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Cyphon25
04-29-2018, 07:46 PM
Link to the full list of draft results for easy reference - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_NFL_Draft

So they do this is over at SD and I think it is a blast so thought I would bring it here for everyone to have some fun with as well. The rules are simple, you are the Steelers GM and we go back through the draft and you get to make the selections for the Steelers. You can't pick anyone that was taken before the Steelers current pick or after the Steelers next pick. To give an example if you are picking at 28th you are not allowed to take Sam Darnold because he was off the board when it was your turn to pick and you can't take anyone they picked after James Washington.

I did mine already and will just copy and paste it here. Before anyone calls me out I kind of broke the rules with mine because I felt very strongly we should have traded out of the first round. I took the Ravens trade with the Packers and pretended we would have gotten the same deal. That ensured that I wasn't just making up details and getting all of these magical picks. After that I just ran the board as it was because we never know what kind of butterfly effect it would have had had the Steelers traded and not taken Edmunds.



Round 1 - Trade back with the Ravens and receive the 52nd overall pick and the 125th overall pick.

Round 2 (52nd pick) - Justin Reid - I like Terrell Edmunds but my biggest beef was that I didn't love the value. We know safeties ended up dropping some so I feel like you could have gotten a safety you loved in a later round. Most specifically Justin Reid who is who I wanted (and I know we are only supposed to take guys BETWEEN selections but since I got rid of our first this would end up being our first pick)

Round 2 (60th pick) - James Washington - Back on track with the rules here I had very few choices for a change between 52 and 60. I have a feeling I will love James Washington but again, I don't love the value for a guy you know will be know more than a number 3 guy in the 2nd round. I wont pretend that I watched all of the receivers but I have to imagine you could find some good number 3's scattered in rounds 3-7. Particularly because I put that much faith in the Steelers drafting WR's. In any case, I will take Washington here because of the rules. Otherwise there would have been a different choice.

Round 3 (76th pick) - Mason Rudolph - I may not be in the majority here but of the first 4 picks this is the only one where I was happy with the value. This is a guy they had a first round grade on they were able to get in the third for a 7th round pick. I'll take that all day every day. Bens future is never certain despite what he says so there is that to consider as well. What makes this even better in my draft is that I traded back so this feels even less like a luxury because we have the picks to use.

Round 3 (92nd pick) - Josey Jewell - Anyone here who reads my posts knows I was a big fan of Jewell. Great instincts, good tackler, highly productive, and seems like a good citizen as well. I know some question the athleticism because of the 40 time but he had one of the best 3 cones at the combine and the way I see it was he could be a good Mack or a great Buck. I would have LOVED this pick. Instead we get a project OT when you can get projects in the 5th, 6th, 7th and as UDFA's.

Round 4 (125th pick) - Micah Kiser - Another one of my favorite ILB's and a pure buck. Truth be told after Jewell this is much less of a need but I didn't like anyone between my Jewell pick and Allen in the 5th. High character and high production makes it worth the double dip with a "free" pick in the 4th.

Round 5 (148th pick) - Ogbonnio Okoronkwo - I said throughout the process that he was ONLY going to be good as a pass rush specialist and I wasn't especially fond of his effort. That being said, we are in the 5th round and picked up Duprees 5th year so this is exactly the kind of spot you take a guy like him because the value can be huge. Don't hate the Allen pick but already got Reid in round 2.

Round 5 (165th pick) - Jaylen Samuels - I actually really liked this pick. Not the best evaluation technique but I just loved how smooth this guys hands looked at the combine. The best pure catcher of any TE there. Haven't seen any tape but I like the position flexibility and potential here.

Round 7 (246th pick) - Brett Toth - A guard/tackle prospect I mentioned a couple of times leading up to the draft. Again, not someone I watched but reading up on him he is an athletic guy and the Steelers love linemen they can move and he is a high effort guy from army. He ultimately didn't even get drafted so this may be a 'reach' but in the 7th it is forgiveable for a guy like this.

Dwinsgames
04-29-2018, 08:53 PM
I have indulged in this sort of thing before making believe I am smarter than the guys getting paid to do this with far more hours invested than any 1 man could ever begin to put in if he did it 20 hours a day 365 days a year and the even bigger problem is 4 years from now 65% of the guys drafted this past weekend will not be in the NFL so even if you are right about 1 that they got wrong they will probably get 2 that you miss ....

Justin Reid IMO was NEVER in their plans , word is he will be like his brother in regards to protests and the Steelers simply do not want anything like that going on ...they decided as a team how they would handle it and they want no detractors

but hey knock yourself out ....
it can be fun but exhausting and fruitless

hawaiiansteeler
04-29-2018, 09:01 PM
Round 1 - Trade back with the Ravens and receive the 52nd overall pick and the 125th overall pick.


our 1(28) pick is worth 660 points
pick 2(52) = 380 pts and 4(125) is worth 47 pts for a total of 427 points
380 + 47 = 427 points

Ozzie ripped you off, Baltimore needs to also at least throw in their 3(83) pick worth 175 points to make this trade.

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

Born2Steel
04-29-2018, 09:36 PM
Well since you make it sound so fun, I think I will give it a go. I'm looking for a different guy I would rather have selected or what's the point, right.

I choose to keep the same picks as the Steeler's actual draft.

RD1(28): Harold Landry. One of my favorite guys on the board actually. A specialist at getting after the QB.

RD2(60): DJ Chark. I'm a fan of taking WR here but in the spirit of re-doing the draft, going with Chark over Washington.

RD3(76): Oren Burks. Really 2 ILBs that could have been taken here. Burks is more polished and NFL ready than Jefferson, IMO. Honestly though, Rudolph is probably the best pick here.

RD3(92): Tarvarius Moore. Still some good safeties on the board here. Harrison, and White also considered. Went with the speedy ballhawk true FS though.

RD5(148): Scott Quessenberry. A Center to eventually replace Pouncey. Has NFL bloodlines. Also considered Fumagalli here.

RD5(165): Mike White. I thought White played well enough to go higher than the 5th round. Very good and under-rated QB, IMO.

RD7(246): Joshua Frazier. Obviously I like Frazier here, I took him in my mock.


I don't think this exercise means I believe I'm "smarter" than the guys that get paid to do it. It's just fans indulging in what we love. Had I chosen this as a career path, who knows how "smart" I could be at it. But I didn't so I do this for the fun and the hell of it. I don't think belittling people for enjoying things you don't enjoy means much either.

Dwinsgames
04-29-2018, 09:40 PM
I don't think belittling people for enjoying things you don't enjoy means much either.


FWIW

I wasn't belittling if that was directed towards me...

do a search back a couple years and you will see I started a similar thread ....

just pointing out what I have come to realize in the interim

BlackAndGold
04-29-2018, 10:05 PM
1. Mason Rudolph
2. James Washinton
3. Terrell Edmunds
3. Chukwuma Okorafo
5. Marcus Allen
5. Jaylen Samuels
7. Joshua Frazier

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3ornjRzK435CxNB1pC/200.gif

Cyphon25
04-29-2018, 10:46 PM
but hey knock yourself out ....
it can be fun but exhausting and fruitless

If it is exhausting you are doing it wrong and everything we talk about on here is essentially pointless or fruitless. Yet here we are with accounts we took time to make and responding to each other about stuff that ultimately doesn't matter.


our 1(28) pick is worth 660 points
pick 2(52) = 380 pts and 4(125) is worth 47 pts for a total of 427 points
380 + 47 = 427 points

Ozzie ripped you off, Baltimore needs to also at least throw in their 3(83) pick worth 175 points to make this trade.

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

While there is truth that our pick was more valuable to the Eagles I was already kind of circumventing the rules to this excercise so I didn't want to add in more variables that didn't exist. So I just took a trade we knew happened and applied it for the Steelers. Plus we could go down a rabbit hole of "the reason we couldn't trade back is because it would have been too expensive for the Ravens" and things of that nature.

And if I am being honest I would have taken less deserved value in a trade back because we still get our guy and more picks. Obviously you don't take a 10 foot pole in the butt just to grab an extra pick but a few points on a chart doesn't bother me too much.

hawaiiansteeler
04-29-2018, 10:50 PM
RD1(28): Harold Landry. One of my favorite guys on the board actually. A specialist at getting after the QB.


I'll go with Harold Landry also because he provided so much value where he was picked but I'll trade down with Denver to pick him one spot ahead of where Tennessee chose him:

1(28) = 660 points
2(40) + 3(99) + 4(113) = 500 + 104 + 68 for a total of 672 points


RD1(28): Harold Landry DE/OLB

RD2(60):James Washington WR

RD3(76): Mason Rudolph QB

RD3(92): Ronnie Harrison S

RD3(99): Josey Jewell ILB

RD4(113): Will Dissly TE

RD5(148): Marcus Allen S

RD5(165): Jaylen Samuels RB

RD7(246): Joshua Frazier NT/DT

teegre
04-30-2018, 06:23 AM
If the Steelers are truly going to switch to having at least 5 DBs on the field the vast majority of the time, then I’ll stick with that in my re-draft. If you want a hybrid SS/ILB, then why not acquire THE player who has not only already played that role, but head & shoulders better than any other hybrid in this draft: Derwin James.

Trading up for James would mean not needing Edmunds nor Allen.

Oh... and, I’d obviously take Kyle Lauletta. :nod:

R1: trade up for Derwin James
R2: Washington, WR
R3: traded
R3: Lauletta, QB
R5: traded
R5: Samuels, H-back
R7: Frazier, NT

Texasteel
04-30-2018, 07:22 AM
If the Steelers are truly going to switch to having at least 5 DBs on the field the vast majority of the time, then I’ll stick with that in my re-draft. If you want a hybrid SS/ILB, then why not acquire THE player who has not only already played that role, but head & shoulders better than any other hybrid in this draft: Derwin James.

Trading up for James would mean not needing Edmunds nor Allen.

Oh... and, I’d obviously take Kyle Lauletta. :nod:

R1: trade up for Derwin James
R2: Washington, WR
R3: traded
R3: Lauletta, QB
R5: traded
R5: Samuels, H-back
R7: Frazier, NT


I love this one teeg. The problem with planing on trades are, you have to have a teem on the other end,,, without giving up to much.

Cyphon25
04-30-2018, 09:22 AM
If the Steelers are truly going to switch to having at least 5 DBs on the field the vast majority of the time, then I’ll stick with that in my re-draft. If you want a hybrid SS/ILB, then why not acquire THE player who has not only already played that role, but head & shoulders better than any other hybrid in this draft: Derwin James.

Trading up for James would mean not needing Edmunds nor Allen.

Oh... and, I’d obviously take Kyle Lauletta. :nod:

R1: trade up for Derwin James
R2: Washington, WR
R3: traded
R3: Lauletta, QB
R5: traded
R5: Samuels, H-back
R7: Frazier, NT

My only beef with this is if that would have been enough to trade up and which team it would have been. Is there a close scenario in the draft to this one? I can't remember all of the first round trades.

Mojouw
04-30-2018, 03:23 PM
Let's see, I would've ended up with something like this:

1.28 - Edmunds. I don't know, this pick just keeps growing on me. As athletic as Reid and Bates with more size. With no ILB I really love here, I gotta go safety, so why not?
2.60 - James Washington - this pick just explains itself.
3.76 - Mason Rudolph - Value and long-term payoff potential and makes it hard to move off this pick.
3.92 - Josh Sweat Edge - pass rush help and maybe future OLB starter
5.151 - Genard Avery ILB - Swap out Avery for Allen. If you want a LB, draft a LB?
5.165 - Deshean Elliot S - I actually like the Samuels pick, but for the sack of being different, try taking a combo safety here who does more safety things than Marcus Allen.
7 - J. Frazier -- why not? Shows some faith in the new DL coach.