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Six Rings
12-29-2018, 09:46 AM
Drum roll please....


1 ) 3-6 in his last nine playoffs game with the last two wins coming over a backup QB in Matt Moore on the Dolphins and the Bengals who self-destructed with penalties late. His winning percentage in the playoffs from coaches that won a Super Bowl is 22nd out of 25th.


2 ) Losing to teams .500 and below too often. Very frustrating, and it cost us seeding when we make the playoffs. We saw it this year to Oakland and Denver. Chuck Noll was 50-1 vs .500 and below teams during his super bowl run. Tomlin more than other winning coaches loses more often to .500 and below teams.


3 ) Poor clock management. Tomlin does not have a clue, and often burns seconds off the clock when he should be saving them for the offense. He has refused a clock management coach.


4 ) Poor Judgment on the red flag. Is it that hard? We all see the replay. Yet Tomlin is 0 for his last 10. This cost us a timeout and deflates the spirit of the team. 4 for 10, okay. 0-10, you don't know what you are doing.


5 ) Situational football. Tomlin doesn't understand it. I've seen 2 Defensive linemen in goal line ( Vs 5 offensive lineman ) and our slower inside linebackers covering a wide receiver. Can you say mismatch? This is what the other team wants.


6 ) Critical mistakes on when to go for it, and what play to use. We all saw the Jacksonville playoff debacle with the early onside kick. Last week we saw a 4th and 5 fake punt asking our fullback ( Nix ) to pick up 5 yards on our side of the field. The chance of that play working is low at that distance. Why not just let Ben go 5 wide and do what he does?


7 ) Players respect. Tomlin had different rules for different players. Some could play locker room games, others could not. This divides a team. He changed these rules. His stance on the national anthem calling for team unity hurt nearly half the team who voted and wanted to be on the field. This is football, not politics, and you should not force anyone's to conform to a belief..yet Tomlin did and I believe lost a few players respect on that day. Politics is a 3rd rail for coaches, stay away, don't host a fund raiser for in your house for a person running for president in these political charged times. We lost to a bad Bears team that day, and Ben said it was a distraction. Tomlin also seems to have too many divas's. Bell, Bryant, Brown, to name a few. While two are gone, teams with too many divas's do not win super bowls. How does New England, or the NY Giants when they won super bowls deal with these type of players? Answer they either conform or they are gone. Tomlin has team leaders using social media to give up intel or take shots. Yes-its that bad, and even a good team guy like Pouncey has done this.


8 ) What is his value add? He doesn't call plays. I see very little sideline coaching. When he is active he's often arguing with an official, much to the team's detriment. A top head coach takes a part of the game and specializes in it.


9 ) He's been here long enough. The Houston Oilers fired a then 11-5 Bum Phillips for not getting it done in the playoffs. The NFL has changed, but old coaches seldom do. I can't recall one head coach who won a super bowl and did so ten years later. And yes, Tomlin won his super bowl very early with a stacked team and Bill Cowher's players, just like Barry Switzer took over a loaded Dallas team and did the same for the Dallas Cowboys.


10 ) Lack of player development. As a former DB coach, why has Burns and Davis declined? In fact, many drafted DB's in rounds 2-4 like Cortez Allen, Curtis Brown, S Golson, and S Thomas did not pan out. Will Burns and Davis be joining them soon? Our best DB's two DB's are a veteran free agent ( Haden ) or rookie free agent finds. ( Hilton )

11 ) Terrible hiring of assistant coaches. Todd Haley? Kevin Butler? Porter? Fall guy types, yes? I say look who hired them.

12 ) A complete lack of X and O knowledge with what he says are no real half time adjustments.

13 ) Often too loyal to weak link veterans and tardy to promoter you're talent.

14 ) Too many penalties.

15 ) Legenardy past Steelers calling him out from multiple generations. What other head coach has this?


Here we are with one game in the season left, and we need help from the Browns. A very mediocre team in the Tennessee Titans is ahead of us, and so are the Baltimore Ravens with a rookie QB. Their coaches are working well with what they have. Tomlin continues to underachieve with his. A head coach's job is to prepare his team, put them in the best positions to win, and keep them focused. Sorry, I don't see that. With many Steeler minority owners wanting Tomlin out, you have to assume some players to too.

In closing Art Rooney Jr must ask himself, is he okay with 8-8 to 13-3 type of seasons with disappoint playoff losses,and being upset by 2-3 bad teams along the way - OR - would he want to add to the Steeler legacy like his Dad did and win another super bowl. We've seen this movie for years and know how it ends. That is the $64,000 question for Art.

Dwinsgames
12-29-2018, 10:06 AM
Keith Butler

BlackAndGold
12-29-2018, 10:15 AM
One thing, Art Rooney was the one who hired Haley/Butler

DesertSteel
12-29-2018, 10:16 AM
#FireMikeTomlin*

*It will never happen -- he has a lifetime contract

st33lersguy
12-29-2018, 10:58 AM
Totally agree. He is clueless. He is all talk and no substance.

Mach1
12-29-2018, 01:05 PM
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Shoes
12-29-2018, 01:15 PM
#FireMikeTomlin*

*It will never happen -- he has a lifetime contract

Yep, Rooney is more concerned about what the sports media will say since Tomlin is the darling of that media. So let the ship sink Art.

#lasttwomembersofthetitanicorchastra

DesertSteel
12-29-2018, 01:57 PM
I'm hopeful that Mason Rudolph can be the man in 2-3 years or otherwise the Steelers will turn into the Browns.

Craic
12-29-2018, 01:57 PM
How many threads do we need with the same topic?

teegre
12-29-2018, 02:05 PM
How many threads do we need with the same topic?

More than “Le’Veon Bell” threads... but, less than “Mike Wallace” threads.

Shoes
12-29-2018, 02:05 PM
How many threads do we need with the same topic?

You haven't seen anything Preach, tomorrow the off-season starts. :chuckle:

Edman
12-29-2018, 02:10 PM
He has consistently done less with more.

Mike Tomlin is the Dan Bylsma of the NFL. The Steelers will not win anything with him as long as he's here.

Since he's here until 2020, I can safely write off 2019 and 2020 seasons as washouts.

Dwinsgames
12-29-2018, 04:12 PM
More than “Le’Veon Bell” threads... but, less than “Mike Wallace” threads.


I think Tomlin might Jump better than Wallace though

hawaiiansteeler
12-29-2018, 04:24 PM
I think Tomlin might Jump better than Wallace though

Mike Wallace wasn't paid to jump...

Dwinsgames
12-29-2018, 04:49 PM
LMAO

GoSlash27
12-29-2018, 05:25 PM
I'm hopeful that Mason Rudolph can be the man in 2-3 years or otherwise the Steelers will turn into the Browns.

The surest way for the Steelers to turn into the Browns is for the ownership to pay heed to the "suggestions" of overreacting fans on the internet and start firing everyone. :coffee:

The Bark
12-29-2018, 05:31 PM
He has consistently done less with more.

Mike Tomlin is the Dan Bylsma of the NFL. The Steelers will not win anything with him as long as he's here.

Since he's here until 2020, I can safely write off 2019 and 2020 seasons as washouts.

Was thinking the same thing watching the Pens/Red Wings game the other night with Byslma on the Detroit bench. Both are way too stubborn to initiate change when the game plan is clearly not working right. Oh wait, my bad. When the players aren't executing to that plan.

hawaiiansteeler
12-29-2018, 05:42 PM
The surest way for the Steelers to turn into the Browns is for the ownership to pay heed to the "suggestions" of overreacting fans on the internet and start firing everyone. :coffee:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/0d/a0/850da05ca7e4bf479f4f54fe18aebf8e.jpg

DesertSteel
12-29-2018, 06:12 PM
The surest way for the Steelers to turn into the Browns is for the ownership to pay heed to the "suggestions" of overreacting fans on the internet and start firing everyone. :coffee:
Well, the idea that a coach should never be fired is asinine. I’m just glad they didn’t hire Jeff Fisher when Cowher retired!

teegre
12-29-2018, 06:46 PM
I’m not for firing Mike Tomlin. I think he’s had a bad string of luck.

But...

Josh Heupel intrigues me.

hawaiiansteeler
12-29-2018, 06:53 PM
I’m not for firing Mike Tomlin. I think he’s had a bad string of luck.

But...

Josh Heupel intrigues me.

didn't he just receive a 6 year contract extension?

GoSlash27
12-29-2018, 06:56 PM
Well, the idea that a coach should never be fired is asinine. I’m just glad they didn’t hire Jeff Fisher when Cowher retired!

No, the idea that coaches should be fired every time overreacting fans throw a tantrum is what's asinine. The idea that you know better than the FO when it comes to what's best for this team is what's asinine. The idea of firing one of the most successful HCs in the history of the league because he didn't happen to dominate 31 other professional organizations this year is what's asinine.

Thank God they don't listen to the whiny, childish fans every time they don't win a superbowl, or they really *would* be just like the Browns.

teegre
12-29-2018, 06:56 PM
didn't he just receive a 6 year contract extension?

Perfect!!! Tomlin will win 5 of the next 6 Lombardis... and, that one “failed” season will make the transition to Heupel more palatable for everyone.

hawaiiansteeler
12-29-2018, 06:58 PM
Perfect!!! Tomlin will win 5 of the next 6 Lombardis... and, that one “failed” season will make the transition to Heupel more palatable for everyone.

that means Ben will have to keep playing another 6 years then because no way does Tomlin win a Super Bowl without one of Cowher's players!

teegre
12-29-2018, 07:05 PM
that means Ben will have to keep playing another 6 years then because no way does Tomlin win a Super Bowl without one of Cowher's players!

:toofunny:

Ben wins one, then retires.

Dobbs wins two, then signs as a FA with Washington.

Rudolph wins two, then loses in the AFCCG... and, Pittsburgh calls for his head.

pczach
12-29-2018, 07:23 PM
:toofunny:

Ben wins one, then retires.

Dobbs wins two, then signs as a FA with Washington.

Rudolph wins two, then loses in the AFCCG... and, Pittsburgh calls for his head.



Luckily, they have a very patient and football savvy fan base.....

smokin3000gt
12-29-2018, 09:35 PM
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This can't be true.. you just fire your coach, pick a new one up that looks good then *BAM!* championship... That's why there are so many SB champs every year

86WARD
12-30-2018, 12:24 AM
I'm hopeful that Mason Rudolph can be the man in 2-3 years or otherwise the Steelers will turn into the Browns.

It’s already trending that way and if the coaching staff stays the same as it is now, the Browns will have a better record than the Steelers in 2019. Guaranteed.

GoSlash27
12-30-2018, 12:28 AM
This can't be true.. you just fire your coach, pick a new one up that looks good then *BAM!* championship... That's why there are so many SB champs every year

It's been a winning formula for the Browns all these years :D But to be *really* effective, you have to also fire the GM and QB.

Shoes
12-30-2018, 01:35 AM
It’s already trending that way and if the coaching staff stays the same as it is now, the Browns will have a better record than the Steelers in 2019. Guaranteed.

Agreed! Pretty sad when the Steelers are begging for a Browns win, absolutely immune to embarrassment.

Craic
12-30-2018, 02:00 AM
It’s already trending that way and if the coaching staff stays the same as it is now, the Browns will have a better record than the Steelers in 2019. Guaranteed.

And? Right now, the Browns are a team on the rise. I suspect that with the right coach they will be a playoff teem for the foreseeable future (if they're players don't get stupid and get suspended or if they don't start demanding trades).

I swear, the Steelers fanbase is the only one I know of that has seen their team in the playoffs in the previous four years, and six out of the last eight, including two divisionals, a AFCCG and a SB. and AFCCG among them, and still demanding for a coaching change. The chances of us turning into the Browns by staying with Tomlin is minute compared with our chance of turning into the Browns by firing him and taking the risk of trying to have lightning strike again a fourth time with a fourth coach.

Oh, and for those keeping tally . . . (General comments, not responding to you directly, 86Ward from hereon)

Cowher went to the playoffs six times in his first six years and lost a SB. He did that with Noll's players including Lake, Lloyd, Woodson, Olsalvsky, Foster, Hoge, Dawson, O'Donnell, and Green. And before anyone jumps on O'Donnell, it was Cowher who chose to devalue the position. Then, he went three years without making the playoffs and then lost a AFCG and a divisional game, then missed the playoffs the following year again.

What's my point? Cowher and Tomlin are running right along at about the same clip. I'd like to see how that record compares with any other NFL coach. There's just a handful that may be better than those. And yet people want to toss him overboard for . . . Munch? A person who has only ever been good in one coaching position, the one he currently has. A college coach that has definitely said he is not leaving his program right now?

No, the problem is AR handing the DC position to Butler. Period. We'd even overcome our ST gaffs with a better DC. But yeah, let's blow the whole thing up and start over. I mean, it's so easy to do. Right?

Six Rings
12-30-2018, 05:55 AM
One thing, Art Rooney was the one who hired Haley/Butler

I thought Rooney promoted him after being the linebackers coach for over a decade. If Rooney did hire and promote, at least it shows he's smart enough not to trust Tomlin on such things.

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I think Tomlin might Jump better than Wallace though

At least Wallace was a one trick pony. Tomlin's trick is he interviews well.

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This can't be true.. you just fire your coach, pick a new one up that looks good then *BAM!* championship... That's why there are so many SB champs every year

It worked just fine with Tampa and John Gruden.

86WARD
12-30-2018, 06:33 AM
And? Right now, the Browns are a team on the rise. I suspect that with the right coach they will be a playoff teem for the foreseeable future (if they're players don't get stupid and get suspended or if they don't start demanding trades).

I swear, the Steelers fanbase is the only one I know of that has seen their team in the playoffs in the previous four years, and six out of the last eight, including two divisionals, a AFCCG and a SB. and AFCCG among them, and still demanding for a coaching change. The chances of us turning into the Browns by staying with Tomlin is minute compared with our chance of turning into the Browns by firing him and taking the risk of trying to have lightning strike again a fourth time with a fourth coach.

Oh, and for those keeping tally . . . (General comments, not responding to you directly, 86Ward from hereon)

Cowher went to the playoffs six times in his first six years and lost a SB. He did that with Noll's players including Lake, Lloyd, Woodson, Olsalvsky, Foster, Hoge, Dawson, O'Donnell, and Green. And before anyone jumps on O'Donnell, it was Cowher who chose to devalue the position. Then, he went three years without making the playoffs and then lost a AFCG and a divisional game, then missed the playoffs the following year again.

What's my point? Cowher and Tomlin are running right along at about the same clip. I'd like to see how that record compares with any other NFL coach. There's just a handful that may be better than those. And yet people want to toss him overboard for . . . Munch? A person who has only ever been good in one coaching position, the one he currently has. A college coach that has definitely said he is not leaving his program right now?

No, the problem is AR handing the DC position to Butler. Period. We'd even overcome our ST gaffs with a better DC. But yeah, let's blow the whole thing up and start over. I mean, it's so easy to do. Right?

My point is simply if all things stayed same from 2018-19 with the coaching staffs, the. Downs would have a better record than the Steelers. If Baker Mayfield starts opening day, I’m confident Cleveland wins that game and they are in a win and your in game against the Ravens and the Steelers are sitting here in a meaningless game against the Bengals.

I’m not one that has come out and wanted Tomlin fired. I’ve said several times that he needs another season or two. However, Butler and Smith HAVE to go and if they stay, well then Tomlin is making his own bed and another season like this in 2019 and everyone not named Munchak would be sent packing...

Michael
12-31-2018, 05:47 AM
Totally agree. He is clueless. He is all talk and no substance.

I totally agree. What really has me disgusted is that I think he is ranges from an extreme bull shitter to being simply dishonest. When I watched games this year I sat on edge waiting for Tomlin to do something stupid. This man has fooled so many people.