaller, weaker plays get under him and direct him one way or the other. Hopefully this can be coached out of him.

4. Jaiquawn Jarrett FS Temple. 6'0", 200 lb, 4.57. ( Watched him most of one game this year )
Jarrett has be describe as a heat seeking missile. Does that sound like someone we have at FS already. A punishing tackler who gets to the RB quickly. In a 22-13 loss to Penn. St. he lead the defense with 11 TT.

5. Justin Rogers CB Richmond. 6'2", 200 lb, 4.48. ( Have never seen him play )
See him listed as a 7th round pick, but look at his size and speed, and read a little about him and I can't see it. I the last game against Coatstal Carolina he had a pass breakup, 2 ints, a FF, and 5 TTs. Yes a small school player, but one to keep and eye on, one that may be coached into a very good player. I just hope he doesn't get invited to the combine.

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall. 6'6", 265 lb, 4.79. ( Watched him again just last night for the 3rd time )
I think this kid is underrated, and hope he stays that way. Soft hand + hard hitting block = what may be a very good pro. Saw him make a couple of catches that made him look more like a WR. Probably will not make many yards after the catch, but will not drop many. Another red zone weapon?

7. Pat Illig OG Wofford. 6'5", 320lb. ( Never seen him play, likely never will )
Never even heard of this kid till LLT brought him up, but since then I have read some about him. If what they write is true he is a player that can play either OG, or RT. Large, strong earth mover that loves to knock defensive players to the ground, and its hard to make a tackle from there. Wouldn't be the 1st time a kid has slipped in from a small school and made a big splash.

LLT
10-06-2010, 09:53 AM
Have not seen all these kids play. Some is from what I have read about these player.


1. Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh. 6'4", 310lb, 5.12. ( Watched him play several time )
After the Miami game Wannstedt decided to change up his O-line. One change he didn't made was Pinkston at LT. I have watched Jason last year and this and think that he has the quickness and footwork to become a good LT. Till then he could step in at RT if we loss Colon, and Scott doesn't progress as we hope. I would be happy with anyone of 6 OTs, but I think Pinkston will be the one available to us.



Very strong pick. I had Sherrod here but as I feared, he has gone from the #5 ranked OT to #1 on a lot of boards since the season started. I would keep an eye on OT Nate Potter also. He is missing from most mocks and draft prospect listings because the coach keeps saying that he is going to be playing guard but he ends up playing LT. Noone knows where to rank him...but when they get it figured out he will be a 1st or 2nd round prospect.


2. Rishard Carmichael CB Virginia Tech. 5'10, 185 lb. 4.38. ( Watched him play twice this year )
Could be the fastest CB in the draft, just a head of Curtis Brown. In the win over East Carolina he had two ints. returning one 68 yards for a TD. In 2009 he lead the team with 6 ints., and was 5th in TT with 55, 4 TFL. He also had 6 pass breakups, and 6 QB hurries. Your right LLT, I did have my eye on Brown of Texas, but Carmichael, IMO, is a little bit more of at ball hawk, and will put himself into position to at least break up a pass better. I also think even with the slow start, Brown may cost us out 1st round pick.

Absolutely LOVE this pick...and totally agree with you that Brown will probably go in the first. Rashard Carmichael might end up playing himself out of our reach also...but as of right now you have him right where he belongs.



3. Kinrick Ellis NT Hampton. 6'5", 340 lb, 5,07. ( Watched him in part of one game this year )
Ellis is dominate in his league. The last game he had 8 TT, 2 TFL, 1 FF. The game before that he had 16 TT, 3TFL, 2 sacks, 1 Fumble Recovery. I am a little tore on this guy, not because of his talent, but his technique. He tends to play a little high letting smaller, weaker plays get under him and direct him one way or the other. Hopefully this can be coached out of him.

A couple of things are going to have to happen for us to draft Ellis. 1) Another 3-4 defensive team doesnt snatch him earlier. 2) Tomlin is going to have to be convinced that Ellis's past character issued are behind him. Now keep in mind that I have Ellis on my draft board alos...but I think that eveything has to fall in place. A couple of other possibilities might be NT Phil Taylor of Baylor who is a huge 6'4 340...or possibly DE Cedric Thornton of Southern Arkansas who is playing DT right now but at 6'4 295 is a protypical 3-4 DE.


4. Jaiquawn Jarrett FS Temple. 6'0", 200 lb, 4.57. ( Watched him most of one game this year )
Jarrett has be describe as a heat seeking missile. Does that sound like someone we have at FS already. A punishing tackler who gets to the RB quickly. In a 22-13 loss to Penn. St. he lead the defense with 11 TT.

If we go with a DE in the third...we could look at NT Anthony Gray from Southern Miss or NT Lawton Scott of Ole Miss. I personally like Scott a little better at 6'2 322 lbs.


5. Justin Rogers CB Richmond. 6'2", 200 lb, 4.48. ( Have never seen him play )
See him listed as a 7th round pick, but look at his size and speed, and read a little about him and I can't see it. I the last game against Coatstal Carolina he had a pass breakup, 2 ints, a FF, and 5 TTs. Yes a small school player, but one to keep and eye on, one that may be coached into a very good player. I just hope he doesn't get invited to the combine.

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall. 6'6", 265 lb, 4.79. ( Watched him again just last night for the 3rd time )
I think this kid is underrated, and hope he stays that way. Soft hand + hard hitting block = what may be a very good pro. Saw him make a couple of catches that made him look more like a WR. Probably will not make many yards after the catch, but will not drop many. Another red zone weapon?

7. Pat Illig OG Wofford. 6'5", 320lb. ( Never seen him play, likely never will )
Never even heard of this kid till LLT brought him up, but since then I have read some about him. If what they write is true he is a player that can play either OG, or RT. Large, strong earth mover that loves to knock defensive players to the ground, and its hard to make a tackle from there. Wouldn't be the 1st time a kid has slipped in from a small school and made a big splash

Love the last three picks!!!!

SteelerSal
10-06-2010, 10:10 AM
Just to let you both know, I've been reading your posts and am enjoying every bit of it...even though we are still early in the regular season. Keep it coming!

LLT
10-06-2010, 10:27 AM
Just to let you both know, I've been reading your posts and am enjoying every bit of it...even though we are still early in the regular season. Keep it coming!

Thanks Sal...but its NEVER to early for draft talk!!!!:whoo:

Texasteel
10-06-2010, 11:13 AM
Thank LLT. At this point It is still a work in progress. Ellis is still a bit of an enigma to me. He just hasn't seemed to learn how to use
his talent yet and is getting by on his size. By the end of the year he will probably be a 2nd rounder, with a NT that size who knows where he will land. If that happens we will have to look else where. I've mentioned Gray before and Scott just might be a better option.

Not quite ready to give up Jarrett yet, but when push comes to shove a sacrifice may have to be made and he just might be it.

I would be tickled with my last 3 picks, but have a feeling that both Rogers, and Smith are not finished moving up. Who the heck knows what will happen with Illig.

Football season last about 7 months. Steeler drafting last 12.

LLT
10-06-2010, 11:21 AM
Thank LLT. At this point It is still a work in progress. Ellis is still a bit of an enigma to me. He just hasn't seemed to learn how to use
his talent yet and is getting by on his size. By the end of the year he will probably be a 2nd rounder, with a NT that size who knows where he will land. If that happens we will have to look else where. I've mentioned Gray before and Scott just might be a better option.

Not quite ready to give up Jarrett yet, but when push comes to shove a sacrifice may have to be made and he just might be it.

I would be tickled with my last 3 picks, but have a feeling that both Rogers, and Smith are not finished moving up. Who the heck knows what will happen with Illig.

Football season last about 7 months. Steeler drafting last 12.

Ellis has a that whole cloud of "drug use" over his head. I had him in my mock draft also...but will be keeping an eye on what he has to say about his past and if it appears that he has matured.

A usual you are right on the money in regards to Rogers...Smith...and even Illig. We can be REAL excited that there is that type of talent in the later rounds...but we are both aware that they will probably rise up the boards by draft time.

Texasteel
10-06-2010, 11:54 AM
Ellis has a that whole cloud of "drug use" over his head. I had him in my mock draft also...but will be keeping an eye on what he has to say about his past and if it appears that he has matured.

A usual you are right on the money in regards to Rogers...Smith...and even Illig. We can be REAL excited that there is that type of talent in the later rounds...but we are both aware that they will probably rise up the boards by draft time.

To be honest bud, right now I'm not even thinking about the drug thing. How ever if I'm still interested in another month and a half I will be paying a lot of attention to it.

The Duke
10-06-2010, 12:04 PM
Just to let you both know, I've been reading your posts and am enjoying every bit of it...even though we are still early in the regular season. Keep it coming!

Same here.thanks for the work guys

personally I'm high (lol) on Ellis and I love your views on him. Haven't been able to watch him this year, but last season he was an absolute beast. But yeah, with his past issues I wouldn't take him before the 3rd

as for oline my two main guys right now are JAmes Carpenter from Bama and mammoth orlando franklin from miami. What do you think of them?

LLT
10-06-2010, 01:00 PM
Same here.thanks for the work guys

personally I'm high (lol) on Ellis and I love your views on him. Haven't been able to watch him this year, but last season he was an absolute beast. But yeah, with his past issues I wouldn't take him before the 3rd

as for oline my two main guys right now are JAmes Carpenter from Bama and mammoth orlando franklin from miami. What do you think of them?


James Carpenter of Alabama is 6'5 304 ....its "expected" that he will try and bulk up before the draft and play OG in the pros. Extremely hard worker...lunch pail type of player who makes up for lack of athleticism with a solid work ethic. Great draft pick in the later rounds that will pay off for a patient team who is willing to give him a year in a NFL weightroom.

Orlando Franklin of Miami is 6'7 320....will have to play inside in the pros though he has played LT in college. Heavy footed "plodder" with good strength. Not agile enough to play LT at a higher level. Waist bender, but that seems to be the case with most really tall linemen.

If you like Franklin...take a look at James Brewer from Indiana... 6'6 335....Can play OG/OT but probably a RT in the pros. He might slide under the radar a bit because he has battled injuries over the last two years...but he is a FORCE. True definition of a roadgrader.

Texasteel
10-06-2010, 01:36 PM
Great break down of the two.

I like Carpenter, but thought of him as a RT for us, he is known more for his ability to run block. It doesn't surprise me that he will be trying to win a pro job as an OG.

Another one you might look at would be Marcus Cannon of TCU, but I think he will cost more than he would be worth to us. I'm sure he will end up inside.

LLT
10-06-2010, 01:40 PM
Great break down of the two.

I like Carpenter, but thought of him as a RT for us, he is known more for his ability to run block. It doesn't surprise me that he will be trying to win a pro job as an OG.

Another one you might look at would be Marcus Cannon of TCU, but I think he will cost more than he would be worth to us. I'm sure he will end up inside.


I think your right...Carpenter could end up being a RT for someone.

Texasteel
10-07-2010, 10:48 AM
Same here.thanks for the work guys

personally I'm high (lol) on Ellis and I love your views on him. Haven't been able to watch him this year, but last season he was an absolute beast. But yeah, with his past issues I wouldn't take him before the 3rd

as for oline my two main guys right now are JAmes Carpenter from Bama and mammoth orlando franklin from miami. What do you think of them?


Even though I have Ellis in my mock I really don't think the odds are good that we get him. Even if he is there when we want to go after a NT, would the Steelers take him? I don't know.

A player that you might take a look at to replace him could be Phill Taylor of Baylor. He is the same size as Ellis but not quite as quick. He is extreamly strong squating 665, benching 455, and he has powercleaned 400. He was rated by Phill Steele as one of the top 10 DTs in the nation. I haven't seen Phill yet this year, I haven't even read much about him this year, but he was on my list as possible NTs.

Aussie_steeler
10-07-2010, 10:22 PM
Have not seen all these kids play. Some is from what I have read about these player.


1. Jason Pinkston OT Pittsburgh. 6'4", 310lb, 5.12. ( Watched him play several time )
After the Miami game Wannstedt decided to change up his O-line. One change he didn't made was Pinkston at LT. I have watched Jason last year and this and think that he has the quickness and footwork to become a good LT. Till then he could step in at RT if we loss Colon, and Scott doesn't progress as we hope. I would be happy with anyone of 6 OTs, but I think Pinkston will be the one available to us.

2. Rishard Carmichael CB Virginia Tech. 5'10, 185 lb. 4.38. ( Watched him play twice this year )
Could be the fastest CB in the draft, just a head of Curtis Brown. In the win over East Carolina he had two ints. returning one 68 yards for a TD. In 2009 he lead the team with 6 ints., and was 5th in TT with 55, 4 TFL. He also had 6 pass breakups, and 6 QB hurries. Your right LLT, I did have my eye on Brown of Texas, but Carmichael, IMO, is a little bit more of at ball hawk, and will put himself into position to at least break up a pass better. I also think even with the slow start, Brown may cost us out 1st round pick.

3. Kinrick Ellis NT Hampton. 6'5", 340 lb, 5,07. ( Watched him in part of one game this year )
Ellis is dominate in his league. The last game he had 8 TT, 2 TFL, 1 FF. The game before that he had 16 TT, 3TFL, 2 sacks, 1 Fumble Recovery. I am a little tore on this guy, not because of his talent, but his technique. He tends to play a little high letting smaller, weaker plays get under him and direct him one way or the other. Hopefully this can be coached out of him.

4. Jaiquawn Jarrett FS Temple. 6'0", 200 lb, 4.57. ( Watched him most of one game this year )
Jarrett has be describe as a heat seeking missile. Does that sound like someone we have at FS already. A punishing tackler who gets to the RB quickly. In a 22-13 loss to Penn. St. he lead the defense with 11 TT.

5. Justin Rogers CB Richmond. 6'2", 200 lb, 4.48. ( Have never seen him play )
See him listed as a 7th round pick, but look at his size and speed, and read a little about him and I can't see it. I the last game against Coatstal Carolina he had a pass breakup, 2 ints, a FF, and 5 TTs. Yes a small school player, but one to keep and eye on, one that may be coached into a very good player. I just hope he doesn't get invited to the combine.

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall. 6'6", 265 lb, 4.79. ( Watched him again just last night for the 3rd time )
I think this kid is underrated, and hope he stays that way. Soft hand + hard hitting block = what may be a very good pro. Saw him make a couple of catches that made him look more like a WR. Probably will not make many yards after the catch, but will not drop many. Another red zone weapon?

7. Pat Illig OG Wofford. 6'5", 320lb. ( Never seen him play, likely never will )
Never even heard of this kid till LLT brought him up, but since then I have read some about him. If what they write is true he is a player that can play either OG, or RT. Large, strong earth mover that loves to knock defensive players to the ground, and its hard to make a tackle from there. Wouldn't be the 1st time a kid has slipped in from a small school and made a big splash.

Hey Tex - great to see you in full on mock mode already. ( i am off to a much slower start this year)

I am interested to see your thoughts on including 2 CB's in your draft. Over the past two drafts the steelers have taken 3 CB's in Lewis, Burnett and Butler. 4 if you count the trade to get McFadden back. I was thinking that O & D lines might have been the main focus this time around.

Rogers at the back end of the draft with his measureables I can understand, but picking a 5'10 CB in the 2nd round is the one that intrigues me with your thinking. I am guessing he is a bit slight to fit the mould of a steeler CB. I havent seen any footage so I am wondering does he fit the style where he will be asked to play off a bit and cover whilst also being able to put his hand up for run support.

And what is going on with no HAWKEYE'S???? There are some great steeler candidates this year, particularly at DE. I would have loved to see Ballard as your 2nd round pick.

Texasteel
10-08-2010, 08:09 AM
Could just be an over reaction to the last game Aussie, but I really am not happy with the CB situation in Pittsburgh. I am truly hoping the 3 young kids prove me wrong this year. I think we need a CB that can cover a receiver consistently for more that the count of 2. Seems like a team with a very good QB finds a way to chop our secondary up if the gets more that 2 second to throw the ball. Last year we said it was because Troy was gone, well Troy was playing on Sunday and it happened again. Carmichael is a kid that although is not as large as some can tackle, and may be the best cover guy in the draft.

Remember it's still early, and I can still and probably will chance my thinking several times.

One reason I am starting to back off Ballard, just a little, is that I think he is moving into the late 1st, early 2nd round area. I had such hopes that I would finally get a Hawk on this team. Ballard would be a perfect pick for the Steelers and is a Steeler type DE. I just don't think they will go DE in the 1st this year. If they do I would complain.

By the way I do have a few Iowa players rated in another thread, and I think there are a few players there that would be nice fits here.

Aussie_steeler
10-08-2010, 03:28 PM
Thanks Tex.

I can see reasoning now. THe only way we get a shutdown CB is to have a piss poor season and finish with a top 15 pick and land one of the top 2 CB's. I am starting to believe a bit that Le Beau's scheme has a soft spot for a quality TE to always exploit and the WRs are always going to make the odd big reception. I am a bit worried about the D line and its ability to consume blocks to free up our pass rush.

If the season pans out as we all expect then we draft in the back end of the draft again. I could really see the first four rounds producing players covering three positions, DE, OG and OT. I am holding off including NT for another year ( I am going to give McClendon a chance at this point)

As hard as I try I am struggling to piece together any kind of mock that I am happy with

LLT
10-13-2010, 10:31 PM
Okay....here is a draft based on the current rankings of nfldraftscout.com....and also loosely based on us picking at the end of each round.

1) DE Christian Ballard DE Iowa 6'4 298...How happy would you be to see a future of Hood and Ballard?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/24703/claybornmaine.jpg



2) OT/OG Benjamin Ijalana Villanova 6'4 320 - Can play four position on the front.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZEX7oRr7a1c/SwC1iLalkJI/AAAAAAAALy8/ljHhrUjS4W0/s576/Cbarner033.jpg



3) CB Rashad Carmichael Virginia Tech 5'10 182 ...CRAZY fast and good hands (no more 10 yard cushions)

http://tommeltonscouting.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/rashad-carmichael.jpg



4) Kicker Kai Forbath UCLA 5-11 192....I know...I know...a kicker in the 4th round? But ...he is very good.


http://www.foxsportswest.com/common/medialib/272/77770.jpg


5) TE Lee Smith Marshall 6'6 265......good blocking TE with soft hands.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/archive/x1536732126/g276258000000000000f3dbf16a6aedde06c2f961a7aab7072 fcf437783.jpg



6) NT Anthony Gray Southern Mississippi 6'0 315.....NT prospect who would get a couple of years to back up Big Snack

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/94977739.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5B97664BA904256FE 2D53911994E7271897E7B0B77A157E68E30A760B0D811297



7) OT/OG Pat Illig Wofford 6'4 310 ....small school player that is getting some looks...over half the teams in the NFL have taken a look at him.

http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=SJ&Date=20100922&Category=ARTICLES&ArtNo=9231033&Ref=AR&Profile=1027&MaxW=600&border=0

Texasteel
10-14-2010, 07:25 AM
I would be very happy with this draft LLT

Ballard IMO in a mirror image of Hood, even in his path to the draft. Those two could anchor a tremendous 3-4 line for years

Ijalana is a kid that could be being over looked by many fan. He could solve a possible problem at RT.

Carmichael You know how I feel about this kid.

Forbath We don't really know what is going to happen with Reed. What if he doesn't back off his salary demands.

Smith This is a kid I would have to list on my most wanted list. Hope we can get him in the 5th

Gray You know I like this kid. A project with a lot of up side IMO

Illig He is intriguing, isn't he.

LLT
10-17-2010, 09:17 AM
I would be very happy with this draft LLT

Ballard IMO in a mirror image of Hood, even in his path to the draft. Those two could anchor a tremendous 3-4 line for years

Ijalana is a kid that could be being over looked by many fan. He could solve a possible problem at RT.

Carmichael You know how I feel about this kid.

Forbath We don't really know what is going to happen with Reed. What if he doesn't back off his salary demands.

Smith This is a kid I would have to list on my most wanted list. Hope we can get him in the 5th

Gray You know I like this kid. A project with a lot of up side IMO

Illig He is intriguing, isn't he.

Thanks Tex....

I need to look into what trades were made to see if we have any extra...or are missing any... picks. I havnt had a chance to look into it yet.

Texasteel
01-08-2011, 03:32 PM
Now that a few underclassmen have declared we can start to get serious. Here is a start.

1 - DE / JJ. Watts or Cameron Heyward---- I think that one of these two will now be there when we pick.

2 - OT / Danny Watkins or Jason Pinkston---- I've been pushing Pinkston all year but a Watkins is growing on me.

3 - CB / Rashard Carmichael or Curtis Brown---- Yep, I still like Carmichael but am wondering how far down the underclassmen will push Brown.

4 - OG / John Rackley or John Moffitt---- Rackley may end up a better guard but Moffitt will likely be ready to play quicker.

These are the four positions I think we most need to address.

LLT
01-09-2011, 08:01 AM
Very nice as usual Tex.

I would still hold up hope that a very good OT falls to us in the first. Every draft that I do has either Gabe Carimi or Demarcus Love available at the end of the first round.

Texasteel
01-09-2011, 09:19 AM
Very nice as usual Tex.

I would still hold up hope that a very good OT falls to us in the first. Every draft that I do has either Gabe Carimi or Demarcus Love available at the end of the first round.

If that does happen you know you won't hear me bitchin. I went through several mock drafts yesterday and about half of them have us getting Carimi. I just don't get it, I must have that kid way over rated.

LLT
01-09-2011, 09:22 AM
If that does happen you know you won't hear me bitchin. I went through several mock drafts yesterday and about have of them have us getting Carimi. I just don't get it, I must have that kid way over rated.

I have worked out my own draft several times....and what i see happening is that the strong DE class this year is pushing the rest of the positions down the board....I see A LOT of DE's coming off the board in the 1st round.

Texasteel
01-09-2011, 09:28 AM
I have worked out my own draft several times....and what i see happening is that the strong DE class this year is pushing the rest of the positions down the board....I see A LOT of DE's coming off the board in the 1st round.

I have to admit, the two top DEs and two top CB coming out is bound to help us, I guess I'm just use to watching any OT that has a chance of playing on the left side flying off the board. Still a long way to go, and lot of reading to do, and a lot of kids to watch.

LLT
01-09-2011, 10:15 AM
I have to admit, the two top DEs and two top CB coming out is bound to help us, I guess I'm just use to watching any OT that has a chance of playing on the left side flying off the board. Still a long way to go, and lot of reading to do, and a lot of kids to watch.

I get in that same mindset. I keep trying to talk myself into giving a team, like the Bills, an OT..even though there is no chance that they will pass on a Da'Quan Bowers or a Nick Fairley if they are there at #3. (some people have the Bills taking a QB...but I think Fitzgerald threw for 23 TD's and over 3,000 yards after getting the starting nod in week 4).

LLT
01-09-2011, 10:23 AM
Here are the DE's I see as potential 1st round picks in this draft....

Da'Quan Bowers, DE
Nick Fairley, DT/DE
Marcell Dareus, DT/DE
Robert Quinn, DE
J.J. Watt, DE
Adrian Clayborn, DE
Cameron Jordan, DE
Cameron Heyward, DE
Ryan Kerrigan, DE

THAT is one strong class!!!

Texasteel
01-09-2011, 11:27 AM
Here are the DE's I see as potential 1st round picks in this draft....

Da'Quan Bowers, DE
Nick Fairley, DT/DE
Marcell Dareus, DT/DE
Robert Quinn, DE
J.J. Watt, DE
Adrian Clayborn, DE
Cameron Jordan, DE
Cameron Heyward, DE
Ryan Kerrigan, DE

THAT is one strong class!!!

Man Perry, I hadn't check the list since mid morning yesterday. I didn't know that Fairley, and Quinn had declared. Things seem to be falling in place for us.

Now I not only like our chances for an OT, but actually having a choice of a couple of DEs. Not to mention that another of our needs, CB is getting help from the 2012 class. I have to wonder if this may even push a couple of very good FSs deeper into the draft. I'm starting to get a little stoked already. We have work to do buddy.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-09-2011, 11:31 AM
If that does happen you know you won't hear me bitchin. I went through several mock drafts yesterday and about half of them have us getting Carimi. I just don't get it, I must have that kid way over rated.

I'm gonna enjoy Senior Bowl week as ususal. I hope Carimi attends so we can see him isolated a bit. I really think he is just a RT, so kind of a Gosder Cherilus or Phil Loadholt talent. I hope we dont take a guy like that as I think Colon, Chris Scott or Jon Scott can all be the same guy.

There is gonna be a decent Lt prospect there, or else we can go DE and then maybe look to move up in the 2nd and get that OT prospect in the 2nd round.

LLT
01-09-2011, 11:44 AM
Man Perry, I hadn't check the list since mid morning yesterday. I didn't know that Fairley, and Quinn had declared. Things seem to be falling in place for us.

Now I not only like our chances for an OT, but actually having a choice of a couple of DEs. Not to mention that another of our needs, CB is getting help from the 2012 class. I have to wonder if this may even push a couple of very good FSs deeper into the draft. I'm starting to get a little stoked already. We have work to do buddy.

Robert Quinn was ruled permantly inelgible so he was a gimme...Fairley is "reported" to be headed to the draft by sources close to him.

Devilsdancefloor
01-09-2011, 12:26 PM
i like Ryan Kerrigan i watch him every week! he has been a beast for the boilers!!! He would make a excellent OLB for some team

LLT
01-09-2011, 12:54 PM
i like Ryan Kerrigan i watch him every week! he has been a beast for the boilers!!! He would make a excellent OLB for some team

Thats how I see him being drafted. Either as a DE in a 4-3 system like the Colts...or an outside linbacker for a 3-4 team like the Jets.

Texasteel
01-11-2011, 01:54 PM
By the way LLT. Did you notice that Justin Rogers has move into the 4th-5th round area. I'm watching this kid.

LLT
01-11-2011, 02:25 PM
If he has a solid pro day...he could go as early as the early 4th.

Texasteel
01-11-2011, 02:31 PM
i like Ryan Kerrigan i watch him every week! he has been a beast for the boilers!!! He would make a excellent OLB for some team

You got an eye for talent buddy. I've like Ryan all year, but have a feeling he won't get past KC.

LLT
01-11-2011, 03:26 PM
You got an eye for talent buddy. I've like Ryan all year, but have a feeling he won't get past KC.

Dont forget about New England...they need an OLB and have the #17 pick this year.

Texasteel
01-11-2011, 03:29 PM
Dont forget about New England...they need an OLB and have the #17 pick this year.

Damn, your right. I hate to think of the Pantywaists getting thier hands on him.

KeiselPower99
01-11-2011, 05:44 PM
OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State, 6'5 305 lbs (Climbing the rankings quickly)

DE Christian Ballard, Iowa, 6'4 298 lbs (I think everyone loves this guy)

NT Kenrick Ellis, Hampton, 6'5 340 lbs (If his character has improved...he is a force.)

OT/OG James Brewer, Indiana, 6'6 334 lbs (Road grader that could play Guard or RT)

TE Lee Smith, Marshall, 6'6 265 lbs (would immediately be our 2nd best Blocking TE & Receiving TE)

CB Justin Rogers,Richmond, 5'10 182 lbs (had 7 interceptions two years ago...now nobody throws to his side of the field)

OT/OG Pat Illig, Wofford, 6'5 320 lbs (shhhhhhh....one of my super sleeper picks)

Love that pick. Smith was under used at Marshall this past year and had they thrown to him more they mightve won 2 more games. He is a tremendous blocker and a great reciever.

LLT
01-11-2011, 06:21 PM
Love that pick. Smith was under used at Marshall this past year and had they thrown to him more they mightve won 2 more games. He is a tremendous blocker and a great reciever.

If we can get an OT in the 1st round...a OG in the 3rd or 4th round...and a blocking TE like Smith in the 5th...I will be VERY happy.

Texasteel
01-16-2011, 09:37 AM
Things are way to quiet in here, so I thought I would throw a rock at the hornets nest.
I use Draft Scouts listing as to what players would be available to us when we pick.

1- Mike Pouncey OG Florida --- One of our starting guards is not very good, the other is stupid. That is two red flags to me and this could be our biggest need. Mike played out of position IMO this year and didn't get to show just how good he is. Last years we got the best center in the draft, this year we get the best OG. Besides, there is just something about line twin brothers up side by side. We might even get another kiss.

2- Danny Watkins OT Baylor---- It is no secret that I have been screaming for a LT for a year or two. Don't care for Starks, and the rest belongs on the practice squad. I still think I would rather have Pinkston but think he may be gone. I watched Danny once and like what I saw, and there are 2 or 3 others here that seem to like him as well. He needs work, but I think can be coached.

3- Kenrick Ellis DT Hampton----- A lot of this pick will hinge on his interview. Will he continue with his off the field problems, or is this all behind him. On the field he is a huge man that will give the OLs he faces several problems. Giving Casey a few more plays off, can only help him. He is getting a little old you know.

4- Keven Sheppard ILB LSU---- LBers are the strength of our defense, by design. We have one of the best that is getting a little bit old, and will not be easy to replace. We either sign one or we draft one. Sheppard is a good player on a good defense.

5- Lee Smith TE Marshall------ I think I have already said everything I need to about Smith. This is the one player I will hang onto till we get him, or don't get him on draft day. As far as line play is concerned, might be our best TE when he comes to camp.

6- Justin Rodgers CB Richmond-- Small school kid that could pay off big. Not a large CB, but does have some speed with a definite nose for the ball.

7- Kai Forbath K UCLA-------- I know we all are fairly happy with the one we just signed, but I am still a little uneasy about the position and want a little competition.

I know there are some here a few of you don't like. let me hear it. Don't let the fact that I am old with a bad heart and extremal sensitive hold you back.

Chidi29
01-16-2011, 10:05 AM
Nice job Texas. Thanks for making some noise on the forum. Things will pick up heavily after the season, which hopefully won't be until after Feburary.

Mock is pretty good. I don't know if I'd want to take a LT though. Starks still has two years left on his deal and really isn't a bad LT. Not a great one but he's servicable. Watkins is an older guy and in two years he'll be what, 28?

Love the Ellis pick. He's severely flying under the radar right now.

I'm fine if you want to bring in a kicker for competition, but I'll pick one up as a UDFA rather than spend a pick on it.

Chidi29
01-16-2011, 03:56 PM
I watched Rogers this morning after my comments in the only Richmond game I can find. I'm sure he's a ballhawk based off of INT numbers, but I don't think he offers enough against the run to be a viable fit for us. You have to be physical, willing to play the run, and a sound tackler to play CB for us. Here's my notes on him against Virginia in the first game of the year.

- Doesn't play the run well, struggling to get off of WRs blocks. Isn't always willing to stick his neck into the pile.
- Not a solid tackler, had a couple misses and has a tendency to go high.
- Looks to have fluid hips, can turn and run without a hitch.
- Good job of locating passes though couldn't always make a play on them. WR won a jump ball.
- Played in a variety of different assignments - man coverage, zone, passive, press coverage. More quick twitch than elite straight line speed.
- Good acceleration and change of direction ability.
- Mental blunder, attempted to run with a punt after calling a fair catch.
- Multi-dimensional athlete. Took the team's first offensive snap at WR. Got behind the coverage once on a deep ball but the pass was slightly overthrown. 38 yard punt return. Had an eight yard rush. Three receptions, five rushes, two passes on the season. Kickoff return man for four years, picked up punt return duties this season with 15.

Texasteel
01-16-2011, 04:35 PM
Thanks Chidi, to be honest, I have not seen see him play, got everything off the internet.

Two CBs did I start the year interested in was Curtis Brown and Rashad Carmichael. Both were better know for pass coverage but could support the run. Neither of them had the year I expected, Carmichael was dinged a lot this year, and both have dropped in the draft, so far. I've read that Curtis could go in the 3rd and Rashad in the 4th. Of course that can all change by draft day.

Chidi29
01-16-2011, 05:43 PM
Not sure if you're able to get espn3 or not, but here's the link to the game if you do and want to check him out. Rogers is #5.

http://espn.go.com/espn3/player?id=35669&league=NCAAF&size=condensed

Texasteel
01-16-2011, 05:50 PM
No I don't get ESPN 3, wish I did. Thanks to the info bud.

Chidi29
01-16-2011, 11:32 PM
I shouldn't do this but why not. I got a fever, and the only prescription is a quick mock.

1. Ben Ijalana/OG Villanova. There will be an adjustment period going from LT to RG which I'm not particularly happy about because I'd like an immediate upgrade at the position next year. But he's a mauling run blocker with good awareness whose only issue is a poor kickslide. That won't be a factor at guard.

2. Kenrick Ellis/NT Hampton. Wasn't really sure where to go with this one. Nothing really jumped out at me. But I've really liked Ellis. A very strong player with a motor that doesn't quit, rare for a guy of his size.

3. Johnny Patrick/CB Louisville. We'll see what happens to Ike Taylor. If he leaves, which I hope and don't think he will, a corner could get taken in round 2. There may be some who think Patrick is early but he's flying under the radar in a deep class. Patrick has good coverage skills, fluid hips who can turn and run. But more importantly, he's a pretty solid tackler who is willing to play the run with a knack for making big plays (see his bowl game performance).

4. Nate Irving/ILB NC State. Farrior is playing as well as ever, but he is 35. Sylvester has shown flashes but he still plays a bit too reckless for my liking. Maybe that is because he's young, but our other rookies aren't playing like them. Irving is a great story, recovering him a severe car crash two years ago. I've only watched him sparingly, but he's a good tackler who can play the run.

5. Anthony Gray/DE Southern Mississpi. NT in college, he'll kick over to end. He just has to constantly be able to get off the ball. He can be a little slow in reacting which leads him to getting blown out. Other than that, he's solid against the run. A guy with good awareness and has even dropped into coverage once or twice in the times I've watched him. Familar with zone concepts.

6. Julius Thomas/TE Portland St. A name I came across the other day. A basketball player in college before his senior season as guys like Antonio Gates and Jimmy Graham were. He's probably raw, but I hate having the Kevin Brock/Dez Sherrod/Eugene Bright throw aways on the team.

7. Travis Ford-Bey/OLB West Chester. My super sleeper pick. He's got a really good first step whose numbers who tore it up two years ago. Numbers were down this year but he played LE in the team's 3-4 defense. He'll move to OLB.

Aussie_steeler
01-18-2011, 06:17 AM
I like it Chidi. I like Ijalana and his value will soar come post season workouts.He is the next Brandon Albert / Mike Iupati - sleeper pick in January, board climber in April. Even though it is short an OT I think it hits a lot of areas where the players are a real chance of competing for roster spots and sticking. Good mock.


I will throw at you guys a mock much like the 2008 draft where we were all thrown by the picks. Here is my BPA mock. It will never happen - but how much debate would a draft like this create.


1. Kyle Rudolph TE 6'6 265 Notre Dame - Sticking with the draft philosophy of junior, best player at position and area of miminal draft priority by most fans. Arians will be jumping for joy with the thought of a two headed TE monster for Ben. Miller, Rudolph, Wallace, Sanders, Brown and Mendy in the backfield - Try cover that

2. Jeremy Beal OLB 6'3 265 Oklahoma - In all the fighting for 3-4 DE's one of the premium OLB's in the draft falls to the end of the second round. Dick Le Beau likes to collect LB's and he cannot resist another one.

3. Marcus Cannon - OG / OT 6'5 350 TCU The big guy suffers a bit of the Herman Johnson syndrome. A guy that big cannot be agile enough to play OT in the NFL. Some scouts say that he will.

4. Lee Ziemba OT / OG 6'6 320 Auburn- Time to bring in another O lineman that can swing between tackle and guard.

5. Cedric Thornton DE 6'4 295 Sth Arkansas - Big unit from small school. Hey, we are in the 5th and realistically he is fighting for a practice squad spot ( only WR's and LB's make it from here)

6. Jalil Brown CB 6'0 205 Colorado - Whilst scouting Jimmy Smith they noticed that this guy held up pretty well considering every team tried to pick on him to avoid smith.

7. Chris Neild DT 6'2 302 WVU - No reason to stop adding big bodies to this draft class. We have debated this guy here. I am a fan and he fights for a spot on the practice squad as NT. McClendon will work his way into the 53 for next season so a NT is needed.

I resisted the temptation of drafting a soccer player. They can be found as UDFA's


PSSSSS - dont forget that the east west shrine practices have started. Its starting to warm up.

Chidi29
01-18-2011, 07:27 AM
Believe me, I haven't forgotten. Just wish I could watch the game. It'll only be on the NFL Network and I don't get it. I'm excited about the heights and weights. The obsession is only going to get worse. :chuckle:

Also read about the Eastham All star game on the 23rd. Not sure if it'll be on TV or not, but it's going to have a lot of small school/later round players.

Texasteel
01-18-2011, 07:39 AM
If I can make a fool out of myself, so can you two.

Nice job guys

Chidi

You know I love Ijalana, and don't think he will be there when we pick in the second either. I think he might adjust quicker than you think and could be ready to like up beside Pouncey early in the year. Man would that look good. Hell the guy we have there looks like he is still adjusting anyway.

Patrick is a kid I have been kicking around in my head for over a month now, just couldn't decide where he might land in the draft. He looks to be the draft climber this year. Might come in as our best cover CB, besides Ike. The underclassmen that came in should help us with this one.

Ellis will make any DL better, particularly one that is getting older. I haven't hear of any more off the field problem, and that is a good sign. The only problem is that NTs seem to move up the draft on draft day, but I had him as a 3rd round pick, so your way ahead of me.


Aussie

Good draft IMO, all thought some will give you grief over the TE pick

I do not mind the back to back picks of Cannon and Ziemba at all. I think that they both could end up at guard, but Ziemba could land at RT. How the kids on the practice squad do could dictate want happens there. You know me as well and anyone here, You know I love the big uglies.

Brown look to be falling a little and we could end up with a kid that started in the 4th round, in the 6th round, good eye bud.

I do like the mocks guys. Aussie find me a DE in the first and I might like it better.:wink02:

Aussie_steeler
01-18-2011, 06:01 PM
If I can make a fool out of myself, so can you two.

Nice job guys

Chidi

You know I love Ijalana, and don't think he will be there when we pick in the second either. I think he might adjust quicker than you think and could be ready to like up beside Pouncey early in the year. Man would that look good. Hell the guy we have there looks like he is still adjusting anyway.

Patrick is a kid I have been kicking around in my head for over a month now, just couldn't decide where he might land in the draft. He looks to be the draft climber this year. Might come in as our best cover CB, besides Ike. The underclassmen that came in should help us with this one.

Ellis will make any DL better, particularly one that is getting older. I haven't hear of any more off the field problem, and that is a good sign. The only problem is that NTs seem to move up the draft on draft day, but I had him as a 3rd round pick, so your way ahead of me.


Aussie

Good draft IMO, all thought some will give you grief over the TE pick

I do not mind the back to back picks of Cannon and Ziemba at all. I think that they both could end up at guard, but Ziemba could land at RT. How the kids on the practice squad do could dictate want happens there. You know me as well and anyone here, You know I love the big uglies.

Brown look to be falling a little and we could end up with a kid that started in the 4th round, in the 6th round, good eye bud.

I do like the mocks guys. Aussie find me a DE in the first and I might like it better.:wink02:


Colbert and Tomlin like their first rounders young (weird obsession in another profession...)

so I think that points to JJ Watt or possibly Muhammad Wilkerson (who might climb some boards come April) for you TEX

1. JJ Watt DE
2. Jeremy Beal OLB
3. Marcus Cannon - OG / OT
4. Lee Ziemba OT / OG
5. Jalil Brown CB
6. Cameron Graham TE Louisville
7. Chris Neild DT

Do you like that one a bit better???

Texasteel
01-18-2011, 06:17 PM
Colbert and Tomlin like their first rounders young (weird obsession in another profession...)

so I think that points to JJ Watt or possibly Muhammad Wilkerson (who might climb some boards come April) for you TEX

1. JJ Watt DE
2. Jeremy Beal OLB
3. Marcus Cannon - OG / OT
4. Lee Ziemba OT / OG
5. Jalil Brown CB
6. Cameron Graham TE Louisville
7. Chris Neild DT

Do you like that one a bit better???

Actually, I think I do bud.

Chidi29
01-18-2011, 07:57 PM
I like it Chidi. I like Ijalana and his value will soar come post season workouts.He is the next Brandon Albert / Mike Iupati - sleeper pick in January, board climber in April. Even though it is short an OT I think it hits a lot of areas where the players are a real chance of competing for roster spots and sticking. Good mock.


I will throw at you guys a mock much like the 2008 draft where we were all thrown by the picks. Here is my BPA mock. It will never happen - but how much debate would a draft like this create.


1. Kyle Rudolph TE 6'6 265 Notre Dame - Sticking with the draft philosophy of junior, best player at position and area of miminal draft priority by most fans. Arians will be jumping for joy with the thought of a two headed TE monster for Ben. Miller, Rudolph, Wallace, Sanders, Brown and Mendy in the backfield - Try cover that

2. Jeremy Beal OLB 6'3 265 Oklahoma - In all the fighting for 3-4 DE's one of the premium OLB's in the draft falls to the end of the second round. Dick Le Beau likes to collect LB's and he cannot resist another one.

3. Marcus Cannon - OG / OT 6'5 350 TCU The big guy suffers a bit of the Herman Johnson syndrome. A guy that big cannot be agile enough to play OT in the NFL. Some scouts say that he will.

4. Lee Ziemba OT / OG 6'6 320 Auburn- Time to bring in another O lineman that can swing between tackle and guard.

5. Cedric Thornton DE 6'4 295 Sth Arkansas - Big unit from small school. Hey, we are in the 5th and realistically he is fighting for a practice squad spot ( only WR's and LB's make it from here)

6. Jalil Brown CB 6'0 205 Colorado - Whilst scouting Jimmy Smith they noticed that this guy held up pretty well considering every team tried to pick on him to avoid smith.

7. Chris Neild DT 6'2 302 WVU - No reason to stop adding big bodies to this draft class. We have debated this guy here. I am a fan and he fights for a spot on the practice squad as NT. McClendon will work his way into the 53 for next season so a NT is needed.

I resisted the temptation of drafting a soccer player. They can be found as UDFA's


PSSSSS - dont forget that the east west shrine practices have started. Its starting to warm up.

I guess it's tough to evaluate since you said it was BPA, but it would make for some interesting discussion.

Rudolph does seem like a heck of an athlete, but I kinda like having a blocker as my #2 TE since we mostly use that for power sets. I love Heath, but there are times where I wish we had one guy strictly as a recevier and one striclty as a blocking specialist. Like what the Colts have with Clark or Tamme and Eldridge or the Chargers with Gates and Wilson/Brandon M (before he went to the Bears).

If we re-sign Woodley, I can't see us taking Beal even if he is the top player on our board. If Woodley is let go, it's a completely different story.

I actually think Cannon moves pretty well for a guy of his size. Herman was a house. That's his actual nickname. Cannon is more like a Double Wide mobile home. Big but he can move. Carries his weight really well. Hope we could snag him in the 3rd. Would be a great pickup.

Never watched him myself but I've heard good things about Ziemba.

I know Thornton has been pimped pretty big on here. Again though, if Woodley stays and we've already drafted an OLB...I don't want practice squad guys in the 5th round. I want him to have a legit shot to make the team.

I'm glad you brought up Brown. One of my favorite draft guys, Scott Wright, is big on the guy. You know he's had a lot of experience since teams don't throw to Smith, like you said.

I'm pretty meh on Neild but I can live with it.

Good stuff Aussie.

Late EDIT: I meant to say Scott Wright of draftcountdown.com. Not Scott Brown.

Chidi29
01-18-2011, 08:10 PM
One thing I thought about when looking at some of the mocks was the team and small school prospects. I don't think we draft too many of them.

The only ones I can think of that are even on the 53 are Redman, Colon, and David Johnson, and maybe Ike Taylor (Is UL-Lafayette below D1?) And only the latter two were drafted. Only Colon was taken before the 7th.

How many have we drafted in the past five years? Can't be many. That'd take away a good chunk of my mock.

Texasteel
01-18-2011, 08:29 PM
That's the great thing about early mocks. We're just kicking around names. Some will survive the conversation, some will not. We don't have to get serious for another couple of months. Some people think early mocks are a waste of time, I don't. I often see names that I haven't even thought of before. By the way, I did like yours very much, even if we don't agree on an OT.

Chidi29
01-18-2011, 08:52 PM
That's the great thing about early mocks. We're just kicking around names. Some will survive the conversation, some will not. We don't have to get serious for another couple of months. Some people think early mocks are a waste of time, I don't. I often see names that I haven't even thought of before. By the way, I did like yours very much, even if we don't agree on an OT.

I forgot to respond to that. I expect Colon to be back. We can probably get him on the cheap after him missing a year. And while Starks is only average, he's improved at LT the past two years and he's still the starter. If I'm drafting a OT highly, they should start/have a good chance to start right away.

Aussie_steeler
01-19-2011, 04:27 AM
One thing I thought about when looking at some of the mocks was the team and small school prospects. I don't think we draft too many of them.

The only ones I can think of that are even on the 53 are Redman, Colon, and David Johnson, and maybe Ike Taylor (Is UL-Lafayette below D1?) And only the latter two were drafted. Only Colon was taken before the 7th.

How many have we drafted in the past five years? Can't be many. That'd take away a good chunk of my mock.

I think the Ricardo Colclough debacle put an end to the small school experiment by the steeler war room. Now I think you watch them fall and eventually grab them as a UDFA.

LLT
01-19-2011, 10:39 AM
One thing I thought about when looking at some of the mocks was the team and small school prospects. I don't think we draft too many of them.

The only ones I can think of that are even on the 53 are Redman, Colon, and David Johnson, and maybe Ike Taylor (Is UL-Lafayette below D1?) And only the latter two were drafted. Only Colon was taken before the 7th.

How many have we drafted in the past five years? Can't be many. That'd take away a good chunk of my mock.


Chidi..my brother...i cant believe you forgot about Aaron Smith from Northern Colorado!!!

LLT
01-19-2011, 10:48 AM
I think the Ricardo Colclough debacle put an end to the small school experiment by the steeler war room. Now I think you watch them fall and eventually grab them as a UDFA.

I dont know....logic says that we could have passed on Worilds last year and picked up Division II All-American LT Jared Veldheer in the second round...then we could have retained Thadeus Gibson at OLB.

I think that Worilds is a pretty good prospect...but I saw little that would make me believe that he was significantly better than Gibson.

LLT
01-19-2011, 02:46 PM
1) DeMarcus Love OT, Arkansas
6'5 315 lb LT with 36 starts under his belt. Has played Tackle and guard for the Razorbacks. Would provide solid depth at LT and RT for a year or two before becoming a starter. His skill set reminds me a lot of Marvel Smith.

2) Muhammad Wilkerson DE, Temple
Played DT at Temple where he was relentless...over the past two years he racked up 131 tackles...23.5 TFL...and 16.5 sacks. If Smith retires he will be a vcaluable backup, if not, look for him to take the place of an aging Eason.

3) Chimdi Chekwa, CB, Ohio St
Might have been a first round pick except for injuring his right wrist at the end of the season. Good size at 5'11 190 and runs in the 4.4 range. had 145 career tackles 1 forced fumble 6 interceptions and 25 pass breakups.

4) John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin
6'4 323 lb All-American guard who has played all three interior positions. Might be better suited for the right side but played LG for the Badgers last year.

5) Chris Conte , FS, California
6'3 212 lb safety who played CB for three years. Good hands and good hustle..plays until the whistle blows. Very good on ST's.

5) Lee Smith TE, Marshall
Well rounded TE who is an above average blocker and reciever. Not used a lot in Marshalls sytem until the loss of TE Cody Slate. Underrated prospect that would fit the Steelers system very well.

6) Anthony Gray, NT
6'0 317 lb NT prospect. Has 76 career tackles 17.5 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and one pass broken up.

7) Rob McGill, OT, Louisiana Tech
6'6 308 lb Tackle would be a project for us…spending some time on the PS to sharpen his skills

Texasteel
01-19-2011, 03:03 PM
Good job buddy. Every player is right were they should be taken, and make sence for us. This would fill a few holes, but more importantly with very good players.

1,2,3,and 4 are very good picks, IMO. You've got Smith, which is a must, and may have found a very good FS.

Do we have 2 5th round picks?

All the mocks so far have been pretty good. We're rolling now.

Chidi29
01-19-2011, 03:56 PM
Chidi..my brother...i cant believe you forgot about Aaron Smith from Northern Colorado!!!

Ahh!

He needs to come back right now.

Texasteel
01-19-2011, 05:50 PM
I watched Rogers this morning after my comments in the only Richmond game I can find. I'm sure he's a ballhawk based off of INT numbers, but I don't think he offers enough against the run to be a viable fit for us. You have to be physical, willing to play the run, and a sound tackler to play CB for us. Here's my notes on him against Virginia in the first game of the year.

- Doesn't play the run well, struggling to get off of WRs blocks. Isn't always willing to stick his neck into the pile.
- Not a solid tackler, had a couple misses and has a tendency to go high.
- Looks to have fluid hips, can turn and run without a hitch.
- Good job of locating passes though couldn't always make a play on them. WR won a jump ball.
- Played in a variety of different assignments - man coverage, zone, passive, press coverage. More quick twitch than elite straight line speed.
- Good acceleration and change of direction ability.
- Mental blunder, attempted to run with a punt after calling a fair catch.
- Multi-dimensional athlete. Took the team's first offensive snap at WR. Got behind the coverage once on a deep ball but the pass was slightly overthrown. 38 yard punt return. Had an eight yard rush. Three receptions, five rushes, two passes on the season. Kickoff return man for four years, picked up punt return duties this season with 15.

Finally got to watch the link you left me, and I see what you are saying. Does look much more like cover guy, and had poor tackling technique . I am wondering if he was having a poor game. I think that he did have 48 tackles this year, and two forced fumbles. If there is a real problem, I'm sure the teams will find it before draft day. We will get a chance to see him again, I just found out that he is playing in the East West Shrine game, and has been invited to the combines. To tell you the truth I still like Carmichael better. They are about the same size, but Carmichael seems to play bigger, if that makes sense to you. Thanks again Chidi.

Chidi29
01-19-2011, 05:53 PM
You're right Tex that it's tough to read too much into one game. Unfortunately, it was the only Richmond game I could find. He could have success as a ballhawk in a zone scheme where corners are asked to be aggressive, but I don't think he's a good fit for us.

Wes Bunting of NFP has been singing his praises for his practices during Shrine Week.

Texasteel
01-19-2011, 06:03 PM
Could be right bud. Our CBs and Safeties have to be able to blitz, and support the run, and if you can bring down a QB that is bigger than you. You going to have problems.

LLT
01-22-2011, 10:11 AM
Good job buddy. Every player is right were they should be taken, and make sence for us. This would fill a few holes, but more importantly with very good players.

1,2,3,and 4 are very good picks, IMO. You've got Smith, which is a must, and may have found a very good FS.

Do we have 2 5th round picks?




I hate to verbalize this....but I think there is a possiblity that we could lose a Vet... or two....or three.

IF we win it all this year...I think there is a chance that we lose Ward...Smith...and maybe Farrior. Soooo I think we might be looking at several compendatory picks.

I am just being conservative with us gettting at least the one 5th rounder until the fluidity of the draft becomes more focused