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teegre
10-14-2018, 10:24 PM
The Cardinals are purging their roster.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cardinals-open-to-discussing-a-potential-patrick-peterson-trade-willing-to-reshape-roster/

I’d be willing to give up a LOT to pair Patrick Peterson with Joe Haden. How much? R1 & R2.



(The Eagles are the other team rumored to be interested in acquiring him.)

43Hitman
10-14-2018, 10:33 PM
A R1 and a R2 is a pretty steep price for a 28 year old CB. Even if is elite. I don't see the Steelers giving that much up. But you never know.

teegre
10-14-2018, 10:37 PM
A R1 and a R2 is a pretty steep price for a 28 year old CB. Even if is elite. I don't see the Steelers giving that much up. But you never know.

Here are three reasons that I would trade a R1 without blinking:
1. Artie Burns
2. Bud Dupree
3. Jarvis Jones

So, essentially, you’d be trading a R2 for Peterson.

#donedealIMO

Devilsdancefloor
10-14-2018, 10:46 PM
make it happen! Throw in artie burns with the deal too:wink02:

43Hitman
10-14-2018, 10:55 PM
Here are three reasons that I would trade a R1 without blinking:
1. Artie Burns
2. Bud Dupree
3. Jarvis Jones

So, essentially, you’d be trading a R2 for Peterson.

#donedealIMO

Okay when you put it that way, it sounds better. Perhaps just a one and Burns.

Steeldude
10-14-2018, 10:57 PM
Give them Dupree and Burns

Craic
10-14-2018, 11:08 PM
If that did happen, I don't think the Steelers even make an offer to Le'Veon next year (and yes, don't kid yourselves, they're going to make an offer otherwise). This would be Le'Veon's future money. Of course, there's also the 8 million that comes off the books for Shazier, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is designated for resigning other players and perhaps, making a FA signing at LB if one were there.

BlackAndGold
10-14-2018, 11:16 PM
One of the rare corners left that travels with the opposing teams #1 WR.

I don't really trust La Canfora but I could see them dangling Peterson. At the same time kinda sounds crazy to trade a #1 corner in his prime who is happy with the team.

Mojouw
10-15-2018, 12:00 AM
If the Steelers are plotting a major player acquisition for the 2018 season it is almost certainly going to happen this week going into the bye. It would be the best and potentially only opportunity to fold a new player into a major role.

Picking over the Cardinals roster for parts is an attractive idea, but it is well out of character for Colbert and Tomlin.

Fire Goodell
10-15-2018, 12:57 AM
I can dig it

teegre
10-15-2018, 06:48 AM
One of the rare corners left that travels with the opposing teams #1 WR.

I don't really trust La Canfora but I could see them dangling Peterson. At the same time kinda sounds crazy to trade a #1 corner in his prime who is happy with the team.

La Confora is only about 40-50% accurate.

That said, when it comes to the Steelers, he is actually about 80-90% accurate. (I’m not sure why that is.)

DesertSteel
10-15-2018, 11:10 AM
If that did happen, I don't think the Steelers even make an offer to Le'Veon next year (and yes, don't kid yourselves, they're going to make an offer otherwise). This would be Le'Veon's future money. Of course, there's also the 8 million that comes off the books for Shazier, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is designated for resigning other players and perhaps, making a FA signing at LB if one were there.
There is a ZERO percent chance that they try to sign Bell next year.

polamalubeast
10-15-2018, 11:13 AM
There is a ZERO percent chance that they try to sign Bell next year.

This

With the way Conner plays and DeAngelo Williams played in 2015, no reason to sign Bell, since the steelers have proven that Bell can be replaced if our RB is above average

Craic
10-15-2018, 11:17 AM
There is a ZERO percent chance that they try to sign Bell next year.

We'll see. However, I'll almost guarantee an offer is made if we don't fill that money-spot with a trade. Especially, if Bell comes in, in shape, keeps his mouth shut, and puts in the work.

SteelMember
10-15-2018, 11:43 AM
Considering Burns development seems to have stagnated to nothing... I'm considering all options. Possibly even go a 2nd.
But the FO will probably stand pat subbing Sensabaugh or putting Sutton in the line of fire if Burnett ever decides to play a game again.

Mojouw
10-15-2018, 01:05 PM
Need to rope in a third team. For instance, this actually makes sense to me, but will never happen beccause NFL teams hate fun!

Send Bell to the Raiders for Amari Cooper and a pick, say a 3rd rounder.

Then send a 2 and Cooper to the Cardinals for Peterson. Offer to throw in a 3 if they include Reddick.

Raiders get an engine for their crappy offense. And off-load a guy they want rid of. Cards get rid of some guys they seem to have soured on and add a "weapon" for their young QB.

Steelers get a CB and an interesting tool to play around with on defense.

Shoes
10-15-2018, 01:19 PM
make it happen! Throw in artie burns with the deal too:wink02:


I'd throw Burns in for free!

Fire Goodell
10-15-2018, 01:21 PM
I'd throw Burns in for free!

It could be their compensatory 1st round bust

86WARD
10-15-2018, 02:46 PM
Peterson would be great! However it’s far out of the realm of a Steelers type move. Love to see it happen. Feel like there’s a 5% chance that it actually comes to fruition.

Bell ... gotta show up first.

BlackAndGold
10-15-2018, 04:41 PM
Was waiting to see today if any other Insider would have any report on this and unless I missed it, there hasn't been.

So I'm not believing PP is on the block, if he was it would be a huge payment. 19' 1st + 20' 2nd

teegre
10-15-2018, 08:58 PM
it would be a huge payment. 19' 1st + 20' 2nd

I’d pay that price in a heartbeat

DesertSteel
10-15-2018, 09:07 PM
Question is... is PP on the verge of a holdout due to his low salary ($10-12)? I've had enough of that.

polamalubeast
10-15-2018, 09:08 PM
The Cardinals plays on thuraday,so the steelers need to make the trade now if they want Peterson....

86WARD
10-15-2018, 09:10 PM
Why can’t they do it after a Thursday for next week?

polamalubeast
10-15-2018, 09:11 PM
Why can’t they do it after a Thursday for next week?

I don't think Peterson(or every players) want to play 17 regular season game!

st33lersguy
10-15-2018, 09:15 PM
Trading up in the draft for a high caliber player may be the better move. Peterson is 28 I think, a steep price to pay for a veteran with a big salary cap hit (and older one at that)

43Hitman
10-15-2018, 09:23 PM
I don't think Peterson(or every players) want to play 17 regular season game!

I doubt he would play the first week anyway.

86WARD
10-16-2018, 06:17 AM
Trading up in the draft for a high caliber player may be the better move. Peterson is 28 I think, a steep price to pay for a veteran with a big salary cap hit (and older one at that)

So they can draft another Artie Burns? No thanks. I’ll take the guaranteed talent for the next few seasons...

teegre
10-16-2018, 06:36 AM
Someone on Twitter posted a pic from AB’s Instagram trying to claim that is was “evidence” that Pittsburgh is a possible landing spot for Patrick Peterson.

AB posted a pick, asked the question, “we talkin teams?” to which PP simply replied, “Migos!!!”

Calling that “evidence” is a stretch... because, all of these players talk (via social media). That said, AB posting that question is indeed intriguing.

86WARD
10-16-2018, 06:39 AM
Someone on Twitter posted a pic from AB’s Instagram trying to claim that is was “evidence” that Pittsburgh is a possible landing spot for Patrick Peterson.

AB posted a pick, asked the question, “we talkin teams?” to which PP simply replied, “Migos!!!”

Calling that “evidence” is a stretch... because, all of these players talk (via social media). That said, AB posting that question is indeed intriguing.

I’ll take it as a sign of hope!!!

teegre
10-16-2018, 06:43 AM
I’ll take it as a sign of hope!!!

Exactly

AB extending a hand... is a small, small step. But heck, it’s taken less for a player to start talking to a new team.

polamalubeast
10-16-2018, 09:32 AM
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BlackAndGold
10-16-2018, 10:38 AM
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Yep, they would be crazy to trade a shutdown corner in his prime.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-16-2018, 10:38 AM
Here are three reasons that I would trade a R1 without blinking:
1. Artie Burns
2. Bud Dupree
3. Jarvis Jones

So, essentially, you’d be trading a R2 for Peterson.

#donedealIMO
Woah, what happened in the past few weeks? Not so long ago you were still touting Burns as young and improving, now he is in the lineup with the "bust perpetrators"? I get the Peterson would be a huge upgrade and I would be willing to give up a 2nd for him, but just wondering why the fall of on Burns support.

AtlantaDan
10-16-2018, 02:16 PM
what is the chance of them trading for peterson?

Ed Bouchette - Blutarsky, which in Animal House speak means 0.0

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/10/16/Ed-Bouchette-s-Steelers-chat-10-16-18/stories/201810160128

86WARD
10-16-2018, 03:20 PM
what is the chance of them trading for peterson?

Ed Bouchette - Blutarsky, which in Animal House speak means 0.0

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/10/16/Ed-Bouchette-s-Steelers-chat-10-16-18/stories/201810160128


Which means there’s a good chance...lol.

Mojouw
10-16-2018, 06:05 PM
Which means there’s a good chance...lol.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/930/865/5bf.jpg

Maybe it is the same chance that Edmunds gets drafted?

86WARD
10-16-2018, 08:28 PM
Lol.

teegre
10-18-2018, 07:14 AM
Which means there’s a good chance...lol.

:applaudit:

The Ed Bouchette Rule: For anything and everything that Ed says... believe the opposite.

teegre
10-18-2018, 07:29 AM
Woah, what happened in the past few weeks? Not so long ago you were still touting Burns as young and improving, now he is in the lineup with the "bust perpetrators"? I get the Peterson would be a huge upgrade and I would be willing to give up a 2nd for him, but just wondering why the fall of on Burns support.

Ike Taylor lost his way, and needed most of the 2006 season to regain his composure. Similarly, I think that Burns needs to sit for a good, long while.

Maybe it’s coaching. Because, Burns is already slow; adding in a DC who make strange play calls and/or has his players routinely confused as where to line up... isn’t helping.

In the meantime, if the Steelers can acquire the best (IMO) cornerback in the NFL, I’d be 100% for it. A draft pick would be cheaper; a draft pick would be younger; but, a draft pick is not a “sure” thing. Thus, give me the already-established All Pro.

polamalubeast
10-22-2018, 03:04 PM
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C'mon Colbert....

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If Antonio Brown was our GM for this situation.....

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teegre
10-22-2018, 08:49 PM
Pat Pete sent out a tweet that said:

@joehaden23 Yo

Rotorhead
10-22-2018, 09:20 PM
Ike Taylor lost his way, and needed most of the 2006 season to regain his composure. Similarly, I think that Burns needs to sit for a good, long while.

Maybe it’s coaching. Because, Burns is already slow; adding in a DC who make strange play calls and/or has his players routinely confused as where to line up... isn’t helping.

In the meantime, if the Steelers can acquire the best (IMO) cornerback in the NFL, I’d be 100% for it. A draft pick would be cheaper; a draft pick would be younger; but, a draft pick is not a “sure” thing. Thus, give me the already-established All Pro.

Not to mention, our SB window is closing, Peterson would shore up our def immediately, would help our pass rush (we either need a better rush or a better cover unit). I really wanted Mack, but this is just as good an option IMO

86WARD
10-22-2018, 09:21 PM
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C'mon Colbert....

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If Antonio Brown was our GM for this situation.....

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Would be nice...

pczach
10-22-2018, 09:50 PM
Pat Pete sent out a tweet that said:

@joehaden23 Yo



I could live with Haden and Peterson as the starting corners.

It would be a tough adjustment....but I'd get over it. :chuckle:

Fire Goodell
10-23-2018, 12:52 AM
I could live with Haden and Peterson as the starting corners.

It would be a tough adjustment....but I'd get over it. :chuckle:

I know right, I mean damn, what would we do without Artie Burns or Cody Sensabaugh? :chuckle:

Craic
10-23-2018, 01:18 AM
Pat Pete sent out a tweet that said:

@joehaden23 Yo

What I like is the idea of Burns sitting behind them and soaking up everything he can from them. It just might be what the young kid needs to get over the slump. Well, that or maybe sacrificing a live chicken.
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teegre
10-23-2018, 06:45 AM
Not to mention, our SB window is closing, Peterson would shore up our def immediately, would help our pass rush (we either need a better rush or a better cover unit). I really wanted Mack, but this is just as good an option IMO

:nod:

The Twitterverse is rife with people saying that Peterson “only” has three good years left. Okay. Our Super Bowl window with Ben is about that long. So... (as you agree)... why not go for broke???

Plus, as one (logical) Twitterite mentioned: “Three years of good CB play is better than zero* years.”


*(As others have asserted on here, a late-R1-round pick is not likely to become an All Pro; outliers aside, you almost need a top ten pick. Plus, while the Steelers are adept at drafting WRs, they are not nearly as good at drafting DBs.)

teegre
10-23-2018, 07:11 AM
What I like is the idea of Burns sitting behind them and soaking up everything he can from them. It just might be what the young kid needs to get over the slump. Well, that or maybe sacrificing a live chicken.
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“Are you sayin’ that Jesus Christ can’t intercept a football!?!”

SteelMember
10-23-2018, 09:28 AM
Word on the street (aka local sports talk radio) is he'd really like to go back to Stinky Town (aka New Orleans) :chuckle:

polamalubeast
10-23-2018, 09:39 AM
Word on the street (aka local sports talk radio) is he'd really like to go back to Stinky Town (aka New Orleans) :chuckle:

The saints don't have a first round pick in the next draft too.

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86WARD
10-23-2018, 10:02 AM
:nod:

The Twitterverse is rife with people saying that Peterson “only” has three good years left. Okay. Our Super Bowl window with Ben is about that long. So... (as you agree)... why not go for broke???

Plus, as one (logical) Twitterite mentioned: “Three years of good CB play is better than zero* years.”


*(As others have asserted on here, a late-R1-round pick is not likely to become an All Pro; outliers aside, you almost need a top ten pick. Plus, while the Steelers are adept at drafting WRs, they are not nearly as good at drafting DBs.)

I’m all in with three years and then retool mode. Get it done...

Anything that’s a first round pick or less should’ve been done yesterday. Amari Cooper pulls in a first round pick? Peterson or Bell should be three first round picks each...lol.

j-d-s
10-23-2018, 03:11 PM
I think we need to try to get Peterson right now, even for a first rounder. Our window to win a Lombardi is right now, Ben probably won't play for 5 years.

With Haden and Peterson at CB we would drastically improve our Defense, and we will need it when we play the Cheats or Chiefs in January or they'll drop 40 on us.

steelreserve
10-23-2018, 03:32 PM
A first-round pick for three years of All-Pro level play sure beats the hell out of a first-round pick for four years of crappy play, and no one else gets a chance at the position because "this is finally gonna be the year it all comes together for sure."

86WARD
10-23-2018, 03:46 PM
Good point you’re pretty much getting first round talent for 2.5 years...so really you’re giving up 2.5 years of a 5-year gamble? No brainer. If that’s the true cost, Pittsburgh should be offering that and Artie Burns.

Rotorhead
10-23-2018, 03:50 PM
Saints just traded for Eli Apple from the Giants, so they are most likely off the table

polamalubeast
10-23-2018, 03:57 PM
Good point you’re pretty much getting first round talent for 2.5 years...so really you’re giving up 2.5 years of a 5-year gamble? No brainer. If that’s the true cost, Pittsburgh should be offering that and Artie Burns.

I think that it will cost more that a first round pick....

Iron Steeler
10-23-2018, 04:16 PM
The Cardinals are purging their roster.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cardinals-open-to-discussing-a-potential-patrick-peterson-trade-willing-to-reshape-roster/

I’d be willing to give up a LOT to pair Patrick Peterson with Joe Haden. How much? R1 & R2.






(The Eagles are the other team rumored to be interested in acquiring him.)

YES i would give a 1st or a 2nd for him.

With Ben only have maybe 3 years left , I think I would be ok with the win now approach.

We usually whiff hard on DBs anyway so why not get a sure fire all pro for 2 3 years?

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A first-round pick for three years of All-Pro level play sure beats the hell out of a first-round pick for four years of crappy play, and no one else gets a chance at the position because "this is finally gonna be the year it all comes together for sure."


YESSSSSS THISSSSS :iagree:

Hound
10-23-2018, 04:24 PM
Bucs gave a 1st and a 4th for Revis

BlackAndGold
10-23-2018, 04:29 PM
Bucs gave a 1st and a 4th for Revis

Coming off an ACL tear also.

a PP trade would be a huge blockbuster. Two first round picks probably get the talks started.

Shoes
10-23-2018, 04:59 PM
Looks like the Eagles & Pats are sniffing per ESPN

http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/26263/patrick-peterson-and-other-trades-that-make-sense-for-the-eagles

steelcityboyz
10-23-2018, 05:17 PM
I hate those rat bastards.. Watch them fucking cheats pull off a deal and win another super bowl

86WARD
10-23-2018, 05:57 PM
Bucs gave a 1st and a 4th for Revis

He cane with an island though. I’d easily give that for Peterson with Artie thrown in.

86WARD
10-23-2018, 05:58 PM
Looks like the Eagles & Pats are sniffing per ESPN

http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/26263/patrick-peterson-and-other-trades-that-make-sense-for-the-eagles

I’d be willing to bet both of those teams would probably get him for less that the asking price. They always do. Steelers should just buck up and pay asking price. If Peterson does get moved and the Steelers weren’t close, it’s another “loss” in the season.

Shoes
10-23-2018, 06:31 PM
I’d be willing to bet both of those teams would probably get him for less that the asking price. They always do. Steelers should just buck up and pay asking price. If Peterson does get moved and the Steelers weren’t close, it’s another “loss” in the season.

Who needs Peterson when you have Burns.

ShoeHorn
10-23-2018, 06:34 PM
If he ends up going to the friggen cheats, the collective eyeroll of Steeer Nation will be palpable

Hound
10-23-2018, 06:58 PM
Per nfl rumor mill, Steelers, Eagles and patriots are looking at Gareon Conley and Janoris Jenkins

86WARD
10-23-2018, 07:21 PM
Who needs Peterson when you have Burns.

Touché

DesertSteel
10-23-2018, 08:03 PM
Who needs Peterson when you have Burns.


Torched

FTFY

BlackAndGold
10-23-2018, 08:10 PM
Per nfl rumor mill, Steelers, Eagles and patriots are looking at Gareon Conley and Janoris Jenkins

I'll pass on Jenkins and his contract. Seems like an easy name to throw out there since the Giants are in sale mode.

Conley is an interesting name. First round pick last year that played next to Marshon Lattimore at OSU and from what I remember he almost looked as good. Guess he has not put it together for the Raiders but that goes for the entire team.

DesertSteel
10-23-2018, 09:02 PM
I'll pass on Jenkins and his contract. Seems like an easy name to throw out there since the Giants are in sale mode.

Conley is an interesting name. First round pick last year that played next to Marshon Lattimore at OSU and from what I remember he almost looked as good. Guess he has not put it together for the Raiders but that goes for the entire team.
If I recall, he had a rape allegation right before the draft that dropped his stock.

teegre
10-23-2018, 09:22 PM
Jenkins ... meh

Conley ... eh

Peterson ... I’d sell a body part to acquire him!!!

ShoeHorn
10-23-2018, 09:42 PM
Jenkins ... meh

Conley ... eh

Peterson ... I’d sell a body part to acquire him!!!

Any of them are an improvement over that hack Burns.... but yea, Peterson, man that would be HUGE!!

st33lersguy
10-23-2018, 10:13 PM
Hard pass on Jenkins, he seems like he's on the downswing

Hard pass for Conley, he'll be shit on this coaching staff and with Butler as DC. Plus this team really doesn't need another Boykin/Gilbert

Butch
10-24-2018, 02:52 AM
i don't know Peterson, but if what yinz say about him is true, I would love to see us work out getting him and then let Bell walk, it's a win-win. Bell gets to play the rest of the season with a team that wants him and we get better on D. We get a quality player and get rid of the drama that is Bell, team gets a ton better and all sides walk away feeling good. I hope and pray the Steelers find a way to make it happen.

stillers4me
10-24-2018, 05:35 AM
First time I've seen the Steelers mentioned..............just not for Peterson....

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EzraTank
10-24-2018, 06:57 AM
Bucs gave a 1st and a 4th for Revis

DONE! Outside of Shazier our track record of using #1 picks on defense has sucked for the 10 years Tomlin has been here.

Hound
10-24-2018, 07:07 AM
I would be in on Jenkins, but not at his current contract. Also rumors of Chris Harris being shopped by the broncos. Harris reminds me of Hayden, can cover everyone well but AB

Craic
10-24-2018, 07:49 AM
DONE! Outside of Shazier our track record of using #1 picks on defense has sucked for the 10 years Tomlin has been here.

Wait, what? Going back to Tomlin's first pick (which was 11 years ago rather than 10), There's Timmons, Hood, Heyward, Jones, Shazier, Dupree, Burns, Watt, and Edmunds in the first round. Timmons, Heyward, Shazier, and Watt were all hits. Edmunds is too early to tell. So, that's a fifty percent success rate while never drafting higher than the fifteenth overall pick.

And, believe it or not, 50 percent means a team is successful in their first round picks. That is, 1 out of every 2 drafted players in the first round usually are good drafts. If I recall correctly, that moves to 1-3 for the second and third rounds, and then it goes down hill from there. So, no. Tomlin and co. are actually right on target for drafts. Our problem is that we've seen so many misses in one position. LB. And, it's hurt us.

EDIT: Perhaps the first (and only?) Madden article I've ever agreed with. https://triblive.com/sports/steelers/14206975-74/mark-madden-steelers-wont-get-patrick-peterson-and-probably-shouldnt-anyway

tube517
10-24-2018, 12:45 PM
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Shoes
10-24-2018, 12:50 PM
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Price to high for everyone?

Dwinsgames
10-24-2018, 12:52 PM
Price to high for everyone?


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Hound
10-24-2018, 01:02 PM
There are still possible trades out there for the Steelers. I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing what the Raiders want for Conley or what the Cardinals want for Reddick.

86WARD
10-24-2018, 01:02 PM
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He will wind up in NE...lol

tube517
10-24-2018, 01:54 PM
He will wind up in NE...lol

Yep

Craic
10-24-2018, 02:06 PM
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And with the next thought, you realize that could be the next Timmons, Pouncy, Heyward, Castro, Shazier, or T. J. Watt. And suddenly, you realize you're trading in 10-12 years for 4-6 with a high cap rate to go along with it.

polamalubeast
10-24-2018, 02:13 PM
The steelers have success in the drafts for offensive players (I not talk only for the first round) but in the last couple years, our drafts for the defensive players except for Shazier have been bad for most of the time.

I mean, just looking at the current roster, only 3 players on offense were a first round pick by the steelers (Ben, Pouncey and Decastro) but they were our best unit in the last 5 years, even if our last 6 first round pick have been in defense ....

Dwinsgames
10-24-2018, 02:14 PM
And with the next thought, you realize that could be the next Timmons, Pouncy, Heyward, Castro, Shazier, or T. J. Watt. And suddenly, you realize you're trading in 10-12 years for 4-6 with a high cap rate to go along with it.

have to think about windows too ( not microsoft ones ) but Ben's ...

what is a championship ( or maybe 2 worth ) ?

Beyond ben we have 2 young guys that may battle to the death over who starts post Ben but at this point we do not know if they are the future or not so is the window still open for the team or was it slammed shut the day ben walks away ?

do you risk it or do you maximize your chances now with a proven QB under center ... lets not forget AB has a window that is rarely spoken of that isn't that far behind bens based on the pos he plays ....

86WARD
10-24-2018, 02:15 PM
And with the next thought, you realize that could be the next Timmons, Pouncy, Heyward, Castro, Shazier, or T. J. Watt. And suddenly, you realize you're trading in 10-12 years for 4-6 with a high cap rate to go along with it.

Or it could be a Bell type situation.

I’d take the high chance at a Super Bowl now than a 10-12 year gamble with Whomever that is and Mason Rudolph.

steelreserve
10-24-2018, 03:45 PM
have to think about windows too ( not microsoft ones ) but Ben's ...

what is a championship ( or maybe 2 worth ) ?

Beyond ben we have 2 young guys that may battle to the death over who starts post Ben but at this point we do not know if they are the future or not so is the window still open for the team or was it slammed shut the day ben walks away ?

do you risk it or do you maximize your chances now with a proven QB under center ... lets not forget AB has a window that is rarely spoken of that isn't that far behind bens based on the pos he plays ....


For all the talk of "windows," take a look at any NFL roster - and then the same team's roster three years later, let alone four or five years. It'll be almost all different; maybe a half-dozen guys will still be there. The Steelers from 2004 through the early 2010s where we had all the same guys (on defense at least) were the extreme exception to that. Ben, AB, Heyward, Tuitt, Haden, Pouncey - pretty much all of them could be gone for one reason or another in three years.

Bottom line, the "window" is always RIGHT NOW. Assuming you are within striking distance of a title in the first place, that is. Since your Redskins, Jets, Raiders, etc., constantly make bold short-term moves thinking they are one piece away, when in reality they are several pieces away. Have to be aware of that, but I think we are in the former group, not the latter.

GBMelBlount
10-24-2018, 03:49 PM
FTFY


For all the talk of "windows," take a look at any NFL roster - and then the same team's roster three years later, let alone four or five years. It'll be almost all different; maybe a half-dozen guys will still be there. The Steelers from 2004 through the early 2010s where we had all the same guys (on defense at least) were the extreme exception to that. Ben, AB, Heyward, Tuitt, Haden, Pouncey - pretty much all of them could be gone for one reason or another in three years.

Bottom line, the "window" is always RIGHT NOW. Assuming you are within striking distance of a title in the first place, that is. Since your Redskins, Jets, Raiders, etc., constantly make bold short-term moves thinking they are one piece away, when in reality they are several pieces away. Have to be aware of that, but I think we are in the former group, not the latter.

If Ben isn't THE window, he is the stairway to seven.

Mojouw
10-24-2018, 03:55 PM
Amari Cooper going for a 1st rounder meant PP price had to be at least a 1st and a high complementary pick, say a 2 or a 3. Likely the Cards were not moving for anything short of a 2 #1's.

Dwinsgames
10-24-2018, 05:20 PM
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steelreserve
10-24-2018, 05:27 PM
Amari Cooper going for a 1st rounder meant PP price had to be at least a 1st and a high complementary pick, say a 2 or a 3. Likely the Cards were not moving for anything short of a 2 #1's.

A draft pick and a player could always do it. If they think they could make Burns into a serviceable starter, they would be getting a great return.

And who knows, some other team likely could make our young guys into serviceable starters. We only seem to have any success in the secondary with established players who are plug-and-play. So it's quite possible that this kind of trade would help both teams and both players.

Longer term, we need coaches who can actually teach people how to play coverage, not just stay the same as they were when they were rookies.

Craic
10-24-2018, 05:36 PM
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That'd make sense in the way the Steelers do things. Bring in another body but not mortgage the draft future by doing it. That is part of the Steelers way.

Dwinsgames
10-24-2018, 05:49 PM
That'd make sense in the way the Steelers do things. Bring in another body but not mortgage the draft future by doing it. That is part of the Steelers way.

perhaps just shipping the Pick we got for Bryant back to the Raiders could net the former 1st rounder ..

I wasnt a HUGE fan of his coming into his draft but many were , he definitely has some skills and is athletic with the right coaching who knows , just not sure that coaching is in place in Pittsburgh either

GoSlash27
10-24-2018, 05:57 PM
A draft pick and a player could always do it. If they think they could make Burns into a serviceable starter, they would be getting a great return.

And who knows, some other team likely could make our young guys into serviceable starters. We only seem to have any success in the secondary with established players who are plug-and-play. So it's quite possible that this kind of trade would help both teams and both players.

Longer term, we need coaches who can actually teach people how to play coverage, not just stay the same as they were when they were rookies.

Of course, if they could make Artie Burns into a serviceable starter, they wouldn't be in the market for a corner :D

Best,
-Slashy

steelreserve
10-24-2018, 06:31 PM
Of course, if they could make Artie Burns into a serviceable starter, they wouldn't be in the market for a corner :D

Best,
-Slashy

No, I mean if the Cardinals thought they could. Then they could get rid of their disgruntled starter, without creating a hole at the position that they would likely have to use one of those draft picks on.

Mojouw
10-24-2018, 06:31 PM
A draft pick and a player could always do it. If they think they could make Burns into a serviceable starter, they would be getting a great return.

And who knows, some other team likely could make our young guys into serviceable starters. We only seem to have any success in the secondary with established players who are plug-and-play. So it's quite possible that this kind of trade would help both teams and both players.

Longer term, we need coaches who can actually teach people how to play coverage, not just stay the same as they were when they were rookies.

Never going to happen. Not for a guy who has been to the Pro Bowl every year of his career and has been a 3 time all pro. He is the CB version of Khalil Mack with the added bonus that he is signed to an affordable contract for 2 more years after this one.

The Cards have zero incentive to trade this guy. Look how fast teams can turn it around. If Rosen is the "guy" at QB, they are going to need all the cost-effective elite talent they can get to make a playoff run while Rosen is on that rookie deal.

A first round pick and Artie Burns gets the Cards exactly nowhere. At best they tread water. It is going to take 2 first rounders to get them to even start thinking about it. At present, they seem dead set against it.

AtlantaDan
10-24-2018, 06:57 PM
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Maybe Peterson got to pick the assistant coach of his choice to get fired? :noidea:

Bring back BA!

86WARD
10-24-2018, 07:29 PM
perhaps just shipping the Pick we got for Bryant back to the Raiders could net the former 1st rounder ..

I wasnt a HUGE fan of his coming into his draft but many were , he definitely has some skills and is athletic with the right coaching who knows , just not sure that coaching is in place in Pittsburgh either

No need for another “project” guy...

steelreserve
10-24-2018, 08:03 PM
Never going to happen. Not for a guy who has been to the Pro Bowl every year of his career and has been a 3 time all pro. He is the CB version of Khalil Mack with the added bonus that he is signed to an affordable contract for 2 more years after this one.

The Cards have zero incentive to trade this guy. Look how fast teams can turn it around. If Rosen is the "guy" at QB, they are going to need all the cost-effective elite talent they can get to make a playoff run while Rosen is on that rookie deal.

A first round pick and Artie Burns gets the Cards exactly nowhere. At best they tread water. It is going to take 2 first rounders to get them to even start thinking about it. At present, they seem dead set against it.

Well then there is no reason for us to be going after Peterson. I said the price I could see making sense for us, but no player save a franchise QB is worth a price that starts at two first-rounders.

Yes, that was the price for Mack, but it wasn't worth it. Even with how he has noticeably helped the defense, it's not worth it.

Mojouw
10-24-2018, 09:12 PM
Well then there is no reason for us to be going after Peterson. I said the price I could see making sense for us, but no player save a franchise QB is worth a price that starts at two first-rounders.

Yes, that was the price for Mack, but it wasn't worth it. Even with how he has noticeably helped the defense, it's not worth it.

I totally agree. I think, and will never know for sure, that the 2 first rounders was going to be the starting point for the Cards. I just don't see how they are not a better team with Peterson for the next 2.5 seasons than w/out him and another 1st rounder that will be far too low to replace him.

I haven't watched any Cards football this year. But a SB window is now year 2-4 with a rookie CB.

43Hitman
10-24-2018, 09:38 PM
I totally agree. I think, and will never know for sure, that the 2 first rounders was going to be the starting point for the Cards. I just don't see how they are not a better team with Peterson for the next 2.5 seasons than w/out him and another 1st rounder that will be far too low to replace him.

I haven't watched any Cards football this year. But a SB window is now year 2-4 with a rookie CB.

I watched them play the other night against the Broncos, and boy was it bad. Their line is worse than the atrocious line we put on the field before Munch. That team is really bad, I'm not sure if 2-4 years is enough time.

fansince'76
10-24-2018, 10:36 PM
A first round pick and Artie Burns gets the Cards exactly nowhere. At best they tread water. It is going to take 2 first rounders to get them to even start thinking about it. At present, they seem dead set against it.

And a Steelers 1st round pick typically isn't in the top 5-10 like a Browns or a Bills first rounder. It is usually mid-twenties and lower.

Mojouw
10-24-2018, 10:36 PM
I watched them play the other night against the Broncos, and boy was it bad. Their line is worse than the atrocious line we put on the field before Munch. That team is really bad, I'm not sure if 2-4 years is enough time.

That sucks for them! Looking at the Cowboys and the Jags, we can kinda see what happens when a team fails to assemble enough pieces around cheap rookies. In the Cowboy's case it was the RB and QB. In the Jags the entire defense.

Looking at those teams today, and one wonders if the window is closing...gonna get expensive real quick for both.

Hound
04-23-2019, 11:24 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/
If true hopefully Colbert is in conversation

EzraTank
04-23-2019, 01:31 PM
If the Chiefs can match last year's offense they should be a favorite to win it all this year.

hawaiiansteeler
04-23-2019, 04:27 PM
If the Chiefs can match last year's offense they should be a favorite to win it all this year.

Patrick Peterson and Frank Clark would be a couple of pretty good additions to the Chiefs defense!

AtlantaDan
04-23-2019, 04:50 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/
If true hopefully Colbert is in conversation

From the linked article

Some cryptic (https://www.instagram.com/p/BwlF_OjHRa5/) Instagram posts (https://www.instagram.com/p/BwmT1GpHXE1/) from Peterson have led to speculation that he’s unhappy in Arizona. If he is unhappy, it wouldn’t be the first time: He requested a trade last season but later apologized (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/30/patrick-peterson-remains-here-to-stay-in-arizona/) for that and said he’s committed to the Cardinals.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/23/report-patrick-peterson-angry-at-cardinals-front-office/

By all means Colbert needs to bring in someone to fill in the current hole on the roster of having someone who uses social media to convey they are unhappy with their current team :rolleyes:

Hound
04-23-2019, 05:23 PM
Source said Ben Roethlisberger contract talks with Steelers are ‘moving in the right direction’ after a slower period coming out of free agency. Both sides would like to enter post-draft offseason without this as a concern. Steelers could clear cap space to make a draft-day move
HMMMMMMM!

- - - Updated - - -

From Jeremy Fowler

hawaiiansteeler
04-23-2019, 05:38 PM
[COLOR=#1C2022][FONT=Helvetica]Source said Ben Roethlisberger contract talks with Steelers are ‘moving in the right direction’ after a slower period coming out of free agency. Both sides would like to enter post-draft offseason without this as a concern. Steelers could clear cap space to make a draft-day move
HMMMMMMM!

From Jeremy Fowler

wonder what we would have to give Arizona for Peterson?

86WARD
04-23-2019, 06:05 PM
wonder what we would have to give Arizona for Peterson?

I’d give up a first and next years second. That’s pretty much the equivalent of this years first and third. Or I’d just give the going rate for a star player...3 and 5.

hawaiiansteeler
04-23-2019, 06:11 PM
I’d give up a first and next years second. That’s pretty much the equivalent of this years first and third. Or I’d just give the going rate for a star player...3 and 5.

we need Peterson to make some insulting remarks about his coach, Larry Fitzgerald and Josh Rosen to get the price to a 3 and a 5.

does he want to renegotiate his contract also?

Hound
04-23-2019, 07:18 PM
Eric Berry is also out there. FA and would fill a needed role

tube517
04-24-2019, 09:19 AM
we need Peterson to make some insulting remarks about his coach, Larry Fitzgerald and Josh Rosen to get the price to a 3 and a 5.

does he want to renegotiate his contract also?

Isn't Peterson a hostage over in Arizona???

86WARD
04-24-2019, 09:33 AM
we need Peterson to make some insulting remarks about his coach, Larry Fitzgerald and Josh Rosen to get the price to a 3 and a 5.

does he want to renegotiate his contract also?

I’m sure he must have furniture that he can toss around.

tube517
04-24-2019, 10:11 AM
I’m sure he must have furniture that he can toss around.

Send him some gold hair dye for his moustache.

86WARD
04-24-2019, 11:07 AM
Send him some gold hair dye for his moustache.

First he needs
To be active on the social media’s.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
04-25-2019, 12:44 AM
If Zona wants to trade him, I think our 1 and 4th this draft and a 3rd 2020 would be enough to get it done. Question is would you be okay with it ?

pczach
04-25-2019, 05:45 AM
If Zona wants to trade him, I think our 1 and 4th this draft and a 3rd 2020 would be enough to get it done. Question is would you be okay with it ?


I wonder if Kingsbury would be open to Josh Dobbs and a draft pick?

Dobbs is a mobile quarterback that fits his scheme. He has a couple years of experience and has even taken some snaps. If Kingsbury and the organization would be open to that, they might be able to get Peterson without breaking the bank on draft picks. The Cardinals can then draft Kyler Murray, have Dobbs as a backup, and trade Rosen to get additional picks to strengthen the team. Dobbs and a 2nd or 3rd sounds good to me. :thumbsup: