Patriots about to have some media annoyance. RIFT between Brady, Kraft and Belichick?

[Iron Steeler]

https://twitter.com/bruceallen/status/949069691691130880?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


The article claims that the rift is so severe many Patriots feel this is the last year together for the trio. Also that Brady went to Kraft to force Belichick to trade Jimmy G. ESPN is planning a full day of promotion tomorrow for the article and its author @SethWickersham (https://twitter.com/SethWickersham)https://twitter.com/bruceallen/status/949069691691130880https://twitter.com/bruceallen/status/949069691691130880

[vader29]

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[steelreserve]

Brady: "Goatse is the best!"

Belichick: "No way, Meatspin is the best."

Brady: "Goatse!"

Belichick: "Meatspin!"

Brady: "Goatse!"

Belichick: "Meatspin!"

Brady: "GOATSE!!"

Belichick: "MEATSPIN!!"

Kraft: "dude - Lemon party!"

Brady (muttering as he walks away): "I still think it's Goatse."

[steel striker]

Shady Brady and, the Dark Sith Lord!

[86WARD]

Here’s the article. Worth the read.

http://es.pn/2qnREc1

[tube517]

Haven't read the article but is this shades of Jimmy Johnson/Jerry Jones from the 90s?

[Count Steeler]

Brady may be considered the GOAT, but he will always remain a bitch.

[AtlantaDan]

Interesting read - after five Lombardis Belichick still has the mindset to pull stunts like this last Sunday to get any edge he can

Belichick ordered the field crew to hang thermometers in the hallway outside of the Jets' locker room, just to mess with a franchise he still hates so much that he barely mentions his years there in the Patriots' media guide.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle

[steelreserve]

Brady may be considered the GOAT, but he will always remain a bitch.

He's considered the GOAT? I would've guessed at the fringes of the conversation for top 10 maybe.

[polamalubeast]

949308406879449089

[Count Steeler]

He's considered the GOAT? I would've guessed at the fringes of the conversation for top 10 maybe.

If you listen to the ESPN/FOX/NBC knob slobbers, he is the GOAT.

[Patriot71]

When was the last post season that the media or league didn't fabricate some bogus stuff to try and throw the Patriots off there game. Keep saying it and one year you'll be right.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

He's considered the GOAT? I would've guessed at the fringes of the conversation for top 10 maybe.

Honestly, at the QB position I think most have it down to Montana or Brady, with some old schoolers throwing in Johnny U in the conversation. I think that is pretty realistic. There are a bunch of guys like Elway, Manning, Marino in the next tier, but I personally put Montana 1 and Brady 2.

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When was the last post season that the media or league didn't fabricate some bogus stuff to try and throw the Patriots off there game. Keep saying it and one year you'll be right.
Wow, I thought Steeler fans were paranoid. Brady is 40, the window is closing and my guess is when he goes, so does Bill. IMO, Belichek is the equivalent to Phil Jackson...gets all kinds of credit for wins, but lucked out by coaching the best player of the generation in the game.

[steelreserve]

Honestly, at the QB position I think most have it down to Montana or Brady, with some old schoolers throwing in Johnny U in the conversation. I think that is pretty realistic. There are a bunch of guys like Elway, Manning, Marino in the next tier, but I personally put Montana 1 and Brady 2.

Eh. I don't really see it that way. Off the top of my head:

More championships* - Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman

More talented - Marino, Elway, Favre, Manning, Young, Fouts, Unitas (plus 4-5 more you could argue - Brees, Moon etc)

QBs I'd rather have on my team - dozens

QBs who could do the same thing in the same system in the same salary cap era - even more dozens


(since I'm sure it will come up, by "more championships," I mean two things. One that anyone who thinks the Patriots can legitimately claim more than one or two titles is delusional. The other that Montana, Bradshaw, and Aikman had much more dominant runs over time on much more dominant teams, as well as better records in championship games).

[Patriot71]

Eh. I don't really see it that way. Off the top of my head:

More championships* - Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman

More talented - Marino, Elway, Favre, Manning, Young, Fouts, Unitas (plus 4-5 more you could argue - Brees, Moon etc)

QBs I'd rather have on my team - dozens

QBs who could do the same thing in the same system in the same salary cap era - even more dozens


(since I'm sure it will come up, by "more championships," I mean two things. One that anyone who thinks the Patriots can legitimately claim more than one or two titles is delusional. The other that Montana, Bradshaw, and Aikman had much more dominant runs over time on much more dominant teams, as well as better records in championship games).



Luckily coaching isn't your profession.

[86WARD]

There’s truth to the Garrapolo portion. Belichick is way too smart to turn down better trade offers only to accept something less, out of the blue, without some sort of “push”. That kind of move isn’t in his wheel house.

[steelreserve]

Luckily coaching isn't your profession.

Neither is trolling, but hey, who's keeping score of that?

[Patriot71]

Neither is trolling, but hey, who's keeping score of that?


Show me a troll post? Just because you don't agree doesn't make me a troll.

[Iron Steeler]

Patriot 71 ... the only thing reason why I can buy .05% of this story is because Brissett was traded to the Colts earlier. Then when they traded Garropolo i was like " this doesnt make sense with a 40 year old qb to get rid of a high ceiling back up qb and leave no saftey net for the drqnchise.

The other 99.5% i believe is that it is over exagerrated hot air before the playoffs.

Can I ask you, how did you feel when they abruptly traded Jimmy G?

[steelreserve]

Show me a troll post? Just because you don't agree doesn't make me a troll.

Patriots fan and troll can typically be used interchangeably. Maybe there are exceptions, but there's still zero payoff for making the effort to figure that out.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Luckily coaching isn't your profession.

Objectively, I agree. As much as I think you are just a trolling masshole, some straws are being grasped at by some fans to discredit Brady.

-Fouts over Brady?? There isn't a sportswriter or sane football mind, outside of San Diego or Oregon that ranks Fouts over Brady.

-Favre?? Just look at both in the clutch and you see Favre throwing key INT's. So much that the top 10 are ranked here. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/470140-turnover-the-10-worst-interceptions-of-brett-favres-career

-Elway? Yes I think John Elway was great, but ask yourself if he ever won a ring without Terrell Davis' rushing ability?

Again, Brady is 40 and this drama is real. I heard Seth Wickersham interview on Sirius today and he is confident in his sources. There is divide in the Patriots organization around Brady, his trainer and Brady going to Kraft to have Garropalo traded. Even ex-Patriot Tedy Bruschi mentioned its "unBelichekian to not have a plan for the future at the most important position on the team" when they traded Jimmy G.

[steelreserve]

Objectively, I agree. As much as I think you are just a trolling masshole, some straws are being grasped at by some fans to discredit Brady.

-Fouts over Brady?? There isn't a sportswriter or sane football mind, outside of San Diego or Oregon that ranks Fouts over Brady.

-Favre?? Just look at both in the clutch and you see Favre throwing key INT's. So much that the top 10 are ranked here. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/470140-turnover-the-10-worst-interceptions-of-brett-favres-career

-Elway? Yes I think John Elway was great, but ask yourself if he ever won a ring without Terrell Davis' rushing ability?

Again, Brady is 40 and this drama is real. I heard Seth Wickersham interview on Sirius today and he is confident in his sources. There is divide in the Patriots organization around Brady, his trainer and Brady going to Kraft to have Garropalo traded. Even ex-Patriot Tedy Bruschi mentioned its "unBelichekian to not have a plan for the future at the most important position on the team" when they traded Jimmy G.

I mean, part of this is that I do not think Brady is anything special, period. I am willing to give Belichick all the credit in the world for developing a system that exploits the current meta so well, and a personnel system that exploits the current salary-cap realities so well. But next to none of the credit belongs to Brady.

Honestly, you could practically put any tall guy who can get rid of the ball quickly with decent accuracy back there, and you'd earn a division title and a roughly 1-in-4 chance at a Super Bowl every year. You do not need an all-time great QB. If Brady did not have the unbelievable crap-ass luck to be in the right place at the right time, I am reasonably certain you'd be looking at ... I don't know, Kurt Warner if he never got to a Super Bowl, or something like that. Chad Pennington without a bum shoulder. Put Brady on the Jets and he's a career nobody, and the Jets still lose. Put one of the other guys on that list on the Jets, and they ARE the difference that makes the Jets a good team.

Conversely, if you had someone like John Elway in place of Brady, would he win just as many or more championships? That's easy. Dan Fouts is there for a reason - because you don't even need to be as good as Dan Fouts to make it work in that system. You just do not need to be that good. Brady won a couple of championships that were all set up for him, but any reasonably competent QB would have. He gets a lot of credit for being the middleman carrying out an effective plan, that's all.

/rant

[Hawkman]

At least this gets the “drama” headlines off the Steelers for a day or two.

[DesertSteel]

Honestly, you could practically put any tall guy who can get rid of the ball quickly with decent accuracy back there, and you'd earn a division title and a roughly 1-in-4 chance at a Super Bowl every year.
Wow! Mind. Blown.

[tube517]

Bill Belichick 'sees an opening' to coach Giants and might take it amid Patriots drama: source

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/bill-belichick-sees-opening-coach-giants-source-article-1.3739643

[Mojouw]

Brady is the GOAT. It’s almost a closed discussion really. I’ll listen to Montana and Otto Graham or Johnny U. But some of the stuff floating here is downright silly.

They had a tall guy with accuracy. Drew Bledsoe. Brady is light years better than that.


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[BostonBlackie]

Bill Belichick 'sees an opening' to coach Giants and might take it amid Patriots drama: source

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/bill-belichick-sees-opening-coach-giants-source-article-1.3739643


Could be an interesting off season around here. Most of us in the Boston area, who are old enough, grew up Giants fans because that's the team that was on TV here in the 50s, and early 60s.


Giants submit requests to interview Patriots’ Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia

"The Daily News has been reporting for more than a week that McDaniels and Patricia were the Giants’ top two targets and that Wilks, with a connection to Giants GM Dave Gettleman from Carolina, would be a candidate. ESPN reported the Giants formally reaching out to the Patriots while NFL Network reported their request to the Panthers."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-submit-requests-interview-patriots-mcdaniels-patricia-article-1.3731069

[fansince'76]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/970/007/c0c.gif

[86WARD]

This will be some nice off season drama...looking forward to seeing how this unfolds.

[BostonBlackie]

Once upon a time

http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/styles/gallery/public/media/2016/08/26/0828nd_qbs.jpg?itok=s5CGpg1S

[tube517]

949483603305598976

[fansince'76]

Once upon a time

http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/styles/gallery/public/media/2016/08/26/0828nd_qbs.jpg?itok=s5CGpg1S


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNEcQS4tXgQ

:chuckle:

[BostonBlackie]

^^^ impermanence

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Beijing_bouddhist_monk_2009_IMG_1486.JPG/1200px-Beijing_bouddhist_monk_2009_IMG_1486.JPG

[steelreserve]

Brady is the GOAT. It’s almost a closed discussion really. I’ll listen to Montana and Otto Graham or Johnny U. But some of the stuff floating here is downright silly.

They had a tall guy with accuracy. Drew Bledsoe. Brady is light years better than that.

Dude. Here's the story. Are there 20 or 30 guys on the NFL's all-time "good" list who you could plug into the Patriots circa 2000 and expect to win multiple championships? Absolutely. I don't know how much Bledsoe playing what, two games in that system before almost being killed goes to prove - but the fact that they could swap in someone like Matt Cassel for a full season, and only fall off by a game or so, says a hell of a lot more to me. That guy's probably not even on the all-time top 250 list.

Fact is Brady will probably continue to get the credit and there won't be any way of telling whether it was him or "the system" because Belichick won't stick around too long after that. Pretty sure their deal with the devil ends at the same time. He had such a boost from the system he plays in and other ... *ahem* ... advantages he had. He's a lucky son of a bitch, I'll grant him that, but that is not the same thing as "best of all time and the discussion is closed."

And you know what, the memorable moments in a player's career say a lot about their status as an all-time great. Joe Montana had The Catch and a 90-yard drive in a minute and a half to win the Super Bowl. Bradshaw had the Immaculate Reception and the Cowboys Lynn Swann catch and bunch of other cool shit. Hell, even Ben has the TD to Holmes. Brady has the Tuck Rule, a couple of cheating scandals, and some crappy 30-yard dives for Adam Vinateiri field goals. Even his signature moments are lame. The great Steelers teams have multiple rules named after them because they regularly beat the dogshit out of their opponents. Brady has a rule named after him for all the whining about him being hit too hard. He plays the position like a sniveling shit. A guy like that cannot be considered the greatest of all time at anything, even if he won eight consecutive Super Bowls legitimately, which mind you, he didn't.

[BlackAndGold]

Dude. Here's the story. Are there 20 or 30 guys on the NFL's all-time "good" list who you could plug into the Patriots circa 2000 and expect to win multiple championships? Absolutely. I don't know how much Bledsoe playing what, two games in that system before almost being killed goes to prove - but the fact that they could swap in someone like Matt Cassel for a full season, and only fall off by a game or so, says a hell of a lot more to me. That guy's probably not even on the all-time top 250 list.

Fact is Brady will probably continue to get the credit and there won't be any way of telling whether it was him or "the system" because Belichick won't stick around too long after that. Pretty sure their deal with the devil ends at the same time. He had such a boost from the system he plays in and other ... *ahem* ... advantages he had. He's a lucky son of a bitch, I'll grant him that, but that is not the same thing as "best of all time and the discussion is closed."

And you know what, the memorable moments in a player's career say a lot about their status as an all-time great. Joe Montana had The Catch and a 90-yard drive in a minute and a half to win the Super Bowl. Bradshaw had the Immaculate Reception and the Cowboys Lynn Swann catch and bunch of other cool shit. Hell, even Ben has the TD to Holmes. Brady has the Tuck Rule, a couple of cheating scandals, and some crappy 30-yard dives for Adam Vinateiri field goals. Even his signature moments are lame. The great Steelers teams have multiple rules named after them because they regularly beat the dogshit out of their opponents. Brady has a rule named after him for all the whining about him being hit too hard. He plays the position like a sniveling shit. A guy like that cannot be considered the greatest of all time at anything, even if he won eight consecutive Super Bowls legitimately, which mind you, he didn't.

What about both of his Super Bowl comebacks against the Seahawks and Atlanta?

You can hate on the guy, but give credit when credit is due.

[fansince'76]

Dude. Here's the story. Are there 20 or 30 guys on the NFL's all-time "good" list who you could plug into the Patriots circa 2000 and expect to win multiple championships? Absolutely. I don't know how much Bledsoe playing what, two games in that system before almost being killed goes to prove - but the fact that they could swap in someone like Matt Cassel for a full season, and only fall off by a game or so, says a hell of a lot more to me. That guy's probably not even on the all-time top 250 list.

Fact is Brady will probably continue to get the credit and there won't be any way of telling whether it was him or "the system" because Belichick won't stick around too long after that. Pretty sure their deal with the devil ends at the same time. He had such a boost from the system he plays in and other ... *ahem* ... advantages he had. He's a lucky son of a bitch, I'll grant him that, but that is not the same thing as "best of all time and the discussion is closed."

And you know what, the memorable moments in a player's career say a lot about their status as an all-time great. Joe Montana had The Catch and a 90-yard drive in a minute and a half to win the Super Bowl. Bradshaw had the Immaculate Reception and the Cowboys Lynn Swann catch and bunch of other cool shit. Hell, even Ben has the TD to Holmes. Brady has the Tuck Rule, a couple of cheating scandals, and some crappy 30-yard dives for Adam Vinateiri field goals. Even his signature moments are lame. The great Steelers teams have multiple rules named after them because they regularly beat the dogshit out of their opponents. Brady has a rule named after him for all the whining about him being hit too hard. He plays the position like a sniveling shit. A guy like that cannot be considered the greatest of all time at anything, even if he won eight consecutive Super Bowls legitimately, which mind you, he didn't.

If I were a GM starting up a team and I could have any QB from any era to start my team with, I'm still picking Dan Marino. He's still the best pure passer I've ever seen.

Wasn't his fault that the AFC was perennially the weak sister of the NFC during pretty much his entire career or the fact that Shula was unable to put a good enough team around him to compete with them (or even the better teams in the AFC in a number of cases, for that matter). At the end of the day, football is still a team sport and IMO, it isn't all about rings when it comes to judging QBs on an individual basis.

Speaking of which, and I'll go to my grave believing this, substitute Marino for O'Donnell in SB XXX and the Steelers win that game going away. Marino would have made Thigpen a multi-year Pro Bowler just like he did with Clayton and Duper.

I also think Marino would consistently put up 7,000+ passing yards and 50+ TDs a season (easy) under the current rules.

[BostonBlackie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnUEh6YwFJI

[steelreserve]

What about both of his Super Bowl comebacks against the Seahawks and Atlanta?

You can hate on the guy, but give credit when credit is due.

I don't know. I didn't watch either game, not going to watch either game, and they probably shouldn't have even been in the first one of those.

The whole point is the same - put any top-30 QB in there and more often than not, the system carries them to similar success. Reroll Tom Goatse's career with normal luck, and he wins maybe two championships. There are others who would've won more.

[DesertSteel]

Mike Tomczak > Tom Brady

[Mojouw]

I don't know. I didn't watch either game, not going to watch either game, and they probably shouldn't have even been in the first one of those.

The whole point is the same - put any top-30 QB in there and more often than not, the system carries them to similar success. Reroll Tom Goatse's career with normal luck, and he wins maybe two championships. There are others who would've won more.

Wait so your argument is based on not watching games and preconceived hate for a guy who has a legitimate claim to some of the best drives on the biggest stages?

As for the system thing, we gotta start ripping a lot of busts out of Canton if that’s a thing. Montana was like built in a lab for the West Coast system. Fouts puts up way less numbers if he doesn’t play in one of the pass happiest schemes of the era. Marino and Elway had schemes catered to their talents.

Sorry, I respect your opinion but the bias this one is filtered through is way too strong.

[FrancoLambert]

Wait so your argument is based on not watching games and preconceived hate for a guy who has a legitimate claim to some of the best drives on the biggest stages?

As for the system thing, we gotta start ripping a lot of busts out of Canton if that’s a thing. Montana was like built in a lab for the West Coast system. Fouts puts up way less numbers if he doesn’t play in one of the pass happiest schemes of the era. Marino and Elway had schemes catered to their talents.

Sorry, I respect your opinion but the bias this one is filtered through is way too strong.


Couldn't agree more.

I can't stand Brady, but to say the majority of his success stems from the system he plays in, the head coach he plays for, and cheating....well.....would you say the same thing about Bradshaw's 4 rings?

"He was lucky to play with arguably the greatest defense of all time, playing for one of the greatest coaches of all time, and protected by an O-line that was big into steroids at that time."

:nono:

[86WARD]

Couldn't agree more.

I can't stand Brady, but to say the majority of his success stems from the system he plays in, the head coach he plays for, and cheating....well.....would you say the same thing about Bradshaw's 4 rings?

"He was lucky to play with arguably the greatest defense of all time, playing for one of the greatest coaches of all time, and protected by an O-line that was big into steroids at that time."

:nono:

Yet with the game on the line, on the biggest stages in the world, said greatest defense of all time, looked average at best and Bradshaw carried the team to victory multiple times...calling his own plays. As for the O-Line on steroids...all NFL Players were doing it at that time. It wasn’t “illegal” then.

[cubanstogie]

It’s much more fun to watch guys like Marino throwing deep all day long with perfect spirals landing in stride with receiver than it is watching a tall guy throw 5 yarders. That doesn’t mean he is better QB. Brady takes what D gives you all day, and when D adjusts, he adjusts and throws over top for 20. Plus the dude only has one year where he didn’t have double digit wins. Best ever IMO. Maybe not aesthetically the best.

[Mojouw]

The ONE year Brady had a high end wideout that could get deep, they rewrote record books. I am no fan of the Pats, dislike the knee jerk bandwagon adulation of the franchise Yada yada...Tom Brady is really good.

[BostonBlackie]

Top ten longest throws, not catches, in NFL history. 4 belong to Brady.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPDFhlx2zj0

[Mojouw]

Top ten longest throws, not catches, in NFL history. 4 belong to Brady.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPDFhlx2zj0

While you will get no arguments from me on Taaawwwwmmmy's arm strength, I do find it hard to believe that no one threw over 65 yards prior to the early 1990s.

[Count Steeler]

While you will get no arguments from me on Taaawwwwmmmy's arm strength, I do find it hard to believe that no one threw over 65 yards prior to the early 1990s.

Bradshaw to Stallworth 75 yards in the SB in '79. For starters.

[BostonBlackie]

While you will get no arguments from me on Taaawwwwmmmy's arm strength, I do find it hard to believe that no one threw over 65 yards prior to the early 1990s.

I didn't make the video, only posted it, but you'd think so.

Of course as Marino said, a lot of people can throw over 65 yards, but can they hit anything? I think I read once that Sweetness could throw the length of the field.

[BostonBlackie]

Bradshaw to Stallworth 75 yards in the SB in '79. For starters.

They've got Bradshaw to Swann in there.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

What about both of his Super Bowl comebacks against the Seahawks and Atlanta?

You can hate on the guy, but give credit when credit is due. I agree.

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Wait so your argument is based on not watching games and preconceived hate for a guy who has a legitimate claim to some of the best drives on the biggest stages?

As for the system thing, we gotta start ripping a lot of busts out of Canton if that’s a thing. Montana was like built in a lab for the West Coast system. Fouts puts up way less numbers if he doesn’t play in one of the pass happiest schemes of the era. Marino and Elway had schemes catered to their talents.

Sorry, I respect your opinion but the bias this one is filtered through is way too strong. Great points. Preach on!

[EzraTank]

I hate the Patriots but Brady is the greatest QB of all time.

The only year the Pats haven't made the playoffs since 2002 is the year Brady went down (2008) and even then they finished 11-5 and missed out on the playoffs because of two weird tie breakers.

[BostonBlackie]

Of course in the final analysis what makes a guy like Brady is his competitiveness. The only other athletes in the history of Boston sports that were as competitive as Brady IMO were Larry Bird, and Dave Cowens. Russell was competitive, he used to fight Chamberlain nearly to death, but Auerbach had to stoke his fire to keep him going. Bird, Cowens, and Brady are/were all self starters.

[Patriot71]

I didn't make the video, only posted it, but you'd think so.

Of course as Marino said, a lot of people can throw over 65 yards, but can they hit anything? I think I read once that Sweetness could throw the length of the field.


No he couldn't.

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Okay back on topic because the Brady haters really sound dumb.


There's no controversy in the Patriots organization. Sorry guys but they are focused. It’s Just the annual effort from the media, opponents and league to give the other contenders a fighting chance. Cheating some would call it.

[tube517]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1zRjVCrPH8

Sweetness had 8 TD passes in his career. I totally forgot about that.

At 1:09 you see our DC playing LB for the Bitch Pigeons.

[GBMelBlount]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1zRjVCrPH8

Sweetness had 8 TD passes in his career. I totally forgot about that.

At 1:09 you see our DC playing LB for the Bitch Pigeons.

Holy heck, those were all great passes.

I am very curious how many attempts he had?

[Patriot71]

Holy heck, those were all great passes.

I am very curious how many attempts he had?


34 attempts 11 completions 8 TD's

[Lady Steel]

No he couldn't.

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Okay back on topic because the Brady haters really sound dumb.


There's no controversy in the Patriots organization. Sorry guys but they are focused. It’s Just the annual effort from the media, opponents and league to give the other contenders a fighting chance. Cheating some would call it.


Brady knob slobbers really sound dumb.

[Patriot71]

Brady knob slobbers really sound dumb.

Stays the lady who obviously has no idea what she's seeing while watching a game. But I'm sure that you do know your knob slobbering.

[86WARD]

How does one explain Belichick trading Garoppolo for less at the end of the season than what he could’ve had in the spring or summer? Much less...

[Lady Steel]

Stays the lady who obviously has no idea what she's seeing while watching a game. But I'm sure that you do know your knob slobbering.

Ooooooh, you sure told me, Masshole. :rolleyes:

Yep, you're all the same. Every last one of ya.

[43Hitman]

Stays the lady who obviously has no idea what she's seeing while watching a game. But I'm sure that you do know your knob slobbering.
Don't be a douche while visiting our forums asshat.

[Patriot71]

Don't be a douche while visiting our forums asshat.


Screw you douche nozzle. I gave her back the same thing she gave me. Same with you Butt plug. Maybe you should treat guest better if you can't take what you dish?
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Ooooooh, you sure told me, Masshole. :rolleyes:

Yep, you're all the same. Every last one of ya.

No we aren't all the same. Stupid statement and Masshole is a proud moniker dumbass.

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How does one explain Belichick trading Garoppolo for less at the end of the season than what he could’ve had in the spring or summer? Much less...


What I've learned is you don't try to figure him out. Just trust him. How can you not?

[86WARD]

What I've learned is you don't try to figure him out. Just trust him. How can you not?

No. This is very unlike Belichick. Not only did he get less than what he could have but at the time he put his teams depth in serious jeopardy had Brady got hurt. There was no guarantee that Homer would’ve cleared waivers. Belichick gambled and won there but it’s still a huge downgrade from Garropolo. It’s just not a Belichick type move...he’s smarter than that.

[Patriot71]

No. This is very unlike Belichick. Not only did he get less than what he could have but at the time he put his teams depth in serious jeopardy had Brady got hurt. There was no guarantee that Homer would’ve cleared waivers. Belichick gambled and won there but it’s still a huge downgrade from Garropolo. It’s just not a Belichick type move...he’s smarter than that.



Good points and no one can figure it out as much as it's been talked about up here. But Kraft, BB and Brady have all said everything is fine. The article has proven to be false on every level.

[BostonBlackie]

No. This is very unlike Belichick. Not only did he get less than what he could have but at the time he put his teams depth in serious jeopardy had Brady got hurt. There was no guarantee that Homer would’ve cleared waivers. Belichick gambled and won there but it’s still a huge downgrade from Garropolo. It’s just not a Belichick type move...he’s smarter than that.


Belichick went to the wire with Garoppolo. He kept him as long as he did because that was the smart thing to do. They apparently offered him good money to keep him around, he didn't take it. Belichick didn't have another move other than trading Brady, and I'm sure he felt the best shot now was with with Brady. Letting Garoppolo go is a bitter pill to swallow, but Belichick really had no choice.

[AtlantaDan]

No. This is very unlike Belichick. Not only did he get less than what he could have but at the time he put his teams depth in serious jeopardy had Brady got hurt. There was no guarantee that Homer would’ve cleared waivers. Belichick gambled and won there but it’s still a huge downgrade from Garropolo. It’s just not a Belichick type move...he’s smarter than that.

SI interview with the ESPN reporter on the story

Why would the game's shrewdest long-term strategist trade two backup quarterbacks in a two-month span when his starter was 40 years old and banged up? ...

I knew that they would deny that a meeting between Kraft and Belichick about Garoppolo took place. I worked on the story for two months and I had multiple conversations with multiple sources about that meeting. And I stand by my reporting.

https://www.si.com/tech-media/2018/01/07/jon-gruden-raiders-espn-monday-night-football

Brady rolls with the explanation it is simply a matter of selecting the alternative facts you prefer, which is as good an explanation as any for the Pats history of engaging in then denying sketchy behavior

Asked what was true in the story, Brady called that "a tough question."

"Everyone has different truths," Brady said.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22012605/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-says-celebrate-jimmy-garopplo-trade-san-francisco-49ers

[86WARD]

Good points and no one can figure it out as much as it's been talked about up here. But Kraft, BB and Brady have all said everything is fine. The article has proven to be false on every level.

Of course that’s what the three of them are going to say. You think they would say what actually happened? The story hasn’t been proven false on ANY level...lol.

[86WARD]

Belichick went to the wire with Garoppolo. He kept him as long as he did because that was the smart thing to do. They apparently offered him good money to keep him around, he didn't take it. Belichick didn't have another move other than trading Brady, and I'm sure he felt the best shot now was with with Brady. Letting Garoppolo go is a bitter pill to swallow, but Belichick really had no choice.

He had plenty of moves other than taking MUCH less than he did. He could’ve went back to the Browns, he could’ve kept him as insurance if Brady went down...seeing that it’s been reported Brady has had a bad ACL, he could’ve kept him and traded him once the season was over or placed a tag on him and gotten more than what he did from the Niners. Do that for a couple seasons and at that point deal with an aging Brady. There were plenty of options other than taking a last minute deal from the 49ers. When was the last time the Patriots got raped in a trade? Pretty much never...the move wasn’t a Belichick style move. He’s not one to panic and take what he can get unless his hand is forced.

[Mojouw]

Gotta figure Kraft pit his foot down. Based on past record, the most Belichick move would've been to trade Brady. It fits with a pattern of previous moves

Something had to have changed.


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[DesertSteel]

Good points and no one can figure it out as much as it's been talked about up here. But Kraft, BB and Brady have all said everything is fine. The article has proven to be false on every level.
Based on what? Their denial or independent reliable sources? If the latter would you link?

[Count Steeler]

Stays the lady who obviously has no idea what she's seeing while watching a game. But I'm sure that you do know your knob slobbering.

That bought you 1 week on the sidelines. Next time, it is permanent.

[st33lersguy]

Gotta figure Kraft pit his foot down. Based on past record, the most Belichick move would've been to trade Brady. It fits with a pattern of previous moves

Something had to have changed.


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Agreed. Kraft wants to see how many more years he can get out of Brady and probably wanted to get something for Jimmy G.

[st33lersguy]

Ooooooh, you sure told me, Masshole. :rolleyes:

Yep, you're all the same. Every last one of ya.

If I had the power to ban only one of the following three: Crash, TeeTee, and typical Patriots fan, I'd ban the typical Patriots fan without a second thought.

[BostonBlackie]

He had plenty of moves other than taking MUCH less than he did. He could’ve went back to the Browns, he could’ve kept him as insurance if Brady went down...seeing that it’s been reported Brady has had a bad ACL, he could’ve kept him and traded him once the season was over or placed a tag on him and gotten more than what he did from the Niners. Do that for a couple seasons and at that point deal with an aging Brady. There were plenty of options other than taking a last minute deal from the 49ers. When was the last time the Patriots got raped in a trade? Pretty much never...the move wasn’t a Belichick style move. He’s not one to panic and take what he can get unless his hand is forced.

They tried to keep him, he wanted to play. Unlike the Steelers with Harrison, they let him go and play. It's that simple. And no, they weren't going to ship him to some sh*thole like Cleve, or benefit some other AFC team. If he wasn't going to play for us he's right where he should be for him, the league, and the Patriots.

And BTW, if he wants to come back it's very easy. He forces San Francisco to franchise him twice, at the end of that Brady's gone, he signs with us.