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EzraTank
01-14-2018, 03:32 PM
Just vent here. I can't fathom it at this point.

If anyone on the defensive coaching staff is still here next season I'm done.

And the sad thing is if we put up 42 points on the "vaulted" Jags defense that got away with interference all day (which will get called in NE next week) you know the Pats will put up points and win. No way do the Pats give up 45 points. They will win next week 35-10 and win their 3rd straight Superbowl tying our six titles.

Hey on the bright side we finally know what having all the B's available in the playoffs is capable of. 42 points! Shame our defense wasted it.

Fire Goodell
01-14-2018, 03:34 PM
Our draft better be all defensive players

BlackAndGold
01-14-2018, 03:34 PM
That ending was a disaster.

Why onside kick? when you have two timeouts plus a 2 min warning? Game would be heading to OT right now.

Why not just take a FG at the end and then attempt the onside kick?

IDK wtf Tomlin was thinking.

Craic
01-14-2018, 03:36 PM
That ending was a disaster.

Why onside kick? when you have two timeouts plus a 2 min warning? Game would be heading to OT right now.

Why not just take a FG at the end and then attempt the onside kick?

IDK wtf Tomlin was thinking.

I'm with Tomlin the WHOLE WAY on that onside kick. Defense was horrible towards the end. Couldn't trust them to stop a Pee Wee team. So you try to put the ball in the hands of the players you trust.

EzraTank
01-14-2018, 03:39 PM
I'm with Tomlin the WHOLE WAY on that onside kick. Defense was horrible towards the end. Couldn't trust them to stop a Pee Wee team. So you try to put the ball in the hands of the players you trust.

Players you trust? Boswell and the special teams? No you play the percentage there and tell Boswell to kick it out of the endzone. If you D loses it for you they so be it. Handing them the FG basically ENDED the game.

The sad thing is the game wasn't even as close as the final score which makes me MORE sick.

SteelerFanInStl
01-14-2018, 03:41 PM
0 sacks by our celebrated pass rush. No pressure all game on Bortles. Players left wide open all game. The defense was absolutely terrible.

Dissolv
01-14-2018, 03:44 PM
I get that he didn't trust the Defense, but you know what? An onside kick is one of lowest percentage things in football. They consistently went with low percentage plays today. It almost smacked of arrogance, despite being in the hole by a huge margin. On a couple of plays it paid off -- thank you Mr. Brown. But you can't keep making choices like that over and over again and expect the roulette wheel to somehow pay off. The D stunk on ice, and lost the game. But the coaching was anything but tight.


Dissolv

Fire Goodell
01-14-2018, 03:45 PM
I stand by the onside kick as well. Trust the defense? The one that couldn't stop a nose bleed? Lol. I had zero faith in our defense to force a stop

In any case after today's performance I'm sure we would have had no chance against the Patriots, we have no defense without shazier

Iron Steeler
01-14-2018, 03:53 PM
We couldnt get the defense off the field on 3rd down.

We clearly dont have that sack master. We need him where every he is. Joey Porter type.

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45 Points... i still can't believe it

Craic
01-14-2018, 03:56 PM
Players you trust? Boswell and the special teams? No you play the percentage there and tell Boswell to kick it out of the endzone. If you D loses it for you they so be it. Handing them the FG basically ENDED the game.

The sad thing is the game wasn't even as close as the final score which makes me MORE sick.

And you're wrong about the statistics. Statistically, from 2014-2016, the onside kick worked 14 percent of the time. In the fourth quarter, the Jags had 3 drive. The Steelers stopped them from scoring 0 percent of the time. The correct ​statistical option was the onside kick.

ShoeHorn
01-14-2018, 03:58 PM
Unreal. The fact that 42 points wasn’t enough to beat the Jags. Just wow. Does anyone know how many third downs Bortles converted in the 4th quarter (on the road in the cold in a playoff game)?

lipps83
01-14-2018, 03:59 PM
Our draft better be all defensive players

The problem isn't the players. Everyone has been saying its the players since 2010. The defense was getting old they said. Lebeau was supposed to fix it. He couldn't. Butler was supposed to fix it. He couldn't. This is an almost entirely different defensive team from just 3 seasons ago.

IT ISN'T THE PLAYERS.....

IT'S BUTLER AND BUTLER ALONE.

Steeldude
01-14-2018, 04:02 PM
I get that he didn't trust the Defense, but you know what? An onside kick is one of lowest percentage things in football. They consistently went with low percentage plays today. It almost smacked of arrogance, despite being in the hole by a huge margin. On a couple of plays it paid off -- thank you Mr. Brown. But you can't keep making choices like that over and over again and expect the roulette wheel to somehow pay off. The D stunk on ice, and lost the game. But the coaching was anything but tight.


Dissolv

Defense wouldn't have stopped them. The defense had no idea what they were doing at all. It was like watching football during recess time.

Born2Steel
01-14-2018, 04:17 PM
Congrats to ALL those that want to focus on beating the Pats. Draft to beat the Pats, build a defense to beat the Pats, need to run plays designed to beat the Pats. Now maybe you understand a little more about football.

tube517
01-14-2018, 04:22 PM
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GoSlash27
01-14-2018, 04:24 PM
I feel bad for the housekeeping lady. The Steelers shit the bed today, early and often. Now she's stuck cleaning it up.

As I said before, I'm always happy so long as we make the playoffs and anything else is gravy. So I'm not terribly disappointed.

See yinz next season!
-Slashy

dislocatedday
01-14-2018, 04:31 PM
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Seeing that last tweet about Ben being 18-19 in 4th and 1 or less situations just pisses me off more. It makes absolutely no sense to not have your 250-260 lb QB sneak right behind your all-pro RG and C in those situations.

st33lersguy
01-14-2018, 04:37 PM
It really is unbelievable, all those high round draft picks on defense and what do they have to show for it? Young high round picks like Artie Burns, Sean Davis, and Dud "I get pushed away from the play all the time" Dupree sucked this year. Ryan Shazier who was great likely will never play again. Depth at linebacker is non-existent, Sean Davis and Mike Mitchell have got to be the worst pair of safeties playing this postseason and I challenge anyone to find a pair worse. And Kieth Butler, he has no idea what the hell he is doing. Once again his defense got torched, and this time by Blake Bortles. Of course this is the same defense that got torched by the likes of people such as Brett Hundley, Alex Collins, and DeShone Kizer

EzraTank
01-14-2018, 04:45 PM
The sad thing is we probably win if Shazier plays.

SteelerFanInStl
01-14-2018, 04:48 PM
The sad thing is we probably win if Shazier plays.

I'm not sure about that. The defense was playing pretty much the same way before Shazier got hurt.

pczach
01-14-2018, 05:00 PM
I'm not sure about that. The defense was playing pretty much the same way before Shazier got hurt.



No they weren't. Not even close.

This was a disaster today. Their worst performance of the year by a mile.

SteelerFanInStl
01-14-2018, 05:07 PM
No they weren't. Not even close.

This was a disaster today. Their worst performance of the year by a mile.

Sure they were. There have been problems with blown coverages and giving up big plays all year long along with the whole "bend but don't break" mentality. That didn't all just start with Ryan getting injured.

Fire Goodell
01-14-2018, 05:10 PM
We need a solid ILB and a play making safety. Earl Thomas is a FA next season right? Mitchell is the no better than Ty Carter or Lee Flowers

teegre
01-14-2018, 05:12 PM
The sad thing is we probably win if Shazier plays.

:nod:

Case in point:
On Jacksonville’s first TD (fourth-&-goal), Spence launched in the air and hit Fournette, but didn’t wrap him up. Shazier would have stopped him. 7 points.

Fire Goodell
01-14-2018, 05:15 PM
Shazier or no, the defense didn't make a single red zone stop, that is unacceptable

SteelerFanInStl
01-14-2018, 05:17 PM
Shazier or no, the defense didn't make a single red zone stop, that is unacceptable

Yep

Steelerchad
01-14-2018, 05:19 PM
I was OK with the onside kick call and here's the reasoning.
If the kick is executed properly the ball should take that big 2nd hop and should be recovered outside of the 45 yard line, maybe even midfield. This kick was mishit and wouldn't have even traveled 10 yards before going out of bounds if it had not hit our player. 1 first down and the jags win, so FG should never have come into play unless it was in the neighborhood of 54 yards.
If the Jags get to 4th down it shouldn't have been any closer than our 36, maybe longer. I doubt they kick that and probably punt. Giving us close to 2 minutes to score, which we did anyway. It really shouldn't have mattered if the jags had the ball at their 25 or midfield. Hold 3 and out get the ball and go score, which we had time to do.
The fact that our kicker seems so inept at onside kicks is concerning. He's a kicker. That's part of his job as a specialist. That should be part of his practice situation, but looks like it is not. Remember that embarrassing reverse wrong footed attempt.

dislocatedday
01-14-2018, 05:29 PM
I'm sure the general media will spout out something this week and through the offseason about AB and Bell not being great because they have not been able to win a Super Bowl, but seriously, if you look at the play of those two in the past two post-seasons they have been unbelievable. They are doing everything possible and then some to bring #7 to Pittsburgh............unfortunately the defense is not doing enough.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
01-14-2018, 05:32 PM
I was OK with the onside kick call and here's the reasoning.
If the kick is executed properly the ball should take that big 2nd hop and should be recovered outside of the 45 yard line, maybe even midfield. This kick was mishit and wouldn't have even traveled 10 yards before going out of bounds if it had not hit our player. 1 first down and the jags win, so FG should never have come into play unless it was in the neighborhood of 54 yards.
If the Jags get to 4th down it shouldn't have been any closer than our 36, maybe longer. I doubt they kick that and probably punt. Giving us close to 2 minutes to score, which we did anyway. It really shouldn't have mattered if the jags had the ball at their 25 or midfield. Hold 3 and out get the ball and go score, which we had time to do.
The fact that our kicker seems so inept at onside kicks is concerning. He's a kicker. That's part of his job as a specialist. That should be part of his practice situation, but looks like it is not. Remember that embarrassing reverse wrong footed attempt. Plenty of kickers practice them but still don't come close to mastering them. It was a very asinine call by Tomlin when you had two timeouts and the 2 minute warning.

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I'm sure the general media will spout out something this week and through the offseason about AB and Bell not being great because they have not been able to win a Super Bowl, but seriously, if you look at the play of those two in the past two post-seasons they have been unbelievable. They are doing everything possible and then some to bring #7 to Pittsburgh............unfortunately the defense is not doing enough. Agreed and they are the best in football at the position they play. Damn fun to watch!

Craic
01-14-2018, 06:42 PM
Plenty of kickers practice them but still don't come close to mastering them. It was a very asinine call by Tomlin when you had two timeouts and the 2 minute warning.

Gotta disagree here. I posted somewhere else . . . Chances of an onside kick working based on 2014-2016 = 15 or so percent. Chances of stopping the Jags offense based on the fourth quarter, 0 percent (no drive stops. The only drive that didn't end up with a score in the fourth quarter was the last drive of the game). You play the percentages and in that situation, the percentages clearly say, on-side kick. Because we were not going to stop their offense.

86WARD
01-14-2018, 06:47 PM
Steelers haven’t had a successful onside kick recovery in 11 years...

SteelerFanInStl
01-14-2018, 06:49 PM
Steelers haven’t had a successful onside kick recovery in 11 years...

So you're saying that they were due. :willy:

86WARD
01-14-2018, 06:56 PM
So you're saying that they were due. :willy:

Dilly Dilly

GoSlash27
01-14-2018, 07:19 PM
I don't blame the defense for this. Or rather, I don't *just* blame the defense. The offense coughed up the ball repeatedly and failed to convert twice on 4th and inches in field goal range. Plus there was more than a little bad play calling and clock management. Any of those things could've spelled the difference in this 3 point game.
Special Teams did a fine job, but there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the ball.

Moose
01-14-2018, 07:21 PM
I said all year our defense i.e. secondary and pass rush was terrible. CB's terrible, 10 yrd cushions. Tackling terrible....no arm tackles, everyone just launches and most times misses. Oh well, water under bridge now. It was a fun season watching JuJu grow. Hopefully Ryan recovers great and makes the best decision for him and for his life plans. Hopefully there's no drama with Bell and his contract. Hope Ben is back next year in SB form again. I hope AB stays healthy and ready to start off where he finished this year. Hope the DRAFT goes well for the Steeler's in all their weaknesses. I hope ALL THE PLAYER'S stay on the right side of the law and there's NO drama for our team. Hope all of you Steeler fans have a great, safe off season in all you and your family do. I'll be doing some traveling and motorcycling and be dropping by off/on to see what's happening. Peace to all my brothers/sisters. God Bless.

SteelerFanInStl
01-14-2018, 07:29 PM
I don't blame the defense for this. Or rather, I don't *just* blame the defense. The offense coughed up the ball repeatedly and failed to convert twice on 4th and inches in field goal range. Plus there was more than a little bad play calling and clock management. Any of those things could've spelled the difference in this 3 point game.
Special Teams did a fine job, but there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the ball.

Except the defense didn't stop a Blake Bortles led offense the whole game. Yea, the offense put them in a hole early but they never stopped the Jags.

steelreserve
01-14-2018, 07:39 PM
The onside kick was absolutely the right move. Whether Jacksonville got the ball at their own 20 or midfield, the situation was exactly the same: Force a three-and-out or lose the game. But with the onside kick you also have a 10-15% chance of getting the ball without that, probably gaining a lot of field position, a minute or more of clock time, plus keeping your timeouts in the process. Any of those would've made the difference in our favor there.

What really killed us was fucking up the onside kick so terribly that they were in FG range even after we stopped them. Normally they're getting the ball at the 45-50 yard line and have about a 60-yard field goal attempt if they fail to make a first down. We kick the ball 5 yards and stack a 5-yard penalty on top of it to give them the ball at like the 35. Those 15 yards were the game there. (Ignoring all our other fuck-ups, of course.)

If there's any doubt how huge it would've been to have two more timeouts, or an extra minute on the clock, just look at how the very end of the game played out. THAT'S what you gain from an onside kick. You have to try.

teegre
01-14-2018, 07:47 PM
The onside kick was absolutely the right move. Whether Jacksonville got the ball at their own 20 or midfield, the situation was exactly the same: Force a three-and-out or lose the game. But with the onside kick you also have a 10-15% chance of getting the ball without that, probably gaining a lot of field position, a minute or more of clock time, plus keeping your timeouts in the process. Any of those would've made the difference in our favor there.

What really killed us was fucking up the onside kick so terribly that they were in FG range even after we stopped them. Normally they're getting the ball at the 45-50 yard line and have about a 60-yard field goal attempt if they fail to make a first down. We kick the ball 5 yards and stack a 5-yard penalty on top of it to give them the ball at like the 35. Those 15 yards were the game there. (Ignoring all our other fuck-ups, of course.)

If there's any doubt how huge it would've been to have two more timeouts, or an extra minute on the clock, just look at how the very end of the game played out. THAT'S what you gain from an onside kick. You have to try.

Thank you!!!

The decision wasn't the problem; the location* of the kick was.

*(traveling sideways only 2 yards, instead of forward 10 yards. The 5-yard penalty was the death nail.)

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-14-2018, 08:49 PM
0 sacks by our celebrated pass rush. No pressure all game on Bortles. Players left wide open all game. The defense was absolutely terrible.

Agreed, no push by Heyward, Tuitt or any on the D line. Never felt like they got Bortles feeling pressured at all

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 09:10 PM
There is plenty of blame to go around,I know bens numbers were good and he made a valiant effort but pic and fumble in playoffs inexcusable for veteran. They all came out flat and coaches were out coached. D line dominated can’t think of one defensive play, not talking good tackle I’m talking a defensive play to spark team. 4th and foot and the play the really low percentage play, just like onside kick. True they hadn’t stopped them but you knew it was 3 runs, onside kick is luck they should’ve tried to win playing defense instead of luck.

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Plus they don’t have the professional attitude like the team and coach we all hate. No media talk of looking past jags, and I want jags. Then don’t show up. Utter embarrassment,team wanted revenge and gave them a spark. I’m so fukking pissed , the Vikings actually put me in a fair mood from piss poor one

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 09:15 PM
Onside kick not right move even if they don’t kick fg, would fave pinned at 10 yard line via punt. 10 percent at best. Much better odds of going 3 and out than 10 percent when you know 3 runs up middle are coming

steelreserve
01-14-2018, 09:32 PM
Onside kick not right move even if they don’t kick fg, would fave pinned at 10 yard line via punt. 10 percent at best. Much better odds of going 3 and out than 10 percent when you know 3 runs up middle are coming

You've never seen a team pull out a quick slant, or a fake handoff and a rollout, to surprise a defense who thinks another run is coming? I'd say that happens in far more than 10 percent of run-out-the-clock situations and is successful a lot of the time too.

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 09:38 PM
You've never seen a team pull out a quick slant, or a fake handoff and a rollout, to surprise a defense who thinks another run is coming? I'd say that happens in far more than 10 percent of run-out-the-clock situations and is successful a lot of the time too.
I’m saying onside kick recovery 10 percent. Better odds of stopping them 3 and out than 10 percent. Maybe only slightly the way D played but to me higher percentage than onside kick

86WARD
01-14-2018, 10:00 PM
There was less chance that the Steelers would stop the Jags Offense...they didn’t do it all day. What makes you think they would start with 2 minutes left?

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 10:10 PM
There was less chance that the Steelers would stop the Jags Offense...they didn’t do it all day. What makes you think they would start with 2 minutes left?
Because you knew 3 runs coming. They stopped them after missed onside, but gave them FG. IMO you go with percentages, onside kick when they know it’s coming is a prayer, hail merry. It’s even hard when team not expecting it. There was over 2 minutes, 2 time-outs and 2 min warning. Anyway that’s one play, steelers shit the bed , didn’t lose because of that, I just don’t think it was a good week for tomlin and coaches

Craic
01-14-2018, 10:10 PM
I’m saying onside kick recovery 10 percent. Better odds of stopping them 3 and out than 10 percent. Maybe only slightly the way D played but to me higher percentage than onside kick

As I keep posting, it was actually a fifteen percent chance based on all the attempts from 2014-2016. That, compared to the zero stops (0 percent) in the fourth quarter for this defense, makes it absolutely clear. You go for the onside kick. Why? because 15% > 0%.

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 10:13 PM
As I keep posting, it was actually a fifteen percent chance based on all the attempts from 2014-2016. That, compared to the zero stops (0 percent) in the fourth quarter for this defense, makes it absolutely clear. You go for the onside kick. Why? because 15% > 0%.
So your just using 4th quarter for your stats,ok steelers haven’t had onside kick in years but they have had 3 and outs in years. How about those stats.

SteelerFanInStl
01-14-2018, 10:13 PM
As I keep posting, it was actually a fifteen percent chance based on all the attempts from 2014-2016. That, compared to the zero stops (0 percent) in the fourth quarter for this defense, makes it absolutely clear. You go for the onside kick. Why? because 15% > 0%.

And that's exactly what Tomlin said as to why he chose to kick the onside kick. Since he has zero faith in our defense being able to make a stop, maybe he'll take a hard look at them in the off season and make some moves.

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 10:17 PM
15 percent probably includes times when teams are surprised by it, this certainly wouldn’t have been one of those times

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All I know is I would have rather they earned a win with first down than a five yard onside kick that has worked how many times since tomlin coaching.

steelerdude15
01-14-2018, 10:25 PM
I think what was really disappointing was when the Steelers went three and out after Robert Golden blocked the Jag's punt. The offense had great starting field position and squandered their chance to tie the score.

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 10:30 PM
I think what was really disappointing was when the Steelers went three and out after Robert Golden blocked the Jag's punt. The offense had great starting field position and squandered their chance to tie the score.
Yep, there were many disappointments. 4th and a foot pass really makes me shake my head. Not sure who’s ultimate call that was. That was the call that really blew me away.

Shoes
01-14-2018, 10:31 PM
I think what was really disappointing was when the Steelers went three and out after Robert Golden blocked the Jag's punt. The offense had great starting field position and squandered their chance to tie the score.

Agreed, that was very disheartening. So was the no-call when Bryant was molested late in the 4th

Mojouw
01-14-2018, 10:33 PM
Yep, there were many disappointments. 4th and a foot pass really makes me shake my head. Not sure who’s ultimate call that was. That was the call that really blew me away.
You all realize that without the blatant hold that should’ve been called that play is complete to JUJU, right?

steelerdude15
01-14-2018, 10:35 PM
You all realize that without the blatant hold that should’ve been called that play is complete to JUJU, right?

Even with the hold, JuJu almost caught that ball. You're right though, the only reason why the defender was able to stay with JuJu was because he held his jersey.

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 10:41 PM
You all realize that without the blatant hold that should’ve been called that play is complete to JUJU, right?
I do, qb sneak get it move on. You don’t have to worry about that crap happening. I just think you bring to many bad outcomes into equation by passing. I get it if it’s a full yard or more but a foot, not a fan of call.

EzraTank
01-14-2018, 11:09 PM
I don't blame the defense for this. Or rather, I don't *just* blame the defense. The offense coughed up the ball repeatedly and failed to convert twice on 4th and inches in field goal range. Plus there was more than a little bad play calling and clock management. Any of those things could've spelled the difference in this 3 point game.
Special Teams did a fine job, but there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the ball.

Bullshit. The offense just stuck 42 points on the board regardless of how many times you turned it over. When your offense does that you FUCKING should win 99.9% of the time. I mean a championship caliber defense should hold teams to field goals when you turn it over.

cubanstogie
01-14-2018, 11:17 PM
Bullshit. The offense just stuck 42 points on the board. When your offense does that you FUCKING should win 99.9% of the time.
A guy runs for 150 plus the first time we played them and no adjustments made, same guy runs for 100 plus and 3 td’s. I’d say D and D coordinator sucked pretty bad. It seemed worse this time even though LF had less yards.every run was positive. Yeldon out of backfield killed us 3 times as well.

j-d-s
01-14-2018, 11:38 PM
What was particular embarrassing: Their first score. It was 4TH DOWN and they couldn't stop Fournette on THE EXACT SAME PLAY he did earlier in the season against us (jumping for the TD). Had we stopped them there, we would have won.

steelreserve
01-14-2018, 11:56 PM
I’m saying onside kick recovery 10 percent. Better odds of stopping them 3 and out than 10 percent. Maybe only slightly the way D played but to me higher percentage than onside kick

Well you needed to stop them 3 and out whether it was an onside kick or not. Normally even if the onside kick fails, they're not going to be in field goal range if they don't make a first down. It was only because we had possibly the worst onside kick in the history of football that they were in range. So under any ordinary circumstances there's no difference between the two except that the onside kick gives you the extra 10% chance of recovering and hitting the jackpot, but kicking it away doesn't.

cubanstogie
01-15-2018, 12:14 AM
Well you needed to stop them 3 and out whether it was an onside kick or not. Normally even if the onside kick fails, they're not going to be in field goal range if they don't make a first down. It was only because we had possibly the worst onside kick in the history of football that they were in range. So under any ordinary circumstances there's no difference between the two except that the onside kick gives you the extra 10% chance of recovering and hitting the jackpot, but kicking it away doesn't.
Everyone has right to there opinion. Mine is onside kick last resort if you don’t have timeouts or say less than a minute or so on clock. 2 plus minutes, 2 time-outs and 2 minute warning is a lot of time. It speaks volumes to how much lack of faith Tomlin has in D. That’s what is pathetic. Our D made the bills look like the 85 Bears.

BlackAndGold
01-15-2018, 12:29 AM
Point blank, this team will not win a super bowl if the defense doesn't improve(I'll also say that they never recovered after Shazier went down, he was serverly missed).

Even if they somehow came back and won today, no way they go up to Foxboro and beat the Pats, offense may have kept them in it but Tom Brady & co would have no problem moving the ball.

FIX THE DAMN DEFENSE

steelcityboyz
01-15-2018, 02:36 AM
Until we get a new defensive coordinator and a few more play makers on defense this team will always be a pretender. If we had to lose i'm glad it was to the jags.. brady and company would have destroyed us in foxboro I can hear their ass hat fans already saying how they own us.

pczach
01-15-2018, 05:45 AM
Point blank, this team will not win a super bowl if the defense doesn't improve(I'll also say that they never recovered after Shazier went down, he was serverly missed).

Even if they somehow came back and won today, no way they go up to Foxboro and beat the Pats, offense may have kept them in it but Tom Brady & co would have no problem moving the ball.

FIX THE DAMN DEFENSE



Shazier is such a freak athlete that he covered up a complete lack of athleticism and playmaking in the middle of the field from anyone else. He is a Troy-like physical talent that makes everyone around him better, and has the defense built around his gifts.

The defense needs to get better and needs play makers in the middle of the field or anywhere they can get them.

pepsyman1
01-15-2018, 06:29 AM
Butler has been a huge disappointment. We all hoped that he would have taken what Lebeau started with and adjusted our coverage scheme and make us more aggressive. Never happened. We still play 10 yard cushions on the corners (even on 3rd and 4!), the D Line seems to be where he expects the sacks to come from (while still only using a 3-4) and the tackling which has been poor for years has gotten even worse. Time to move on. If we stay with a 3-4, I think we need a true NT. I'm sick of hearing how rarely the NT is on the field because of all the packages...bullshit, keep the NT on the field more and take advantage of what he's doing cuz what Butler is doing isn't gonna win anything anyway.

86WARD
01-15-2018, 07:17 AM
Because you knew 3 runs coming. They stopped them after missed onside, but gave them FG. IMO you go with percentages, onside kick when they know it’s coming is a prayer, hail merry. It’s even hard when team not expecting it. There was over 2 minutes, 2 time-outs and 2 min warning. Anyway that’s one play, steelers shit the bed , didn’t lose because of that, I just don’t think it was a good week for tomlin and coaches

But you don’t know that and even if it was three runs, they didn’t stop Fournette all day, they didnt stop Yeldon and they had no answer for the wheels on Bortles.

I’ll agree though...if there’s someone to blame, it’s Tomlin and his staff for that loss.

EzraTank
01-15-2018, 09:56 AM
After sleeping on it I realized that Tomlin needs to go. He won one Superbowl with Cowher's players.

And before people go off on how many big games Cowher lost and how long it took him to win a Superbowl ponder this:

Neil O'Donnell, Bubby Brister, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox ...

They were Cowher's starters most of his time coaching. Then comes Ben in 2004 who goes 15-1 his rookie year and loses to Brady and company in the AFCCG. What happens next season, they win the Superbowl. Then Bettis retires and they go 8-8 and Cowher retires. Cowher had great teams that were always missing that key piece of a franchise QB. By time he gets one he's burned out and retires. Does anyone think Belichick would be considered the "coaching genius" if Brady never came along? Look at his record at Cleveland before landing in NE and getting lucky with Brady in the late rounds.

Now imagine if Ben had Cowher not Tomlin as his coach since 2007. Tomlin has sucked almost all of Ben's career and as Cowher's players aged out it's even more obvious.

I'm not asking to bring Cowher back but Tomlin has failed over and over with so much talent it's just sad. His team's consistently play "down" to their opponents and never seem ready to play the games when they count the most.

It's time. Clean the coaching house and bring someone in that can take our great offensive talent and win NOW before they're gone. Look at the Eagles, they rebuilt their defense in less than two seasons. It can be done with the right coaching.

Rotorhead
01-15-2018, 11:14 AM
Well, we are not going to get rid of Tomlin this year, regardless of how terrible he manages games and how many times he can not get his team ready to play the opponent. Maybe we can get a FA Safety or ILB and draft the other to improve those areas. We are close.

One last thought, this is the game where I certainly wish we had Lebaugh . . . his defense is the perfect defense against the Jags, stop the run and zone coverage would have been the best option here. (I am not saying I want him back, just saying, the one time it would have been helpful is this game)

st33lersguy
01-15-2018, 12:53 PM
Since this is the angry thread, I'll put this here, get some laughs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQNEbdFx3Vg

43Hitman
01-15-2018, 04:12 PM
Since this is the angry thread, I'll put this here, get some laughs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQNEbdFx3Vg

That was therapeutic. Thanks!

My two favorites were Hines Ward for OC and Ben for OC. :lol: