Steelers and WR Antonio Brown At Odds

[86WARD]

Steelers receiver Antonio Brown did not play in the season-ending game against the Cincinnati Bengals because he elected to sit out practice last week after an unspecified heated dispute with a teammate, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has learned.

Several sources said the Steelers’ decision to not play Brown against the Bengals had nothing to do with any type of knee injury.

He did not attend Saturday’s walk-through practice and skipped the Saturday night meeting at the team hotel — the latest in missed meetings by the All-Pro receiver. Brown was never on the field for the start of the game against the Bengals and left Heinz Field at halftime, according to multiple sources.

Brown did not practice all week and was listed as questionable on the injury report before the game. When he did not practice on Wednesday, the reason listed on the official report was “coaches decision.” On Thursday, the reason was listed as “coaches decision/knee.”

Source: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/12/31/antonio-brown-dispute-steelers-news-nfl/stories/201812310108

[86WARD]

Well this is off-season going to get interesting...

[st33lersguy]

Another reason to fire Tomlin and hire a coach that can reign in players.

[Fire Goodell]

smdh

[86WARD]

If the story is true, something needs to be done with the culture of the team...

[Hawkman]

Let’s move the team but sue to keep the name........The will shut everyone up.

[Shoes]

Unbelievable shit show.

[86WARD]

On second thought if Brown threw a ball at Artie Burns, was he wrong or was everyone that didn’t throw a ball at Burns wrong??

[Hawkman]

This thread is laughable

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Season is over nothing to talk about make some up. Until I hear it straight from the receiver’s mouth, I don’t believe anything.

[Neversatisfied]

Brown also left at Halftime and did not return. This is the level of accountability that will continue and cost this team until Tomlin is replaced

[fansince'76]

This thread is laughable

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Season is over nothing to talk about make some up. Until I hear it straight from the receiver’s mouth, I don’t believe anything.

Was gonna say it sounds like the usual soap opera BS that Ed Bullchitte comes up with.

[Neversatisfied]

Was gonna say it sounds like the usual soap opera BS that Ed Bullchitte comes up with.

The Pittsburgh Steelers themselves are a soap opera, they have created this mess so now they can attempt to clean it up

[teegre]

On second thought if Brown threw a ball at Artie Burns, was he wrong or was everyone that didn’t throw a ball at Burns wrong??

Where did it say that he threw a ball? Really. I missed that part.

IDEA: Trade AB to the Jaguars straight up for Jalen Ramsey. :deadhorse:

[Shoes]

Where did it say that he threw a ball? Really. I missed that part.

IDEA: Trade AB to the Jaguars straight up for Jalen Ramsey. :deadhorse:


:lol:

[Shoes]

Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) players were surprised Antonio Brown (http://www.nfl.com/player/antoniobrown/2508061/profile) didn't play in Sunday's season finale, and Brown's absence was not addressed by head coach Mike Tomlin during his meeting with the team Monday, multiple sources told NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabwala.
Brown was not present at the team meeting, sources told Kinkhabwala, and there was frustration in the locker room after the tumultuous week was not addressed at all by the head coach. Brown was absent from the team's walkthrough Saturday, and a member of the organization told Kinkhabwala that Brown left Heinz Field Sunday at halftime.
The Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) listed Brown with a knee injury on Thursday's injury report after initially labeling him with a not-injury-related designation on Wednesday. He didn't practice all week and, on Friday, Tomlin told reporters he was undergoing tests on his knee.
However, multiple sources told Kinkhabwala that quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/profile) and Brown had "a little bit of a disagreement" during last Wednesday's walkthrough. The drama intensified amid Brown being designated as questionable on Friday's injury report. On Sunday, he was ruled out against the Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.nfl.com/teams/cincinnatibengals/profile?team=CIN).
More here:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001006628/article/antonio-brown-skipped-walkthrough-left-game-early (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001006628/article/antonio-brown-skipped-walkthrough-left-game-early)

[AtlantaDan]

On second thought if Brown threw a ball at Artie Burns, was he wrong or was everyone that didn’t throw a ball at Burns wrong??

It was someone higher in the Steelers hierarchy than Burns

1079855754553843714

The Bouchette story and the NFL.com story to which Shoes linked above, if true, indicates this crap has been going on in some form throughout the season - would not be surprising since AB's yardage stats took a hit this season and Ben felt it necessary to discuss his route running after the Denver game.

Would like to know who the Bouchette source was with the quote about how Tomlin handled this affected his desire to play- my guess is Foster (who knows he is gone and can burn bridges) or DeCastro (although I think DeCastro is fed up to the point he would go on the record)

Good to know a distracting story line is developing for the offseason - what a shitshow

(https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Article/Will-Pittsburgh-Steelers-fans-get-the-big-changes-they-desire-127080478/)

[zulater]

Think this goes a long way in explaining how flat the offense was yesterday.

Not sure how this plays out going forward? But the possibility of AB getting traded has to be considered.

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Another reason to fire Tomlin and hire a coach that can reign in players.


Brown has become a diva a-hole on and off the field. Not Tomlin's fault.

[Shoes]

Think this goes a long way in explaining how flat the offense was yesterday.

Not sure how this plays out going forward? But the possibility of AB getting traded has to be considered.


Jalen Ramsey. Do I get an amen teegre? :chuckle:

[Hawkman]

I want a REAL SOURCE

[teegre]

[/B]

Jalen Ramsey. Do I get an amen teegre? :chuckle:

Hallelujah!!!

[Shoes]

I want a REAL SOURCE

I guess you'll just have to wait to hear from Tomlin on Wednesday. I'm sure they will have to do damage control if it's so.

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Hallelujah!!!


:lol:

[steelreserve]

Great, soon we'll be down to the Killer B.

[zulater]

I want a REAL SOURCE

Gerry Dulac is a very reliable writer. He would not put this out there without it being true.

[teegre]

Gerry Dulac is a very reliable writer. He would not put this out there without it being true.

Aditi, too.

[Hawkman]

Gerry Dulac is a very reliable writer. He would not put this out there without it being true.

Fine, Still want a source.

[AtlantaDan]

Fine, Still want a source.

Only player who gets in front of Tomlin on this sort of stuff makes his radio appearances on Tuesday morning - doubtful even he will go near this story but Tomlin is going to have to address it so hang in there until Wednesday

[Steelerchad]

AB seemed a bit lazy on some plays this year. Effort at the top of routes or going for a ball that wasn't perfectly thrown seemed to be an issue.
He's going to be 31 prior to next season. Is he still worth $17M/yr. Based on yesterday's offensive performance against a bad D, I might say yes.
But JuJu looks like he could be a ligit #1, and I thought Washington improved a lot down the stretch after his mid season benching.

[zulater]

Fine, Still want a source.

I'll make a guess it was Ben.

[vader29]

https://i.ibb.co/qBcxTZC/tif.jpg

[AtlantaDan]

I'll make a guess it was Ben.

Based on this line in Bouchette's story? :chuckle:

At least one teammate phoned Brown in the days leading up to the game, but he did not return the call.

[Dwinsgames]

2nd time in a few weeks Tomlin has been caught in lies .....

The made up AB knee injury and vet day off .....

The caught up in ebb and flo of the game errrr x ray machine debacle errrr had to wait for pain shot to take effect ..... errrrrr ......

this cat got to go ............ if Brown is going to continue the I am bigger than the team and I am above the law ( 100mph in a 45 /throwing furniture out a high rise building towards the pool area ) his ass can go too ( with compensation that is )

[Mach1]

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[Shoes]

https://media.tenor.com/images/160ea8ad3a7e3206f3d911a4fa66fe4c/tenor.gif


Good thing it's off-season.

[fansince'76]

:rolleyes:

I still have to wonder if this "bombshell" would be getting reported if the Browns would have pulled that game out yesterday...

[Shoes]

:rolleyes:

I still have to wonder if this "bombshell" would be getting reported if the Browns would have pulled that game out yesterday...

Who knows, but it sure affected the Steeler team yesterday almost to the point of losing to half an injured Bengal team with a green no name QB

[AtlantaDan]

:rolleyes:

I still have to wonder if this "bombshell" would be getting reported if the Browns would have pulled that game out yesterday...

Probably not since the players who were sources probably would have kept the lid on what was going on.

Since the season is over and after the game along with today were the last chance for players not named Ben to have media availability this season, those who were fed up with this, other incidents in Bouchette’s story, and who knows what else that has been going on this season decided to unload

[GoSlash27]

On second thought if Brown threw a ball at Artie Burns, was he wrong or was everyone that didn’t throw a ball at Burns wrong??

Why throw a ball at Artie Burns? Not like he'd catch it... :lol:

[fansince'76]

Probably not since the players who were sources probably would have kept the lid on what was going on.

Since the season is over and after the game along with today were the last chance for players not named Ben to have media availability this season, those who were fed up with this, other incidents in Bouchette’s story, and who knows what else that has been going on this season decided to unload

And now Bouchette and company have a juicy story (based largely on hearsay and conjecture, natch) they can drag out for months. How convenient.

I guess I just don't care enough anymore.

[86WARD]

Where did it say that he threw a ball? Really. I missed that part.

IDEA: Trade AB to the Jaguars straight up for Jalen Ramsey. :deadhorse:

It says it in the link.

[cold-hard-steel]

Fine, Still want a source.

I still want Adity

[GoSlash27]

If the story is true, something needs to be done with the culture of the team...

One thing I can *definitely* blame Tomlin for. Back in the day, players would join the team as apprentices. Starters would mentor them and teach them the "Steeler way" until they became competent enough to take the field.
Now the mantra is "next man up" and everyone is expected to be game ready from day one. It really hurt the culture IMO.

But perhaps that's just me...

[86WARD]

Think this goes a long way in explaining how flat the offense was yesterday.

Not sure how this plays out going forward? But the possibility of AB getting traded has to be considered.

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Brown has become a diva a-hole on and off the field. Not Tomlin's fault.

It is partially Tomlin’s fault though. He’s created this culture that allows these players to be assholes. He’s certainly not helping the situation. It’s one story line after another with this team...is it not? It starts from the top down. At what point is the head coach and ownership held responsible?

[vader29]

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[86WARD]

1079856400355000321

Lol. What a disaster of an organization...hasn’t ever been this bad...not even in the 80s...

[86WARD]

If they were to trade AB, this team would wind up in the basement of the AFC North.

[Shoes]

wonder why AB wasn't disciplined or fined last week. If this is all so, I'd say AB is done in Pittsburgh, something is rooted deep there right or wrong.

[FrancoLambert]

If there’s a Ben - AB rift that can’t be mended, we know how that will end.

[st33lersguy]

Think this goes a long way in explaining how flat the offense was yesterday.

Not sure how this plays out going forward? But the possibility of AB getting traded has to be considered.

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Brown has become a diva a-hole on and off the field. Not Tomlin's fault.

Tomlin has allowed for a toxic culture to take over the locker room and it's festering over. Tomlin could put a stop to this bullshit anytime, but he's too busy living off of a Super Bowl whose 10th anniversary was just celebrated and coming up with stupid quotes for press conferences to address it and put a stop to it. He has as much control over that locker room as Marvin Lewis had before he got fired. The lunatics are running the black and gold asylum. Either fire the coach and hire someone will instill order and discipline or blow the whole. That's the only viable option

[Dwinsgames]

PITTSBURGH -- Steelers (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers) wide receiver Antonio Brown (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/13934/antonio-brown) "went off" on a teammate and skipped multiple meetings and practices before and after the season finale against the Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals), a team source confirmed to ESPN.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/12/31/antonio-brown-dispute-steelers-news-nfl/stories/201812310108) first reported Brown elected to sit out practices after the heated dispute, and the Steelers' decision not to play him against the Bengals had nothing to do with a knee injury. The report said Brown became "disgusted" and threw a football in anger at one of his teammates during a walkthrough, citing several sources.
A source told ESPN that Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/5536/ben-roethlisberger) was involved in the discussion with Brown, but this wasn't a head-to-head clash, and more of Brown flaming up like he has in the past. The source added that it didn't appear Brown threw a football directly at the quarterback.
Brown got upset that Roethlisberger wanted to run a hot read over again during a walkthrough, so coaches sent another player to run the play, a source close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Brown got upset, left practice and talked with Roethlisberger afterward, telling the quarterback that he felt underappreciated and had issues with people in the organization, the source told Schefter.
Brown left and wouldn't respond to the Steelers, including team president Art Rooney II, the source said.
Brown was seen talking with teammate Darrius Heyward-Bey (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/12570/darrius-heyward-bey) on Thursday in the locker room but wasn't present the rest of the week or during Monday's exit meetings.
The Steelers will not have official comment on the matter, but coach Mike Tomlin -- who said Brown missed late-week practices with a knee injury -- will address the media Wednesday for his previously scheduled end-of-season news conference.
Antonio Brown's absence in Week 17 had nothing to do with an injury, sources said. Gregory Shamus/Getty ImagesSome Steelers players thought it was odd that Brown showed up and walked onto the field pregame in a large, multi-colored coat instead of Steelers gear.
"It's a difficult situation," one player said. "It's hard to know what to think. This is the stuff that's hard to deal with."
Something was up during the week as several players and coaches were blunt when asked about Brown.
"I'm not going to answer any questions about Antonio. Next," offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner said.
Tomlin told reporters Friday that Brown was experiencing knee discomfort coming out of the Week 16 game against the New Orleans Saints (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-saints) and would undergo tests.
Brown finished the season with 104 catches for 1,297 yards and 15 touchdowns. Brown has an NFL-record six consecutive 100-catch seasons.
Brown and team MVP JuJu Smith-Schuster (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3120348/juju-smith-schuster) become the first duo in the modern NFL era to record matching 100-catch, 1,200-yard seasons.
But Brown's Week 17 absence punctuates a bizarre year for the All-Pro. Brown has threatened a reporter over a story he didn't like, became incensed on the sidelines during a Week 2 loss, responded on social media to a critique from a former Steelers employee with the line "Trade me let's find out" and faced lawsuits over allegations he threw furniture over the 14th-floor balcony of a South Florida apartment balcony.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25657298/antonio-brown-upset-steelers-skipped-practices-final-game

[Bluecoat96]

Honestly, this is all beginning to sound like a big game of telephone. The story seems to continue to morph into something new. I don't doubt in the least something happened, but each story I see about this seems to be just a little different.

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[Shoes]

Honestly, this is all beginning to sound like a big game of telephone. The story seems to continue to morph into something new. I don't doubt in the least something happened, but each story I see about this seems to be just a little different.

Sent from my XT1710-02 using Tapatalk

What remains constant is AB behavior and action.

[DesertSteel]

The season begins with drama and the season ends with drama. It’s a good thing that this crap has no effect on this team. On the other hand, according to some around here, we’re all morons for noticing their dysfunctional drama.

[GBMelBlount]

If they were to trade AB, this team would wind up in the basement of the AFC North.

If it is for a premier defender we will be better.

Ben just passed for 5,000 yards and AB was less than 25% of that as a number one receiver?

Draft another receiver and divvy up the passes.

We also need a head coach who LIKE Munchak (not saying Munchak should be head coach) commands the respect of his players.

[Dwinsgames]

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it is worse than we thought people Mike Tomlin has COMPLETELY lost this football team

[86WARD]

If it is for a premier defender we will be better.

Ben just passed for 5,000 yards and AB was less than 25% of that as a number one receiver?

Draft another receiver and divvy up the passes.

We also need a head coach who LIKE Munchak (not saying Munchak should be head coach) commands the respect of his players.

Did you see the offense without Bell and Brown...yikes...

[AtlantaDan]

If it is for a premier defender we will be better.

Ben just passed for 5,000 yards and AB was less than 25% of that as a number one receiver?

Draft another receiver and divvy up the passes.

Consider the possibility 75% of the yardage going to receivers other than AB had something to do with coverage rotating AB’s way - there may have been a number of reasons for the offense playing horribly against a bad defense yesterday but the passing game without AB was awful

It may have reached the point AB is too toxic to keep but it will be a significantly less effective offense without him

[GBMelBlount]

Did you see the offense without Bell and Brown...yikes...

Ben had no time to prepare for his number one receiver Brown being out.

Now he has a whole offseason.

[86WARD]

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it is worse than we thought people Mike Tomlin has COMPLETELY lost this football team

Nothing is going to change. Tomlin needs to change his philosophy. The coordinators have to physically change and they need to get leadership in the locker room...James Harrison type of leadership. This defense was shit before his attitude reappeared and it’s been shit since he left. Say what you want about James, but the locker room changed and the defense changed while he was here and changed for the better...

[st33lersguy]

If AB goes, but Tomlin and all the bad assistant coaches remain then they will have just gotten much worse without addressing the root of the problem. This a culture problem that is bigger than one player. T.O. Harrison got released, Smokey Bryant got traded, and the media firestorm surrounding Smokey Bell ended nearly 2 months ago, yet the problems in the locker room remain. The only thing that will solve this is hiring a disciplinarian to restore order, someone who will take charge and be a leader.

[GBMelBlount]

Consider the possibility 75% of the yardage going to receivers other than AB had something to do with coverage rotating AB’s way - there may have been a number of reasons for the offense playing horribly against a bad defense yesterday but the passing game without AB was awful

It may have reached the point AB is too toxic to keep but it will be a significantly less effective offense without him

I don't know Dan.

JuJu is a legitimate #1 who is 5th in receving yards (http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2018/seasontype/2) & Washington could be a good #2 with another offseason.

Two good receivers in Rogers/Switzer.

Conners & Samuels in the backfield are solid.

Good production from our tight ends this year.

Top tier offensive line.

Draft a receiver in round 3-5 and we could be just fine imo.

We would have the whole offseason (and draft?) to adjust and Ben has always made it work with whatever he has, wouldn't you agree?

Personally, I am far more concerned about our defense than the loss/trade of AB.

[GoSlash27]

On the other hand, according to some around here, we’re all morons for noticing their dysfunctional drama.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E

Nobody thinks you're a 'moron', we're just sick of you going on about it in every frickin' thread, as if you or the rest of us have any control over it. Do you really think the members of this forum have so much pull with the FO that we can just get together, have a vote, and make staffing changes?? We can't, so your (incessant, annoying) barking is up the wrong tree. We get your opinion, duly noted. It may be right or wrong, but absolutely worthless to us since we can't do anything about it. Why don't you go complain to somebody with some authority in this matter?

[DesertSteel]

Nobody thinks you're a 'moron', we're just sick of you going on about it in every frickin' thread,
Did I start the thread? I find your constant policing of telling people what their opinion should be to be annoying. Use the ignore button if you don't want to see my posts.

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There goes the first round pick that should be defense.............. WR at #1???

[zulater]

Ryan Clark just ripped into AB as a person and teammate on Sportscenter. Said he would commit to a teammates fundraiser and not show or come late. Said he would blow off paid radio commitments and be not show at events that had billed his presence with lines of kids waiting his arrival.

I've heard other make the same claims so I buying what he's saying. Said he's also known to get cross and unreasonable with teammates. But this time he might have bit off more than he can chew.

[GoSlash27]

Did I start the thread? I find your constant policing of telling people what their opinion should be to be annoying. Use the ignore button if you don't want to see my posts.

Oh, I'm not policing what your opinion should be. I frankly don't give a crap what your opinion is. I'm just asking you to regulate when and where you choose share it, out of common courtesy to the rest of us. Trust me, your opinion is no more or less important than anyone else's.
And seriously... if you have to tell people to put you on ignore, you're doing something wrong. ;)

[86WARD]

I don't know Dan.

JuJu is a legitimate #1 who is 5th in receving yards (http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/year/2018/seasontype/2) & Washington could be a good #2 with another offseason.

Two good receivers in Rogers/Switzer.

Conners & Samuels in the backfield are solid.

Good production from our tight ends this year.

Top tier offensive line.

Draft a receiver in round 3-5 and we could be just fine imo.

We would have the whole offseason (and draft?) to adjust and Ben has always made it work with whatever he has, wouldn't you agree?

Personally, I am far more concerned about our defense than the loss/trade of AB.

JuJu was doubled last night and kinda irrelevant. He’s not going to replace AB and those other two certainly won’t come close to replacing JuJu...he’s far and away a bigger talent than the two put together.

Say what you want about having time to adjust but losing one of the best receivers to ever play the game...you’re not going to replace that...given 5 off-seasons...lol.

Trading Brown isn’t the answer. Creating a culture that can be respected and policed by the coaches and athletes is what’s needed. Chemistry.

I’d consider getting rid of Ben before AB. AB has more years left than Ben does...but that’s not the answer either.

[DesertSteel]

Ryan Clark just ripped into AB as a person and teammate on Sportscenter. Said he would commit to a teammates fundraiser and not show or come late. Said he would blow off paid radio commitments and be not show at events that had billed his presence with lines of kids waiting his arrival.

I've heard other make the same claims so I buying what he's saying. Said he's also known to get cross and unreasonable with teammates. But this time he might have bit off more than he can chew.
At least I give credit to Tomlin for benching him. This team can't even fade into the offseason like the rest of the 20 teams that didn't make the playoffs.

[Shoes]

Did I start the thread? I find your constant policing of telling people what their opinion should be to be annoying. Use the ignore button if you don't want to see my posts.

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There goes the first round pick that should be defense.............. WR at #1???

I don't think the Steelers would go WR in R1, they have had pretty good success with later round WR. I think defense will be a R1 pick

[Dwinsgames]

Did I start the thread? I find your constant policing of telling people what their opinion should be to be annoying. Use the ignore button if you don't want to see my posts.

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There goes the first round pick that should be defense.............. WR at #1???


will be difficult to trade Brown or release him even if they wanted to ..... 20 million dead cap hit in doing so ..

so unless they can make a trade and the other team assume some of that hit it probably wont happen ( even if it should )

we are in a organizational mess for sure ( Thanks Tomlin )

[DesertSteel]

I don't think the Steelers would go WR in R1, they have had pretty good success with later round WR
I hope it gets worked out because unlike Bell, AB is truly a generational talent.

[Shoes]

I hope it gets worked out because unlike Bell, AB is truly a generational talent.

no question about that

[GoSlash27]

I hope it gets worked out because unlike Bell, AB is truly a generational talent.

True, but OTOH he's a previous generational talent and a locker room cancer. I don't think he can be the dominant WR on another squad he was here, and it appears JuJu is taking over.

[GBMelBlount]

JuJu was doubled last night and kinda irrelevant. He’s not going to replace AB and those other two certainly won’t come close to replacing JuJu...he’s far and away a bigger talent than the two put together.

Say what you want about having time to adjust but losing one of the best receivers to ever play the game...you’re not going to replace that...given 5 off-seasons...lol.

Trading Brown isn’t the answer. Creating a culture that can be respected and policed by the coaches and athletes is what’s needed. Chemistry.

I’d consider getting rid of Ben before AB. AB has more years left than Ben does...but that’s not the answer either.

JuJu can't replace AB? JuJu was number 5 in the entire nfl in receiving yards.

Get rid of Ben before AB? Do you really think we have any chance of winning a superbowl the next two years with a backup QB? Right...

While AB is a generational talent he is now 30 and a headcase. While I would love to keep him his best days are behind him and he is now a diva. If he is going to be a prima donna we can live without him.

We agree on having coaches with ballsacks, but otherwise we don't. Sorry.

[Shoes]

will be difficult to trade Brown or release him even if they wanted to ..... 20 million dead cap hit in doing so ..

so unless they can make a trade and the other team assume some of that hit it probably wont happen ( even if it should )

we are in a organizational mess for sure ( Thanks Tomlin )


It will be interesting to see what happens, the problem here is the problem isn't going to go away. I don't know what AB's beef is but it's rooted deep, be it right or wrong. Not sure how a trade would work or if something could be worked out in the draft?

[GoSlash27]

JuJu can't replace AB? JuJu was number 5 in the entire nfl in receiving yards.

Get rid of Ben before AB? Do you really think we have any chance of winning a superbowl the next two years with a backup QB? Right...

While AB is a generational talent he is now 30 and a headcase. While I would love to keep him his best days are behind him and he is now a diva. If he is going to be a prima donna we can live without him.

We agree on having coaches with ballsacks, but otherwise we don't. Sorry.

I'd argue that JuJu has already replaced AB (AFA being the primary WR). Winning SBs without Ben... I agree that's a stretch, but it's the new reality we'll have to contend with soon. Talk about a "generational talent", that's Ben for sure. You don't just replace a guy like that.

[Shoes]

I'd argue that JuJu has already replaced AB (AFA being the primary WR). Winning SBs without Ben... I agree that's a stretch, but it's the new reality we'll have to contend with soon. Talk about a "generational talent", that's Ben for sure. You don't just replace a guy like that.


I think he has and it took place naturally, like seed blooming into a beautiful flower.

[GBMelBlount]

I think he has and it took place naturally, like seed blooming into a beautiful flower.

That was bit gay, but I agree. :chuckle:

Still, fingers crossed we keep AB.

As 86 said. AB is a generational talent.

[Shoes]

That was bit gay, but I agree. :chuckle:

I thought so too but I'm too old to care. :lol:

[Born2Steel]

Are we really discussing getting rid of AB because of something we don't know all the details on yet? :gossip:

[Shoes]

Are we really discussing getting rid of AB because of something we don't know all the details on yet? :gossip:


Hey, it's offseason and the draft is a long way off. :lol:

[GoSlash27]

That was bit gay, but I agree. :chuckle:

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/usp_nfl__pittsburgh_steelers_at_cincinnati_bengals _78264906-e1450037850768.jpg

Gawd, I miss having a proper CB :(

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Are we really discussing getting rid of AB because of something we don't know all the details on yet? :gossip:

Yes :) Or rather, the team may decide to get rid of him. If they do, I won't lose any sleep. Dude's a problem.

[Shoes]

Funny the memory that sticks out in my mind about gay is when Adrian Peterson ran over him :lol:



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[86WARD]

JuJu can't replace AB? JuJu was number 5 in the entire nfl in receiving yards.

Get rid of Ben before AB? Do you really think we have any chance of winning a superbowl the next two years with a backup QB? Right...

While AB is a generational talent he is now 30 and a headcase. While I would love to keep him his best days are behind him and he is now a diva. If he is going to be a prima donna we can live without him.

We agree on having coaches with ballsacks, but otherwise we don't. Sorry.

JuJu has the benefit of having AB on the other side of him. (Sounds a lot like the AB/Wallace argument). However, where was JuJu yesterday? 5 catches for 37 yards against a bunch of second string DBs? Because he was being doubled most of the game. He was doubled against NE and did little to nothing. I love JuJu, probably more than most, in a way he “replaced” AB as a go to receiver for Ben but he’s not AB...and probably won’t be. If you don’t think ABs talent is special then you’re just choosing to wear blinders. JuJu is good but he’s not AB good and he’s benefitting a lot from the doubles that AB is drawing.

I don’t think they can win a Super Bowl without Ben. I also don’t think they can win one without AB. I don’t think they can win one with Ben, AB and JuJu right now as the culture surrounding the team is just toxic as a whole. The coordinators aren’t doing their job, the HC is full of coach speak and nothing more. Tomlin and the front office is slowly getting rid of this teams best players...Harrison gone (no leadership since he was run out), Bell gone (arguably one of the best RBs in the league) and now people want to trade AB? Lol. If Bell was on the roster, this team would be in the playoffs. Easily. If Harrison’s leadership is in that locker room, the defense would play with some attitude.

I suspect that the fan base will turn on AB and he’ll go from being the next Jerry Rice to shit. Just like James Harrison, Just like LeVeon Bell. There’s a pattern occurring here and it’s not a good one...

[GBMelBlount]

JuJu has the benefit of having AB on the other side of him. (Sounds a lot like the AB/Wallace argument). However, where was JuJu yesterday? 5 catches for 37 yards against a bunch of second string DBs? Because he was being doubled most of the game. He was doubled against NE and did little to nothing. I love JuJu, probably more than most, in a way he “replaced” AB as a go to receiver for Ben but he’s not AB...and probably won’t be. If you don’t think ABs talent is special then you’re just choosing to wear blinders. JuJu is good but he’s not AB good and he’s benefitting a lot from the doubles that AB is drawing.

I don’t think they can win a Super Bowl without Ben. I also don’t think they can win one without AB. I don’t think they can win one with Ben, AB and JuJu right now as the culture surrounding the team is just toxic as a whole. The coordinators aren’t doing their job, the HC is full of coach speak and nothing more. Tomlin and the front office is slowly getting rid of this teams best players...Harrison gone (no leadership since he was run out), Bell gone (arguably one of the best RBs in the league) and now people want to trade AB? Lol. If Bell was on the roster, this team would be in the playoffs. Easily. If Harrison’s leadership is in that locker room, the defense would play with some attitude.

I suspect that the fan base will turn on AB and he’ll go from being the next Jerry Rice to shit. Just like James Harrison, Just like LeVeon Bell. There’s a pattern occurring here and it’s not a good one...

I think we agree on a lot.

If AB "turns" on the Steelers do you have a problem with fans turning on AB?

[teegre]

Ryan Clark just ripped into AB as a person and teammate on Sportscenter. Said he would commit to a teammates fundraiser and not show or come late. Said he would blow off paid radio commitments and be not show at events that had billed his presence with lines of kids waiting his arrival.

I've heard other make the same claims so I buying what he's saying. Said he's also known to get cross and unreasonable with teammates. But this time he might have bit off more than he can chew.

Yep... Big Ben wins that battle. #byeAB

As I’ve said (as nauseum), trade AB for a top CB.

1. It solves our defensive woes.
2. We cannot draft DBs to save our lives.
3. While it’s unlikely that we’ll “replace” AB, we do have a good track record of drafting receivers.
4. It forces the OC to run more.
5. It gets rid of a locker room cancer.

[Born2Steel]

Would Gruden, err I mean Mayock, take AB for one of his 17 first round picks?

[cubanstogie]

offseason time will heal all wounds. Yesterday after elimination felt like wife cheating, after today if feels like she cheated with my brother(if I had one). Steelers don't need anymore drama. Whats the deal with WR's, biggest prima donnas ever. Leveon is a wide receiver trapped in a RB's body.

[teegre]

Would Gruden, err I mean Mayock, take AB for one of his 17 first round picks?
I do NOT want draft picks. Too risky.

I want an established defender. Ramsey, Peterson, Ramsey, Mack, or Ramsey.

[GoSlash27]

offseason time will heal all wounds. Yesterday after elimination felt like wife cheating, after today if feels like she cheated with my brother(if I had one). Steelers don't need anymore drama. Whats the deal with WR's, biggest prima donnas ever. Leveon is a wide receiver trapped in a RB's body.
Wait... is that supposed to be better or worse?? O_o

[Born2Steel]

If Ramsey is not available or willing to come to Pittsburgh would you settle for Ramsey?

[GBMelBlount]

I do NOT want draft picks. Too risky.

I want an established defender. Ramsey, Peterson, Ramsey, Mack, or Ramsey.

Absolutely for that ONE plug and play ~"Troy" type difference maker on defense.

Otherwise draft defensive line and/or edge rusher in the first two rounds.

[st33lersguy]

If the team trades AB because he is a locker room cancer, what the hell good would it do to trade him for another locker room cancer in Ramsey? Team would be just as big of a shitshow if not bigger with Ramsey and Ramsey would cause a lot of problems and people would be asking for him to be traded because of the problems he would cause

[cubanstogie]

If Ramsey is not available or willing to come to Pittsburgh would you settle for Ramsey?
problem is he is a cancer. Im sure others saw this too but on NFL prime or some show analysts basically said the guy doesn't listen to DC. He does what he wants on D and freelances if he doesn't agree with the play or schemes they are running. He thinks he knows better than coaches and thats a problem

[teegre]

If Ramsey is not available or willing to come to Pittsburgh would you settle for Ramsey?

Well, if Ramsey can Ramsey then I’d be perfectly Ramsey with Ramsey.

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If the team trades AB because he is a locker room cancer, what the hell good would it do to trade him for another locker room cancer in Ramsey? Team would be just as big of a shitshow if not bigger with Ramsey and Ramsey would cause a lot of problems and people would be asking for him to be traded because of the problems he would cause

You make very valid points. My contention is that a CB be be a problem child, because he plays on an island anyway. It’s the one position where being a me-first egocentric a$$hole is actually a benefit.

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problem is he is a cancer. Im sure others saw this too but on NFL prime or some show analysts basically said the guy doesn't listen to DC. He does what he wants on D and freelances if he doesn't agree with the play or schemes they are running. He thinks he knows better than coaches and thats a problem

On our defense... he would be correct. :lol:

Really though, we allowed Troy to freelance, and I’d have no problem giving Ramsey the same freedom.

[GoSlash27]

JuJu has the benefit of having AB on the other side of him. (Sounds a lot like the AB/Wallace argument). However, where was JuJu yesterday? 5 catches for 37 yards against a bunch of second string DBs? Because he was being doubled most of the game. He was doubled against NE and did little to nothing.

That just comes with the territory of being the #1 receiver. AB went through the same thing the last few seasons; getting shut down with double and triple teams. The key is to have another WR threat to make them pay for over-committing on one guy. JuJu didn't have that backup this season.
It's no reflection on JuJu, just like it wasn't a reflection on AB. The primary job of a #1 WR is to draw coverage away from other threats and let them feed. If the defense slips and your number gets called, then you remind them why they need to cover you. JuJu did that, just like AB always does.

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analysts basically said the guy doesn't listen to DC. He does what he wants on D and freelances if he doesn't agree with the play or schemes they are running. He thinks he knows better than coaches and thats a problem

https://www.dvdsreleasedates.com/pictures/800/85000/Troy-Polamalu.jpg
Sounds familiar. Of course, Polamalu was also very grounded, humble, and not at all a cancer.
So there's that...

[teegre]

Absolutely for that ONE plug and play ~"Troy" type difference maker on defense.

100% Trade a HOFer on offense for a HOFer on defense.

[hawaiiansteeler]

100% Trade a HOFer on offense for a HOFer on defense.

I agree, 100% trade a 30 year old HOFer on offense for a 24 year old HOFer on defense....

[st33lersguy]

That just comes with the territory of being the #1 receiver. AB went through the same thing the last few seasons; getting shut down with double and triple teams. The key is to have another WR threat to make them pay for over-committing on one guy. JuJu didn't have that backup this season.
It's no reflection on JuJu, just like it wasn't a reflection on AB. The primary job of a #1 WR is to draw coverage away from other threats and let them feed. If the defense slips and your number gets called, then you remind them why they need to cover you. JuJu did that, just like AB always does.

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https://www.dvdsreleasedates.com/pictures/800/85000/Troy-Polamalu.jpg
Sounds familiar. Of course, Polamalu was also very grounded, humble, and not at all a cancer.
So there's that...

Key is LeBeau gave Troy the freedom to freelance because he knew Troy was special. There was no issue of Troy not listening to LeBeau

[FrancoLambert]

offseason time will heal all wounds. Yesterday after elimination felt like wife cheating, after today if feels like she cheated with my brother(if I had one). Steelers don't need anymore drama. Whats the deal with WR's, biggest prima donnas ever. Leveon is a wide receiver trapped in a RB's body.

The off-season could heal some of our coaching wounds, they’ve physical...make coaching changes.
This team has a lot of mental wounds that festered all season and they’re coming to a head.

[GoSlash27]

Key is LeBeau gave Troy the freedom to freelance because he knew Troy was special. There was no issue of Troy not listening to LeBeau

I remember seeing an interview with LeBeau not too long ago where he disagreed with this. Polamalu not listening to LeBeau was a *HUGE* problem. Troy usually just went his own way, regardless of the call. LeBeau learned to let Troy freelance because Troy was usually right when they disagreed. More importantly, Ryan Clark was so sharp at FS that he could usually cover for Polamalu when he made a bad read.

But again, Ramsey <> Polamalu.

[Mojouw]

So wouldn't the head coach benching a star player for not acting properly and then trying to keep the issue inside the locker room be EXACTLY what should be happening?

But somehow punishing a player for going off the rails is now a signal of bad coaching?

I'm not clear what people want. No discipline and discipline are both evidence of the same flaw. That seems a bit conflicting.

Also, a SB winning Seahawks team got in fistfights the week of the SB.

Egos and competition are weird.

[Mojouw]

How good was JUJU without AB to draw coverages? Pretty much not good.

[steelerdude15]

Either AB is just having a bad year or we're starting to see the true him which I think the latter is the case. If this is who he really is, I hope he can change his attitude and drop his ego like Ben did in 2010. As mentioned earlier, he's too valuable and has too much of a cap hit, but if he continues to be a distraction, he should be traded.

[GBMelBlount]

How good was JUJU without AB to draw coverages? Pretty much not good.

One game?

[teegre]

How good was JUJU without AB to draw coverages? Pretty much not good.

About as good as AB faired in the 2016 AFCCG...

[NCSteeler]

I’d start calling teams tomorrow about a trade. This team is bad enough they don’t need more of this crap. Draft best ILB 1st and the best WR 2nd. Fuck brown he ain’t bigger than the Steelers! Tomlin better get a hold on this team soon.


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[DesertSteel]

One game?
Exactly.

[NCSteeler]

offseason time will heal all wounds. Yesterday after elimination felt like wife cheating, after today if feels like she cheated with my brother(if I had one). Steelers don't need anymore drama. Whats the deal with WR's, biggest prima donnas ever. Leveon is a wide receiver trapped in a RB's body.

Read the news Brown has been a head case since last off season, time for him to ship out. Bye bye


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[GoSlash27]

About as good as AB faired in the 2016 AFCCG...

Exactly. How good is *any* WR when double and triple teamed? If they are left one on one and gashing defenses, then they are doing their job. If they are doubled and tripled, then they are still doing their job, even if the stats don't show it. They present a threat that defenses must honor. The Bengals recognized how dangerous JuJu is and left others free to capitalize on it.

[NCSteeler]

So wouldn't the head coach benching a star player for not acting properly and then trying to keep the issue inside the locker room be EXACTLY what should be happening?

But somehow punishing a player for going off the rails is now a signal of bad coaching?

I'm not clear what people want. No discipline and discipline are both evidence of the same flaw. That seems a bit conflicting.

Also, a SB winning Seahawks team got in fistfights the week of the SB.

Egos and competition are weird.

The coach covered his ass by saying it was an injury. He should have dressed him and benched him' or called him a healthy scratch. Tomlin punked out


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[NCSteeler]

Dupree’s recent comments make it seem like some of the players want to be held accountable.


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[Mojouw]

Point is that AB is clearly a pretty crappy person but JUJU simply isn't gonna carry a passing game by himself. Everything I have read and saw about the game indicated that the Bengals manned up the reciecers on defense and the Steelers couldn't separate.

Look, maybe AB ends up needing to go. Fine, but to pretend the offense won't suffer greatly is kinda foolish.


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[Mojouw]

The coach covered his ass by saying it was an injury. He should have dressed him and benched him' or called him a healthy scratch. Tomlin punked out


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So your plan is to air out your temperamental star in public? That's a recipe for disaster.

Teams cover for in house stuff all the time.


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[lipps83]

I'm not clear what people want.

You must not visit these forums too often, so I will fill you in on what the people here want.

Robots. Lots and lots of robots. Hall Of Fame caliber robots at every position with no emotion. The kind that won't fall over when you hit them. No mistakes. 17-0 season every year until they get bored of winning all the time, so by 2030 it should finally be okay to NOT win a super bowl for once. Every game 50-0.

And Ross from 'Friends' should be the head coach.

[GoSlash27]

Point is that AB is clearly a pretty crappy person but JUJU simply isn't gonna carry a passing game by himself.

Agreed, but OTOH we don't need AB *specifically*. Another good receiver (or several credible threats) can stretch the secondary sufficiently. If AB is becoming a liability, we can get by without him.

[NCSteeler]

So your plan is to air out your temperamental star in public? That's a recipe for disaster.

Teams cover for in house stuff all the time.


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I’d rather the coach not lie to me about an injury. Simple. He creates a better locker room if he holds the stars(his buds) as accountable as the scrubs. Public and private



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[NCSteeler]

Agreed, but OTOH we don't need AB *specifically*. Another good receiver (or several credible threats) can stretch the secondary sufficiently. If AB is becoming a liability, we can get by without him.

We missed Bryant this season the deep speedster


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[Mojouw]

I’d rather the coach not lie to me about an injury. Simple. He creates a better locker room if he holds the stars(his buds) as accountable as the scrubs. Public and private



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How in the heck is benching a dude in an elimination game not the ultimate accountability?

Embarrassing a guy in public on top of that? Wanna talk about losing a locker room.




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[DesertSteel]

So wouldn't the head coach benching a star player for not acting properly and then trying to keep the issue inside the locker room be EXACTLY what should be happening?

But somehow punishing a player for going off the rails is now a signal of bad coaching?

I'm not clear what people want. No discipline and discipline are both evidence of the same flaw. That seems a bit conflicting.

Also, a SB winning Seahawks team got in fistfights the week of the SB.

Egos and competition are weird.
I'm 100% happy that Tomlin benched AB (if that's what actually happened). I wouldn't have cared if it was the Super Bowl. Nobody is bigger than the team.

[GoSlash27]

We missed Bryant this season the deep speedster


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We missed quite a few players this year. That's the nature of the beast ;)

[Mojouw]

Agreed, but OTOH we don't need AB *specifically*. Another good receiver (or several credible threats) can stretch the secondary sufficiently. If AB is becoming a liability, we can get by without him.

Sure. But if he goes you need another WR or two immediately. Not draft a guy and it's fine. But you will be forced to go get a viable #2 with your limited cap dollars. Going rate from last season - 9-16 million per year. Yikes!


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[Mojouw]

I'm 100% happy that Tomlin benched AB (if that's what actually happened). I wouldn't have cared if it was the Super Bowl. Nobody is bigger than the team.

Me too. I think it's awesome. But no need to go public. Initial reports makee think Tomlin nailed this one.

[GoSlash27]

Sure. But if he goes you need another WR or two immediately. Not draft a guy and it's fine. But you will be forced to go get a viable #2 with your limited cap dollars. Going rate from last season - 9-16 million per year. Yikes!


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I think we have enough depth there personally, but even if you disagree (which I understand) the Steelers aren't struggling for cap space.

[Born2Steel]

OK ENOUGH!!!! AB is not replaceable. That is what a generational talent means. Remember his stretch for the TD vs the Ravens as time runs out? Looks like a play anyone could make right? Not so much. AB! How about all those "Tony Toetap" catches on the sidelines? Just need an average to good WR? Think again. AB!

You want to get rid of the guy because he acts selfishly? Fine, that's ok for you to want that if that's how you honestly feel. But to think you can just replace AB is beyond stupid thinking. You will NEVER see a guy like him in a Steelers uniform again. Generational Talent! HoF! That means something and it is not simply replaceable.

[GoSlash27]

Again, JuJu has *already* replaced AB. He makes all the same acrobatic catches, makes people miss in open field the same way, and is a better combat receiver. Plus he's young and not a head case. The question is who becomes the #2 and #3.

[NCSteeler]

How in the heck is benching a dude in an elimination game not the ultimate accountability?

Embarrassing a guy in public on top of that? Wanna talk about losing a locker room.




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He didn’t bench him, he played it out like he was hurt. A total bullshit not accountable move. He should have told the team Friday, listen he’s plunking out on us and he’s fucking benched


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[NCSteeler]

Me too. I think it's awesome. But no need to go public. Initial reports makee think Tomlin nailed this one.

Listen I’m for giving Tomlin another year, but he missed the mark on this crap by letting everyone, including the team believe it as playing out different. He should have addressed this with the team long before Sunday.


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[Mojouw]

He didn’t bench him, he played it out like he was hurt. A total bullshit not accountable move. He should have told the team Friday, listen he’s plunking out on us and he’s fucking benched


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Again, what we hear as fans and what the team knows is not the same.

Tomlin benched him and tried to protect him.

[Born2Steel]

He didn’t bench him, he played it out like he was hurt. A total bullshit not accountable move. He should have told the team Friday, listen he’s plunking out on us and he’s fucking benched


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Why would you publicly sell out AB like that? If you were the HC of a successful franchise, you wouldn't.

[NCSteeler]

OK ENOUGH!!!! AB is not replaceable. That is what a generational talent means. Remember his stretch for the TD vs the Ravens as time runs out? Looks like a play anyone could make right? Not so much. AB! How about all those "Tony Toetap" catches on the sidelines? Just need an average to good WR? Think again. AB!

You want to get rid of the guy because he acts selfishly? Fine, that's ok for you to want that if that's how you honestly feel. But to think you can just replace AB is beyond stupid thinking. You will NEVER see a guy like him in a Steelers uniform again. Generational Talent! HoF! That means something and it is not simply replaceable.

He can go, we’ll be fine have been before will be now. Another bell in the making. Bye bye. Steelers! Are bigger than this bullshit


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[Mojouw]

Again, JuJu has *already* replaced AB. He makes all the same acrobatic catches, makes people miss in open field the same way, and is a better combat receiver. Plus he's young and not a head case. The question is who becomes the #2 and #3.

Yeah. Not so much. You can not be serious. Juju is good but he simply isn't in the same stratosphere as AB.

[NCSteeler]

Again, what we hear as fans and what the team knows is not the same.

Tomlin benched him and tried to protect him.

The team said they were surprised he didn’t suit up. Sounds like they didn’t know shit about any of this.


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[Born2Steel]

Again, JuJu has *already* replaced AB. He makes all the same acrobatic catches, makes people miss in open field the same way, and is a better combat receiver. Plus he's young and not a head case. The question is who becomes the #2 and #3.

Sorry to burst that JuJu bubble, he is very good, but he is not what AB is.

[NCSteeler]

Why would you publicly sell out AB like that? If you were the HC of a successful franchise, you wouldn't.

Because he’s being a bitch and if you can’t talk sense into him, you have to do what’s right for the team. Simple. Leaders don’t put stars above the whole


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[NCSteeler]

Sorry to burst that JuJu bubble, he is very good, but he is not what AB is.

So because brown is better you accept that he quit 9n his team.? Fuck that!


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[Born2Steel]

Because he’s being a bitch and if you can’t talk sense into him, you have to do what’s right for the team. Simple. Leaders don’t put stars above the whole


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OK, you're just wrong on this one. Sorry if that's hard for you to take but you are.

[NCSteeler]

So because brown is better you accept that he quit 9n his team.? Fuck that!


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[NCSteeler]

OK, you're just wrong on this one. Sorry if that's hard for you to take but you are.

Well that’s a s9lid argument, you’re wrong. Got a counter point to why Tomlin should not have benched him and told the team exactly why? Other than I’m just wrong


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[Born2Steel]

So because brown is better you accept that he quit 9n his team.? Fuck that!


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That was a "Slashy" post reply. Not to you.

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Well that’s a s9lid argument, you’re wrong. Got a counter point to why Tomlin should not have benched him and told the team exactly why? Other than I’m just wrong


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Yes. You don't publicly call out your star player. You DO NOT! That is TEAM issue. Not PUBLIC issue.

[GoSlash27]

Yeah. Not so much. You can not be serious. Juju is good but he simply isn't in the same stratosphere as AB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2K7sV-K74
I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

JuJu may or may not be in the same stratosphere as AB, but he *is* good enough to be a #1 WR in the NFL. He is also 1) the future of this franchise, 2) not old, and 3) not a locker room cancer/ head case.
WRs get replaced and the machine rolls on. JuJu can handle the job. The question is simply whether now is the time to make the transition.

[NCSteeler]

I don’t care what Tomlin told the media /us, but it’s clear from 0layers comments that they had no idea brown would be benched and had no idea why, that’s pretty shitty coaching to me. The team should have been told everything and it should have bee; used as a teaching tool as to why you don’t bow up on leadership, no master who you are


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[Mojouw]

I'm tapping out. This is getting absurd.

[Edman]

This is just the beginning of the end of the 2010's Steelers. This current group has failed in their mission, and from here on is the nuclear fallout. Bridges are being burned at a rate never seen before. This team has hit the wall. Ben is regressing. Bell is gone. AB is fed up. And the candid comments from teammates speak even louder. With the Ravens and Browns getting better, the AFC North is no longer in the cards anymore.

The Killer B's era is over. If things remain the way they are, they will win even less games in 2019 and miss the playoffs again. The window has shut. "Win Now" is over. It's time to begin the blow up and start transitioning.

[NCSteeler]

I'm tapping out. This is getting absurd.

Absurd because we think we can move 9n from brown, even if it hurts? Move on if that is what’s good for the health of the team. Bye


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[Born2Steel]

I'm tapping out. This is getting absurd.

Getting? I don't blame you. You cannot talk sense to drunk and stupid.

[NCSteeler]

Go ahead list things that have been said that are absurd


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[Born2Steel]

Absurd because we think we can move 9n from brown, even if it hurts? Move on if that is what’s good for the health of the team. Bye


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No brother, of course we CAN move on from AB. The absurdity is the WHY. The "we just replace AB with another guy". "Tomlin should have told EVERYONE, EVERYTHING. Bad Coach!!!".

[NCSteeler]

Brown is showing himself to care more about himself than the team

This team survived pre brown and they’ll survive post brown

This team needs as little as possible locker room distractions




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[Born2Steel]

Brown is showing himself to care more about himself than the team

This team survived pre brown and they’ll survive post brown

This team needs as little as possible locker room distractions




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All 3 of these statements are true.

[NCSteeler]

No brother, of course we CAN move on from AB. The absurdity is the WHY. The "we just replace AB with another guy". "Tomlin should have told EVERYONE, EVERYTHING. Bad Coach!!!".

Are you for real, he should have lied about a knee condition all week and not even let his team know he as benched till Sunday? No that’s a bullshit move and i think from reading player comment they know it was bullshit too


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[NCSteeler]

Goodnight


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[Born2Steel]

Are you for real, he should have lied about a knee condition all week and not even let his team know he as benched till Sunday? No that’s a bullshit move and i think from reading player comment they know it was bullshit too


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You asked what was absurd. I listed it.

[GoSlash27]

I'm tapping out. This is getting absurd.
Uh-huh. Just like Lev Bell was 'a generational talent' (which he was). Conner wasn't in the same stratosphere, but he got the job done and is going to the Pro Bowl. Very few players are truly "irreplaceable".

[Mojouw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2K7sV-K74
I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

JuJu may or may not be in the same stratosphere as AB, but he *is* good enough to be a #1 WR in the NFL. He is also 1) the future of this franchise, 2) not old, and 3) not a locker room cancer/ head case.
WRs get replaced and the machine rolls on. JuJu can handle the job. The question is simply whether now is the time to make the transition.

Great stuff. I don't disagree that anyone can be replaced. But I simply wanted to point out that there is a big gulf between AB and Juju. Not really that Juju isn't really good but that AB is ludicrously talented.

Came out harsher than it should've.

[Dwinsgames]

Again, JuJu has *already* replaced AB. He makes all the same acrobatic catches, makes people miss in open field the same way, and is a better combat receiver. Plus he's young and not a head case. The question is who becomes the #2 and #3.

ok here is the difference .....

JuJu can put up great numbers in the passing game in single coverage ( that is what he seen almost all season long ) BUT when he is asked to be the #1 and handle the double he all but vanishes .....

AB is the straw that stirred JuJu 's drink all season , AB pulled the double coverage and JuJu was left to be the benefactor ....

The JuJu grabs the team MVP and AB thinking WTF I did the work you got the glory and the more limelight JuJu takes the more steam comes out of AB's ears ( he has to be the center of attention he is the Diva and there can only be 1 Diva )

I worried about this almost all season long and it has now festered ..... I would bet Ben said something flattering about JuJu , maybe even joking that he is becoming the man and AB couldn't take it ... ( this is just a guess ) .....


as for the discipline Mojouw was talking about I think it is to little to late from Tomlin and judging player reactions they think so too .... hell Jesse James sounds like a man who can not wait to play for someone other than his childhood favorite team because of it .... when the football team is being called the kardashians ( who gives 2 shits how you spell that ) you have locker room issues to the point where the inmates are running the asylum and the coach has lost the respect of the team .... that is my opinion based on watching this unfold ......

but hey I am fine with trading him if a partner can be found that will give good to great compensation and also eat some of the cap hit ......( good luck ) because AB is IMO out of control and he is on the downside of his career , sure he will put up good numbers but for how long ?

[86WARD]

I'm tapping out. This is getting absurd.

Same.

Everyone is calling AB the next Jerry Rice or better one minute and now all of a sudden there’s an altercation, he’s punished (as he should be) and now he should be traded for a first round pick and an up and coming second year receiver can just replace him???

[lt194camaroz]

I love AB as much as the next guy and I do agree that Juju isn't on the same level as AB. Statistically he had more yards and receptions than AB, but anyone that knows football knows Juju was benefitting from teams doubling AB. Juju has more room to grow though, not saying he can't get to AB level, but he's not there yet. All that being said I think they need to have a sit down with AB and gauge if he can get his head on straight and if he's committed to being a Pittsburgh Steeler, if so he needs to quit being an egomaniac and shut up and fall in line, I know hes top 3 WR and the ego comes along with that, but it can't keep affecting the team like this, the team has to come first.

[cubanstogie]

OK ENOUGH!!!! AB is not replaceable. That is what a generational talent means. Remember his stretch for the TD vs the Ravens as time runs out? Looks like a play anyone could make right? Not so much. AB! How about all those "Tony Toetap" catches on the sidelines? Just need an average to good WR? Think again. AB!

You want to get rid of the guy because he acts selfishly? Fine, that's ok for you to want that if that's how you honestly feel. But to think you can just replace AB is beyond stupid thinking. You will NEVER see a guy like him in a Steelers uniform again. Generational Talent! HoF! That means something and it is not simply replaceable.
Anyone is replaceable, not saying he isn't a top 5 receiver but if its a detriment to team don't let the door hit you on way out. There are 5-7 other guys in league just like him.

[GoSlash27]

No brother, of course we CAN move on from AB. The absurdity is the WHY.

The 'why' should be self- evident. If a guy is more trouble in the locker room than he's worth on the field, then it's time to take a serious look at your options.

[GoSlash27]

Great stuff. I don't disagree that anyone can be replaced. But I simply wanted to point out that there is a big gulf between AB and Juju. Not really that Juju isn't really good but that AB is ludicrously talented.

Came out harsher than it should've.

Agreed, but again, AB's ludicrous talent comes with ludicrous downsides that affect the whole team. Plus AB is getting old and has to be put out to pasture sooner or later.

[Shoes]

Same.

Everyone is calling AB the next Jerry Rice or better one minute and now all of a sudden there’s an altercation, he’s punished (as he should be) and now he should be traded for a first round pick and an up and coming second year receiver can just replace him???

And if AB wanted to be traded, then what? Just for the heck of it lets say this is so what would you do?

[GoSlash27]

ok here is the difference .....

JuJu can put up great numbers in the passing game in single coverage ( that is what he seen almost all season long ) BUT when he is asked to be the #1 and handle the double he all but vanishes .....

That's what they all do, though. AB included. And Mike Wallace before him, and Hines Ward before him, and so on back into history. #1 WRs draw coverage to uncover other targets. They are not expected to post big numbers in that situation. They draw doubles until defenses make the mistake of leaving them singled, and then they remind everyone why they are #1.

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And if AB wanted to be traded, then what? Just for the heck of it lets say this is so what would you do?

With the understanding that I'll never *actually* be in this position... I'd trade him for an upgrade in the secondary and a decent draft pick.

[lt194camaroz]

Trade him for OBJ(if we cant get someone to help the defense like Patrick Peterson or Ramsey or draft picks). I know I know swap one diva WR for another, but they are essentially a match so I think OBJ could be plugged into AB's spot and the train keeps a Rollin. A lot of OBJ's issues have been bc he wants to win and hes kinda forced into a leadership role on his team bc they lack leadership. Not to mention hes produced at the level he has with Eli Manning as his QB and essentially not much running game to speak of until this year. Plus the giants are looking to move him so I think we could be their dance partner and we wanted OBJ that draft more than any WR when Watkins and Evans were regarded as the top WRs.

[Dwinsgames]

That's what they all do, though. AB included. And Mike Wallace before him, and Hines Ward before him, and so on back into history. #1 WRs draw coverage to uncover other targets. They are not expected to post big numbers in that situation. They draw doubles until defenses make the mistake of leaving them singled, and then they remind everyone why they are #1.

newsflash AB has been the #1 for a long time here and has drawn the double and still have produced at a pace that few before him have done .....


again I am fine with dealing him but not giving him away , but another WR will have to be drafted and a FA brought in that is superior to the bottom feeders we have not named AB and JuJu

[Fire Goodell]

we talking bout practice?

[GoSlash27]

newsflash AB has been the #1 for a long time here and has drawn the double and still have produced at a pace that few before him have done .....


again I am fine with dealing him but not giving him away , but another WR will have to be drafted and a FA brought in that is superior to the bottom feeders we have not named AB and JuJu

Again, I feel compelled to stress this point: My opinion does not matter. just as your opinion doesn't matter. I'm not sitting here feeling out the room before *I* decide what *I* am going to do about AB. *I'm* not going to do anything at all because it's not my call. I'm just some dood on the internet with a keyboard and an opinion. It really irks me when people start trying to talk other fans out of bad decisions, as if they're actually in charge of anything. This is all 100% inconsequential and hypothetical. Nothing typed or read here matters.
Having said that, I *personally* believe that our "bottom feeders" can get by as- is. I think Washington is poised for a breakout next season and Switzer can become a unique gadget guy and headache for defenses.

[Lady Steel]

*sigh*

I'll tell ya... This team...


Does anyone remember when Heath Miller told AB to stop complaining? I do. This has been going on for years.


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[Lady Steel]

Hmmm...


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Drama, drama, drama! :drama:

[smokin3000gt]

we talking bout practice?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I

[Fire Goodell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I

Not the game. NOT THE GAME that AB plays every one likke it's his last we talking bout practice :chuckle:

[pczach]

All this has come out and I'm still trying to process a few things.

Exactly what happened?

What does AB actually want?

How much of a shit-show is he on a daily basis?

Is this destroying the locker room?

Is he worth keeping?

Should they look to trade him?

I need more information before I make up my mind. I know some of what we are hearing is true, because AB has had a lot of stuff circling around him for years now. We probably don't hear one tenth of what is really happening and we hear a lot.

Here are some things I do know:

AB is the most talented WR on this team. AB is the guy that forces double teams that allows everyone else to operate in single coverage most of the time, and he still puts up ludicrous numbers. AB is one of the greatest WRs of all time.

JuJu is great. I love him as a player and he's a great kid. He's a terrific receiver, but he's not as good as AB and it's not close. If he keeps his head on straight and doesn't follow the AB path, he's going to get better and be a great receiver for a long time.

AB is 30 years old. He is still great, but he is showing signs that he is going to start slowing down. We also know that he has shown a lot of bizarre behavior the last few years, and Ryan Clark has talked a lot about who AB really is as a person. In the football world, none of that matters unless it is having a negative effect on other players and ultimately hurts the play of the team on Sundays.

Tomlin benching him was the right move. It is a strong message to AB to get his shit together or he won't have the one thing that drives him.....A stage to be on. Nobody is bigger than the team.

Is this enough to get AB to conform? Who knows. If he's losing his mind on the QB in a walk-through because Ben wants to do it again to get it right, that's not good.

I'd love to have AB until he retires, but I don't know if that's possible with his mental state. I'm open to anything if it helps the team. If that means trading AB to get another great player and it is addition by subtraction...I'll support that. The best case scenario is that he sees the light and becomes a better teammate. I just don't know that it's going to happen.

I just hope the team doesn't do something like they did with Santonio Holmes and give him away for nothing. That would be flat out stupid. They better get a lot in return or figure this thing out by pulling him in and laying out what can happen to his career if he continues down this path. If reason doesn't work and he continues to act like an ass and fracture the team, it's time to move on.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail, but it doesn't sound good.

[vader29]

I just hope the team doesn't do something like they did with Santonio Holmes and give him away for nothing.

The draft pick they got for Santonio became Antonio Brown.

[Dwinsgames]

Ryan Clark says AB has got to go ... shop him !

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[pczach]

The draft pick they got for Santonio became Antonio Brown.


I know, but turning a shitty draft pick into Tom Brady or Antonio Brown only happens once in a generation.

I'd like them to get a deal that they can turn into getting Tom Brady and Antonio Brown type players.....I'm greedy!:lol:

[Dwinsgames]

I know, but turning a shitty draft pick into Tom Brady or Antonio Brown only happens once in a generation.

I'd like them to get a deal that they can turn into getting Tom Brady and Antonio Brown type players.....I'm greedy!:lol:

its a HUGE cap hit ( dead money ) to deal him so the return has to be a good one ...

Multiple picks or a high pick and a good player ....


maybe Indy they could use a top flight WR to put beside Hilton ....

ship Brown there for a 1st and Leonard ( that is a deal I would covet ) you get your next starting ILB with coverage ability that is young on a rookie deal and a high pick to put elsewhere be it Corner or WR ....

would the Colts do it who knows ..

[GBMelBlount]

The draft pick they got for Santonio became Antonio Brown.

How crazy is that?!

You just never know.

[Dwinsgames]

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[AtlantaDan]

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Good to see a marginal defensive player criticize the sources of the P-G story who probably are on the offense (my bet would be some of the OL) for going public with their concerns by going public with his concerns.

Probably better this gets sorted out with players communicating away from the team now that the season is over rather than have it fester in the locker room or hashed out in a team meeting like the one that resulted in the national anthem cluster in Chicago in 2017

FWIW I hate defenses that repeatedly give up 4th quarter leads and LBs with the pass coverage skills of nose tackles being isolated in coverage on wide receivers

What this team needs is someone with a consistently positive attitude who never criticizes anyone like this guy who Vince Williams retweeted last night :rolleyes:

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[Dwinsgames]

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[Michael]

2nd time in a few weeks Tomlin has been caught in lies .....

The made up AB knee injury and vet day off .....

The caught up in ebb and flo of the game errrr x ray machine debacle errrr had to wait for pain shot to take effect ..... errrrrr ......
















this cat got to go ............ if Brown is going to continue the I am bigger than the team and I am above the law ( 100mph in a 45 /throwing furniture out a high rise building towards the pool area ) his ass can go too ( with compensation that is )

Thanks DWINSGAME for your clear & direct observations and conclusion. The first time I realized Tomlin was a liar was several years ago when Brian Leftwich got injured tumbling in the end zone and scoring a T in the first quarter against either the Ravens or the Buccaneers. He injured his ribs. He was in obvious pain bending over every time he passed the ball, I was shocked he was still playing into the 4th quarter. It was unbelievable that he was permitted to play. When Tomlin was asked about allowing Leftwich to play he replied "I did not know he was hurt". A blatant lie as Brian bent over grabbing his after every single pass. No way he could not see the pain Brian was in.

Understand this fellow fans Mike Tomlin is a phony , a bull shitter and has no problem lying . Now his culture is resulting in this sad sad mess. I have no respect for him but tough as it is I will remain a Steeler fan as I go back watching Steeler games in Forbes Field, Pitt Stadium , Three Rivers,and Hienz Field. Back to Ernie Stautner, John Henry Johnson, Buddy Dial, Bill Saul, and even JIm Finks , Lyn Chadnoise and so many great players coming forth. I feel so strongly that Tomlin does not deserve to a Steeler in any shape or form. Out of loyalty to the team I have reluctantly defended this man but now I know he needs to be exposed for what he is. DWINSGAME I thank you for your many astute posts. Please keep sharing your observations and opinions. PS My one concern is that Art 11 will place an infrastructure of coaches & clock management & Play Challenge personnel around Tomlin to prevent his damaging incompetency to poison this team.

[Dwinsgames]

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[teegre]

*sigh*

I'll tell ya... This team...


Does anyone remember when Heath Miller told AB to stop complaining? I do. This has been going on for years.


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rats = Ravens

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Good to see a marginal defensive player criticize the sources of the P-G story who probably are on the offense (my bet would be some of the OL) for going public with their concerns by going public with his concerns.

Probably better this gets sorted out with players communicating away from the team now that the season is over rather than have it fester in the locker room or hashed out in a team meeting like the one that resulted in the national anthem cluster in Chicago in 2017

FWIW I hate defenses that repeatedly give up 4th quarter leads and LBs with the pass coverage skills of nose tackles being isolated in coverage on wide receivers

What this team needs is someone with a consistently positive attitude who never criticizes anyone like this guy who Vince Williams retweeted last night :rolleyes:

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I’m pretty sure VW is talking about the Ravens...

[AtlantaDan]

rats = Ravens



I’m pretty sure VW is talking about the Ravens...

Upon reconsideration you probably are right. My initial post was due to thinking the worst about anything these guys say given how this team rolls with the constant acting out and sniping

I have always thought this team was close enough to another Super Bowl to tolerate all the peripheral nonsense but after the late season collapse it may be time to cut out a major sources of distraction who had no reason to complain immediately after getting the stats he craves in thevSaints game

[pczach]

its a HUGE cap hit ( dead money ) to deal him so the return has to be a good one ...

Multiple picks or a high pick and a good player ....


maybe Indy they could use a top flight WR to put beside Hilton ....

ship Brown there for a 1st and Leonard ( that is a deal I would covet ) you get your next starting ILB with coverage ability that is young on a rookie deal and a high pick to put elsewhere be it Corner or WR ....

would the Colts do it who knows ..


I don't know where this is going, but they need significant compensation if they move him.

As for the Colts, I know that Hilton and AB are friends. Imagine trying cover those two guys. I just don't know that they would mess with what they have going on there right now.

[86WARD]

Yet there’s no such thing as the Madden Curse...lol.

[teegre]

1. AB is the best WR since Rice.

2. No player is untradable.

3. Trade for a HOF-level defender.

4. We are adept at drafting WRs.

4-a. No... the new WR will not be as good as AB.

4-b. This WR just needs to be “good” (like Ward or Holmes).

4-c. This WR will be better than any DB we would have picked.

[st33lersguy]

Maybe he is fed up with Tomlin and the coaching staff that is preventing him from winning a Super Bowl. Maybe he is just extremely frustrated with how this waste of a season was going. Maybe Ben has been a royal prick to him. The environment is certainly toxic. Trading him for a defender that might not thrive in this locker room and this mess of a defensive system (particularly a certain toxic loudmouth that most people are nut-hugging, but one that people will want traded the next offseason anyway when he inevitably causes more problems) or for a pick that will inevitably be used on a rookie WR anyway is not the answer.

[DesertSteel]

Leaving a game at halftime should carry an automatic 4-game penalty from the league.

[Dwinsgames]

Leaving a game at halftime should carry an automatic 4-game penalty from the league.


it cost a certain RB his stay in Pittsburgh and he didn't leave until a few moments left in the game but ....... Tomlin does not discipline or treat all players equally ...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I agree, but its AB having a beef with Ben. The only way its good is if Ben and him can work it out. This likely all started at the Broncos game when AB was called out in the media for "not running a flat enough route" and not sure if they can park the ego's.

#1 WR in the NFL who is 30 years old, has a problem with #10 (approx.) QB in the NFL who is 36 years old. Not sure who has more long term value to the team.

[lt194camaroz]

Harrison got released after leaving at halftime too I believe

[lipps83]

I am going to be AB's advocate here.

Has anyone ever actually tried to talk to him about what is going on? Maybe there is something troubling him that absolutely no one is aware of.

Millions of people out there are calling him these things: cancer, diva, entitled, arrogant, selfish, etc.... Do you think these things don't matter? He is one person, trying to please millions of people. He can't, and it pisses you off he can't be the person you want him to be so you pile more bullshit on his shoulders. And then you wonder why he acts the way that he does.

You can't see that you are the cancer, the diva, the entitled one. You are arrogant and selfish because one person can't be the thing(s) you want him to be. He can only be AB. That is what he knows. That is what he is good at. Himself.

There is a saying that you can't give away something you don't have. You can only give away what you do have. This is true. Yet nobody stops to see that those that hurt others, give that away because that is what they have an abundance of. They make others frustrated because they are frustrated themselves.

You punish the dog because it growls at you. It only growls because you have hurt and punished it for being a dog. It never would growl if it knew it could trust you. Yet you are trying to break its will to serve your own. You say this dog is yours, yet it never really was.

The things that can't serve your will are discarded as simply as yesterdays trash. You no longer think these things are useful to serve your purpose.

You do this because you are arrogant. You are the cancer. You are the entitled one. You are selfish.

AB is a human being. Treat him like one.

He has a side of the story too, you know?

[DesertSteel]

I am going to be AB's advocate here.

Has anyone ever actually tried to talk to him about what is going on? Maybe there is something troubling him that absolutely no one is aware of.

Millions of people out there are calling him these things: cancer, diva, entitled, arrogant, selfish, etc.... Do you think these things don't matter? He is one person, trying to please millions of people. He can't, and it pisses you off he can't be the person you want him to be so you pile more bullshit on his shoulders. And then you wonder why he acts the way that he does.

You can't see that you are the cancer, the diva, the entitled one. You are arrogant and selfish because one person can't be the thing(s) you want him to be. He can only be AB. That is what he knows. That is what he is good at. Himself.

There is a saying that you can't give away something you don't have. You can only give away what you do have. This is true. Yet nobody stops to see that those that hurt others, give that away because that is what they have an abundance of. They make others frustrated because they are frustrated themselves.

You punish the dog because it growls at you. It only growls because you have hurt and punished it for being a dog. It never would growl if it knew it could trust you. Yet you are trying to break its will to serve your own. You say this dog is yours, yet it never really was.

The things that can't serve your will are discarded as simply as yesterdays trash. You no longer think these things are useful to serve your purpose.

You do this because you are arrogant. You are the cancer. You are the entitled one. You are selfish.

AB is a human being. Treat him like one.

He has a side of the story too, you know?
All I want out of Brown is to see him nut-hugging more goal posts in a Steelers uniform, like in your avatar.

As for his side of the story, I can't wait to hear it. Hopefully, it all gets patched up in the offseason.

[zulater]

He won't be released. If he's traded it will likely be after the draft. Trading him before June 7 puts 21 million on next year's cap, after only 7 million. Personally I don't trade him. I bring him and read him the riot act. I let him know in no uncertain terms that he can either play under the same set of rules everyone else on the team abides or he can be suspended without pay one a game by game basis.

The thing is you're not going to get anything resembling fair value for him. His age, his salary, and the reputation as a locker room cancer and diva will weigh down your return. Honestly his agent needs to have an intervention with him asap. His marketability is going to suffer if he comes across as a jerk. Anyway we'll see where it goes. But I think he's not going anywhere.

[Lady Steel]

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[AtlantaDan]

it cost a certain RB his stay in Pittsburgh and he didn't leave until a few moments left in the game but ....... Tomlin does not discipline or treat all players equally ...

Nor have other coaches or for that many many private sector managements when dealing with their most productive personnel.

Most flagrant example I can recall is Bill Parcells had rules that did not apply where Lawrence Taylor was concerned. The difference is the real LT was a train wreck off the field but I recall always showed up to wreak havoc in his terrifying prime on game day

[AtlantaDan]

I am going to be AB's advocate here.

Has anyone ever actually tried to talk to him about what is going on? Maybe there is something troubling him that absolutely no one is aware of.

Millions of people out there are calling him these things: cancer, diva, entitled, arrogant, selfish, etc.... Do you think these things don't matter? He is one person, trying to please millions of people. He can't, and it pisses you off he can't be the person you want him to be so you pile more bullshit on his shoulders. And then you wonder why he acts the way that he does.

You can't see that you are the cancer, the diva, the entitled one. You are arrogant and selfish because one person can't be the thing(s) you want him to be. He can only be AB. That is what he knows. That is what he is good at. Himself.

There is a saying that you can't give away something you don't have. You can only give away what you do have. This is true. Yet nobody stops to see that those that hurt others, give that away because that is what they have an abundance of. They make others frustrated because they are frustrated themselves.

You punish the dog because it growls at you. It only growls because you have hurt and punished it for being a dog. It never would growl if it knew it could trust you. Yet you are trying to break its will to serve your own. You say this dog is yours, yet it never really was.

The things that can't serve your will are discarded as simply as yesterdays trash. You no longer think these things are useful to serve your purpose.

You do this because you are arrogant. You are the cancer. You are the entitled one. You are selfish.

AB is a human being. Treat him like one.

He has a side of the story too, you know?

He definitely has major issues going on outside the lines. It may end very badly for him and not just in terms of his on the field performance. That would be unfortunate and might end up being a tragedy.

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Brown might benefit from counseling and/or meds to take the edge off his manic behavior recounted in the linked article. But the meds might also take the edge off what makes him a HOF level talent.

As far as treating AB as a human being I am up front about my agreement with Jerry Seinfeld that when it comes to pro sports I am rooting for the laundry the player wears more than the player.

I could not care less what kind of person AB is except to the extent it impacts the team I cheer for. Since his actions have gone beyond needless 15 yard celebration penalties and tossing over Gatorade tubs to blowing off practice when his team still had a shot at the playoffs, the Steelers need to take some significant action to get this misbehavior under control. If that also benefits him personally as well as the Steelers even better.

As DesertSteel posted, hopefully this gets patched up by the draft.

[Dwinsgames]

shit just got even more real .....

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[BlackAndGold]

So AB did not ask for a trade.

[Dwinsgames]

So AB did not ask for a trade.

says ??

[lipps83]

He definitely has major issues going on outside the lines. It may end very badly for him and not just in terms of his on the field performance. That would be unfortunate and might end up being a tragedy.

Brown might benefit from counseling and/or meds to take the edge off his manic behavior recounted in the linked article. But the meds might also take the edge off what makes him a HOF level talent.

As far as treating AB as a human being I am up front about my agreement with Jerry Seinfeld that when it comes to pro sports I am rooting for the laundry the player wears more than the player.

I could not care less what kind of person AB is except to the extent it impacts the team I cheer for. Since his actions have gone beyond needless 15 yard celebration penalties and tossing over Gatorade tubs to blowing off practice when his team still had a shot at the playoffs, the Steelers need to take some significant action to get this misbehavior under control. If that also benefits him personally as well as the Steelers even better.

As DesertSteel posted, hopefully this gets patched up by the draft.

The laundry should never matter more than the person! That is a huge problem with this society. This is why fans are literally killed at opposing stadiums. Because of the jersey they wear and the team they root for. The jersey is make-believe but the people are real.

That is disgusting. Higher allegiance to an imaginary object over a person.

What is even more disgusting is it is going to take something drastic for people to wake up.

It's a shame this pregnant woman will never know the glory of the Steelers Nation she doesn't align with.

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[Shoes]

Seriously? If Antonio Brown or any other player currently on the roster played for the Ravens or any other team you would care about them as persons except to the extent their performance impacted the Steelers?

Spare me your sanctimony about rooting more for a team more than a player on that team being disgusting. I have done it for 50 years without getting in fights or insulting fans wearing the opponents' jerseys when I have attended Steelers games at Pitt Stadium, TRS, and Heinz.

IMO Steeler Nation is a tired cliche but note it is not [insert player name here] Nation. That allegiance does not change as the players wearing the uniform come and go, which I guess you find disgusting.

Bingo!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

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So Ben called and texted AB numerous times and there was no response.

I thought Ben called and texted LeVeon Bell numerous times upon his deadline to sign the franchise tag and there was also no response?

Interesting trend where 2 teammates and 2 of the best football players in the league will not return calls or texts of their QB and team leader. I wonder why?

[Shoes]

So Ben called and texted AB numerous times and there was no response.

I thought Ben called and texted LeVeon Bell numerous times upon his deadline to sign the franchise tag and there was also no response?

Interesting trend where 2 teammates and 2 of the best football players in the league will not return calls or texts of their QB and team leader. I wonder why?


:lol:

[86WARD]

shit just got even more real .....

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That’s coming from LaConfora. Take that with a grain of salt...when it comes from Schefter, I’ll believe it...

But if it is true...Tomlin needs to go...there’s just too much drama year in and year out with this team...week in and week out. Brown wants out, Jesse James doesn’t want to come back and we are 2 days into the off season.

[Bluecoat96]

says ??http://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1080180542312718337

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[86WARD]

http://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1080180542312718337

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Typical LaCanfora false reporting...but then again, Rappaport isn’t anything to base anything on. Where’s Schefter??

[Shoes]

Typical LaCanfora false reporting...but then again, Rappaport isn’t anything to base anything on. Where’s Schefter??

Isn't that the truth, king of fake news.

[lipps83]

Seriously? If Antonio Brown or any other player currently on the roster played for the Ravens or any other team you would care about them as persons except to the extent their performance impacted the Steelers?

Spare me your sanctimony about rooting more for a team more than a player on that team being disgusting. I have done it for 50 years without getting in fights or insulting fans wearing the opponents' jerseys when I have attended Steelers games at Pitt Stadium, TRS, and Heinz.

IMO Steeler Nation is a tired cliche but note it is not [insert player name here] Nation. That allegiance does not change as the players wearing the uniform come and go, which I guess you find disgusting.

You don't understand (also why would you remove your post?)

Most see it as this: Steelers>Football>People
When it should be this: People>Football>Steelers

I never said the team was disgusting, I said how fans treat fans of other teams is disgusting. Those two are nowhere near being the same thing. Do you really think the Pregnant Chargers fan was there being belligerent to a sea of Steelers fans causing her to get choked by a man? Please, try to sell me that fictional story you are dying to figure out how to make up to prove my point wrong.

So will you honestly admit that you have never been belligerent to another fan of another team in your 50 years?

This really has nothing to do with Antonio Brown the individual, or Antonio Brown Nation. It has everything to do with how millions of people treat when [insert player name here] falls out of favor. That is what you and no one else seems to understand.

Stray dogs are treated more kindly than Antonio Brown is being right now. Most people are now wondering what they could get in return for AB like he is some kind of commodity. All Antonio Brown was ever guilty of was being Antonio Brown. He didn't do anything wrong, he only did something others like to call wrong because it doesn't fit into their personal world view ([I]STEELERS RULE!!).

That is the problem you and others are unable to see.

You and others can't see that you are the cancer, the diva, the arrogant or the selfish one. You are guilty of saying AB is selfish, when it is your own selfishness you are projecting at him because HE IS NOT DOING WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO. That is selfish.

[Shoes]

<snip>


You don't understand (also why would you remove your post?)

Most see it as this: Steelers>Football>People
When it should be this: People>Football>Steelers
.


Well the NFL looks at it like

Money>Money>Money

Owners

Money>Win>Money

Players

Money>Money>Win


Good luck!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

<snip>




Well the NFL looks at it like

Money>Money>Money

Owners

Money>Win>Money

Players

Money>Money>Win


Good luck!

Agreed, if you cant separate people and their morals with the team you cheer for, then you likely would not have approved of the Steelers having Gregg Lloyd, James Harrison or Ben Roethilisberger on your team and Tyreek Hill, Christian Peter, Leonard Little, Greg Hardy would never have played in the NFL.

Reality is that if Hannibal Lechter could run a 4.3, then he would have been diagnosed with an eating disorder and signed to an NFL contract.

[Shoes]

Agreed, if you cant separate people and their morals with the team you cheer for, then you likely would not have approved of the Steelers having Gregg Lloyd, James Harrison or Ben Roethilisberger on your team and Tyreek Hill, Christian Peter, Leonard Little, Greg Hardy would never have played in the NFL.

Reality is that if Hannibal Lechter could run a 4.3, then he would have been diagnosed with an eating disorder and signed to an NFL contract.


:toofunny: sad, but so true!

[Dwinsgames]

Reality is that if Hannibal Lechter could run a 4.3, then he would have been diagnosed with an eating disorder and signed to an NFL contract.


but once Hannibal Lechter started eating his own team mates he would be shown the door in short order

[lipps83]

<snip>

Well the NFL looks at it like
Money>Money>Money

Owners
Money>Win>Money

Players
Money>Money>Win


Good luck!

Yes. That is why I said it was a problem with Society. Our views/priorities are all skewed and backwards. A perfect example: a fan thinks nothing of spending hundreds, if not thousands on sports memorabilia, tickets or whatever. When the local school asks for $20 so the kids can have pencils, paper and whatever else they are outraged. This is why sports figures make millions and your teachers beg for money. The problem isn't the system(s), the problem is the 'fan' and the priorities of that 'fan'.

That's not really my point though. Sports serve as an entity to unite people, however we do not use sports for that. Greed and selfishness (for success) separates people instead. And the only thing people really get from it is bragging rights "my team is better than your team".

My point is that [insert player name here] is one individual against a sea (usually millions) of 'fanatics'. The only thing [insert player name here] can do is try his best and be the best himself that he can. I am pretty sure Antonio Brown is being the best Antonio Brown he can. I would say that everything over this past year is the result of mounting frustrations he probably has not talked to anyone about because he probably doesn't even really know why.

Silly mistakes like the facebook video. It was a simple mistake. He was just celebrating his joy with others.

It wasn't good enough though because he made a mistake other people wanted to pretend was serious. Millions of people were mad, calling him an idiot, selfish, cancer, diva and so on. Millions. You have no idea what kind of pressure that is.

And mother fuckers just keep piling it on day after day after day after day. He probably doesn't feel like he can do a single thing right anymore no matter how well be behaves because millions are only able to point out the make-believe mistakes to a make-believe game.

He broke and you broke him.

He isn't selfish. You are.

[Shoes]

Yes. That is why I said it was a problem with Society. Our views/priorities are all skewed and backwards. A perfect example: a fan thinks nothing of spending hundreds, if not thousands on sports memorabilia, tickets or whatever. When the local school asks for $20 so the kids can have pencils, paper and whatever else they are outraged. This is why sports figures make millions and your teachers beg for money. The problem isn't the system(s), the problem is the 'fan' and the priorities of that 'fan'.

That's not really my point though. Sports serve as an entity to unite people, however we do not use sports for that. Greed and selfishness (for success) separates people instead. And the only thing people really get from it is bragging rights "my team is better than your team".

My point is that [insert player name here] is one individual against a sea (usually millions) of 'fanatics'. The only thing [insert player name here] can do is try his best and be the best himself that he can. I am pretty sure Antonio Brown is being the best Antonio Brown he can. I would say that everything over this past year is the result of mounting frustrations he probably has not talked to anyone about because he probably doesn't even really know why.

Silly mistakes like the facebook video. It was a simple mistake. He was just celebrating his joy with others.

It wasn't good enough though because he made a mistake other people wanted to pretend was serious. Millions of people were mad, calling him an idiot, selfish, cancer, diva and so on. Millions. You have no idea what kind of pressure that is.

And mother fuckers just keep piling it on day after day after day after day. He probably doesn't feel like he can do a single thing right anymore no matter how well be behaves because millions are only able to point out the make-believe mistakes to a make-believe game.

He broke and you broke him.

He isn't selfish. You are.

I get there are problems with society but this is a football forum, not a therapy session. AB has enough family, friends, and money to get all the help he needs.

[lipps83]

I get there are problems with society but this is a football forum, not a therapy session. AB has enough family, friends, and money to get all the help he needs.

Some of the most successful people are the loneliest. How many people do you think that surround him love him because he is a good person, with a good heart and good intentions? I bet there are way more people around him because he is "Antonio Brown Football Superstar" and he knows this. A lot of successful people will tell you that it sucks. Most people around them are interested in what they can get from them rather than what they have to give to them. I am not saying this is AB's case here, I am just generalizing.

This is a football forum. I just think that it is important for some to know when the pot is calling the kettle black.

Every single person calling anyone selfish, cancer, diva or whatever else for that person just being their self, is guilty of that very same thing. Especially if they don't know why someone is acting a certain way. You are trying to shame them into a behavior that supports your world view.

So why do you want AB off the team?

Because you are selfish.

[Shoes]

Some of the most successful people are the loneliest. How many people do you think that surround him love him because he is a good person, with a good heart and good intentions? I bet there are way more people around him because he is "Antonio Brown Football Superstar" and he knows this. A lot of successful people will tell you that it sucks. Most people around them are interested in what they can get from them rather than what they have to give to them. I am not saying this is AB's case here, I am just generalizing.

This is a football forum. I just think that it is important for some to know when the pot is calling the kettle black.

Every single person calling anyone selfish, cancer, diva or whatever else for that person just being their self, is guilty of that very same thing. Especially if they don't know why someone is acting a certain way. You are trying to shame them into a behavior that supports your world view.

So why do you want AB off the team?

Because you are selfish.

Thank you Doctor Zorba. Send my meds via mail order pharmacy.

[zulater]

So Ben called and texted AB numerous times and there was no response.

I thought Ben called and texted LeVeon Bell numerous times upon his deadline to sign the franchise tag and there was also no response?

Interesting trend where 2 teammates and 2 of the best football players in the league will not return calls or texts of their QB and team leader. I wonder why?

You really hate Ben don't you. It reeks through in your virtual every post, that's why I didn't put it in the form of a question. You know who loves Ben? His lineman. Past and present, you never hear any of his lineman have anything but glowing praise for Ben as a teammate or person. Heath Miller and Brett Keisel remain close to Ben. So does Jerome Bettis. So if I'm judging on character reference, I'll take the guys who have Ben's back over the two petulant punks any-day. :coffee:

[zulater]

Thank you Doctor Zorba. Send my meds via mail order pharmacy.

LMAO!

Good response to a silly answer!

Honestly I think wanting him to remain ( which I do) is more of a selfish act than wanting him gone. He's a great player and adds value on the field if you can get him to keep his head out of his rear for the season. But as a human this is a guy who has proven himself to be an immature clown time and again. He's notoriously late to commitents, that's if he bothers to show at all. Is self agrandizing to the point that he put celebration penalties overteam concerns and often had his kicker kicking off from the 15 before the celebration rules changed. He's been known to defy coaches, shows petty jelously to teammates. Ask Ryan Clark, he has a long list! lol. He's a me first guy in a game that is team reliant.Your dime store head shrinking kit doesn't change the way the man chooses to behave and misbehave. Not calling him a gangster by any means Of course his careless tossing of furniture from a balacony could have resulted in tragedy. But to say he's an immature diva, punk is just logical conclusion based on excessive evidence . Would love nothing better than for him to tone it down some and self reflect to a better tommorow. But for now the things being said about him are quite valid.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Because you are selfish.

how did you get ahold of my first grade report card?

[lipps83]

Honestly I think wanting him to remain ( which I do) is more of a selfish act than wanting him gone. He's a great player and adds value on the field if you can get him to keep his head out of his rear for the season. But as a human this is a guy who has proven himself to be an immature clown time and again. He's notoriously late to commitents, that's if he bothers to show at all. Is self agrandizing to the point that he put celebration penalties overteam concerns and often had his kicker kicking off from the 15 before the celebration rules changed. He's been known to defy coaches, shows petty jelously to teammates. Ask Ryan Clark, he has a long list! lol. He's a me first guy in a game that is team reliant.Your dime store head shrinking kit doesn't change the way the man chooses to behave and misbehave. Not calling him a gangster by any means Of course his careless tossing of furniture from a balacony could have resulted in tragedy. But to say he's an immature diva, punk is just logical conclusion based on excessive evidence . Would love nothing better than for him to tone it down some and self reflect to a better tommorow. But for now the things being said about him are quite valid.

He does those detrimental things exactly because he has been able to get away with it. Sure, some want to point the finger at Tomlin and his control of the team, but this is a social issue, not just a team issue. People and society put superstars (not just in sports) on these pedestals where they are treated like they are bigger than life. So these 'superstars' automatically are going to portray that because that is what everyone is telling them that they are. It is only when the opportunities they have been given go too far does anyone stop and say "hey wait, that is going too far".

So you (collectively) create a situation where you want these people to be larger than life because you are entertained by them, so they believe they are this thing that you (collectively) made them out to be. Then you (collectively) act shocked when they take advantage of certain situations.

The problem isn't them.

[NCSteeler]

This team is a dumpster fire right now. I'd take the hit and trade him now in hopes that the team can come back together early next season if they let this brew all off-season it'll be a crap show. Other players are tweeting things that make it sound like they are ready to move on from this BS.

Brown has been a head case for whatever reason since last off-season.

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[DesertSteel]

You really hate Ben don't you. It reeks through in your virtual every post, that's why I didn't put it in the form of a question. You know who loves Ben? His lineman. Past and present, you never hear any of his lineman have anything but glowing praise for Ben as a teammate or person. Heath Miller and Brett Keisel remain close to Ben. So does Jerome Bettis. So if I'm judging on character reference, I'll take the guys who have Ben's back over the two petulant punks any-day. :coffee:
Sounds like you hate AB and Bell. Does that make you a better person than someone who hates Ben?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

but once Hannibal Lechter started eating his own team mates he would be shown the door in short order

Depends if he was eating a UDFA or a 1st round pick with upside.

The team would likely release the UDFA. The 1st round pick the would put on the PUP list.

[AtlantaDan]

You don't understand (also why would you remove your post?)

I thought better of having posted my opinion you are sanctimonious and saw no upside in swapping insults with someone who sees me as a cancer by getting into a point/counterpoint.

Happy New Year

:drink:

[zulater]

He does those detrimental things exactly because he has been able to get away with it. Sure, some want to point the finger at Tomlin and his control of the team, but this is a social issue, not just a team issue. People and society put superstars (not just in sports) on these pedestals where they are treated like they are bigger than life. So these 'superstars' automatically are going to portray that because that is what everyone is telling them that they are. It is only when the opportunities they have been given go too far does anyone stop and say "hey wait, that is going too far".

So you (collectively) create a situation where you want these people to be larger than life because you are entertained by them, so they believe they are this thing that you (collectively) made them out to be. Then you (collectively) act shocked when they take advantage of certain situations.

The problem isn't them.

Actually it is. Most don't fall into the trap. At some point you have to grip reality and acknowledge your farts stink the same as everyone else and the same that they did before you got wealth and fame. Bottom line it's his responsibility to measure up to being a man. On and off the field.

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Sounds like you hate AB and Bell. Does that make you a better person than someone who hates Ben?

I don't like what they did to this team this year. Period. Do you?

[DesertSteel]

I don't like what they did to this team this year. Period. Do you?
I really never cared for Bell much and AB I kind of tolerate because he’s a WR. Sometimes I don’t like Ben either. I wanted him cut when he was going through the college girl phase. That said, I don’t hate any of them. I’d like to think I have a bigger picture of life than that.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

You really hate Ben don't you. It reeks through in your virtual every post, that's why I didn't put it in the form of a question. You know who loves Ben? His lineman. Past and present, you never hear any of his lineman have anything but glowing praise for Ben as a teammate or person. Heath Miller and Brett Keisel remain close to Ben. So does Jerome Bettis. So if I'm judging on character reference, I'll take the guys who have Ben's back over the two petulant punks any-day. :coffee:

Would I have purchased my son a #7 jersey if I hated Ben?
Would I have a Roethlisberger mini statue (McFarlane NFL licensed model) above my TV if I hated Ben?

I don't hate Ben. I just see football players objectively as the people they are and am not jaded by the jersey they wear, if its my favorite team or not.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

That said, I don’t hate any of them. I’d like to think I have a bigger picture of life than that.

Hey man, I always knew I liked you for some reason. :hatsoff: Got more going on in life that doesn't require you to hate on pro athletes that you have no actually connection to and wish them ill will??

Happy 2019.

[AtlantaDan]

While I have regarded AB to have been selfish, I may have to reconsider after AB apparently decided to purchase a gift for Jerry Rice :rolleyes:

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[teegre]

While I have regarded AB to have been selfish, I may have to reconsider after AB apparently decided to purchase a gift for Jerry Rice :rolleyes:

1080017301863202816

He also got a stuffed G.O.A.T for Christmas...

[zulater]

The only football player I hate is Pacman Jones. That's because he ordered a hit by one of his posse on a bouncer who only was doing his job. As a result of that a man lives in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. I'm not real fond of Vontaze Burfict either because I believe he plays with intent to injure.

I always liked Bell until this year. I respect his right to make the decisions concerning his career that he did. But the misleading of his teammates and his team bothers me. If he had shown up at any point I can't help but think this team would have gotten that one more win they needed.

As far as AB goes. I don't dislike him. But I used to like him a lot. But with his continued antics I'm finding it harder and harder to like him.

As far as Ben goes. Yes he can be a drama queen at times. At other times I find myself cringing as he says something that probably best be left unsaid. As far as his "college girl phase". I can't say for sure but to me uncharged let lone never convicted buys him the benefit of the doubt as to abhorrent behavior. Granted he went through an asshole phase. But he seems to have settled down and become a good, citizen, teammate, husband, father and son since getting through that time. So in the end I just relax and enjoy the quality of quarterbacking he was brought to my favorite team. Just as is the case with his personality his game isn't without warts. And while sometimes I wish he would be a little more cerebral like Brady. All in all I still love his game and wouldn't change him for anyone the past 15 years. :drink:

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[fansince'76]

While I have regarded AB to have been selfish, I may have to reconsider after AB apparently decided to purchase a gift for Jerry Rice :rolleyes:

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Kind of a sinister-looking goat. :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

but once Hannibal Lechter started eating his own team mates he would be shown the door in short order

Not if he only ate backups and practice squad guys while eating opposing starters.

[Dwinsgames]

Antonio is a bit immature err premature ..... Considering he wants traded , he could end up in WR purgatory and never see any real production again ............

[86WARD]

Antonio is a bit immature err premature ..... Considering he wants traded , he could end up in WR purgatory and never see any real production again ............

He doesn’t want to be traded is the “latest”.

[GoSlash27]

sorry lipps83, but I'm buying 0% of that argument. Antonio Brown is solely responsible for his own behavior. And no, *of course* I have never been belligerent towards a fan of another team.

[Dwinsgames]

Antonio Brown is solely responsible for his own behavior..

this x1000

[lipps83]

sorry lipps83, but I'm buying 0% of that argument. Antonio Brown is solely responsible for his own behavior. And no, *of course* I have never been belligerent towards a fan of another team.

I never said that he wasn't. I said that because of the social status given to him as a 'superstar', he is merely doing the types of things he has always been allowed to get away with given the imaginary status that SOCIETY as a whole has created, and he is pushing those boundaries. It is only more prevalent now because "he is taking things too far".

For example, the first time he missed or was late to a commitment and was told it is okay, from that point forward the behavior is found to be acceptable to an extent. The second time it is found to be acceptable only reinforces to him that there is no real issue with his behavior because socially he is "Antonio Brown Football Superstar".

Don't think that fans are somehow exempt from how these people act. Fans help to create them with the dollars they spend, the instagram likes, buying endorsed products and so on. And we all know negative publicity is still publicity. I don't think he necessarily wants the negative publicity, but for for the last few years every great game he has is overshadowed by some of the most ridiculous news stories that he can't win. For every one story for how great he played against the Saints, there is 20 about his frown on the sideline when they lost. Was he mad at Ben? Was he mad that he didn't get 200 yards? Maybe he just has RBF? That shit is so stupid. That doesn't even begin to get into the news stories about every other stupid thing people generate to continue to knock him down.

No matter what he does he can't win. Nobody wants to talk about what he is good at anymore no matter how well he performs, they just want to talk about what he isn't good at. Most are directed at him as insults and character assassinations. He is a cancer, diva, selfish or whatever. Just on this forum over the past year, nobody really talks about how well he has played. It is all negative and disposable chatter.

He has millions of people trying to knock him down and a much smaller percentage of that try to build him back up.

Who wants to live that way?

As far as that ring goes, is it gross and in bad taste? To an extent, I personally feel that it is and I certainly wouldn't do something like that. However, him and I are not the same person so for him it works. It is something he did for himself for his own reasons. He doesn't have to justify that to anyone. I don't have to understand it and I am certainly not going to say he is an idiot for buying that, because that isn't true. Personal goals, values and morals are arbitrary. Not a single person has been hurt in any way, shape or form so who really cares if he bought a G.O.A.T. ring?

You are, collectively, trying to shame and guilt someone into altering their behavior to suit what you think their behavior should be like.

[GoSlash27]

Nope.

There are plenty of players who have been elevated to superstar status on this team who have not turned into world class a-holes. The fame and fortune is not what makes people like AB become what they are. It's their ego and character... or rather lack thereof.

[zulater]

Nope.

There are plenty of players who have been elevated to superstar status on this team who have not turned into world class a-holes. The fame and fortune is not what makes people like AB become what they are. It's their ego and character... or rather lack thereof.

Spot on! Hopefully it's not too late for him to gain a little humility and perspective and make positive changes going forward.

[lipps83]

There are plenty of players who have been elevated to superstar status on this team who have not turned into world class a-holes. The fame and fortune is not what makes people like AB become what they are. It's their ego and character... or rather lack thereof.

You are exactly right, however that doesn't change a thing that I have said. It isn't either/or, think of it as both/and.

I am pretty sure no one will deny that 'superstars' are given some leeway in certain areas of how they conduct themselves. Socially/economically/judicially they are given this leeway and then people want to act shocked when 'superstars' take advantage of it. James Harrison was a beneficiary of that same treatment after he physically assaulted his girlfriend.

This is what Dan Rooney had to say on that matter:

"What Jimmy Harrison was doing and how the incident occurred, what he was trying to do was really well worth it," he said of Mr. Harrison's initial intent with his son. "He was doing something that was good, wanted to take his son to get baptized where he lived and things like that. She said she didn't want to do it."

Mr. Rooney was implying that the physical assault was justified because "his girlfriend didn't want to do what James wanted her to". If that doesn't make your skin crawl.....

I am not trying to correlate what Harrison did to what Brown is doing. Those two things aren't even in the same ballpark.

Antonio Brown has an ego. Over the years it has been given an ample amount of space to amplify. He has merely taken advantage of the opportunities given to him by everyone else and slowly over the years as his ego grown, his detractors have also grown. He conducts himself in a very grandiose manner and a lot of people just don't like it. He has never actually hurt anyone or anything, he just outlandish.

There isn't a single thing he has ever done that you can call wrong without you passing personal judgment. There are only things he has done that you don't agree with. Your not agreeing with them does not make you right, you only think that it does.

None of this means that I condone what he has done or is doing.

[slippy]

could somebody please show Antonio Brown his stats when mike vick was his QB.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Antonio Brown has an ego. Over the years it has been given an ample amount of space to amplify. He has merely taken advantage of the opportunities given to him by everyone else and slowly over the years as his ego grown, his detractors have also grown. He conducts himself in a very grandiose manner and a lot of people just don't like it. He has never actually hurt anyone or anything, he just outlandish.


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Yup, its just sad that he went from a late round pick that was grinding to make the team, then grinding to be the best, now quitting on his teammates that were grinding to try and make the playoffs.

[teegre]

The day that the Steelers moved on from Rod Woodson told me that the Steelers will move on from anybody.

[tube517]

The day that the Steelers moved on from Rod Woodson told me that the Steelers will move on from anybody.

Well, hey they moved on from Johnny Unitas :noidea: :chuckle:

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

The day that the Steelers moved on from Rod Woodson told me that the Steelers will move on from anybody. They moved on from him because they thought he didn't have it no more. Guess they didn't figure moving him to safety. Steelers don't have a problem moving on from players that they think their skills have diminished. AB is another story since his skills are still intact. Of course they did move on from Santanio Holmes because of his drama.

[teegre]

They moved on from him because they thought he didn't have it no more. Guess they didn't figure moving him to safety. Steelers don't have a problem moving on from players that they think their skills have diminished. AB is another story since his skills are still intact. Of course they did move on from Santanio Holmes because of his drama.

Close.

Cowher begged Woodson to switch to FS. Woodson would have nothing of it. Woodson thought he could still play CB... and so, Woodson left to play CB elsewhere.

(When Woodson switched to FS two seasons later, it was like salt in the wound.)

MY POINT:
Cowher loved Woodson. The Rooneys loved Woodson. The fans loved Woodson. And, Woodson loved being a Steeler. He was a good guy, a model citizen, and a fantastic lockerroom guy. Yet... (dramatic pause)... the Steelers moves on from him.

[zulater]

They moved on from Mike Webster and Franco Harris.