Steelers trade for Oakland WR Ryan Switzer

[BlackAndGold]

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Slot WR/punt returner



Was traded from Dallas to the Raiders during the draft.

4th round pick in 2017

9 returns for TD in college at UNC

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*Pick swap it seems

[86WARD]

That’s your return specialist. May signal the end of DHB...

[BlackAndGold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx-hSAGNtzE

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That’s your return specialist. May signal the end of DHB...

Rogers**

[86WARD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx-hSAGNtzE

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Rogers**

Patterson may have done Rogers in. Can you really justify having two WRs on the roster that are more or less ST specialist guys?

[BlackAndGold]

Fitz could lose his spot also. Ryan Switzer can return kicks.

After Samuels showing against the Titans they may keep just 3 RB's. (Bell, Connor, Samuels)

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

That’s your return specialist. May signal the end of DHB...

Can he cover kicks? That is the main value of DHB.

Both Washington and Patterson looked to do a good job of covering kicks, but I think DHB is better than both. Tough to complain about Danny Smiths coverage teams and then release one of his best punt cover guys.

[86WARD]

Fitz could lost his spot also. Ryan Switzer can return kicks.

After Samuels showing against the Titans they may keep just 3 RB's. (Bell, Connor, Samuels)

That’s a possibility as well. Still find it hard to believe they would go with DHB and Switzer just bas d on the fact you are taking up two WR spots on those guys who aren’t really WRs but in a jam.

[86WARD]

Can he cover kicks? That is the main value of DHB.

Both Washington and Patterson looked to do a good job of covering kicks, but I think DHB is better than both. Tough to complain about Danny Smiths coverage teams and then release one of his best punt cover guys.

Matakevich can. DHB is definitely better than those guys but it’s a numbers game and if they keep DHB and Switzer (which is possible), they’d have to cut back somewhere else. I’ve always been a DHB supporter as his STs and locker room prescience have been very underrated. I’d love to see him stay...

[Dwinsgames]

could kill Eli's shot at sticking around and may also impact DHBs roster spot ... could be a move to clear 2 guys and replace with 1

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

That’s a possibility as well. Still find it hard to believe they would go with DHB and Switzer just bas d on the fact you are taking up two WR spots on those guys who aren’t really WRs but in a jam.

AB, JuJu, JW13, Hunter, Switzer, DHB.....could be the 6 they keep. Rogers not healthy and Patterson they could try and see if he will make it to the PS.

Tomlin likes his offensive players returning punts, so I was kind of surprised to see Sutton back there, although he did it in college.

[BlackAndGold]

This hurts Rogers and Fitz Imo.

What do they do with Rogers once he's healthy? I doubt they would cut Ryan after trading for him unless he's a disaster. Cut/trade?


DHB is still the best gunner on ST, and still has great speed if they want a deep threat on the field. I would be surprised if he's in danger.

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[Mojouw]

Meh.

Traded what is almost certainly a conditional pick so if they preview him for a game and then cut him no pick transfers, I think...

But not really impressed with a guy who can't get on the field at the WR spot for a not really good Dallas WR corps and was held off by the almighty Seth Roberts and Griff Whalen in Raiders camp.

Maybe an attempt to get another version of Eli Rogers so they can cut Rodgers if he continues to be a suspension and injury risk?

[Shoes]

I was hoping we would have drafted this kid, glad to have him.

[86WARD]

If they keep 6 WRs, does that extra WR take from another positions “allotment”?

Antonio Brown
JuJu Smith-Schuster
James Washington
Justin Hunter
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Ryan Switzer

Patterson (and maybe Tucker) could probably hit the PS.

Last year, I believe, they carried 6 but Rogers and Bryant were true WRs opposed to Switzer...

[Cyphon25]

Meh.

Traded what is almost certainly a conditional pick so if they preview him for a game and then cut him no pick transfers, I think...

But not really impressed with a guy who can't get on the field at the WR spot for a not really good Dallas WR corps and was held off by the almighty Seth Roberts and Griff Whalen in Raiders camp.

Maybe an attempt to get another version of Eli Rogers so they can cut Rodgers if he continues to be a suspension and injury risk?

Right along the lines of what I was thinking. Just don't see a ton of value in a return specialist on the whole anyway.

This has to be bad news for Eli Rogers but I also wonder who else it hurts. The 2 most likely candidates are Toussaint and Hunter. Toussaint has played well enough at RB to warrant a spot without also being the KR guy but Samuels has played well too and there is almost no value in keeping 4 RB's even if 4 guys deserve it.

Hunter on the other hand offers nothing on ST but they seem to really like him. So do they keep 6 and Hunter stays or does Switzer manage to bump him off?

[BlackAndGold]

Traded Oakland a 2019 5th round pick for Switzer and 2019 6th round pick.

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I was hoping we would have drafted this kid, glad to have him.

Loved him coming out of UNC, had him in my mock.

[Dwinsgames]

If they keep 6 WRs, does that extra WR take from another positions “allotment”?

Antonio Brown
JuJu Smith-Schuster
James Washington
Justin Hunter
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Ryan Switzer

Patterson (and maybe Tucker) could probably hit the PS.

Last year, I believe, they carried 6 but Rogers and Bryant were true WRs opposed to Switzer...

does Tucker even have PS eligibility left ? seems like he has been here forever

[BlackAndGold]

Team has four WR's locked up for the next few years. The WR position is something they don't need to worry about.


AB
JuJu
Washington
Switzer (assuming he can replace Rogers production as a slot WR+returner)

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I know this guy now. He was at the 2017 Senior Bowl and had a good week. Went to UNC and was going against Cam Sutton and TreDavious White in practice. IMO, worth taking a shot at a quick slot receiver, who can also return kicks.

[Fire Goodell]

SUPERBOWL

[st33lersguy]

Uhh, I didn't really think they needed another WR. Plus their track record for trading for players in August the last few years is not good

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Uhh, I didn't really think they needed another WR. Plus their track record for trading for players in August the last few years is not good

So if the Raiders wanted to trade Khalil Mack for Josh Dobbs, Kevin Colbert should tell them to wait until September because they have better luck with trades done outside of August??

[SteelMember]

Quadree Henderson gives up his spot... and his number.

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So if the Raiders wanted to trade Khalil Mack for Josh Dobbs, Kevin Colbert should tell them to wait until September because they have better luck with trades done outside of August??

If that trade is going down, It's gonna be next year before Mack gets out of the body cast he must be in...

[Dwinsgames]

Quadree Henderson gives up his spot... and his number.

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If that trade is going down, It's gonna be next year before Mack gets out of the body cast he must be in...


Steelers release WR Justin Thomas to make room for Switzer

[SteelMember]

Steelers release WR Justin Thomas to make room for Switzer

I don't think anyone thought J.Thomas had a shot anyway. So, maybe they get a good side by side review with Henderson in practice... still don't think Quadree makes it. Along with Griffey, Jones, Tucker and probably Patterson. A couple of them to PS at best.

[st33lersguy]

So if the Raiders wanted to trade Khalil Mack for Josh Dobbs, Kevin Colbert should tell them to wait until September because they have better luck with trades done outside of August??

Hypothetically they'd be dumb to pass on the trade and it would not be like the trades they had been making in August but that trade will never happen.

[silver & black]

Reggie...lol. Idiot.

[AtlantaDan]

Switzer with the proper attitude for bouncing around the league

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[DesertSteel]

Switzer with the proper attitude for bouncing around the league

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I agree that the Steelers are God's favorite team.

[GoSlash27]

Meh.

Traded what is almost certainly a conditional pick so if they preview him for a game and then cut him no pick transfers, I think.

If this is the case, then not really a big story. Otherwise, it's curious that they'd make a trade for another WR when they already have too many. Bringing him on would have to threaten 2 players in order to make sense. My guess is Fitz and Hey-Bey. That'd save a spot to shore up another position.

Best,
-Slashy

[pczach]

I know this guy now. He was at the 2017 Senior Bowl and had a good week. Went to UNC and was going against Cam Sutton and TreDavious White in practice. IMO, worth taking a shot at a quick slot receiver, who can also return kicks.


Great return man, and he has elite short area quickness. We know he can really run with it after he catches it. I thought he would be a very good slot receiver coming out of college.

He is certainly worth a shot because I'm not sure Dallas knows what the hell they're doing with WR's since Garrett got there.

I'm not sure Gruden knows what the hell he's doing either to this point.....but he does have Bongtavis….so he's got that going for him.

[Dwinsgames]

If this is the case, then not really a big story. Otherwise, it's curious that they'd make a trade for another WR when they already have too many. Bringing him on would have to threaten 2 players in order to make sense.

Best,
-Slashy


I think it certainly does ...

I think this bounces Henderson ( whom I had lost hope of making the 53 anyways due to playing it safe )

I think it cuts Eli out of the equation even though he is on the pup and is an insurance policy at this point

I also think it may cost 1 other job ... I would say DHB but that has to be sounding like a broken record by now ..

it is costing the Steelers a 5th round pick and a 6th from the cowbows according to Alex

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Great return man, and he has elite short area quickness. We know he can really run with it after he catches it. I thought he would be a very good slot receiver coming out of college.

He is certainly worth a shot because I'm not sure Dallas knows what the hell they're doing with WR's since Garrett got there.

I'm not sure Gruden knows what the hell he's doing either to this point.....but he does have Bongtavis….so he's got that going for him.

I agree. Who on the team has that kind of short area quickness in the slot currently? JuJu is big and not really quick. JW, Hunter, DHB and even Patterson are all more suited to the outside.

Switzer brings a skillset in the slot WR position that the Steelers don't currently have on the roster. I bet that is part of the reason for the trade.

[GoSlash27]

I think it certainly does ...

I think this bounces Henderson ( whom I had lost hope of making the 53 anyways due to playing it safe )

I think it cuts Eli out of the equation even though he is on the pup and is an insurance policy at this point

I also think it may cost 1 other job ... I would say DHB but that has to be sounding like a broken record by now ..

it is costing the Steelers a 5th round pick and a 6th from the cowbows according to Alex

DWins,
Not disagreeing with you, but just to clarify my point... What I mean is it would have to save 2 spots on the final 53; one on offense as a receiver and one on ST as a gunner/ returner. Even if he's not as strong at any individual job as the people he'd be replacing, it may still be worth doing.

Best,
-Slashy

[86WARD]

does Tucker even have PS eligibility left ? seems like he has been here forever

I read somewhere that he was still PS eligible.

[DesertSteel]

Either a 5th or a 6th for Switzer. Fowler's post contradicts. He says the Steelers gave up a 5th and Gruden said he expects to get a 6th in return.

That said, I don't like it.

Jeremy Fowler ESPN Staff Writer

The Steelers gave up a fifth-round pick for Ryan Switzer, Raiders coach Jon Gruden told reporters. They are expected to get a sixth-round pick in return, per source. The team needs return-game help, and Switzer ranked third in yards per kickoff return and 12th in yards per punt return last year.

[BlackAndGold]

Either a 5th or a 6th for Switzer. Fowler's post contradicts. He says the Steelers gave up a 5th and Gruden said he expects to get a 6th in return.

That said, I don't like it.

Jeremy Fowler ESPN Staff Writer

The Steelers gave up a fifth-round pick for Ryan Switzer, Raiders coach Jon Gruden told reporters. They are expected to get a sixth-round pick in return, per source. The team needs return-game help, and Switzer ranked third in yards per kickoff return and 12th in yards per punt return last year.

Reason why for the dislike?

[Cyphon25]

Am I reading it right that the Steelers gave up a 5th and will get Switzer and a 6th? If so I suppose that isn't bad. I wouldn't go higher than a 7th for a return guy who is a back end of the roster receiver but a 5th for a 6th isn't terrible if they also get some return value.

That being said, I wouldn't have made the move I don't think.

[86WARD]

Either a 5th or a 6th for Switzer. Fowler's post contradicts. He says the Steelers gave up a 5th and Gruden said he expects to get a 6th in return.

That said, I don't like it.

Jeremy Fowler ESPN Staff Writer

The Steelers gave up a fifth-round pick for Ryan Switzer, Raiders coach Jon Gruden told reporters. They are expected to get a sixth-round pick in return, per source. The team needs return-game help, and Switzer ranked third in yards per kickoff return and 12th in yards per punt return last year.

Switzer is worth a fifth round pick if he ranks third in KO and 12 in Punts. It’s well beyond what they’ve had returning in the past...

[BlackAndGold]

The team needed a returner. They've tried Henderson but he was 'too safe', Sutton fumbled against the Titans, Rogers is still on the PUP list and who knows when he'll be ready to return, and AB is too damn valuable to be back returning punts even though he knows how to avoid hits.

Switzer also bring depth at the slot which was also a need. Wasn't a big need since JuJu will play there when they use 3 WR sets, but still a need.

Also the Raiders more then likely won't be that good, expect the 6th round pick to be early. (While the 5th rounder they sent should be late)

[st33lersguy]

With all the comp picks that will be awarded in the 5th, the amount of picks the Steelers will end up moving back will be more than the amount of targets this guy gets. AB, Juju, Lev Bell, Washington, and the TEs. There is room for maybe 20 targets and 15 catches on this team

[DesertSteel]

Reason why for the dislike?
Price was too high.

Edit to say that if we get Switzer and a 6th in exchange for a 5th, I’m good with that.

[SteelerCountry58]

Haha... jeezus, they are “picks “, mid round at that. Picks no one knows what they will ever become. Far as I’m concerned Switzer already earned his value in “picks”. He has already proven he can be a spark plug and energize every team he had a chance to do so on. He can be very valuable in the slot and returning. The kids got balls of steel,let’s see what he can contribute. I like the pickup and in time our qb’s will too.

[teegre]

Haha... jeezus, they are “picks “, mid round at that. Picks no one knows what they will ever become. Far as I’m concerned Switzer already earned his value in “picks”. He has already proven he can be a spark plug and energize every team he had a chance to do so on. He can be very valuable in the slot and returning. The kids got balls of steel,let’s see what he can contribute. I like the pickup and in time our qb’s will too.

As Shoes and BlackAndGold already stated: many of us liked Switzer coming out of college.

Yancey Thigpen was once picked up in a similar manner: couldn’t catch on in San Diego... and then, found that he was a perfect fit with the Steelers. The same thing can be said for Wes Walker (although, he caught on in Miami). Sometimes, a new venue can do wonders for a player.

[SteelerCountry58]

I agree teegre. Plus love that he is from down the road in WV. You know he’s pumped!

[teegre]

I agree teegre. Plus love that he is from down the road in WV. You know he’s pumped!

Excellent point. :nod:

[stillers4me]

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[Mojouw]

French Cafe better start packing his bags. Is he still practice squad eligbible?

[Dwinsgames]

French Cafe better start packing his bags. Is he still practice squad eligbible?


who knows .. to complicated for me today ... ( Tucker falls in here someplace too I suspect )


In 2016, the NFL adopted a modification to the practice squad rules that allows up to four players per practice squad to have two accrued seasons, making it easier for teams to have experienced players on their practice squad. In the previous agreement, only two players with two accrued seasons were allowed to be on a practice squad.

Other than those four players, eligibility is limited to players who have been on an active roster for fewer than six games, or were on a 46-man active gameday roster for fewer than nine games.
A player is allowed on the practice squad for up to two years, with one year counting as six weeks in a season. A third year on the practice squad is only allowed if the team keeps 53 players on their active roster at all times (which every team does).

[ALLD]

This is a good deal and much better than wasting a 3rd or 4th round pick chasing somebody in the draft.

[Steeldude]

Low center of gravity, nimble and quick.

Can he catch with his hands? It seems each catch is done with his body.

[teegre]

When I first heard of a “Steelers-Raidahs” trade, I had thought (for a microsecond) that it was Bell for Mack.

[FrancoLambert]

IMO he was obtained to be a returner first and foremost.
We don't have a returner. Watching Croissant returning kicks was a joke.
Anything he supplies as a slot receiver is a bonus.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I was hoping we would have drafted this kid, glad to have him.

I thought you wanted a TE instead? :chuckle:

[Born2Steel]

Henderson and Switzer have very similar measurables according to their combine results. With the new KO rules I understand returner speed means even more now. These guys ran right at 4.5 both. What makes Switzer worthy of a 3rd round pick? It's not size, speed, any ability they bring to an offense. Just to create competition?


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[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Henderson and Switzer have very similar measurables according to their combine results. With the new KO rules I understand returner speed means even more now. These guys ran right at 4.5 both. What makes Switzer worthy of a 3rd round pick? It's not size, speed, any ability they bring to an offense. Just to create competition?


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Switzer had proven he can be productive at returning punts and kicks in NFL regular season. Henderson has shown he can waive for fair catch in NFL preseason. That is pretty much the main difference Switzer will be on the 53 and Henderson will be cut.

[Born2Steel]

Switzer had proven he can be productive at returning punts and kicks in NFL regular season. Henderson has shown he can waive for fair catch in NFL preseason. That is pretty much the main difference Switzer will be on the 53 and Henderson will be cut.

You're thinking is it simply comes down to NFL experience? Is that worth a 3rd rd draft pick in your opinion?


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[Dwinsgames]

You're thinking is it simply comes down to NFL experience? Is that worth a 3rd rd draft pick in your opinion?


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personally I think they wanted a specialist and thats why they brought in Henderson , that said all henderson seemed to do is wave for fair catches ... almost anyone could do that , they want someone who can make something happen with the ball and he just didnt take any chances to prove he " was that guy"

as Gonzo stated Switzer has shown the ability to do so and willingness to do so on an NFL field ...

[pczach]

You're thinking is it simply comes down to NFL experience? Is that worth a 3rd rd draft pick in your opinion?


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They probably think he can develop into an effective slot receiver as well. If they thought the same about Henderson, they wouldn't have traded for Switzer IMO.

[Born2Steel]

personally I think they wanted a specialist and thats why they brought in Henderson , that said all henderson seemed to do is wave for fair catches ... almost anyone could do that , they want someone who can make something happen with the ball and he just didnt take any chances to prove he " was that guy"

as Gonzo stated Switzer has shown the ability to do so and willingness to do so on an NFL field ...

Ok. What about the 3rd round draft pick price tag? Is Switzer, or any return specialist worthy of that? If that had been our 3rd round pick this past draft how would that go over do you think?


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[Born2Steel]

My guess is one of these backup QBs may be used to get that 3rd round pick back.


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[Dwinsgames]

Ok. What about the 3rd round draft pick price tag? Is Switzer, or any return specialist worthy of that? If that had been our 3rd round pick this past draft how would that go over do you think?


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we didn't spend a 3rd round pick to get him we traded a 5th... does that help you like it a little better ?

[Dwinsgames]

My guess is one of these backup QBs may be used to get that 3rd round pick back.


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as I outlined in my prediction for the 53 man roster Jones/Dobbs/Coty Sensabaugh could all have potential value for an ILB/TE/draft pick

[43Hitman]

we didn't spend a 3rd round pick to get him we traded a 5th... does that help you like it a little better ?

I was wondering why he was thinking we gave up a 3rd pick also. :huh:

[Born2Steel]

I thought it was a 3rd. My bad. I guess the answer to my question then is NO. Switzer is not worth a 3rd only a 5th. Remember I only asked a question, wrong info or not. I didn't insult anyone or their damn horse.


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[43Hitman]

I thought it was a 3rd. My bad. I guess the answer to my question then is NO. Switzer is not worth a 3rd only a 5th. Remember I only asked a question, wrong info or not. I didn't insult anyone or their damn horse.


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And we only gave you an answer....did someone shit in your Rice Krispies this morning?

[Dwinsgames]

I thought it was a 3rd. My bad. I guess the answer to my question then is NO. Switzer is not worth a 3rd only a 5th. Remember I only asked a question, wrong info or not. I didn't insult anyone or their damn horse.


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I gotcha , didn't see the insults though must have missed them ..we all make mistakes hell I forgot Chuks on the 53 ( wife been asking me stuff the whole time I was trying to do it ) but w/e its fixed and so is your perception of the trade I trust ?

[Hawkman]

I’m looking back through to find the insult.:noidea::chuckle:

[Born2Steel]

I gotcha , didn't see the insults though must have missed them ..we all make mistakes hell I forgot Chuks on the 53 ( wife been asking me stuff the whole time I was trying to do it ) but w/e its fixed and so is your perception of the trade I trust ?

My perception and my question were actually 2 different things. I was looking more as a Switzer vs Henderson question. What is it that makes Switzer a 5th round draft pick better than Henderson. I'm thinking the only difference between the 2 players is Switzer has actual game experience.
My perception is a specialist is not worth a draft pick. But better a 5th than a 3rd. So YES to your question.


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[Born2Steel]

And we only gave you an answer....did someone shit in your Rice Krispies this morning?

No offense to you here but who is this "we" you speak of? You did not contribute at all to the our discussion.


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[tube517]

I’m looking back through to find the insult.:noidea::chuckle:

:pop2: :chuckle:

[43Hitman]

No offense to you here but who is this "we" you speak of? You did not contribute at all to the our discussion.


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You're correct. My bad. You still acted as though someone hurt your feelings, when no one did any such thing. And that is what I was commenting on. Maybe I should have said, "all he did was give you an answer". Feel better now Francis?

[Born2Steel]

You're correct. My bad. You still acted as though someone hurt your feelings, when no one did any such thing. And that is what I was commenting on. Maybe I should have said, "all he did was give you an answer". Feel better now Francis?

I do. Thanks Gus.


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[43Hitman]

:chuckle:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

. What is it that makes Switzer a 5th round draft pick better than Henderson.


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You know this already. Switzer's 4 years of tape at North Carolina, his history of highschool player of the year at West Virginia get him scouted and noticed. He gets invited to play in Reese Senior Bowl week and his strong performance there and Combine workout got him selected in the 4th round of the 2017 draft.

Quadree Henderson's game tape at Pitt showed him as more of a jet sweep guy with straight line speed and the post season evaluation process didn't warrant him consideration to be drafted. He hasn't shown anything in camp or games as a receiver or returner, so the Steelers looked elsewhere.

While I really think testing stats are maybe one tenth of the equation when evaluating players....the fact that Switzer ran a 4.00 short shuttle and Henderson ran a 4.28, shows that Switzer's change of direction is better and that is why he is likely a more productive slot receiver than the UDFA Henderson.

BTW, the Steelers received Switzer and a 6th round pick and sent the Raiders a 5th round pick. Its on steelers.com for complete details, so they didn't trade him for a 5th round pick alone.

[Born2Steel]

You know this already. Switzer's 4 years of tape at North Carolina, his history of highschool player of the year at West Virginia get him scouted and noticed. He gets invited to play in Reese Senior Bowl week and his strong performance there and Combine workout got him selected in the 4th round of the 2017 draft.

Quadree Henderson's game tape at Pitt showed him as more of a jet sweep guy with straight line speed and the post season evaluation process didn't warrant him consideration to be drafted. He hasn't shown anything in camp or games as a receiver or returner, so the Steelers looked elsewhere.

While I really think testing stats are maybe one tenth of the equation when evaluating players....the fact that Switzer ran a 4.00 short shuttle and Henderson ran a 4.28, shows that Switzer's change of direction is better and that is why he is likely a more productive slot receiver than the UDFA Henderson.

BTW, the Steelers received Switzer and a 6th round pick and sent the Raiders a 5th round pick. Its on steelers.com for complete details, so they didn't trade him for a 5th round pick alone.

Ty for that.


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[teegre]

BTW, the Steelers received Switzer and a 6th round pick and sent the Raiders a 5th round pick. Its on steelers.com for complete details, so they didn't trade him for a 5th round pick alone.

:nod:

Assuming the Raidahs don’t make the playoffs, that R6 pick will be in the top half. Likewise, assuming that the Steelers are picking 32nd ( :wink02: ), that would be the last pick in R5. Add in a dozen comp picks at the end of R5... and the Steelers dropped back about 25 spots to get a guy who has a nice (collegiate) resume.

[polamalubeast]

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[tube517]

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Not a good number to have, Switzer.

[polamalubeast]

Not a good number to have, Switzer.

except for Santonio Holmes...

[SteelMember]

Quadree Henderson gives up his spot... and his number.

...like I said. :tongue1:

[43Hitman]

Fun fact: Zach Banner is Lincoln Kennedy's son, Lincolns number was also 72.