What does the 53 look like?

[Mojouw]

Another thread got me to thinking about what the numbers look like for the 53 man roster.

QB - 3
RB - 4
FB - 1
TE - 3
WR - 6
OL - 9
Offense - 26

DL - 5
OLB - 5
ILB - 5
S - 5
CB- 6
Defense - 26

Specialists - 3

That gets me to 55. So need to trim 2 spots?

That likely means that 5th ILB goes to the PS and the 6th CB? Or do the keep 6 at CB and go light at safety? Only go with 5 WRs.

I knew this was more complicated than my original post made it out to be!

[Dwinsgames]

Another thread got me to thinking about what the numbers look like for the 53 man roster.

QB - 3
RB - 4
FB - 1
TE - 3
WR - 6
OL - 9
Offense - 26

DL - 5
OLB - 5
ILB - 5
S - 5
CB- 6
Defense - 21

Specialsts - 3

That gets me to 50. So 3 spots?

Another DL seems to make sense. Another outside backer? Maybe. A 10th lineman?


I would def say another D Lineman , and this is where you miss Moats 1 player who could be plugged inside or outside 1 roster spot filling 2 backup pos ...

dare I say 4 specialists , certainly not the norm for the Steelers but Henderson could have an outside shot making the team as a return man that will sit in WR meetings but rarely see the field in that capacity

[Mojouw]

I would def say another D Lineman , and this is where you miss Moats 1 player who could be plugged inside or outside 1 roster spot filling 2 backup pos ...

dare I say 4 specialists , certainly not the norm for the Steelers but Henderson could have an outside shot making the team as a return man that will sit in WR meetings but rarely see the field in that capacity

No doubt. Unless they start picking up LBers from other teams cuts, looks like the two UDFA's have path to make the final roster. May be that Big Dan gets another go-round as well.

Return guy -- hadn't thought of that. Guess we will have to see what Henderson looks like in game situations.

I have also heard that Coty Sensabaugh is making it hard to cut him so far.

[Dwinsgames]

No doubt. Unless they start picking up LBers from other teams cuts, looks like the two UDFA's have path to make the final roster. May be that Big Dan gets another go-round as well.

Return guy -- hadn't thought of that. Guess we will have to see what Henderson looks like in game situations.

I have also heard that Coty Sensabaugh is making it hard to cut him so far.

well not sure you heard but a few days ago Big Dan got into a fight in camp ...

Yes !!!!

Imagine if this Gentle Giant has somehow found his mean streak ?

hmmm

[hawaiiansteeler]

Another thread got me to thinking about what the numbers look like for the 53 man roster.

DL - 5
OLB - 5
ILB - 5
S - 5
CB- 6
Defense - 21

hate to break this to you but that equals 26

[tube517]

hate to break this to you but that equals 26

Maybe he counted the ILBs and Safetys as one?
(Mojouw is really Colbert...shhhhhhhhhhh) :chuckle:

[teegre]

hate to break this to you but that equals 26


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[Mojouw]

hate to break this to you but that equals 26

Maths is not so good to me...

..Okay so that didn't work.

So now, have to trim two spots.

[Hawkman]

hate to break this to you but that equals 26

So in actuality, Mo needs to take away two. Boy that sucks for those two.:heh: If MY math is correct.

[Born2Steel]

DL will probably carry 6
OLB with 4. Watt has had to sit out a TC session due to injury and Bud has been put on concussion protocol. Lean toward 4 but there could be an extra DE too.
ILB with 4. Fort is already 3rd string and was passed over for Spence last year. I think one of the PS guys gets his spot this year.
CB carry 6.
Safeties keep 4/5. Been reading about some good battles at DB spots. Drafted 2 safeties and brought in 2 FA safeties. Also had Hilton and Sutton taking safety reps in TC.

25 ON DEFENSE.

QB, we always carry 3.
RB will carry 3 plus Nix. 4 total.
WR always keeps 5/6.
TE Convinced we keep 3 after bringing in Hodges.
OL I think we usually keep 8

24 ON OFFENSE

4 Specialists

[Fire Goodell]

I hope michael thomas makes it

[86WARD]

These exercises show how important 2–5 more game day hats could be...not only for convenience but for player safety...

[Mojouw]

These exercises show how important 2–5 more game day hats could be...not only for convenience but for player safety...

I’ve never understood why you can’t dress the whole roster.


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[Born2Steel]

I hope michael thomas makes it

Who is Michael Thomas again?

[Dwinsgames]

Who is Michael Thomas again?

the athletic Linebacker from florida st ( Mathew) Michael was a reserve safety for the dolphins

[hawaiiansteeler]

I hope michael thomas makes it

Alan: With a strong showing in the preseason games, can you see a scenario where Matthew Thomas ends of starting at some point in the season?

Ray Fittipaldo: Matthew Thomas has done well at camp, but no, I can't envision a scenario where he starts this year. I'm not even sure he's going to make the 53-man roster. Maybe he will, but I think practice squad is more likely.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/08/06/ray-fittipaldo-steelers-chat-8-6-18/stories/201808060113

[Born2Steel]

the athletic Linebacker from florida st ( Mathew) Michael was a reserve safety for the dolphins

I went to the roster to look him up. I saw Matthew, didn't know if that was the same guy.

[AtlantaDan]

Ed B. of the P-G says the final 53 better include an offensive tackle who is not currently on the roster or the Steelers are flirting with disaster if AV or Gilbert gets injured

A decent veteran might not surface on cutdown day next month, and not having a No. 3 tackle who could capably replace an injured starter could endanger Roethlisberger and a 2018 season brimming with promise.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/08/08/steelers-offensive-line-depth-alejandro-villanueva-marcus-gilbert-chukwuma-okorafor/stories/201808080117

[Born2Steel]

Ed B. of the P-G says the final 53 better include an offensive tackle who is not currently on the roster or the Steelers are flirting with disaster if AV or Gilbert gets injured

A decent veteran might not surface on cutdown day next month, and not having a No. 3 tackle who could capably replace an injured starter could endanger Roethlisberger and a 2018 season brimming with promise.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/08/08/steelers-offensive-line-depth-alejandro-villanueva-marcus-gilbert-chukwuma-okorafor/stories/201808080117


This season is brimming with tragic possibilities. The depth is very poor right now.

[Mojouw]

Ed B. of the P-G says the final 53 better include an offensive tackle who is not currently on the roster or the Steelers are flirting with disaster if AV or Gilbert gets injured

A decent veteran might not surface on cutdown day next month, and not having a No. 3 tackle who could capably replace an injured starter could endanger Roethlisberger and a 2018 season brimming with promise.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/08/08/steelers-offensive-line-depth-alejandro-villanueva-marcus-gilbert-chukwuma-okorafor/stories/201808080117



This season is brimming with tragic possibilities. The depth is very poor right now.

Wonder if this based on anything other than Ed B reading the depth chart and seeing a rookie and other names he doesn't recognize.

Has anyone heard anything from practice that all OTs not named AV and Gilbert have been overmatched? I mean someone has to have been playing LT with the first string while AV has been missing time with his shoulder soreness.

[AtlantaDan]

Wonder if this based on anything other than Ed B reading the depth chart and seeing a rookie and other names he doesn't recognize.

Has anyone heard anything from practice that all OTs not named AV and Gilbert have been overmatched? I mean someone has to have been playing LT with the first string while AV has been missing time with his shoulder soreness.

Even if Okorafor is having a lights out camp, Bouchette's point that going with Plan C for the #3 tackle (after Hawkins went down and Bryce Harris could not pass the conditioning test) is risky seems legit to me. Let's see how it goes after the first two exhibition games as opposed to whatever is going on in camp

Bottom line is that the Steelers are screwed under the cap this year by paying Bell's franchise tag salary and (thank goodness for Shazier) paying out $8 million for a player who will not play. So no surprise depth is a recurring concern.

[BlackAndGold]

Most NFL teams want to improve their #3 tackle spot. Hell some are searching for a starting tackle. We were lucky to have Hubbard last season.


Really hope Dobbs plays well enough in the PS that some team may have interest via trade. Could land a depth tackle there.

[AtlantaDan]

Most NFL teams want to improve their #3 tackle spot. Hell some are searching for a starting tackle. We were lucky to have Hubbard last season.

Really hope Dobbs plays well enough in the PS that some team may have interest via trade. Could land a depth tackle there.

Other than a clown show like the Browns, hard to see why a team would trade a decent player when Dobbs likely is going to be exposed as a waiver wire pickup - garbage time draft pick is best return I see for Dobbs before he is cut loose

[Mojouw]

Even if Okorafor is having a lights out camp, Bouchette's point that going with Plan C for the #3 tackle (after Hawkins went down and Bryce Harris could not pass the conditioning test) is risky seems legit to me. Let's see how it goes after the first two exhibition games as opposed to whatever is going on in camp

Bottom line is that the Steelers are screwed under the cap this year by paying Bell's franchise tag salary and (thank goodness for Shazier) paying out $8 million for a player who will not play. So no surprise depth is a recurring concern.

I'm not sure that the salary cap is really to blame. I mean it doesn't help, but look at the biggest concerns about depth.

OL - Hubbard was leaving to go start somewhere. There was no way he was coming back at almost any salary to play swing tackle. Which was fine, until Hawkins got hurt. That is just a matter of player progression and bad injury luck than a pure cap issue.

ILB - they don't have good players there because they have done a poor job of identifying good ILBs. Maybe a bit of cap space would have helped them sign Bostic + another Bostic type, but does that really help?

OLB - Moats is the only guy who wasn't brought back. Again, I am not certain that was really a solely cap $$ issue. They seem to want to go younger at the position and Moats was blocking guys.

I think their depth issues are primarily at places where there have been injuries or thin draft classes.

[BlackAndGold]

Other than a clown show like the Browns, hard to see why a team would trade a decent player when Dobbs likely is going to be exposed as a waiver wire pickup - garbage time draft pick is best return I see for Dobbs before he is cut loose

If Dobbs plays 'well'(key word here) some desperate team could come calling.

But I doubt Dobbs shows a lot but I'm holding out hope.

[pczach]

Wonder if this based on anything other than Ed B reading the depth chart and seeing a rookie and other names he doesn't recognize.

Has anyone heard anything from practice that all OTs not named AV and Gilbert have been overmatched? I mean someone has to have been playing LT with the first string while AV has been missing time with his shoulder soreness.



I love how guys like Bouchette make these declarations before they even play a single snap against another team in real game situations.

Almost every time this guy says something in regard to draft picks or young talent, I get the feeling that my mother has seen as much tape on them as he has. He seems to have no intimate knowledge of players abilities, and often says things that don't match what my eyes tell me when I see the same guy play that he is talking about.

He becomes more irrelevant every year as he seems to bring less and less to the table IMO.

[Mojouw]

I love how guys like Bouchette make these declarations before they even play a single snap against another team in real game situations.

Almost every time this guy says something in regard to draft picks or young talent, I get the feeling that my mother has seen as much tape on them as he has. He seems to have no intimate knowledge of players abilities, and often says things that don't match what my eyes tell me when I see the same guy play that he is talking about.

He becomes more irrelevant every year as he seems to bring less and less to the table IMO.

It is getting harder and harder to take his Q&A answers without heaping helpings of salt.

[AtlantaDan]

Regular brain hot take - Steelers are running a risk by not trading for a capable #3 tackle in the event AV or Gilbert get hurt

Galaxy brain hot take - Steelers should trade for a competent #3 tackle and run the risk of going with a backup QB with zero regular season NFL snaps in the event Ben gets hurt

A 'win-win' trade between the Steelers and Vikings? Makes sense to us!

If we understand [Bouchette's] logic, the team can hardly expect its remaining developmental OTs to be NFL-ready in time to protect Ben Roethlisberger from violent assault in Cleveland or to open holes for Le’Veon Bell. We agree....

He suggests that the Steelers trade for a capable OT, and we’d like to propose one: Steelers backup QB Landry Jones for Vikings utility tackle Rashod Hill....

Both Jones and Hill are on the last year of their current contracts. The Steelers are unlikely to resign Jones with Mason Rudolph waiting in the wings. It, therefore, makes sense to gamble on losing one more year of his improved play and reliability in exchange for gaining adding insurance toward protecting Ben.

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/09/a-win-win-trade-between-the-steelers-and-vikings-makes-sense-to-us/

[BlackAndGold]

Wonder what Flozell Adams is up to?

[43Hitman]

Wonder what Flozell Adams is up to?

Probably near 5 bills. :chuckle:

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[Cyphon25]

My prediction as things stand right now:

QB - Ben, Jones, Rudolph (3)

Pretty straight forward. Dobbs isn't making it but I do think they will try and keep him on the PS because Jones is probably gone after this season.

RB - Bell, Conner, Toussaint/Ridley, Nix (4)

Haven't really been sold on Samuels since day 1. I would personally pick Toussaint but they seem high on Ridley so it is a tough guess

WR - Brown, JuJu, Washington, DHB, Hunter (5)

The first 4 are locks. Hunter I am not sold on but Tomlin likes him and if Patterson keeps playing at this level he will either bump Hunter or they will keep 6.

TE - McDonald, James, Grimble (3)

Nothing is going to change here unless McDonald is hurt more than we know and they go outside to get a guy.

OL - Villanueva, Foster, Pouncey, Decastro, Gilbert, Okorafor, Finney, Feiler (8)

Again, pretty straight forward. Barring an injury I am not sure anyone else squeezes on

Offense - 23

DL - Tuitt, Hargrave, Heyward, Alualu, Walton, McCullers (6)

The only real question here was who number 6 would be and it looks more and more like McCullers is a new man. Even took some reps with the 1's yesterday

OLB - Watt, Dupree, Chick, Adams, Adeniyi (5)

Maybe the hardest position for me to determine. Nobody is standing out all that much but they have to keep someone right? Huegenin is actually ahead of both but I am not seeing that.

ILB - Williams, Bostic, Red, Fort, Thomas (5)

Haven't really been with keeping 5 here but I think all have shown enough to deserve a spot to this point.

S - Davis, Burnett, Edmunds, Behre (4)

CB - Burns, Haden, Hilton, Sutton, Allen, Sensabaugh (6)

Sensabaugh has been doing work and I already thought he would potentially make it. Now I am pretty certain it will happen.

Defense - 26

ST - Boz, Berry, Canaday (3)

ST - 3


So that puts me at 52. Here are the potentials I would have as the 53


RB - They are giving Samuels every chance to make it but could we get a shocker and they keep both Toussaint and Ridley and put Samuels on the PS? Not sure but one way or the other I think there is a high chance at a 4th RB

WR - Do they like Hunter enough to keep him and add a 6th in Patterson if he continues the trend? Marcus Tucker may become the forgotten man but he did have a nice block and some good ST play. He needs to make some splash on offense though.

S - I know the obvious choice for a lot of people would be Allen but he is WAY down the depth chart. Could this be another place we are surprised and maybe Malik Golden makes it? Basically every safety we have is moe of a SS type and Golden is closer to an FS type. Will be interesting to watch.

[teegre]

Similar to what Cyphon stated, the 53rd spot will come down to Marcus Allen, Damoun Patterson, and Sex Machihe.

[EzraTank]

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[BlackAndGold]

Similar to what Cyphon stated, the 53rd spot will come down to Marcus Allen, Damoun Patterson, and Sex Machihe.

Patterson has the lead. The other two are PS bound unless something changes during the next 3 games.

[Born2Steel]

My prediction as things stand right now:

QB - Ben, Jones, Rudolph (3)

Pretty straight forward. Dobbs isn't making it but I do think they will try and keep him on the PS because Jones is probably gone after this season.

RB - Bell, Conner, Toussaint/Ridley, Nix (4)

Haven't really been sold on Samuels since day 1. I would personally pick Toussaint but they seem high on Ridley so it is a tough guess

WR - Brown, JuJu, Washington, DHB, Hunter (5)

The first 4 are locks. Hunter I am not sold on but Tomlin likes him and if Patterson keeps playing at this level he will either bump Hunter or they will keep 6.

TE - McDonald, James, Grimble (3)

Nothing is going to change here unless McDonald is hurt more than we know and they go outside to get a guy.

OL - Villanueva, Foster, Pouncey, Decastro, Gilbert, Okorafor, Finney, Feiler (8)

Again, pretty straight forward. Barring an injury I am not sure anyone else squeezes on

Offense - 23

DL - Tuitt, Hargrave, Heyward, Alualu, Walton, McCullers (6)

The only real question here was who number 6 would be and it looks more and more like McCullers is a new man. Even took some reps with the 1's yesterday

OLB - Watt, Dupree, Chick, Adams, Adeniyi (5)

Maybe the hardest position for me to determine. Nobody is standing out all that much but they have to keep someone right? Huegenin is actually ahead of both but I am not seeing that.

ILB - Williams, Bostic, Red, Fort, Thomas (5)

Haven't really been with keeping 5 here but I think all have shown enough to deserve a spot to this point.

S - Davis, Burnett, Edmunds, Behre (4)

CB - Burns, Haden, Hilton, Sutton, Allen, Sensabaugh (6)

Sensabaugh has been doing work and I already thought he would potentially make it. Now I am pretty certain it will happen.

Defense - 26

ST - Boz, Berry, Canaday (3)

ST - 3


So that puts me at 52. Here are the potentials I would have as the 53


RB - They are giving Samuels every chance to make it but could we get a shocker and they keep both Toussaint and Ridley and put Samuels on the PS? Not sure but one way or the other I think there is a high chance at a 4th RB

WR - Do they like Hunter enough to keep him and add a 6th in Patterson if he continues the trend? Marcus Tucker may become the forgotten man but he did have a nice block and some good ST play. He needs to make some splash on offense though.

S - I know the obvious choice for a lot of people would be Allen but he is WAY down the depth chart. Could this be another place we are surprised and maybe Malik Golden makes it? Basically every safety we have is moe of a SS type and Golden is closer to an FS type. Will be interesting to watch.

Solid. Don't forget Hodges in that TE battle also. And if Henderson is going to make the 53, most analysts say it will be as the returner.

[steelreserve]

Similar to what Cyphon stated, the 53rd spot will come down to Marcus Allen, Damoun Patterson, and Sex Machihe.

Who's that? He should make it based on that alone if you ask me.

[Cyphon25]

Solid. Don't forget Hodges in that TE battle also. And if Henderson is going to make the 53, most analysts say it will be as the returner.

Well I don't really think there is a battle at TE unless it is for a PS spot. The 3 are locks unless there is an injury.

Henderson I would put at 0% chance at making the roster. There is very little value in a return man (what did he have, 1 KR and 2 downed punts or something?) and he gets no burn on offense.

[Born2Steel]

Well I don't really think there is a battle at TE unless it is for a PS spot. The 3 are locks unless there is an injury.

Henderson I would put at 0% chance at making the roster. There is very little value in a return man (what did he have, 1 KR and 2 downed punts or something?) and he gets no burn on offense.

I think Grimble and Hodges will battle for that 3rd spot. I remember Grimble was sent home for being out of shape one TC, maybe it was 2 but I know once. AND he is used very sparingly anyway. Hodges apparently has zero skill as a blocker with no desire to learn any. But he is productive as a pass catcher. I think one of them falls off and one sticks. If McGee were healthy I think he would beat them both for the 3rd spot.

Probably right about Henderson. I just read and hear talk of him making a spot as the KR and PR. Guess we'll have to see.

[tube517]

Who's that? He should make it based on that alone if you ask me.

Josh Frazier (#69)

[Dwinsgames]

as I said in another thread , Rudolph was getting time with the 1's and 2's ahead of Jones yesterday at camp , its up to you what you might read into that

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I think Grimble and Hodges will battle for that 3rd spot. I remember Grimble was sent home for being out of shape one TC, maybe it was 2 but I know once. AND he is used very sparingly anyway. Hodges apparently has zero skill as a blocker with no desire to learn any. But he is productive as a pass catcher. I think one of them falls off and one sticks. If McGee were healthy I think he would beat them both for the 3rd spot.

Probably right about Henderson. I just read and hear talk of him making a spot as the KR and PR. Guess we'll have to see.

Hodges is a specimen , he is so much bigger than AB and just as fast ( not as quick ) spent a lot of time lingering around Ben trying to learn what the QB likes/wants ... that said he did attempt to block in drills , was not great at it but he was making effort

Henderson muffed a punt at camp yesterday , those little mistakes even in a practice setting stick in the minds of coaches , he certainly didn't do himself any favors because if he is to make the roster it WILL be for his special teams value

[steelreserve]

Josh Frazier (#69)

Oh. That's much less exciting. I thought there might have been some funny play on words with his name, or better yet maybe he'd been in a porno. Well, I don't care about that anymore.

[Cyphon25]

I think Grimble and Hodges will battle for that 3rd spot. I remember Grimble was sent home for being out of shape one TC, maybe it was 2 but I know once. AND he is used very sparingly anyway. Hodges apparently has zero skill as a blocker with no desire to learn any. But he is productive as a pass catcher. I think one of them falls off and one sticks. If McGee were healthy I think he would beat them both for the 3rd spot.

Probably right about Henderson. I just read and hear talk of him making a spot as the KR and PR. Guess we'll have to see.

I guess I could concede to an outside shot for Hodges but I would put it at like 15% chance. He is coming in late and having to learn the system and is basically competing against a similar type so he doesn't necessarily offer anything different. Grimble is that sort of big play every once in awhile guy that has never found consistency but he does know the system and the Steelers seem to like him. I think you are right about McGee but I am mainly going by the Depot reports of him being a strong blocker. I think that is something the Steelers would go for.

[GoSlash27]

as I said in another thread , Rudolph was getting time with the 1's and 2's ahead of Jones yesterday at camp , its up to you what you might read into that

Personally, I read absolutely nothing into that. A) Shuffling players into the #1 squad is just part of the evaluation process and B) Rudolph isn't competing with Jones for the backup QB slot.

Best,
-Slashy

[BlackAndGold]

Hodges is a specimen , he is so much bigger than AB and just as fast ( not as quick ) spent a lot of time lingering around Ben trying to learn what the QB likes/wants ... that said he did attempt to block in drills , was not great at it but he was making effort

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[Dwinsgames]

Personally, I read absolutely nothing into that. A) Shuffling players into the #1 squad is just part of the evaluation process and B) Rudolph isn't competing with Jones for the backup QB slot.

Best,
-Slashy

I wouldn't count on it ...

the more work he gets with the 1's the more apt he is to over take Jones ( really shouldn't be that hard to do as Jones just isn't good )



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[Dwinsgames]

and like I posted in the Dobbs thread , this may not be directed at the Steelers but the premise stands here too ( or should anyways )


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[tube517]

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Grimble has a thumb injury