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Shoes
03-28-2018, 01:26 PM
While the Pittsburgh Steelers may have put contract negotiations with running back Le’Veon Bell on hold until after the 2018 NFL Draft is over, the team is still expected to try to get him signed to a long-term extension prior to this year’s July 16 deadline. For now, however, the two sides seem to be far apart on an average yearly value for the running back, according to Aditi Kinkhabwala of the NFL Network.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/03/report-leveon-bell-wants-antonio-brown-money-17-million-per-season/

Dwinsgames
03-28-2018, 01:48 PM
and at cbs....

I say time to tell his agent go ahead and seek a trade we are fed up with his nonsense

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/leveon-bell-reportedly-wants-17-million-a-year-which-is-what-antonio-brown-makes/

Mojouw
03-28-2018, 02:20 PM
and at cbs....

I say time to tell his agent go ahead and seek a trade we are fed up with his nonsense

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/leveon-bell-reportedly-wants-17-million-a-year-which-is-what-antonio-brown-makes/

Once again, seeking a trade is essentially impossible.

Once a player is designated as tagged with the exclusive franchise level, other teams are not allowed to negotiate or even talk with the player or his representatives.

Further, unless someone can tell me different, a player can not be traded until they sign the franchise tender. Bell has not signed and most likely will not sign until after training camp.

The funniest part about all these reports is it just shows how not smart NFL players are and how their agents totally uninterested in correcting them. If Bell is focused on the average annual value and not the length or the guarantees in the contract, well the Steelers could likely con him good if they wanted.

Make it a 5 year deal. Throw a big roster bonus at him, some signing bonus, and then put a bunch of funny money in the thing in years 4 and 5. Boom! Average annual value gets pumped up to some ludicrous target # and Bell never actual sees most of it.

AB's is kinda janky because of the restructure. But that is basically what they did with his contract -- http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

Focusing on APY is such a short sighted dumb move. Guaranteed cash is the ONLY thing that matters in NFL contracts. When will these idiots learn that?

Agents are no help because their percentage rake comes off the top of the computed and projected total value of the deal. So they have no problem with talking their clients into funny money deals.

hawaiiansteeler
03-28-2018, 02:28 PM
Agents are no help because their percentage rake comes off the top of the computed and projected total value of the deal. So they have no problem with talking their clients into funny money deals.

Bell's agent reportedly wanted Bell to accept the Steelers' contract offer last season...

steel striker
03-28-2018, 02:32 PM
Not happening

Mojouw
03-28-2018, 02:49 PM
Bell's agent reportedly wanted Bell to accept the Steelers' contract offer last season...

THat's right! Forgot about that.

Anyway, I still argue that trading Bell is impossible/improbable and not really worth talking about. Bell is not thinking about the whole thing right. Steelers should actually laugh this all off and put some ludicrous funny money deal on the table with a low guarantee that would allow Bell to crow about his per year take and then the team has an escape hatch after about 3 years and Bell never sees 50% or so of the contract value.

Dwinsgames
03-28-2018, 02:51 PM
Once again, seeking a trade is essentially impossible.

Once a player is designated as tagged with the exclusive franchise level, other teams are not allowed to negotiate or even talk with the player or his representatives.

Further, unless someone can tell me different, a player can not be traded until they sign the franchise tender. Bell has not signed and most likely will not sign until after training camp.

The funniest part about all these reports is it just shows how not smart NFL players are and how their agents totally uninterested in correcting them. If Bell is focused on the average annual value and not the length or the guarantees in the contract, well the Steelers could likely con him good if they wanted.

Make it a 5 year deal. Throw a big roster bonus at him, some signing bonus, and then put a bunch of funny money in the thing in years 4 and 5. Boom! Average annual value gets pumped up to some ludicrous target # and Bell never actual sees most of it.

AB's is kinda janky because of the restructure. But that is basically what they did with his contract -- http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

Focusing on APY is such a short sighted dumb move. Guaranteed cash is the ONLY thing that matters in NFL contracts. When will these idiots learn that?

Agents are no help because their percentage rake comes off the top of the computed and projected total value of the deal. So they have no problem with talking their clients into funny money deals.


the word of the rule says they can not , that said rules are not always followed and there have been instances where it has happened so a precedent is already in place ...

Jarvis Laundry per example .....

I know we see this quite differently and that is fine but at the end of the day I do not want a guy like him on the roster , he will sit out all of camp and suck ass when he returns for 3 or 4 weeks ( 1/4 of the season ) all the while being paid a kings ransom ...no thanks

Mojouw
03-28-2018, 03:11 PM
the word of the rule says they can not , that said rules are not always followed and there have been instances where it has happened so a precedent is already in place ...

Jarvis Laundry per example .....

I know we see this quite differently and that is fine but at the end of the day I do not want a guy like him on the roster , he will sit out all of camp and suck ass when he returns for 3 or 4 weeks ( 1/4 of the season ) all the while being paid a kings ransom ...no thanks

Landry singed his tender and then was traded a week later. Additionally he was traded for a 4th and a 7th.

Don't mistake my arguments for a definitive statement of opinion. I am simply pointing out that trading Bell is borderline impossible for any return and highly improbable for anything less than pesos on the dollar.

Point being, there is almost no reason to spin fantasy trade scenarios because it simply isn't going to happen. The only real speculation is how the Steelers proceed towards replacing Bell once they believe that contract negotiations have past the point of no return - something the team may already feel has happened.

I think that we all need to take a lesson from Michael Corleone here -- this isn't personal, it is just business. Separate emotional responses from the logic of the situation.

Bluecoat96
03-28-2018, 03:11 PM
I like Aditi Kikibwala. See seems like a generally nice person. That being said, I personally take what she reports with a grain of salt. If I'm not mistaken, she's been pretty wrong about supposed Steelers inside scoops before. Her report about Leveon would not surprise me in the least if it turned out to be true.

I wonder if that sensitive little bitch Jamison Hensley still stalks this message board. Man, I could sure get under his sissy crybaby skin.

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st33lersguy
03-28-2018, 03:14 PM
If bell really thinks he's worth $17 million then,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUB-wjXUREE

Dwinsgames
03-28-2018, 03:38 PM
Landry singed his tender and then was traded a week later. Additionally he was traded for a 4th and a 7th.

Don't mistake my arguments for a definitive statement of opinion. I am simply pointing out that trading Bell is borderline impossible for any return and highly improbable for anything less than pesos on the dollar.

Point being, there is almost no reason to spin fantasy trade scenarios because it simply isn't going to happen. The only real speculation is how the Steelers proceed towards replacing Bell once they believe that contract negotiations have past the point of no return - something the team may already feel has happened.

I think that we all need to take a lesson from Michael Corleone here -- this isn't personal, it is just business. Separate emotional responses from the logic of the situation.

do you honestly believe a team can not say to his players agent , try and find a better deal and let us know .... or a team can not say to a player you have our word we will shop you to a team willing to meet your contract demands but can only do so if you sign the tag ...

I mean the Jarvis Laundry deal was stated the day he signed the tag that a trade is probable .... do you think they had not discussed that prior as incentive to sign ?

forget the return on what they got for Jarvis while a very good player was not the top player at his craft ...

I am in no way saying we get a 1st or 2nd round pick for Bell but if we could get a top 5 in round 3 that is moving up significantly from what we would get via a comp pick a year later ....and you removed a HUGE distraction from the locker room saved a ton of cap space ( that part of can be floated forward easing next years cap or handing out an ext or two ) and draft a kid that wants to be here .....

is it a perfect solution NO..... but with Bell its probably as close to perfect as we are ever going to get , million dollar talent with a 10 cent head



edit just seen this ... is it right ?? I won't pretend to know
The exclusive tag means that player cannot negotiate with any other teams once the team applies it. The team owns that player’s rights as if they were under any contract so the team can trade them or resend the tag, but the player is stuck. The only choice the player has is whether to sign the contract or not. If they don’t sign it then they must sit out the entire season as they can’t negotiate with other teams until the start of the next football year.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/02/20/nfl-franchise-tag-how-it-works-explanation-chiefs-dontari-poe-eric-berry/

Mojouw
03-28-2018, 03:50 PM
do you honestly believe a team can not say to his players agent , try and find a better deal and let us know .... or a team can not say to a player you have our word we will shop you to a team willing to meet your contract demands but can only do so if you sign the tag ...

I mean the Jarvis Laundry deal was stated the day he signed the tag that a trade is probable .... do you think they had not discussed that prior as incentive to sign ?

forget the return on what they got for Jarvis while a very good player was not the top player at his craft ...

I am in no way saying we get a 1st or 2nd round pick for Bell but if we could get a top 5 in round 3 that is moving up significantly from what we would get via a comp pick a year later ....and you removed a HUGE distraction from the locker room saved a ton of cap space ( that part of can be floated forward easing next years cap or handing out an ext or two ) and draft a kid that wants to be here .....

is it a perfect solution NO..... but with Bell its probably as close to perfect as we are ever going to get , million dollar talent with a 10 cent head

Like I said, I do not see any scenario where all the moving parts for a trade to come together happen. Additionally, the kinda skirting of the letter of the law that sending an agent out to arrange a deal is not really the current Steelers front office's M.O.

Again, this is where I struggle with entire conversation. You seem to be saying that Bell is the top player at his position; therefore worth a greater return than Jarvis Landry. And that someone would give up a top 5 pick in the 3rd round. So that means one of these teams:

Round 3 Pick (overall)
1 (65). Buffalo Bills (http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF) from Cleveland Browns
2 (66). New York Giants
3 (67). Indianapolis Colts
4 (68). Houston Texans
5 (69). New York Giants (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) from Tampa Bay Buccaneers

The only teams that I could see Bell wanting to go to of that grouping is the Giants and the Texans. Giants are likely out because why would they take Bell on while staring down the barrel of the ODB situation? So it is the Texans. Again, I do not see the incentive from the Texans POV? Sure they have the cap space, but why pay the Steelers a draft pick to get their hands on a guy they could just sign in FA in another season.

I mean you are right, stranger NFL things have happened. But unless Colbert and company simply decide to convince Bell to go somewhere to get his $$$ and then take about a bag of used mouthguards back for him...

Dwinsgames
03-28-2018, 03:58 PM
jump back up and see the edit ( after your quote ) ...

I do not have the time or the interest to research it for validity , maybe you do

Mojouw
03-28-2018, 04:07 PM
jump back up and see the edit ( after your quote ) ...

I do not have the time or the interest to research it for validity , maybe you do

That would certainly change everything...

SteelerFanInStl
03-28-2018, 04:14 PM
I like Aditi Kikibwala. See seems like a generally nice person. That being said, I personally take what she reports with a grain of salt. If I'm not mistaken, she's been pretty wrong about supposed Steelers inside scoops before. Her report about Leveon would not surprise me in the least if it turned out to be true.

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Aditi is about the only NFL reporter that I follow on Twitter because the rest constantly tweet a bunch of shit just to create drama. Aditi tweets things that she has first hand knowledge of and doesn't just try to stir up shit. When was she wrong about something she posted about the Steelers? I don't recall that happening. You also have to allow for the fact that things change so even if the team/player are talking about something specific, they could change their stance the next day.

If Le'Veon is indeed wanting AB money, then he's going to have to get it somewhere else. Personally I think that a HB that does as much as he does should be paid as much as a top WR but that's just not how the NFL currently values RBs.

AtlantaDan
03-28-2018, 04:34 PM
Aditi is about the only NFL reporter that I follow on Twitter because the rest constantly tweet a bunch of shit just to create drama. Aditi tweets things that she has first hand knowledge of and doesn't just try to stir up shit. When was she wrong about something she posted about the Steelers? I don't recall that happening.

She stirred up shit that was blatantly wrong in the AFC championship loss to the Pats and had to apologize for it


"I was sitting with Hines Ward ... we were sitting next to each other last night, DeAngelo Williams (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/423714/deangelo-williams) scores the Steelers first touchdown. Antonio Brown was wide open in the back of the end zone and he pouted. Guys, he pouted! His team just scored a touchdown and he was upset that he was wide open and Roethlisberger didn't go to him. Roethlisberger was then waiting on the sideline, Brown was the last player off the field. Roethlisberger had to talk to him.

"Instead of those minutes next to Todd Haley ... he had to sit and worry about Antonio Brown's ego."



https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-reportedly-irked-by-antonio-brown-pouting-in-loss-to-patriots/

823979767498244096

Antonio Brown (https://247sports.com/Player/Antonio-Brown-75967) received an apology from NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabwala after she reported that Brown pouted after DeAngelo Williams (https://247sports.com/Player/DeAngelo-Williams-51313)' touchdown in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.

Kinkhabwala said that she "conflated plays" while praising Brown's work ethic on Twitter on Wednesday.

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/NFL-Network-reporter-apologizes-to-Antonio-Brown-50806767

Bluecoat96
03-28-2018, 04:50 PM
She stirred up shit that was blatantly wrong in the AFC championship loss to the Pats and had to apologize for it


"I was sitting with Hines Ward ... we were sitting next to each other last night, DeAngelo Williams (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/423714/deangelo-williams) scores the Steelers first touchdown. Antonio Brown was wide open in the back of the end zone and he pouted. Guys, he pouted! His team just scored a touchdown and he was upset that he was wide open and Roethlisberger didn't go to him. Roethlisberger was then waiting on the sideline, Brown was the last player off the field. Roethlisberger had to talk to him.

"Instead of those minutes next to Todd Haley ... he had to sit and worry about Antonio Brown's ego."



https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-reportedly-irked-by-antonio-brown-pouting-in-loss-to-patriots/

823979767498244096

Antonio Brown (https://247sports.com/Player/Antonio-Brown-75967) received an apology from NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabwala after she reported that Brown pouted after DeAngelo Williams (https://247sports.com/Player/DeAngelo-Williams-51313)' touchdown in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.

Kinkhabwala said that she "conflated plays" while praising Brown's work ethic on Twitter on Wednesday.

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/NFL-Network-reporter-apologizes-to-Antonio-Brown-50806767That's what I was thinking about. I feel like there was something else...maybe...I'm currently listening to my toddler run around the house with a fart gun. I'm a little distracted at the moment. Lol

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SteelerFanInStl
03-28-2018, 05:27 PM
She stirred up shit that was blatantly wrong in the AFC championship loss to the Pats and had to apologize for it

"I was sitting with Hines Ward ... we were sitting next to each other last night, DeAngelo Williams (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/423714/deangelo-williams) scores the Steelers first touchdown. Antonio Brown was wide open in the back of the end zone and he pouted. Guys, he pouted! His team just scored a touchdown and he was upset that he was wide open and Roethlisberger didn't go to him. Roethlisberger was then waiting on the sideline, Brown was the last player off the field. Roethlisberger had to talk to him.

"Instead of those minutes next to Todd Haley ... he had to sit and worry about Antonio Brown's ego."



https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-reportedly-irked-by-antonio-brown-pouting-in-loss-to-patriots/

823979767498244096

Antonio Brown (https://247sports.com/Player/Antonio-Brown-75967) received an apology from NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabwala after she reported that Brown pouted after DeAngelo Williams (https://247sports.com/Player/DeAngelo-Williams-51313)' touchdown in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.

Kinkhabwala said that she "conflated plays" while praising Brown's work ethic on Twitter on Wednesday.

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Bolt/NFL-Network-reporter-apologizes-to-Antonio-Brown-50806767

At least she owned up to it and apologized. That's more than what most would do.

teegre
03-28-2018, 05:39 PM
Like I’ve said in other threads...

Bell will NOT sign ANY long-term deal with the Steelers. He will play this season (maybe only 6 games, but he’ll play)... and then he WILL get $20 million/season from someone as a free agent in 2019.

Fire Goodell
03-28-2018, 06:05 PM
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Le'Veon Bell wants AB money, good luck. I wish we tagged him nonexclusive to allow other teams to bid for him (nobody would).

See, the thing is, if AB was tagged non-exclusive, teams would bite. He's the best at his position and I can see teams giving up 2 1st rounders for him. For Bell? No. He's a product of the system. He's a 'good' running back, but great? No. Great running backs average over 4.0 yards per carry, and can close out games. Bell's success wouldn't be duplicated on another team, try that 'patient' style of running behind a cleveland o-line without Ben / AB / MB / Juju to worry about. He's majorly overrated and not close to being the best RB in the league. He's above average with good blocking / catching skills, but let's be real, he's not making DC's lose sleep with his lack of breakaway speed. It's Ben and AB that gives DC's nightmares, not Bell.

He's already been overpaid last year. I don't know a single skill position player that's been given over $10m/year that doesn't have the threat to break a long gainer. Bell will always get run down, my grandma could run the 40 faster than him

Mojouw
03-28-2018, 06:18 PM
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Le'Veon Bell wants AB money, good luck. I wish we tagged him nonexclusive to allow other teams to bid for him (nobody would).

See, the thing is, if AB was tagged non-exclusive, teams would bite. He's the best at his position and I can see teams giving up 2 1st rounders for him. For Bell? No. He's a product of the system. He's a 'good' running back, but great? No. Great running backs average over 4.0 yards per carry, and can close out games. Bell's success wouldn't be duplicated on another team, try that 'patient' style of running behind a cleveland o-line without Ben / AB / MB / Juju to worry about. He's majorly overrated and not close to being the best RB in the league. He's above average with good blocking / catching skills, but let's be real, he's not making DC's lose sleep with his lack of breakaway speed. It's Ben and AB that gives DC's nightmares, not Bell.

He's already been overpaid last year. I don't know a single skill position player that's been given over $10m/year that doesn't have the threat to break a long gainer. Bell will always get run down, my grandma could run the 40 faster than him

I get not paying him all the $$$$. But I think you are underselling Bell's talent just a tiny bit. Here is a really cool breakdown of what Bell brings to the table that other RBs simply don't. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722672-leveon-bell-deserves-more-than-a-franchise-tag-but-dont-fault-the-steelers

And just to show that I'm trying to consider this from all sides - http://www.tampabay.com/data/2018/02/16/leveon-bell-to-the-bucs-heres-why-tampa-bay-and-others-should-stay-away/ - is a really cool breakdown of Bell's value from another franchise's perspective.

Again, while Bell isn't likely ever going to get what he wants, bending reality to fit a narrative that he really isn't that good or isn't a premium talent at the RB position serves no purpose. It is easily proven false and it doesn't move the discussion past the internet version of angry shouting.

Fire Goodell
03-28-2018, 06:26 PM
I get not paying him all the $$$$. But I think you are underselling Bell's talent just a tiny bit. Here is a really cool breakdown of what Bell brings to the table that other RBs simply don't. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722672-leveon-bell-deserves-more-than-a-franchise-tag-but-dont-fault-the-steelers

And just to show that I'm trying to consider this from all sides - http://www.tampabay.com/data/2018/02/16/leveon-bell-to-the-bucs-heres-why-tampa-bay-and-others-should-stay-away/ - is a really cool breakdown of Bell's value from another franchise's perspective.

Again, while Bell isn't likely ever going to get what he wants, bending reality to fit a narrative that he really isn't that good or isn't a premium talent at the RB position serves no purpose. It is easily proven false and it doesn't move the discussion past the internet version of angry shouting.

I'm not saying he's a bum, but I don't think this guy instills fear in defenses like say, Jamaal Charles or Terrell Davis in his prime. He's good. A dominant player? No. Even on that link, it says they aren't sure if he's worth that ridiculous price tag.

In any case. Franchise tag him, run him till the wheels fall off and cut ties after this season. Taking a page from Bell himself, hey it's business, right? :chuckle:

Mojouw
03-28-2018, 06:42 PM
I'm not saying he's a bum, but I don't think this guy instills fear in defenses like say, Jamaal Charles or Terrell Davis in his prime. He's good. A dominant player? No. Even on that link, it says they aren't sure if he's worth that ridiculous price tag.

In any case. Franchise tag him, run him till the wheels fall off and cut ties after this season. Taking a page from Bell himself, hey it's business, right? :chuckle:

I think Bell does scare the crap out of defensive coordinators. This from the previously linked article:

"In a recent article for The Players' Tribune (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-shazier-the-5-toughest-guys-ive-ever-faced/) in which he listed the five toughest players he's ever gone against in practice or on the field, Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier included Bell, writing:
"Any other running back motions out? As a defense, you're thinking: OK, cool. But you're not hurting us. Most linebackers will just jam the running back at the line and they're done. But you're not jamming [Bell]. [He] can hurt you like any top slot receiver.

"I can't stress enough how much this matters. All week long, we watch film for like three or four hours a day. By the time Sunday rolls around, no matter how creative a team tries to get, you pretty much know the sets. You know what they like to run. But if you can flex out a guy like Le'Veon on the fly? It puts you on the back foot.""

Bell's production is not the only thing that can scare defenses. Like Shazier is saying, Bell's flexibility in roles, the multiple ways he can seriously cause severe mismatches, he just tilts the field towards the offenses favor. Kind of like how the fact that few DBs in the league can run stride for stride with Bryant. Just having him run a "Go" route makes life easier for other players on the offense. Bell is the ultimate Swiss Army knife for an offense. There is almost no gameplan that Bell can't poke at least a few holes in by shifting into the slot, running up the middle, whatever. He will create a mismatch against both base and sub packages. There are so few players that can do that. Simply having the defense responding to the offense and being able to dictate the terms of each play is an enormous value.

The game is far more than who runs the fastest.

All that being said, stick to your top offer, if he doesn't agree just play out the franchise tag and wish him well.

Shoes
03-28-2018, 07:16 PM
Like I’ve said in other threads...

Bell will NOT sign ANY long-term deal with the Steelers. He will play this season (maybe only 6 games, but he’ll play)... and then he WILL get $20 million/season from someone as a free agent in 2019.


Colbert just needs to find a way to make him miserable. :chuckle:

teegre
03-28-2018, 07:38 PM
Colbert just needs to find a way to make him miserable. :chuckle:

Trade him to Cleveland. :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8&app=desktop

Shoes
03-28-2018, 07:53 PM
Trade him to Cleveland. :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8&app=desktop


NY wants at least two R1 picks for Beckham, we could trade Bell to the Browns for a R7 comp pick. That should piss him off.

st33lersguy
03-28-2018, 08:18 PM
Trade him to Cleveland. :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8&app=desktop

"You are a factory of sadness" is classic

Dwinsgames
03-29-2018, 09:17 AM
https://twitter.com/TommyJaggi/status/979116628691517440

steelreserve
03-29-2018, 11:13 AM
He doesn't want $17M, if he's offered that he wants $18M. If he's offered $18M he wants $20M. I really think he thrives on the drama. Big money drama. Big baller. Big rapper. The dude is gone, forget it.

Steeldude
03-29-2018, 12:21 PM
I thought the consensus on here was saying Bell wouldn't ask for that much per season?

Tag him. I wouldn't give him any contract over a year unless it's cheap.

teegre
03-29-2018, 12:26 PM
He doesn't want $17M, if he's offered that he wants $18M. If he's offered $18M he wants $20M. I really think he thrives on the drama. Big money drama. Big baller. Big rapper. The dude is gone, forget it.


:nod: 100%

Neversatisfied
03-29-2018, 02:18 PM
This organization is full of drama, what happened to being a selfless person?? Oh it's 2018 I forgot

steelreserve
03-29-2018, 03:37 PM
This organization is full of drama, what happened to being a selfless person?? Oh it's 2018 I forgot

I don't expect people to be "selfless" when it comes to money; I mean, anyone would want the best deal they could get, or at least a fair one.

What I would expect is not to be an idiot about it, and Bell-Einstein doesn't even clear that relatively low bar - whether we're talking about the negotiations themselves, the drama he piles on top of it, or the "holdout-when-a-holdout-can't-even-gain-you-anything," or in other words, throwing a shit fit like a small child.

Dwinsgames
03-29-2018, 04:57 PM
Big Ben 23 mil+ against the cap in 2019 ..AB 2019 cap hit 22 mil + if you paid bell 17mill ( like this week he says he wants /will be more next week ) you would have 63 million a year tied up in 3 roster spots in 2019 (177 million for the team based on 2018 cap number) so 36% of entire cap for 3 players ? on the same side of the ball ...... NO TY

Dwinsgames
03-29-2018, 05:11 PM
it’s so hard to be a hero in a city that paints youu out to be the villain..

https:https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/979463710250098688ter.com/LeVeonBell/status/979463710250098688

AtlantaDan
03-29-2018, 06:56 PM
it’s so hard to be a hero in a city that paints you out to be the villain.

979463710250098688 (https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/979463710250098688)

Dear Le'Veon - cry me a river

Seeking to max out your paycheck is your right but it does not make you a hero - for that matter neither does racking up stats or winning ballgames

If you want to read about a Pittsburgh professional athlete who knew what it takes to be a hero you might want to read up on this guy

‘More than a ballplayer’: After MLK shooting, Roberto Clemente halted MLB Opening Day 1968

In the shock wave that followed the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. being killed by an assassin’s bullet, Roberto Clemente and his Pittsburgh Pirates’ teammates found themselves in Houston for their role in baseball’s Opening Day. They were scheduled to play the Astros on April 8, 1968, four days after King was felled and one day before he was to be buried....

Clemente told his teammates he wouldn’t play.... Clemente’s singular resolution was embraced by his teammates...

With the Astros’ home openers already shut down by Clemente, the baseball commissioner's office announced that the entire slate of Opening Day games would be moved to April 10, the day after King’s internment....

Clemente died on New Year’s Eve 1972 on a plane in Puerto Rico loaded with aid for victims of an earthquake in Nicaragua.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/more-than-a-ballplayer-after-mlk-shooting-roberto-clemente-halted-mlb-opening-day-1968/2018/03/28/658f94b2-3289-11e8-8abc-22a366b72f2d_story.html?utm_term=.35d709785e52

Dwinsgames
03-29-2018, 07:09 PM
979463710250098688 (https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/979463710250098688)

Dear Le'Veon - cry me a river

Seeking to max out your paycheck is your right but it does not make you a hero - for that matter neither does racking up stats or winning ballgames

If you want to read about a Pittsburgh professional athlete who knew what it takes to be a hero you might want to read up on this guy

‘More than a ballplayer’: After MLK shooting, Roberto Clemente halted MLB Opening Day 1968

In the shock wave that followed the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. being killed by an assassin’s bullet, Roberto Clemente and his Pittsburgh Pirates’ teammates found themselves in Houston for their role in baseball’s Opening Day. They were scheduled to play the Astros on April 8, 1968, four days after King was felled and one day before he was to be buried....

Clemente told his teammates he wouldn’t play.... Clemente’s singular resolution was embraced by his teammates...

With the Astros’ home openers already shut down by Clemente, the baseball commissioner's office announced that the entire slate of Opening Day games would be moved to April 10, the day after King’s internment....

Clemente died on New Year’s Eve 1972 on a plane in Puerto Rico loaded with aid for victims of an earthquake in Nicaragua.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/more-than-a-ballplayer-after-mlk-shooting-roberto-clemente-halted-mlb-opening-day-1968/2018/03/28/658f94b2-3289-11e8-8abc-22a366b72f2d_story.html?utm_term=.35d709785e52

:drink:

Shoes
03-29-2018, 07:12 PM
Bell has to be the biggest dumbass in the NFL!


http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/03/leveon-bell-says-he-is-being-painted-as-a-villain/

DesertSteel
03-29-2018, 11:05 PM
The closer the draft gets the more I hope we go RB in R1.

86WARD
03-30-2018, 06:56 AM
The closer the draft gets the more I hope we go RB in R1.

Love Bell as a player and would love for him to be in Pittsburgh long term. His talent doesn’t come around often, but the mire he speaks, the more I hope Guice is the pick at 28.

SteelerFanInStl
03-30-2018, 09:03 AM
Love Bell as a player and would love for him to be in Pittsburgh long term. His talent doesn’t come around often, but the mire he speaks, the more I hope Guice is the pick at 28.

If we're going to take a RB in round 1, I'd rather have Sony Michel.

lipps83
03-30-2018, 09:57 AM
Bell is just gross anymore. Hard to be a hero? For playing a game that doesn't really matter in anyway, shape or form? Hero's don't play games. Nobody even thinks he is a villain, just a self-centered douche-nozzle that makes Deion Sanders ego look like Barry Sanders.

I can't even say 'thanks, but no thanks', it is just 'no thanks'.

Mojouw
03-30-2018, 11:12 AM
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/03/leveon-bell-isnt-wrong-about-being-vilified-but-fans-dont-own-the-blame/

"The bottom line is this. Bell has become a villain in Pittsburgh for many, but it is a villain’s origin story that he has he has written himself. A debate can be had over whether or not it’s fair, but it’s true in any case. Bell’s frustrations over how he is perceived in his own city are real, fair, and accurate. But he is the one who provided the foundation for building up that villainous caricature."

Solid take. The daily pounding that Bell is taking in social media and Steelers focused internet comment threads is something I have not seen. I guess Bonds would've gotten the same treatment if there was this level of social interaction on the internet then. But, as the article says, Bell has had a significant role in creating the beast by totally not understanding the fan base.

I will leave it at this. With all of the horrible and reprehensible things other individuals that have worn the black and gold have done over the years, I do not understand why Bell is among the most vilified. All he has really ever done is get caught smoking a bit of weed (a long long list of players there), play his guts out on the field, drag his team to at least one playoff victory, and generally back up the checks his mouth writes. I feel like if he was holding out over say $10 million per or even $12 million per -- people would still love the guy. But there appears to be some magical threshold that gets crossed right around $12 million or so.

Again, I want to stress that I am not trying to talk anyone out of how they feel about the situation. I just find the overall general phenomena fascinating. Personally, I could give a crap about Leveon Bell the person. As long as we doesn't murder people and do horrible things to women and children, I will have no problem rooting for him on Sundays. The contract demands and social media nonsense - don't move the needle for me at all. But, again, that is just me.

I mean Ray Lewis murdered a guy and he still doesn't have to buy a meal anywhere in Baltimore. If I was Bell, I wouldn't leave my house!

Fire Goodell
03-30-2018, 12:08 PM
Love Bell as a player and would love for him to be in Pittsburgh long term. His talent doesn’t come around often, but the mire he speaks, the more I hope Guice is the pick at 28.

A past his prime DeAngelo Williams stepped in and the offense didn't miss a beat. I think people are overrating how good Bell actually is.

steelreserve
03-30-2018, 12:15 PM
I will leave it at this. With all of the horrible and reprehensible things other individuals that have worn the black and gold have done over the years, I do not understand why Bell is among the most vilified. All he has really ever done is get caught smoking a bit of weed (a long long list of players there), play his guts out on the field, drag his team to at least one playoff victory, and generally back up the checks his mouth writes. I feel like if he was holding out over say $10 million per or even $12 million per -- people would still love the guy. But there appears to be some magical threshold that gets crossed right around $12 million or so.

Again, I want to stress that I am not trying to talk anyone out of how they feel about the situation. I just find the overall general phenomena fascinating. Personally, I could give a crap about Leveon Bell the person. As long as we doesn't murder people and do horrible things to women and children, I will have no problem rooting for him on Sundays. The contract demands and social media nonsense - don't move the needle for me at all. But, again, that is just me.

I mean Ray Lewis murdered a guy and he still doesn't have to buy a meal anywhere in Baltimore. If I was Bell, I wouldn't leave my house!

I don't think it has to do with the specific amount of money, or relatively minor off-the-field stuff like smoking weed. It's more like an overall pattern of behavior that gives the distinct impression that the guy doesn't give a shit about the team, or the fans, or winning a Super Bowl, or anything but himself for that matter.

Not only is he being a jerk about the contract situation, he's being a jerk about it in a way that screws the team over. Three years in a row he's bailed on the start of the season over optional non-football shit. The way he's handled the current situation has been unnecessarily sour, and reeks of being a sore loser/sore winner/poor sport or something like that, as well as a bit hypocritical. Demanding respect while giving none.

Short of rape and murder, I don't really give two fucks what people do in their spare time as long as it doesn't affect the team. I don't care if they're nice guys who I'd like to hang out with. But when your attitude and your stupidity start spilling over and affecting the team and its ability to win or plan for the future, then you can go ahead and fuck right off. And when it comes down to it, out of all the players on the entire squad whose bullshit has ACTUALLY negatively affected the team, in a tangible sense, who would be at the top of the list? Bell Bell Bell. Not just random bitching and moaning on social media - ACTUALLY missing games, ACTUALLY blowing off the team, ACTUALLY screwing up offseason plans. You don't want to be here, just fucking say you're moving on next season and act like a man about it, not a child.

Yeah, it's hard to be a hero when you're more concerned with drama, your own ego, and stupid shit like rapping about money and weed.

teegre
03-30-2018, 12:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA&app=desktop

Dwinsgames
03-30-2018, 12:34 PM
I will just leave this here for you all to take away from it what you will ....

I read this today..

no team in NFL history has spent 30+ % of its entire 53 man roster on just 3 players from the same side of the football and been a legit contender ...

If Steelers agreed to Bells terms of the day they would be committing 36% of todays cap number ( will be slightly lower percent most likely with cap increases assuming there will be one ) in 2019 ...

not waters I would care to venture into and try and be the Columbus of the Salary cap era

Mojouw
03-30-2018, 12:48 PM
I don't think it has to do with the specific amount of money, or relatively minor off-the-field stuff like smoking weed. It's more like an overall pattern of behavior that gives the distinct impression that the guy doesn't give a shit about the team, or the fans, or winning a Super Bowl, or anything but himself for that matter.

Not only is he being a jerk about the contract situation, he's being a jerk about it in a way that screws the team over. Three years in a row he's bailed on the start of the season over optional non-football shit. The way he's handled the current situation has been unnecessarily sour, and reeks of being a sore loser/sore winner/poor sport or something like that, as well as a bit hypocritical. Demanding respect while giving none.

Short of rape and murder, I don't really give two fucks what people do in their spare time as long as it doesn't affect the team. I don't care if they're nice guys who I'd like to hang out with. But when your attitude and your stupidity start spilling over and affecting the team and its ability to win or plan for the future, then you can go ahead and fuck right off. And when it comes down to it, out of all the players on the entire squad whose bullshit has ACTUALLY negatively affected the team, in a tangible sense, who would be at the top of the list? Bell Bell Bell. Not just random bitching and moaning on social media - ACTUALLY missing games, ACTUALLY blowing off the team, ACTUALLY screwing up offseason plans. You don't want to be here, just fucking say you're moving on next season and act like a man about it, not a child.

Yeah, it's hard to be a hero when you're more concerned with drama, your own ego, and stupid shit like rapping about money and weed.

I can see where you are coming from and I am not saying that it is wrong. But I see it a bit differently.

Holdouts are holdouts and happen all the time. I don't think his first few games were as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Leveon Bell certainly didn't miss tackles against Chicago. Davis, Burns, Mitchell all went to camp and all got worked in that game.

All he does is eat carries and targets whenever he is in uniform at a rate no one else in the NFL does or perhaps even can. The ONLY time that he "blew off the team" was what eventually was demonstrated to be an uninformed tweet report that on actual reporting was a prior previously excused and recognized absence.


How does he "blow up off-season plans"? He has been consistent in making outsized contract demands for 3 years now. If anyone in the Steelers front office is surprised by Bell's contract demands at this point - well than they are simply not paying attention. I don't think Bell could be anymore clear on where he is at. As the franchise tag amount has gone up - so have his contract demands. Exactly like Cousins' demands did as well. Cousins made it clear that he wasn't interested in playing for the Redskins aside from a certain financial level. Bell has done the same - admittedly in a dumber and more ham-fisted manner -- but it is the same franchise tag gameplan. For me, I don't agree with Bell's valuation at this point and I largely never really have -- but I have always been able to see where he is getting it from and I have never been surprised by his "moving" target. He moves the goalposts based on the increases in the franchise tag, the league salary cap, and the goofy dollar amounts teams are willing to give people like McKinnon and Moncrief. That is actually a ruthless and totally mercenary manner to approach an NFL contract valuation, but it is a valid one. And a predictable one. The day Sammy Watkins signed, the first thing I thought was that Bell's demands were going to walk up.

Long story short. While I was in favor of signing Bell to something long-term in that $12-$15 million window last season -- I no longer support that. He ate like 400 some odd touches last year and will most likely be force-fed that many again this year. So pay him the tag in 2018 and after this season give him a hearty handshake and a solid thanks for his contributions to some winning Steelers teams and let him see what the open market will get him. But do I give a crap about Bell's attitude, beliefs, social media, whatever to form an opinion on him as a hero or a villain? Nope. Never have. Never will. These guys are just laundry.

AtlantaDan
03-30-2018, 01:09 PM
But do I give a crap about Bell's attitude, beliefs, social media, whatever to form an opinion on him as a hero or a villain? Nope. Never have. Never will. These guys are just laundry.

Jerry Seinfeld and I agree


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-L7w1K5Zo

His attitude is his own business and, if it disrupts the locker room, the team's problem - but trolling the fanbase with a tweet he is somehow a misunderstood victim in all of this is going to draw return fire

steelreserve
03-30-2018, 01:42 PM
How does he "blow up off-season plans"? He has been consistent in making outsized contract demands for 3 years now. If anyone in the Steelers front office is surprised by Bell's contract demands at this point - well than they are simply not paying attention. I don't think Bell could be anymore clear on where he is at. As the franchise tag amount has gone up - so have his contract demands. Exactly like Cousins' demands did as well. Cousins made it clear that he wasn't interested in playing for the Redskins aside from a certain financial level. Bell has done the same - admittedly in a dumber and more ham-fisted manner -- but it is the same franchise tag gameplan. For me, I don't agree with Bell's valuation at this point and I largely never really have -- but I have always been able to see where he is getting it from and I have never been surprised by his "moving" target. He moves the goalposts based on the increases in the franchise tag, the league salary cap, and the goofy dollar amounts teams are willing to give people like McKinnon and Moncrief. That is actually a ruthless and totally mercenary manner to approach an NFL contract valuation, but it is a valid one. And a predictable one. The day Sammy Watkins signed, the first thing I thought was that Bell's demands were going to walk up.

Yes, Bell is being adamant about getting every dollar he can get, and probably isn't coming back to the same team, just like Cousins. The difference is, Cousins did so without most of the bullshit. As far as I know, he stayed mostly silent on the matter other than to say basically, "fine, I'll show up and play on the franchise tag, and then I'm most likely done here." No skipping preseason, no jerking the team around, no will-he-or-won't-he drama, relatively little drama at all for something of that nature. Bell did all that horsecrap (at no benefit to himself, it should be pointed out again) and has made it clear he'll do it again.

A better parallel to Cousins would be someone like ... Alan Faneca, who was definitely unhappy about not having a new deal and even pretty vocal about it, but in the end handled it about as professionally as you could for a situation where a star player was obviously leaving. A better parallel to Bell-Einstein would be more like what Mike Wallace did, and guess what, people despised him for that too. There's a certain word that originated in Pittsburgh for people who behave like that, which fits pretty accurately.

I mean, there are various ways you can handle the last year of your contract, ranging from selfless and stoic, to silent and neutral, to unhappy but professional, to selfish and petulant, and Bell-Einstein has chosen the dumbest one possible. People are saying "fuck you" because Bell is basically saying "fuck you." That's the real long and short of it.

Mojouw
03-30-2018, 01:51 PM
Yes, Bell is being adamant about getting every dollar he can get, and probably isn't coming back to the same team, just like Cousins. The difference is, Cousins did so without most of the bullshit. As far as I know, he stayed mostly silent on the matter other than to say basically, "fine, I'll show up and play on the franchise tag, and then I'm most likely done here." No skipping preseason, no jerking the team around, no will-he-or-won't-he drama, relatively little drama at all for something of that nature. Bell did all that horsecrap (at no benefit to himself, it should be pointed out again) and has made it clear he'll do it again.

A better parallel to Cousins would be someone like ... Alan Faneca, who was definitely unhappy about not having a new deal and even pretty vocal about it, but in the end handled it about as professionally as you could for a situation where a star player was obviously leaving. A better parallel to Bell-Einstein would be more like what Mike Wallace did, and guess what, people despised him for that too. There's a certain word that originated in Pittsburgh for people who behave like that, which fits pretty accurately.

I mean, there are various ways you can handle the last year of your contract, ranging from selfless and stoic, to silent and neutral, to unhappy but professional, to selfish and petulant, and Bell-Einstein has chosen the dumbest one possible. People are saying "fuck you" because Bell is basically saying "fuck you." That's the real long and short of it.

Like I said, everyone can respond to the situation however they want. Bell's attitude and personal presentation clearly bothers some people. And there is nothing wrong with that.

It doesn't bother me in the least and it never really will - unless he goes after the Rooneys or something. Doesn't mean anyone else has to feel that way.

steelreserve
03-30-2018, 02:17 PM
Like I said, everyone can respond to the situation however they want. Bell's attitude and personal presentation clearly bothers some people. And there is nothing wrong with that.

It doesn't bother me in the least and it never really will - unless he goes after the Rooneys or something. Doesn't mean anyone else has to feel that way.

That's fine, I mean ... Just trying to explain where us ungrateful bastards are coming from.

Mojouw
03-30-2018, 02:20 PM
That's fine, I mean ... Just trying to explain where us ungrateful bastards are coming from.

Yup. Totally get that. I just wanted to play a bit of Devil's Advocate. In 10 months it won't matter either way - Bell will be another franchise's problem.

Bluecoat96
03-30-2018, 02:59 PM
Here's my thought. Does Bell really think so highly of himself that he believes he could do the same things behind another OL? The talent in front of him here far exceeds what he would probably find on a team with the cap space to sign him in 2019. I think he could very well perform like Mike Wallace on another team. Wallace benefitted from having Ben as a QB and while he has had flashes, he hasn't come close to his overall success he had with Ben.

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86WARD
03-30-2018, 04:53 PM
Athletes should really just stay away from social media...lol.

Fire Goodell
03-30-2018, 10:24 PM
He shall be Le'Veon, and he shall be a douche bag.

Craic
03-31-2018, 02:28 AM
Athletes should really just stay away from social media...lol.

I don't thing there's been a truer word in this thread. :chuckle:

hawaiiansteeler
04-12-2018, 07:24 PM
Separating fact from fiction with Le'Veon Bell and the Steelers

Apr 10, 2018
Jeremy Fowler
ESPN Staff Writer

http://www.espn.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/94348/separating-fact-from-fiction-with-leveon-bell-and-the-steelers