Burfict Elbow to AB's Head INTENTIONAL !

[katmandu]

I sure hope this hit by BirthDefect doesn't go unnoticed by the NFL Authorities.

Video replay very clearly shows BirthDefect raising his elbow and taking a DIRECT AIM at AB's head and making contact. It's clear his intention was to Concuss AB and take him out of the game.

Someone post up a GIF of this cheap shot !

Burfict needs to be permanently expelled from the League for his Sociopathic criminal behaviors. Multiple offender.

What's truly sad is he's a helluva an athlete and great player without his childish behaviors.

[st33lersguy]

Watch him not even get fined for it, meanwhile TJ Watt gets fined $20K for brushing Matt Ryan's knee

[katmandu]

Look at the play at the 4:53 of the 3rd Qrt. Connor running up the middle, BirthDefect goes in head first appears to be aiming his helmut directly into Connors helmut. Makes direct contact.

That was INTENTIONAL !

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Watch him not even get fined for it, meanwhile TJ Watt gets fined $20K for brushing Matt Ryan's kneeThe NFL Officiating is making harder and harder for us fans to enjoy the game.

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[fansince'76]

Watch him not even get fined for it, meanwhile TJ Watt gets fined $20K for brushing Matt Ryan's knee

This.

[86WARD]

If I were in the Steelers PR Office. I would put together an email or video or how ever they submit these things right now and send that to New York. That was a FLAGRANT INTENT to injure. That was as malicious as you can get. That should be posted all over Twitter as well to create a buzz about what a dirtbag he is....

[Buckinnuts]

twitter is exploding from what i saw about the hit...fn scumbag

[86WARD]

twitter is exploding from what i saw about the hit...fn scumbag

Good. It should be and it should be a suspension if Goodell does his fucking job.

[FrancoLambert]

Biggest piece of shit in the league.

[86WARD]

Should’ve unleashed JuJu.

Seriously if he’s not suspended people (from all teams) should storm the NFL Offices...players included.

[BlackAndGold]

He's a scumbag. It's nothing new.

[stillers4me]

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[st33lersguy]

And people are bitching about Justin Hunter not being called for a pick? How about Burfict not being flagged for that (or the Conner TD not being a TD)

[tube517]

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[86WARD]

https://twitter.com/st33lr3s3rv3/status/1051571027837407233?s=21

[Steeldude]

He hurt his own player. Haha.

Didn't Burfdefect also hurt his own shoulder?

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Good. It should be and it should be a suspension if Goodell does his fucking job.

He is not #92 so I wouldn't hold my breath.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Good. It should be and it should be a suspension if Goodell does his fucking job. When is this scumbag banned from the league ? With all the rule changes to protect people yet they let this arse do what he wants.

[SteelMayhem72]

I saw it and that is what caused his potential concussion...dirty as fuck!

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[smokin3000gt]

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Looks like the same cheap shot he took that cost him and his team a post season appearance

[pczach]

Biggest piece of shit in the league.


It's not even close. Everyone else is competing for second.

[Crow-Magnon]

Biggest piece of shit in the league.

I disagree. Burfict's not a piece of shit. He's the whole, corn-riddled, stinking turd.

[teegre]

McDonald knocked Burfict down.
Conner pushed Burfict aside.
Burfict hit AB... after the play.

SUMMATION:
Burfict isn’t tough enough to be a bully... unless it's a cheap shot and/or after the play.

#wholeshit

[fansince'76]

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Uh, i saw the so-called "pick." Seems to me the Patriots run these CONSTANTLY. :coffee:

And as far as Birth Defect is concerned, I've been saying for years that someone needs to take him out at the knees.

[Steelerchad]

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Uh, i saw the so-called "pick." Seems to me the Patriots run these CONSTANTLY. :coffee:

Max Kellerman clearly doesn't know the rule. That so called pick was at the line of scrimage, which is allowed. Furthermore, the defender initiated the initial contact anyway. A pick is only illegal if more than a yard downfield.

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[QUOTE=Steelerchad;658666]Max Kellerman clearly doesn't know the rule. That so called pick was at the line of scrimage, which is allowed. Furthermore, the defender initiated the initial contact anyway. A pick is only illegal if more than a yard downfield.
Dungy and Rodney Harrison both agreed it was not a penalty. Both defensive players and one of them a Steelers hater.

[teegre]

And as far as Birth Defect is concerned, I've been saying for years that someone needs to take him out at the knees.

Burfict needs to take a ride in Uncle Ray Ray’s limo...

[tube517]

Max Kellerman needs to go back to boxing and STFU.

[43Hitman]

Max Kellerman needs to go back to boxing and STFU.

He has no effing clue what he is talking about. Stephen A is going to lite his ass up tomorrow. :lol: Even though I don't like that douche either.

[AtlantaDan]

Our good friend Al Riveron explained why the claim of an illegal pick is bogus

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Mike Florio tries to stir the pot, but Tony Dungy & Rodney Harrison agreed at halftime of Pats-Chiefs no flag should have been thrown, so this nonsense will not get traction

[st33lersguy]

McDonald knocked Burfict down.
Conner pushed Burfict aside.
Burfict hit AB... after the play.

SUMMATION:
Burfict isn’t tough enough to be a bully... unless it's a cheap shot and/or after the play.

#wholeshit

I saw Steelers postgame and Chris hoke tore barfass tackling to shreds

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

He has no effing clue what he is talking about. Stephen A is going to lite his ass up tomorrow. :lol: Even though I don't like that douche either. Yea he will just scream louder then Max. Smith is a joke! Skip will sit back and say mmmm waiting to talk about the Cowboys.

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My bad I confuse shows but the same outcome .

[stillers4me]

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[fansince'76]

Burfict needs to take a ride in Uncle Ray Ray’s limo...

I'm thinking more along the lines of the "Alvin Mack Treatment" (Warning: NSFW):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWfP3PuWL38

[teegre]

I'm thinking more along the lines of the "Alvin Mack Treatment" (Warning: NSFW):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWfP3PuWL38


I’ve already told this story a million times... so, here goes a million & one.

2003 MNF Steelers @ Bucanners

Warren Sapp cheap shots Tommy Maddox. Sapp is talking all kinds of crazy sh!t, taunting Maddox... who gets up and lines up for the next play.

At the snap, Marvel Smith hooks Sapp under his right armpit while Alan Faneca hooks Sapp under his left armpit. Bettis runs right at Sapp. Right. At. Him. Sapp realizes what’s about to happen, and goes limp... falling to the ground (saving his knees/career).

Sapp jumps up, runs over to Maddox and extends his hand. Maddox stares at Sapp, and turns away. Sapp taps Maddox on the shoulder, and once again extends his hand... while looking at the Steelers O-line. Maddox shakes Sapp’s hand and nods to his O-line.

:nod:

[katmandu]

https://steelersdepot.com/2018/10/ab-thankful-to-get-back-up-from-from-another-nasty-hit-from-vontaze-burfict/


Good. It should be and it should be a suspension if Goodell does his fucking job.BirthDefect's behavior is way passed getting suspended again, and again, and again....

It's time for God-dell to EXPEL this CRIMINAL from the League..... PERMANENTLY !

This hypocrisy of God-dell's "Making the League Safer for Players" is a total F'ing JOKE ! He fines brushing hits on QBs, yet ENABLES BirthDefect's Criminal shots time after time after time !

[T&B fan]

Looks like the same cheap shot he took that cost him and his team a post season appearance


yes it sure do

[GBMelBlount]

A CBS writer wrote about this yesterday.

It is not even questionable.

[EzraTank]

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He cleans his own guy out as well. What a moron.

[AtlantaDan]

He cleans his own guy out as well. What a moron.

He has been trash since his NCAA days

Charming postgame behavior from Burfict

Burfict walked away from reporters waiting at his locker to talk to him. He later emerged from the training room as Kirkpatrick was being asked if he thought Burfict could be facing another suspension.

“It’s football, people get hit,” Williams yelled from a couple of lockers away.

“What’d they say, Dre,” Burfict asked before calling the reporter who asked the question the n-word and old before yelling, “Man, get your ass out of our locker room.”
When the reporter, who was white, asked if Burfict wanted to talk about it, the linebacker said, “No, you from Pittsburgh.”

https://theathletic.com/589638/2018/10/14/bengals-frustrated-burfict-bent-out-of-shape-after-more-steelers-insanity/ (link paywalled)

Within five years after his NFL career ends I would wager Burfict is either killed or ends up in prison due to a confrontation - outside the lines some people settle disputes with firearms

[Fire Goodell]

burfict trying to intentionally injure players? no, really?

[SteelMember]

This douche throws more forearm shivers than Ogie Ogilthorpe...

[katmandu]

There needs to be a way for us fans to demand action on criminal actions like this.




New post on Steelers Wire
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Vontaze Burfict was calling his shots on the field per Ben Roethlisberger (http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/15/vontaze-burfict-was-calling-his-shots-on-the-field-per-ben-roethlisberger/)by Curt Popejoy (http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/author/dbicurt/)


Everyone knew Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict was going to try and start trouble on Sunday. The hate between him and the Pittsburgh Steelers are well documented. On more than one occasion Burfict has made a conscious effort to injure a Steelers' player. This happened on Sunday and according to Ben Rothlisberger, he was calling his shots on the field.

From @RonCookPG (https://twitter.com/RonCookPG?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw): “He hits A.B., then, literally, as I am under center for the next play, he points at JuJu and says, ‘You’re next,’ ” Ben Roethlisberger said. “How do you allow that stuff?” https://t.co/w0G30vzhI5
— Post-Gazette Sports (@PGSportsNow) October 15, 2018 (https://twitter.com/PGSportsNow/status/1051850083745050624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Burfict put a shoulder into Brown's head on a play when there was no need to do it and immediately followed it up with a threat to JuJu Smith-Schuster he was next according to Roethlisberger.
Smith-Schuster also noted after the game the threats were flying from Burfict (https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/15/juju-smith-schuster-says-bengals-threw-threats-at-him-during-the-game/). Unfortunately, the media didn't get a chance to talk to Burfict about it as he chose to hide out in the training room postgame and avoid reporters.
Burfict has plenty of time to ponder his next round with Pittsburgh. The Steelers and Bengals square off in the final week of the regular season and there could be serious playoff implications.

[86WARD]

Our good friend Al Riveron explained why the claim of an illegal pick is bogus

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Mike Florio tries to stir the pot, but Tony Dungy & Rodney Harrison agreed at halftime of Pats-Chiefs no flag should have been thrown, so this nonsense will not get traction

Good post there.

[Mojouw]

Good post there.

The most ridiculous thing about the yelling on the internet about the pick by Hunter being illegal or not was the Steelers ran the same play on the 2 point conversion. With both TE's clearing guys out for Juju and no one says a thing.

At about the 1:30 mark of the linked video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KC79WVlb7c

It is the same concept by the TEs here as Hunter on the AB TD throw. I mean, maybe I'm wrong and there is something about the distance from the line of scrimmage that I am not understanding. If that is the case, then I will retract my statements and be glad I learned something.

This is why I think I need a break from the football internet. People literally have no idea what they are talking about. If you want to scream and yell about the AB touchdown, then you better scream and yell about the 2 pt conversion.

Also, watch the beauty of that 2 point play. Where was that on the series where Conner got tackled at the 1/2 yard line? Why do the Steelers only seem to have these plays ready for conversion attempts?

[teegre]

Within five years after his NFL career ends I would wager Burfict is either killed or ends up in prison due to a confrontation - outside the lines some people settle disputes with firearms

Or, prison.

If Burfict acts like this in the real world, he’ll be facing some serious jail time.

[86WARD]

The most ridiculous thing about the yelling on the internet about the pick by Hunter being illegal or not was the Steelers ran the same play on the 2 point conversion. With both TE's clearing guys out for Juju and no one says a thing.

At about the 1:30 mark of the linked video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KC79WVlb7c

It is the same concept by the TEs here as Hunter on the AB TD throw. I mean, maybe I'm wrong and there is something about the distance from the line of scrimmage that I am not understanding. If that is the case, then I will retract my statements and be glad I learned something.

This is why I think I need a break from the football internet. People literally have no idea what they are talking about. If you want to scream and yell about the AB touchdown, then you better scream and yell about the 2 pt conversion.

Also, watch the beauty of that 2 point play. Where was that on the series where Conner got tackled at the 1/2 yard line? Why do the Steelers only seem to have these plays ready for conversion attempts?

Good pick up. It’s the exact same play that many teams run at the goal line. Lol.

[ALLD]

That was a $50k elbow,

[Steelerchad]

The most ridiculous thing about the yelling on the internet about the pick by Hunter being illegal or not was the Steelers ran the same play on the 2 point conversion. With both TE's clearing guys out for Juju and no one says a thing.

At about the 1:30 mark of the linked video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KC79WVlb7c

It is the same concept by the TEs here as Hunter on the AB TD throw. I mean, maybe I'm wrong and there is something about the distance from the line of scrimmage that I am not understanding. If that is the case, then I will retract my statements and be glad I learned something.

This is why I think I need a break from the football internet. People literally have no idea what they are talking about. If you want to scream and yell about the AB touchdown, then you better scream and yell about the 2 pt conversion.

Also, watch the beauty of that 2 point play. Where was that on the series where Conner got tackled at the 1/2 yard line? Why do the Steelers only seem to have these plays ready for conversion attempts?

You are right. There is no such thing within a yard of the line of scrimmage. There is also no pick if the defender initiates the contact. Both of these were in play on the AB TD.

[smokin3000gt]

That was a $50k elbow,

Did you read that somewhere or speculating?

[ALLD]

I am speculating and it would send a message.

[katmandu]

I am speculating and it would send a message. A tiny fine like that would say that God-dell wasn't serious about player injuries. It would also embolden BirthDefect to elevate his Sociopathic behavior.

Want to send a strong, clear message to ALL NFL players ? IMHO, the only action God-dell should take is expulsion from the League. Permanently! Zero tolerance for Criminals who can not or will not play the game with Sportsman-like conduct.

Otherwise, what's it going to take to change his behavior ? Permanently injuring someone or worse.... actually KILLING another player ?

God-dell best do something and something STRONG before the inevitable happens. God help us all.

[stillers4me]

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[Buckinnuts]

sure looks like douchebag was going after the knee there ..not even close to bens upper body

[Born2Steel]

sure looks like douchebag was going after the knee there ..not even close to bens upper body

Looked more like the douchebag was trying to go full steam ahead into Ben's helmet with his shoulder. But Ben made a move to his right that caused the douchebag to miss him completely. Either way we ALL know what the intent was.

[AtlantaDan]

Wonder if that launch on Ben is one of the other Burfict plays the league office allegedly is looking at?

Attempting to hit the QB is something that is treated much more seriously than clobbering a wide receiver

[86WARD]

Looked more like the douchebag was trying to go full steam ahead into Ben's helmet with his shoulder. But Ben made a move to his right that caused the douchebag to miss him completely. Either way we ALL know what the intent was.

Looked like that to me as well. Looked like that or trying for a helmet to helmet.

[86WARD]

Wonder if that launch on Ben is one of the other Burfict plays the league office allegedly is looking at?

Attempting to hit the QB is something that is treated much more seriously than clobbering a wide receiver

Lol...there’s so much for them to look at...it may take days...

[AtlantaDan]

Also, watch the beauty of that 2 point play. Where was that on the series where Conner got tackled at the 1/2 yard line? Why do the Steelers only seem to have these plays ready for conversion attempts?

Gerry Dulac of the P-G maintains the Steelers do not hold back plays for 2 point conversion attempts. But like you I see plays on 2 point attempts that seem a lot more imaginative than what I have seen on short yardage for a TD situations such as the first and goal from the one sequence on Sunday

Since 6 points are more valuable than 2 points, do the Steelers hold back plays such as that used for the successful 2 point conversion on Sunday and, if so, why not use that when, hypothetically speaking of course, you are having problems getting into the end zone with first and goal on the one?

Gerry Dulac - They do not hold back plays. They have an expansive playbook and use only a certain percentage of those plays in the game plan for a given week. But they are not holding any back for a really big moment.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/10/17/Gerry-Dulac-s-Steelers-chat-10-17-18/stories/201810170110

[tube517]

Gerry Dulac of the P-G maintains the Steelers do not hold back plays for 2 point conversion attempts. But like you I see plays on 2 point attempts that seem a lot more imaginative than what I have seen on short yardage for a TD situations such as the first and goal from the one sequence on Sunday

Since 6 points are more valuable than 2 points, do the Steelers hold back plays such as that used for the successful 2 point conversion on Sunday and, if so, why not use that when, hypothetically speaking of course, you are having problems getting into the end zone with first and goal on the one?

Gerry Dulac - They do not hold back plays. They have an expansive playbook and use only a certain percentage of those plays in the game plan for a given week. But they are not holding any back for a really big moment.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/10/17/Gerry-Dulac-s-Steelers-chat-10-17-18/stories/201810170110

The QB Sneak is the new "secret" play now that Haley is gone!!!! :chuckle:

[pczach]

The QB Sneak is the new "secret" play now that Haley is gone!!!! :chuckle:


And it works every time. Who knew?

:smoker:

[86WARD]

The QB Sneak is the new "secret" play now that Haley is gone!!!! :chuckle:

Christ...the last one they just did in the Bengals game before the timeout went for 3 yards...lol. Instead of throwing, give Ben the ball 35 times...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Our good friend Al Riveron explained why the claim of an illegal pick is bogus

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Mike Florio tries to stir the pot, but Tony Dungy & Rodney Harrison agreed at halftime of Pats-Chiefs no flag should have been thrown, so this nonsense will not get traction

Great video, thanks for Sharing!!

I thought it was a pick play, but it happens. The breakdown in the video of how the defender changes his shade on Hunter to outside and extends his arms to jam Hunter at the same time Hunter goes out to meet him, shows the defender was not playing in coverage and backpedaling, he was going with the intent to jam and initiates contact. The correct no call was made.

As for Burfict. Did nobody see on the QB sneak by Ben that Burfict leads with his helmet and tries to spear Ben? Another dirty play, but because he didn't make significant contact there was no call.

[steel striker]

I don't understand how no one in the media even mentioned this cheap AZZ dirty hit by Burfict!!! When James Harrison played is was always fined for just looking at certain players!

[polamalubeast]

Mike Florio:Vontaze Burfict needs to go, for good

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/17/vontaze-burfict-needs-to-go-for-good/

[AtlantaDan]

Mike Florio:Vontaze Burfict needs to go, for good

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/17/vontaze-burfict-needs-to-go-for-good/

Thanks for the link. Money quote from the linked Florio article

So why wasn’t he suspended? One possibility is that, with everything otherwise going so smoothly this year for the NFL, the league office opted not to undermine the upswing in scoring and ratings (and eventually revenue) by making a strong public statement about Burfict being a bad guy. With the league’s owners gathering on Tuesday for a quarterly meeting, the topic could/would have created plenty of sound bites regarding the unacceptability of the headhunting in which Burfict seemed to be engaged, drawing even more attention to the lingering dark underbelly of the game.

This video compilation of Burfict's serial misconduct sums it up well

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But Roger says it is time to move on - how 'bout that Chiefs-Patriots game!!!

[Born2Steel]

Time for the players to mete out their own brand of justice. I would never ask for a player to be injured on purpose. What I'm saying is a 'come to Jesus' meeting in the form of FBs and/or TEs leading the way right at him for an entire game. OR until he takes himself out due to swollen nutsack syndrome.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Kirkpatrick when fighting with JUJU early in the game tried slamming his helmet into Juju but whiff also. This team will always be scum as long as Lewis is coach.

[bendsteel]

Honestly, I would love to know how/where to send a message that Fuckbag Goodell would/could actually read himself. I am pretty good with words and I would love to describe to him in detail how badly I wish mouth cancer upon him. I pray nightly that his wife and kids desert him to take up with Vontaz. I would go on the describe the ways in which Birthdefect will service his wife starting with a forearm shiver just to calm her down. There are very few people I wish would decide to suck on the business end of a glock, but Rodger Goodell is a person that I pray will soon off himself. But, hey, I am not bitter or pissed at all!

[AtlantaDan]

Time for the players to mete out their own brand of justice. I would never ask for a player to be injured on purpose. What I'm saying is a 'come to Jesus' meeting in the form of FBs and/or TEs leading the way right at him for an entire game. OR until he takes himself out due to swollen nutsack syndrome.

Steelers did not retaliate on Sunday, which I thought was smart football. But if the league does nothing significant, Gerry Dulac of the P-G seems to think the players will.

Although the Steelers did a good job of not being baited into retaliating against Burfict on Sunday, if the league takes no significant action for his latest assault are the players simply going to let bygones be bygones during the next Bengals game on December 30?
Gerry Dulac: Quite the opposite. The offensive players are tired of his act and can't believe the league does nothing by fine him. If anything, it will keep boiling and boiling until someone really goes after him.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/10/17/Gerry-Dulac-s-Steelers-chat-10-17-18/stories/201810170110

My money is on DeCastro, who has tangled with Burfict in the past and had some salty comments this week about the situation

[Mojouw]

How does Marvin Lewis not get more blame placed at his feet for this? Pretty simple that Burfict and Kirkpatrick will continue to play this way until Lewis reigns them in. Not hard to do either. Have some Skippy the Intern quality control coach put together a tape of Burfict's plays each game and then if he keeps doing dirty, sit him down. Conduct detrimental to the team and what-not.

Since he is a gutless coward with almost infinite job security, he won't. And Burfict will continue to play this way because every coach he has ever had at every level has bent over backwards to excuse, explain, and sweep away his behavior in order to keep him on the field because underneath it all, the guy can flat-out play.

Unfortunately both Lewis and the NFL lack the backbone to do anything.

[bendsteel]

I KNOW that it will do absolutely ZERO, but I sent this email to Roger Dodger today. If for no other reason, just the cathartic yummy good feeling inside that I get from berating an obvious asshole.

As a 40 year fan of the NFL, I have been a little disheartened to see the game change the way it has. With that said, I too am all for player safety. If it takes some rule changes to temper the violence and subsequent injuries, then so be it. Here is where there is a serious problem with the hypocrisy displayed by the league and Roger Goodell in particular. His name is Vontaz Burfect. Here is a man that is hunting, targeting players and doing so blatantly. Now, I know that Marv Lewis is a perennial loser coach and he allows, if not encourages this behavior. The film is out there for all to see. If the league does not stop this it will continue because the Coach Marv LOVES it! My most honest opinion is that this is FIRST about money and then a little player safety thrown in for good measure. If you, Roger, look at the film of Birthdefect and do not see it....you are blind OR do not know the rules yourself. This man will paralyze somebody someday, probably sooner than later. I believe that being the hypocrite and liar that you are, and have always been, Roger, you will spin this away. Shame on you and I CANNOT wait until you are gone! I pray each night that you are gone tomorrow.

[AtlantaDan]

How does Marvin Lewis not get more blame placed at his feet for this?

He is getting it.

Much to my surprise the Burfict story is getting some legs in national coverage even though the usual cheerleaders like ESPN (which is trying to get back in Roger's good graces) and Peter King want no part of it.

Good article by Robert Klemko at SI.com linked below

How did we get here, in the age of ‘player safety’?...

Glad you asked. First, you have to have a completely unrepentant human who lives in his own reality and has no problem maiming others for the purposes of winning a football game, or, in the case where he costs his team yards and points, simply exerting his will. That's Burfict....

Also, you’ve got to have a head coach who coddles the player and defends him at every turn. Enter Marvin Lewis, the Bengals coach with unfathomable job security....

Next, you need to have a weak locker room culture with no vocal leadership. Winning locker rooms with established vets typically police themselves before coaches ever get wind of an issue, but the Bengals are way beyond that point with Burfict....

We’re on our way, but we’re not done....

Integral to the Burfict nightmare is the NFLPA, which is contractually obligated to represent players in appeals for fines and suspensions, if the player chooses....

That Burfict won’t face suspension for his actions on Sunday, as reported (https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1051898872442839041), and will likely suit up this Sunday against the Chiefs and their offensive huddle chock-full of rising stars, is simply mystifying

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/17/vontaze-burfict-bengals-violent-play

[bendsteel]

Perfect! From SI no less. Not my cup of tea, but a big player nonetheless.

[Mojouw]

He is getting it.

Much to my surprise the Burfict story is getting some legs in national coverage even though the usual cheerleaders like ESPN (which is trying to get back in Roger's good graces) and Peter King want no part of it.

Good article by Robert Klemko at SI.com linked below

How did we get here, in the age of ‘player safety’?...

Glad you asked. First, you have to have a completely unrepentant human who lives in his own reality and has no problem maiming others for the purposes of winning a football game, or, in the case where he costs his team yards and points, simply exerting his will. That's Burfict....

Also, you’ve got to have a head coach who coddles the player and defends him at every turn. Enter Marvin Lewis, the Bengals coach with unfathomable job security....

Next, you need to have a weak locker room culture with no vocal leadership. Winning locker rooms with established vets typically police themselves before coaches ever get wind of an issue, but the Bengals are way beyond that point with Burfict....

We’re on our way, but we’re not done....

Integral to the Burfict nightmare is the NFLPA, which is contractually obligated to represent players in appeals for fines and suspensions, if the player chooses....

That Burfict won’t face suspension for his actions on Sunday, as reported (https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1051898872442839041), and will likely suit up this Sunday against the Chiefs and their offensive huddle chock-full of rising stars, is simply mystifying

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/17/vontaze-burfict-bengals-violent-play



Glad to see this finally getting serious attention. Good summary of the main issues.

[FrancoLambert]

Time for the players to mete out their own brand of justice. I would never ask for a player to be injured on purpose. What I'm saying is a 'come to Jesus' meeting in the form of FBs and/or TEs leading the way right at him for an entire game. OR until he takes himself out due to swollen nutsack syndrome.

You’re a better man than me.
Burfict is the exception to ”never asking for a player to be injured.”
He’s earned it.

[Hawkman]

Steelers did not retaliate on Sunday, which I thought was smart football. But if the league does nothing significant, Gerry Dulac of the P-G seems to think the players will.

Although the Steelers did a good job of not being baited into retaliating against Burfict on Sunday, if the league takes no significant action for his latest assault are the players simply going to let bygones be bygones during the next Bengals game on December 30?
Gerry Dulac: Quite the opposite. The offensive players are tired of his act and can't believe the league does nothing by fine him. If anything, it will keep boiling and boiling until someone really goes after him.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/10/17/Gerry-Dulac-s-Steelers-chat-10-17-18/stories/201810170110

My money is on DeCastro, who has tangled with Burfict in the past and had some salty comments this week about the situation

They didn’t overtly retaliate, but they sure did with their play. To the point where he went over to the bench and pouted after Vance ran over him. As someone else said, within a year of his leaving football, he will either be in prison or dead.

[teegre]

Joe Thomas ripped Burfict (on Wingo & Golic). Bengals fans responded by trashing Joe Thomas. #ofcourse

BengalGirl5150 claims that her boyfriend played football in high school, and thus, she knows more than Joe Thomas. I joke about the name, but some Bengals fan actually said that he knew more about football than Joe Thomas (citing his high school days). That’s... so typical of Bengals fans.

[86WARD]

Steelers did not retaliate on Sunday, which I thought was smart football. But if the league does nothing significant, Gerry Dulac of the P-G seems to think the players will.

Although the Steelers did a good job of not being baited into retaliating against Burfict on Sunday, if the league takes no significant action for his latest assault are the players simply going to let bygones be bygones during the next Bengals game on December 30?
Gerry Dulac: Quite the opposite. The offensive players are tired of his act and can't believe the league does nothing by fine him. If anything, it will keep boiling and boiling until someone really goes after him.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/10/17/Gerry-Dulac-s-Steelers-chat-10-17-18/stories/201810170110

My money is on DeCastro, who has tangled with Burfict in the past and had some salty comments this week about the situation

Problem is: if they are in playoff contention, they are at risk of jeopardizing playoff hopes if they get suspended for an amount of games.

[86WARD]

How does Marvin Lewis not get more blame placed at his feet for this? Pretty simple that Burfict and Kirkpatrick will continue to play this way until Lewis reigns them in. Not hard to do either. Have some Skippy the Intern quality control coach put together a tape of Burfict's plays each game and then if he keeps doing dirty, sit him down. Conduct detrimental to the team and what-not.

Since he is a gutless coward with almost infinite job security, he won't. And Burfict will continue to play this way because every coach he has ever had at every level has bent over backwards to excuse, explain, and sweep away his behavior in order to keep him on the field because underneath it all, the guy can flat-out play.

Unfortunately both Lewis and the NFL lack the backbone to do anything.

Lewis turns a blind eye to all of it. The fact that he claims he doesn’t know this is happening is concerning that he either doesn’t watch film or just doesn’t care what his team does on the field and as a head coach, it’s probably something he should be aware of. He promotes and condones it. He should be fined as well.

[SteelMember]

Joe Thomas ripped Burfict (on Wingo & Golic). Bengals fans responded by trashing Joe Thomas. #ofcourse

BengalGirl5150 claims that her boyfriend played football in high school, and thus, she knows more than Joe Thomas. I joke about the name, but some Bengals fan actually said that he knew more about football than Joe Thomas (citing his high school days). That’s... so typical of Bengals fans.

#PolkHigh4TDs

[AtlantaDan]

Problem is: if they are in playoff contention, they are at risk of jeopardizing playoff hopes if they get suspended for an amount of games.

True - if Steelers are out of playoff contention and the game means something to the Bengals (which would mean Burfict will play) he will be targeted


Lewis turns a blind eye to all of it. The fact that he claims he doesn’t know this is happening is concerning that he either doesn’t watch film or just doesn’t care what his team does on the field and as a head coach, it’s probably something he should be aware of. He promotes and condones it. He should be fined as well.

Marvin now is going with the always reliable "everyone does it" defense

“Everybody makes a comment on everything (Burfict) does,” Marvin Lewis said. “They don’t comment on anything else does, so let’s just leave it at that.”

Lewis is a failure of a coach (since the standard benchmark of success is winning championships or at least playoff games) for a failure of franchise

[86WARD]

True - if Steelers are out of playoff contention and the game means something to the Bengals (which would mean Burfict will play) he will be targeted



Marvin now is going with the always reliable "everyone does it" defense

“Everybody makes a comment on everything (Burfict) does,” Marvin Lewis said. “They don’t comment on anything else does, so let’s just leave it at that.”

Lewis is a failure of a coach (since the standard benchmark of success is winning championships or at least playoff games) for a failure of franchise

Lewis is a terrible coach...and I hope he stays in Cincinnati forever...lol

[fansince'76]

Not a peep about so much as a fine yet from the league office, and I'm not the least bit surprised. :coffee:

[86WARD]

I thought someone said after review nothing was coming as far as suspension or fine...

[SteelMember]

I think fines are handed out on Friday(s)... if there are any from the previous week?

[j-d-s]

Lewis is a terrible coach...and I hope he stays in Cincinnati forever...lol

And Hue Jackson in Cleveland, that'd be great :D. Those are probably the two worst coaches in the entire NFL.

[st33lersguy]

And Hue Jackson in Cleveland, that'd be great :D. Those are probably the two worst coaches in the entire NFL.

Bill O Brien and Vance Joseph probably have something to say about that, so does Dirk Koetter

[teegre]

Bengals fans are funny. They posted that gif of AB jumping/kicking their kicker in the face mask... trying to say that AB is just as bad as Burfict.

Different scenario (AB was going to jump, but then didn’t). But, let’s assume that AB did in fact kick that dude in the face on purpose. Okay. That was one incidence. Meanwhile, Burfict had three transgression in this past game alone.

So, Bengals fans will put together a video complication of three different Steelers leading with the helmet. Okay. Again, that is one incident per Steeler... while, again, Burfict had three transgressions in this game alone.

So, they bring up James Harrison leading with the helmet. And, they are right, before the rule was changed, Harrison has a plethora of helmet-to-helmet tackles. But, after the rule change, Harrison stopped leading with his helmet. And, more importantly, Harrison NEVER twisted a player’s ankle (Cam Newton) nor gave a player a cheapshot (Maxx Williams) nor danced/celebrated after he had injured a player (Le’Veon Bell). Burfict has done all three, with one example of each (although there are several examples of each) listed in the parentheses.

SUMMATION:
Bengals fans deserve Burfict... because, psychologically, they are Burfict.

[katmandu]

https://twitter.com/st33lr3s3rv3/status/1051571027837407233?s=21Another fine and another suspension will on ENABLE his CRIMINAL bahavior.BirthDefect is way beyond the rehabilitation point. The dude is a pure Psychopath that is out to maim another player and perhaps even KILLING another player ! This dude NEEDS EXPELLED FROM THE NFL !!

If not already done so, I highly suggest we fans get another PETITION drawn up to DEMAND BirthDefect be EXPELLED from the League.

[pczach]

Bengals fans are funny. They posted that gif of AB jumping/kicking their kicker in the face mask... trying to say that AB is just as bad as Burfict.

Different scenario (AB was going to jump, but then didn’t). But, let’s assume that AB did in fact kick that dude in the face on purpose. Okay. That was one incidence. Meanwhile, Burfict had three transgression in this past game alone.

So, Bengals fans will put together a video complication of three different Steelers leading with the helmet. Okay. Again, that is one incident per Steeler... while, again, Burfict had three transgressions in this game alone.

So, they bring up James Harrison leading with the helmet. And, they are right, before the rule was changed, Harrison has a plethora of helmet-to-helmet tackles. But, after the rule change, Harrison stopped leading with his helmet. And, more importantly, Harrison NEVER twisted a player’s ankle (Cam Newton) nor gave a player a cheapshot (Maxx Williams) nor danced/celebrated after he had injured a player (Le’Veon Bell). Burfict has done all three, with one example of each (although there are several examples of each) listed in the parentheses.

SUMMATION:
Bengals fans deserve Burfict... because, psychologically, they are Burfict.



At some point, doesn't there have to be a voice from the Bengals side that sees this whole Burfict /Lewis for what it is?

Burfict is a person with violence issues that is allowed to try to injure others in the name of doing his job. Marvin Lewis is a willing enabler that benefits from his violence as Burfict takes out key members of the opposition. If he severely injures someone or maims them....Lewis is okay with it, because it ultimately helps him keep his job of coaching teams to underperform, acquiring more players that are bad people than any other team, and creating a culture of violence and dangerous hits with the intent to injure.

I don't see any other way to look at it. This has been going on for years. The modus operandi has been firmly established. This is who they are, and what they do.

[Hawkman]

At some point, doesn't there have to be a voice from the Bengals side that sees this whole Burfict /Lewis for what it is?

Burfict is a person with violence issues that is allowed to try to injure others in the name of doing his job. Marvin Lewis is a willing enabler that benefits from his violence as Burfict takes out key members of the opposition. If he severely injures someone or maims them....Lewis is okay with it, because it ultimately helps him keep his job of coaching teams to underperform, acquiring more players that are bad people than any other team, and creating a culture of violence and dangerous hits with the intent to injure.

I don't see any other way to look at it. This has been going on for years. The modus operandi has been firmly established. This is who they are, and what they do.

I’m not sure if anyone is truly in charge of the asylum.

[AtlantaDan]

At some point, doesn't there have to be a voice from the Bengals side that sees this whole Burfict /Lewis for what it is?

Burfict is a person with violence issues that is allowed to try to injure others in the name of doing his job. Marvin Lewis is a willing enabler that benefits from his violence as Burfict takes out key members of the opposition. If he severely injures someone or maims them....Lewis is okay with it, because it ultimately helps him keep his job of coaching teams to underperform, acquiring more players that are bad people than any other team, and creating a culture of violence and dangerous hits with the intent to injure.

I don't see any other way to look at it. This has been going on for years. The modus operandi has been firmly established. This is who they are, and what they do.

Cam Heyward claims one of the Bengals best players has admitted to Heyward the Burfict situation is simply out of control

Heyward offered up this conversation he had with Cincinnati defensive lineman Geno Atkins:

"I remember when we were at the Pro Bowl, talking to Geno Atkins about it," Heyward said. "And he was just like, 'I don't understand it.' They say Vontaze Burfict is a great guy. But when he plays us, he just likes to turn up."

I asked Heyward to clarify if Atkins was questioning Burfict's loose-cannon nature.

"I don't think he understands it. I don't think his own teammates understand it," Heyward said. "Sometimes they are just flabbergasted as to what is going on."

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers/14191428-74/tim-benz-vontaze-burfict-is-a-mystery-even-to-teammates

Ray Lewis has said if it was his locker room he would have addressed it by now - IMO back in the day someone like Joe Greene (well at least late 70s Joe Greene after Mean Joe cleaned up his act) would have as well

Here’s Ray Lewis—who knows nothing if not how to command a locker room—on Burfict, in 2016: For me, as a teammate, I’m going to him and saying, ‘If this ever happens again, we have a personal problem.’

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/17/vontaze-burfict-bengals-violent-play?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb

Bengals are not wired that way. There are a lot of reasons the Bengals have done nothing in the playoffs under Lewis, but players being unable to rein in their out of control teammates is part of it.

If the league office does not suspend Burfict will be interesting to see if Tony Dungy and/or Rodney Harrison, who have pontificated about violent behavior they deem unacceptable in the past, have anything to say about Burfict on the Sunday night pregame prior to Bengals-Chiefs

[teegre]

At some point, doesn't there have to be a voice from the Bengals side that sees this whole Burfict /Lewis for what it is?

Geno Atkins

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers/14191428-74/tim-benz-vontaze-burfict-is-a-mystery-even-to-teammates

[pczach]

Geno Atkins

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers/14191428-74/tim-benz-vontaze-burfict-is-a-mystery-even-to-teammates



I get it teeg. I'm sure Atkins did say that to Heyward. But while that's all well and good, It wasn't a public statement.

This needs to be said publicly by someone close to the organization or within the organization....or it is on all of them IMO.

They have constructed a roster composed of far too many people with off the field issues....many times violent off the field issues. They have chosen to do that in an attempt to get elite talent at reduced rates. In the wrong environment, bad people that make bad decisions are going to continue to do that. Marvin Lewis is the architect of that blueprint and he creates the environment they operate in.

People like Burfict and Pacman Jones love playing for Lewis because he lets them be themselves.

Bad people being themselves shouldn't be tolerated. Not the players themselves, or the people that have created that culture and embrace over the line violence to try to win football games while putting opposing players at risk.

If the league had any integrity at all, it would be coming down on Burfict hard...and next would be the organization if it continues to happen.

[GBMelBlount]

I get it teeg. I'm sure Atkins did say that to Heyward. But while that's all well and good, It wasn't a public statement.

This needs to be said publicly by someone close to the organization or within the organization....or it is on all of them IMO.

They have constructed a roster composed of far too many people with off the field issues....many times violent off the field issues. They have chosen to do that in an attempt to get elite talent at reduced rates. In the wrong environment, bad people that make bad decisions are going to continue to do that. Marvin Lewis is the architect of that blueprint and he creates the environment they operate in.

People like Burfict and Pacman Jones love playing for Lewis because he lets them be themselves.

Bad people being themselves shouldn't be tolerated. Not the players themselves, or the people that have created that culture and embrace over the line violence to try to win football games while putting opposing players at risk.

If the league had any integrity at all, it would be coming down on Burfict hard...and next would be the organization if it continues to happen.

Good post!

[AtlantaDan]

So it is Friday evening and no announcement of even a fine against Burfict (after TJ Watt was popped for $20K for brushing against Matt Ryan)

Maybe Burfict has been placed on double secret probation :noidea:

Fuck the NFL and its pious bullshit about “player safety”

[fansince'76]

Fuck the NFL and its pious bullshit about “player safety”

This.

Time for a little player justice...

[Butch]

So it is Friday evening and no announcement of even a fine against Burfict (after TJ Watt was popped for $20K for brushing against Matt Ryan)

Maybe Burfict has been placed on double secret probation :noidea:

Fuck the NFL and its pious bullshit about “player safety”

Once a long time ago the raiders moved their team out of oakland despite the NFL. They were highly penalized

Not so long ago the Steelers were the only team to vote against the CBA because it gave go to hell to much power. hmmmm Didn't see this coming.

[j-d-s]

Bill O Brien and Vance Joseph probably have something to say about that, so does Dirk Koetter
Yeah, but Marvin Lewis is the only one who managed to stay HC for such a long time.

Hue Jackson might eventually, too (since if Cleveland wins like 5 games they probably will think of it as enough of an improvement). Vance Joseph and Dirk Koetter probably are gone in less than a year. On Bill O'Brien I would disagree. He went 9-7 three years in a row (reaching the playoffs in two of them) with really bad QBs. Last year they lost Deshaun Watson (who I think is really good) and then had even worse QBs.

[bendsteel]

I am not sure how tall Roger Dodger is, but I did not know that one could pile human excrement that high!

[86WARD]

So no word at all...lol.

[Shoes]

If I'm AR2 I'd make a public statement calling out the NFL for its hypocritical BS and take the fine. When are any of these chicken shit owners going to speak up? Ah, the money they get from daddy Roger. Rooney is just as bad as the rest. You have the best wr in the game, paying him millions and say nothing about a dirtbag trying to take him out. BS SCAM!

[GBMelBlount]

Am I correct that Burfict has shown and vocalized intent to harm and is not currently being reprimanded or terminated by the NFL.

If so, if somebody is severely injured or killed by Burfict can they sue the NFL or Roger Goodell for negligence?

[Shoes]

Am I correct that Burfict has shown and vocalized intent to harm and is not being reprimanded by the NFL.

If so, if somebody is severely injured by Burfict can they sue the NFL or Roger goodell for negligence?

They should be permitted to sue the NFL and owner. This the biggest absurdity and contradiction I have ever seen. I don't buy the BS as some say, maybe Rooney is privately submitting a beef to the nfl. Burfict, on national TV has used that same move on many players. He did it publicly, the nfl did nothing, its Rooneys duty to publicly speak against. It's not going to be long before I stop watching this disgusting shit. Its as bad as politics in this country.

[Lady Steel]

It's a shame Burfict is breathing the same oxygen that we are. He could get hit by a bus tomorrow and I would say karma prevailed.

[86WARD]

$112,000 fine. No suspension.

[bendsteel]

JOKE!!!!

[Shoes]

$112,000 fine. No suspension.

NFL BS

[fansince'76]

Think he should have gotten a suspension, but a $112K fine is better than the nothing I thought he'd get by with.

[GBMelBlount]

Think he should have gotten a suspension, but a $112K fine is better than the nothing I thought he'd get by with.

He should have been suspended Gary.

I am shocked.

[Shoes]

Think he should have gotten a suspension, but a $112K fine is better than the nothing I thought he'd get by with.


This guy doesn't care about football fines when he's on the field, he's proven that over and over. Maybe him kill or putting some one in a wheelchair is what its going to take. Sue Roger for everything including his socks.

[Lady Steel]

This guy doesn't care about football fines when he's on the field, he's proven that over and over. Maybe him kill or putting some one in a wheelchair is what its going to take. Sue Roger for everything including his socks.


Unfortunately, I think that's exactly what it is going to take. He should have been ejected from the League by now.

[86WARD]

Unfortunately, I think that's exactly what it is going to take. He should have been ejected from the League by now.

Agree. If Goddell cared about player safety, this would be the case.

[Shoes]

Agree. If Goddell cared about player safety, this would be the case.

Goddell is just as big of a dirt bag as Burfict, he just hides it all behind his plactic appearence.

[st33lersguy]

Yeah, but Marvin Lewis is the only one who managed to stay HC for such a long time.

Hue Jackson might eventually, too (since if Cleveland wins like 5 games they probably will think of it as enough of an improvement). Vance Joseph and Dirk Koetter probably are gone in less than a year. On Bill O'Brien I would disagree. He went 9-7 three years in a row (reaching the playoffs in two of them) with really bad QBs. Last year they lost Deshaun Watson (who I think is really good) and then had even worse QBs.

Bill O Brien only made the playoffs in incredibly weak AFC Souths. He has had talented players and only won divisions by default/other QBs in his division getting injured. Now with a lot of talented players, his team is underperforming in a division with no one with a winning record. He's part of the reason I never bought the Texans as a Super Bowl contender despite the talent he has had

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Burfict look like he got hurt bad by his own doing. Don't know if he was faking it like always but look kinda bad.

- - - Updated - - -

Anyhow was good to see Cinci get a beat down and as always bunch of pretenders!

[BnG_Hevn]

I’ve already told this story a million times... so, here goes a million & one.

2003 MNF Steelers @ Bucanners

Warren Sapp cheap shots Tommy Maddox. Sapp is talking all kinds of crazy sh!t, taunting Maddox... who gets up and lines up for the next play.

At the snap, Marvel Smith hooks Sapp under his right armpit while Alan Faneca hooks Sapp under his left armpit. Bettis runs right at Sapp. Right. At. Him. Sapp realizes what’s about to happen, and goes limp... falling to the ground (saving his knees/career).

Sapp jumps up, runs over to Maddox and extends his hand. Maddox stares at Sapp, and turns away. Sapp taps Maddox on the shoulder, and once again extends his hand... while looking at the Steelers O-line. Maddox shakes Sapp’s hand and nods to his O-line.

:nod:

That is classic.