Steelers activate Gilbert; release James Harrison

[hawaiiansteeler]

Steelers activate Gilbert; release Harrison

The Steelers have activated Marcus Gilbert and released James Harrison.

The Steelers activated offensive tackle Marcus Gilbert from the Reserve/Suspended by Commissioner List to the active roster, it was announced today.

To make room on the roster, the Steelers released linebacker James Harrison. Harrison, the team’s all-time sack leader with 80.5, originally signed with the Steelers as an undrafted rookie free agent on April 22, 2002. He’s started 107-of-177 regular-season games played for Pittsburgh (117-of-192 in his NFL career).

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[BlackAndGold]

Wow.

[43Hitman]

:uhoh: In before board explodes. :lol:


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[st33lersguy]

Is this team abusing stupid pills? The amount of stupid displayed here is unbearable. There are a bunch of scrubs on this team that have never contributed to the team and instead, they disrespect the team's all-time sack leader by dumping him 2 weeks before the playoffs. Sheer stupidity

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Patriots sign Deebo, and he strip sacks Ben. This will come after Stevan Ridley fumbles

[86WARD]

Wow. He’s not the most talented anymore but you keep a guy like him around...don’t like this at all. Kind of a slap in the face...

[Drazo85]

Classless move. Absolutely classless!

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[86WARD]

McCullers should’ve been cut.

[Method28]

Wow, what a slap in the face to Deebo

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[st33lersguy]

On second thought, I totally get the move. After all, they didn't need him on the roster. They were set at OLB with Dud Dupree's impeccable ability to get completely pushed out of the play all the time and Chickillo and Moats' keen ability to do contribute absolutely nothing. And it's not like veteran leadership is ever useful for a relatively young and inexperienced team come playoff time

[Bluecoat96]

I'm sure there's more to this story than we message board members know. Let's see how this plays out over the next few days first before losing our shit.

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[AtlantaDan]

That is a shabby way to treat a legendary Steeler (not HOF level but a definite great) given some of the dregs who are on the roster and have not contributed all season

Between this and the finger pointing over the end of New England game cluster I do not feel great about the locker room vibe of this team right now

[DesertSteel]

Don’t like this. Did deebo force their hand?

[BlackAndGold]

Patriots sign Deebo, and he strip sacks Ben. This will come after Stevan Ridley fumbles

Why in the hell would the Pats sign Harrison?

Sad this make you wish for the team to lose.

[Mojouw]

Far classier to release Harrison and allow him the chance to resurface on another playoff roster or at least a team that will give him an opportunity to put some recent play on film.

It’s better than not activating him each week.


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[katmandu]

WTF ??????????????????????????????????

Debo was playing like a MAD-MAN whenever he was put in games this season ?

Seriously now. WTF ????????

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Perhaps James tee'd off on Tomlin/Butler for NOT using him very much this season and they pussied out and end up releasing him. ???

[JayC]

what the fuck. i mean JH isn't playing but i'm still surprised.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Fucking weak.

[Fire Goodell]

Well shit. Father time's record improves to 132,142,313,234,453-0

[teegre]

Harrison will sign with the Taperiots by the end of the day.

[DesertSteel]

If you look back on Steeler dynasties, this is how they operated with the great ones.

[st33lersguy]

I would have been fine if they released him at the end of the year after the season is over, but right before playoff time allowing for a playoff team to sign him? They didn't think this through at all

[Bluecoat96]

I would have been fine if they released him at the end of the year after the season is over, but right before playoff time allowing for a playoff team to sign him? They didn't think this through at allYou're right. They didn't think it through. The Steelers coaches and front office are clueless.

Note sarcasm.

Let's see how this plays out. Harrison practiced and worked out in the facility today. I also saw that they would stand to lose possible comp picks if they cut another player, even a schmo like McCullers.

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[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Harrison will sign with the Taperiots by the end of the day. Titans.

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There has to be more to this and Bet James asked to be released if they was not going to play him.

[Shoes]

Maybe he was bitching a bunch for not playing causing discord in the LR?. If he goes to another team then I guess he hasn't learned his lesson from last time. But I don't understand this one, Big Dan should have been dumped.

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The #Steelers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash) cutting James Harrison makes sense. Probably the least-likely player to get claimed off waivers. Could return on Monday night

[Count Steeler]

Must be in Tomlin's dog house.

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[Psycho Ward 86]

Why in the hell would the Pats sign Harrison?

Sad this make you wish for the team to lose.

they do have a pass rush ranked at or near the bottom of the league. im hoping this is just in hopes of Harrison clearing waivers because this just looks like a terrible move by all accounts.

[BlackAndGold]

they do have a pass rush ranked at or near the bottom of the league. im hoping this is just in hopes of Harrison clearing waivers because this just looks like a terrible move by all accounts.

JH doesn't fit their defense.

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I believe Hunter could have been the player released if AB wasn't hurt.

McCullers would've been my choice, but the Steelers usually keep 6 DL.

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Harrison might be older and not as dominating as he once was, but he lead the team in sacks last year and for four more games, he might help a playoff team in need of pass rush---um, NE?

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[salamander]

$10 says he signs with New England.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

If pick up by another team he may just retire too.

[GBMelBlount]

Don’t like this.

Did deebo force their hand?

My thoughts as well.

[43Hitman]

If James could give us anything they would have kept him. Its time to move on folks, this ship has sailed about 6 weeks ago. If he clears waivers and comes back and does well(I doubt it though) then I'll gladly eat that crow sandwich.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Seriously IF TJ would get hurt what would be the genius Butler's answer now ?

[hawaiiansteeler]

$10 says he signs with New England.

$10 says Deebo re-signs with us...

[Born2Steel]

Harrison has already been made inactive due to illness. Not that big of a deal.

[Neversatisfied]

Let go 2 days before Christmas, Way to go Steelers! I realize that the NFL is a business but why now? This move seems like something that SHOULD piss off some of those players in that locker room who are longtime friends/teammates. Spineless from a generally classy organization.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Let go 2 days before Christmas, Way to go Steelers! I realize that the NFL is a business but why now? This move seems like something that SHOULD piss off some of those players in that locker room who are longtime friends/teammates. Spineless from a generally classy organization. I feel ya and this maybe another reason that leads to Ben hang it up after this season. If he don't clear waivers and brought back it is not a cool move.

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[EzraTank]

I may be in the minority here but I think James was done. The few plays he was in on he looked slow.

The guy is almost 40, which at his position is way past his use by date.

[Shoes]

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The Bengals will pick him up. :lol:

[tube517]

I don't like it either but I remember seeing Franco Harris in a Bitch Pigeon uniform in 1984 made me reach for some Tums.

[86WARD]

Didn’t the Steelers pull this move with another vet recently and then sign him back after that weeks game?

Got to be more to it then them just outright cutting him. If he clears waivers, he could sign right back after the week.

[Devilsdancefloor]

$10 says Deebo re-signs with us...

qft im just speechless right now after monday does fort get released and deebo back?

[steelreserve]

Seems like it could be a trick to keep an extra player since they know he's inactive this week. Anyone else picks up even a modest injury this late in the season, it's straight to IR for them and the space opens back up. Possibly what we are doing.

Or, maybe he did something like take a shit on Tomlin's car.

[BlackAndGold]

Let go 2 days before Christmas, Way to go Steelers! I realize that the NFL is a business but why now? This move seems like something that SHOULD piss off some of those players in that locker room who are longtime friends/teammates. Spineless from a generally classy organization.

If Harrison wasn't cut someone else would have. A move had to be made to create room on the roster for Gilbert.

Nothing spineless about it.

[Shoes]

$10 says Deebo re-signs with us...

I think this makes sense.

[cubanstogie]

I wonder if steeldude thinks they should have waived Bud instead? I do hope they give him a SB ring that would be nice gesture.

[teegre]

I do hope they give him a SB ring that would be nice gesture.

By NFL rules, they “have” to... because, he was on the roster at some point during the season (it’s amazing just how many players get rings).

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

By NFL rules, they “have” to... because, he was on the roster at some point during the season (it’s amazing just how many players get rings). When did that rule come in ? I know the scab players got screwed out of rings back in the 80's

[teegre]

When did that rule come in ? I know the scab players got screwed out of rings back in the 80's

IDK, but I know that I heard an interview during the Steelers 2008 SuperBowl week, where some dude on the Ravens 2000 squad got one for basically being on the roster for a week, but he never wore the ring (because, he felt like he didn’t earn it).

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

IDK, but I know that I heard an interview during the Steelers 2008 SuperBowl week, where some dude on the Ravens 2000 squad got one for basically being on the roster for a week, but he never wore the ring (because, he felt like he didn’t earn it). Had to be later then the 80's and like I mentioned The Redskins scab players got screwed and not only on the roster but played in games. Anyways that is a good rule then but if Harrison goes to another team I'm sure that nullifies it and no ring then.

Ps. THE 30 FOR 30 about that scab players is one of my favs.

[teegre]

Had to be later then the 80's and like I mentioned The Redskins scab players got screwed and not only on the roster but played in games. Anyways that is a good rule then but if Harrison goes to another team I'm sure that nullifies it and no ring then.

Ps. THE 30 FOR 30 about that scab players is one of my favs.

30 for 30 is the only good thing on ESPN.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

30 for 30 is the only good thing on ESPN. Yep Amen!

[Rotorhead]

I imagine they planned to cut him in the offseason, so makes sense (not that I like it at all) to waive him instead of a player they want back next season. However I think we may have screwed ourselves if we get an injury to our OLB, he is probably the 3rd best rusher on the team. And for those saying he looked slow, how do you think you would play after several weeks of riding the bench, he needs at least a game or 2 to round into form (see Bell!). What we should have done was cut McCullers and rested TJ more the next 2 games so he has more left come playoffs by splitting time with JH so we could use home for pressure against Brady.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I imagine they planned to cut him in the offseason, so makes sense (not that I like it at all) to waive him instead of a player they want back next season. However I think we may have screwed ourselves if we get an injury to our OLB, he is probably the 3rd best rusher on the team. And for those saying he looked slow, how do you think you would play after several weeks of riding the bench, he needs at least a game or 2 to round into form (see Bell!). What we should have done was cut McCullers and rested TJ more the next 2 games so he has more left come playoffs by splitting time with JH so we could use home for pressure against Brady. Yep what I said earlier in the post if TJ gets hurt and what is butler going to do then ?

[DesertSteel]

Yep what I said earlier in the post if TJ gets hurt and what is butler going to do then ?
Chick.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Chick. Yep and my point.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I'm sure there is more to this and probably cause of James complaining but still a sh!it move by the steelers to do this 2 days before Christmas. You don't do that to your all time sack leader and one of the biggest fan favorites ever. Ben and James seem close and bet Ben is done after this year for sure now. Ps. I think James retires or doesn't comeback even if he passes waivers but we shall see.

[Steeldude]

Yep what I said earlier in the post if TJ gets hurt and what is butler going to do then ?

Even if Watt and Dupree went down they still wouldn't have put Harrison in. Something isn't right at all about this. They start the painfully useless Jarvis Jones for years, but can't seem to manage to put Harrison in for some snaps.

If he signs with the Pats that could be trouble for the Steelers. But according to many on here it is literally impossible for Harrison to be effective in the NFL.

But it's ok because the Steelers have held onto McCullers.

[Steel 36 Bus]

Jame will get to spend Christmas with his kids now. he said he didn't like playing on Christmas day. and since he wasn't going to play anyways. would not be surprised to see him added back to the team Tuesday morning.

[Steeldude]

Jame will get to spend Christmas with his kids now. he said he didn't like playing on Christmas day. and since he wasn't going to play anyways. would not be surprised to see him added back to the team Tuesday morning.

If Harrison does play for the Patriots I hope he will be ineffective vs the Steelers.

[Steeldude]

I suppose he could clear waivers and be re-signed. Patriots could try to sign him, but they run a 4-3. Perhaps the Chiefs, Titans or Ravens. I seriously doubt a non-playoff team would sign any player at this point of the season.

[pczach]

This is just going to have to play itself out before we know what happened or how this ends.

[Devilsdancefloor]

im going to throw this out there i am wondering if james wanted christmas off i remember last year he didnt want to play on christmas. So maybe it was a hey if im not gonna play cut me type thing and than next wek he resigns and we cut...... fort? i think his leadership will be needed in the playoffs along with his play

[EzraTank]

I'd like to see Bell run him over in a Pats uniform for the winning AFCCG TD.

[zulater]

This is just going to have to play itself out before we know what happened or how this ends.


My thoughts exactly!

[Method28]

im going to throw this out there i am wondering if james wanted christmas off i remember last year he didnt want to play on christmas. So maybe it was a hey if im not gonna play cut me type thing and than next wek he resigns and we cut...... fort? i think his leadership will be needed in the playoffs along with his playI would've agreed had Harrison not posted that farewell message. That has me thinking he's either retiring or will sign with a team that would allow him to get some snaps in

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[BlackAndGold]

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[DesertSteel]

Cutting Harrison... benching Burns... they're sending a message. This ain't the good ship lollipop. There's ONE goal.

[86WARD]

If Harrison wasn't cut someone else would have. A move had to be made to create room on the roster for Gilbert.

Nothing spineless about it.

McCullers.

[SteelerFanInStl]

McCullers.

That would've made entirely too much sense.

[Bluecoat96]

Harrison won't get the team any comp picks. McCullers, as much as he might blow, could get the team a comp pick when he signs elsewhere.

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[BlackAndGold]

McCullers.

Steelers always keep 6 DL

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Please come back, James!

If the Ravens or Patriots pick him up, I'm going to lose my shit. :pin:

[salamander]

For whatever it's worth....

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/Bolt/New-England-Patriots-Baltimore-Ravens-want-James-Harrison-112710836/Amp

[DesertSteel]

For whatever it's worth....

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It is what it is. He could still contribute but he’s not going to be the difference maker on a team getting past us.

[AtlantaDan]

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[st33lersguy]

If Watt goes down, this team is screwed. There's literally no depth at the olb position

[86WARD]

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This is why I think it’s a bad move...

[Shoes]

If James wanted released because of not playing, the team had little option but to grant his wishes. All I can say is, if this is the case he hasn't learned anything from his last Bengal episode.

[Born2Steel]

When JH came out of retirement, he said then he only did it for the Steelers. His boys wanted him to stay retired until he told them he would be playing for the Steelers, then they said yes. I'm not saying he won't play elsewhere, but I would be a little shocked if he chose to play for NE or Baltimore. I could see him staying closer to home and playing for the Eagles maybe, or going to play for Lebeau again, but the other team destinations just don't make sense considering JH's history.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Multiple Steelers blast James Harrison, who says playing time was reason for exit

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21893214/multiple-pittsburgh-steelers-blast-james-harrison-forcing-exit

[Steeldude]

If James wanted released because of not playing, the team had little option but to grant his wishes. All I can say is, if this is the case he hasn't learned anything from his last Bengal episode.

Apparently Harrison asked for his release in the beginning of the season and they said no. He asked again later and they fed him a lie about an OLB may get hurt so we need you. Which is of course crap because Harrison was 5th on the depth and inactive for many games.

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If Watt goes down, this team is screwed. There's literally no depth at the olb position

According to the coach Harrison is below Chickillo and Moats so he wouldn't play a down. If Watt went down they would probably sign a FA OLB and Harrison would remain inactive. Also, according to some fans Harrison is totally incapable of playing football. You know, the same crap they said when the Steelers let him go last time.

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Steelers always keep 6 DL

They could have cut McCullers. If someone went down they could have re-signed him or signed any DL scrub to equal his output. McCullers is nothing more than a warm body. McCullers probably won't be on the team next year.

[Method28]

Seems like Harrison is just being a bitter prick. Not mad that he signed with NE. Definitely disappointed if all those things that are coming out are true. I always envisioned Harrison as an ideal teammate. Not some whiny issue-causing asshat

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[Steeldude]

Seems like Harrison is just being a bitter prick. Not mad that he signed with NE. Definitely disappointed if all those things that are coming out are true. I always envisioned Harrison as an ideal teammate. Not some whiny issue-causing asshat

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Tomlin appears to have lied to Harrison about time and refused to release him early in the season when Harrison asked.

[pczach]

Apparently Harrison asked for his release in the beginning of the season and they said no. He asked again later and they fed him a lie about an OLB may get hurt so we need you. Which is of course crap because Harrison was 5th on the depth and inactive for many games.

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According to the coach Harrison is below Chickillo and Moats so he wouldn't play a down. If Watt went down they would probably sign a FA OLB and Harrison would remain inactive. Also, according to some fans Harrison is totally incapable of playing football. You know, the same crap they said when the Steelers let him go last time.

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They could have cut McCullers. If someone went down they could have re-signed him or signed any DL scrub to equal his output. McCullers is nothing more than a warm body. McCullers probably won't be on the team next year.



.......or Harrison should have actually been a member of the team.

He should have helped other teammates better learn the position and mentor them like all other great Steelers players have.

He should have worked on agility and conditioning drills instead of just strength exercises and posting on social media.

We're finding out he didn't do anything to earn any time on the field, because anyone that acted like this whose name isn't James Harrison would have been ridiculed by people like you and thrown out on the street much earlier in the season.

Just being James Harrison doesn't excuse being a complete asshole and not trying to help the team in any way. He became the cancer to this team. The team didn't make him an asshole that hurt the locker room. He made that decision all by himself.

It's time for your one-man crusade to stop. Your comments are silly and frankly, embarrassing. For a guy that speaks about old-school values, toughness in players, and liberal thinking, you have completely lost sight of what a Steelers player should be. Your pride and stubbornness on this issue is clouding your judgement and your ability to make sense.

Tell me something about Harrison's behavior that has been confirmed and commented on by his ex-teammates that you would tolerate from any other player.

You have been wrong about him. Just admit it.

[pczach]

Apparently Harrison asked for his release in the beginning of the season and they said no. He asked again later and they fed him a lie about an OLB may get hurt so we need you. Which is of course crap because Harrison was 5th on the depth and inactive for many games.

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According to the coach Harrison is below Chickillo and Moats so he wouldn't play a down. If Watt went down they would probably sign a FA OLB and Harrison would remain inactive. Also, according to some fans Harrison is totally incapable of playing football. You know, the same crap they said when the Steelers let him go last time.

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They could have cut McCullers. If someone went down they could have re-signed him or signed any DL scrub to equal his output. McCullers is nothing more than a warm body. McCullers probably won't be on the team next year.



.......or Harrison should have actually been a member of the team.

He should have helped other teammates better learn the position and mentor them like all other great Steelers players have.

He should have worked on agility and conditioning drills instead of just strength exercises and posting on social media.

We're finding out he didn't do anything to earn any time on the field, because anyone that acted like this whose name isn't James Harrison would have been ridiculed by people like you and thrown out on the street much earlier in the season.

Just being James Harrison doesn't excuse being a complete asshole and not trying to help the team in any way. He became the cancer to this team. The team didn't make him an asshole that hurt the locker room. He made that decision all by himself.

It's time for your one-man crusade to stop. Your comments are silly and frankly, embarrassing. For a guy that speaks about old-school values, toughness in players, and liberal thinking, you have completely lost sight of what a Steelers player should be. Your pride and stubbornness on this issue is clouding your judgement and your ability to make sense.

Tell me something about Harrison's behavior that has been confirmed and commented on by his ex-teammates that you would tolerate from any other player.

You have been wrong about him. Just admit it.

[Shoes]

Apparently Harrison asked for his release in the beginning of the season and they said no. He asked again later and they fed him a lie about an OLB may get hurt so we need you. Which is of course crap because Harrison was 5th on the depth and inactive for many games.

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According to the coach Harrison is below Chickillo and Moats so he wouldn't play a down. If Watt went down they would probably sign a FA OLB and Harrison would remain inactive. Also, according to some fans Harrison is totally incapable of playing football. You know, the same crap they said when the Steelers let him go last time.

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They could have cut McCullers. If someone went down they could have re-signed him or signed any DL scrub to equal his output. McCullers is nothing more than a warm body. McCullers probably won't be on the team next year.

Harrison is a shit boot who tried to carry his on field intimidation reputation in off field conditions. This young team will gain new life with this asshole gone. Bottom line is he was beat by a rookie and has severe butt hurt over it. Great leader and leadership skills in action. He's a shit bucket.

[Steeldude]

.......or Harrison should have actually been a member of the team.

He should have helped other teammates better learn the position and mentor them like all other great Steelers players have.

He should have worked on agility and conditioning drills instead of just strength exercises and posting on social media.

We're finding out he didn't do anything to earn any time on the field, because anyone that acted like this whose name isn't James Harrison would have been ridiculed by people like you and thrown out on the street much earlier in the season.

Just being James Harrison doesn't excuse being a complete asshole and not trying to help the team in any way. He became the cancer to this team. The team didn't make him an asshole that hurt the locker room. He made that decision all by himself.

It's time for your one-man crusade to stop. Your comments are silly and frankly, embarrassing. For a guy that speaks about old-school values, toughness in players, and liberal thinking, you have completely lost sight of what a Steelers player should be. Your pride and stubbornness on this issue is clouding your judgement and your ability to make sense.

Tell me something about Harrison's behavior that has been confirmed and commented on by his ex-teammates that you would tolerate from any other player.

You have been wrong about him. Just admit it.

He realized they weren't going to use him so he asked early in the season to be released multiple times. They refused. Instead of releasing him they fed him lies about playing him. Even Dupree acknowledged Harrison wanted out early in the season. Why didn't Tomlin release him in the beginning of the season? Was it so he wouldn't end up in Baltimore or another AFC playoff hopeful? There was no point in keeping Harrison. Do you know of any reason why they should not have released Harrison earlier when he asked? I mean, you are all saying Harrison is completely useless and he literally cannot play in coverage so wouldn't it make sense to release him?

Dupree said he didn't go to team meetings because he wasn't going to be active for that week. Makes sense. A 15-year veteran doesn't need to be involved in the team meetings if he is going to be inactive. It appears the meetings were voluntary because he would have been suspended if they were mandatory.

I am not the only person who felt Harrison should have been given some snaps. I realize you are completely obsessed with me though. It's ok, I am used to people like you : )

What was I wrong about? That my opinion was Harrison should have been given playing time?

What's laughable it the traitor talk from you people. I thought it was a business?

[pczach]

He realized they weren't going to use him so he asked early in the season to be released multiple times. They refused. Instead of releasing him they fed him lies about playing him. Even Dupree acknowledged Harrison wanted out early in the season. Why didn't Tomlin release him in the beginning of the season? Was it so he wouldn't end up in Baltimore or another AFC playoff hopeful? There was no point in keeping Harrison. Do you know of any reason why they should not have released Harrison earlier when he asked? I mean, you are all saying Harrison is completely useless and he literally cannot play in coverage so wouldn't it make sense to release him?

Dupree said he didn't go to team meetings because he wasn't going to be active for that week. Makes sense. A 15-year veteran doesn't need to be involved in the team meetings if he is going to be inactive. It appears the meetings were voluntary because he would have been suspended if they were mandatory.

I am not the only person who felt Harrison should have been given some snaps. I realize you are completely obsessed with me though. It's ok, I am used to people like you : )

What was I wrong about? That my opinion was Harrison should have been given playing time?

What's laughable it the traitor talk from you people. I thought it was a business?



He was supposed to be a leader and a mentor to the young Steeler players, particularly the linebackers. How is it that you won't allow yourself to see the obvious.

He wasn't brought back to dominate as a player because he can't do that anymore.

You aren't the only person that thought he should get more snaps. I felt he should have gotten some snaps too. When he didn't, it became obvious to me that he either wasn't good enough to get on the field anymore, or there was more going on. At that point, a reasonable person knows that James doesn't have it anymore and isn't capable of doing everything on the field that is demanded of a player in the scheme.

You have been the biggest JH cheerleader at this message board the last few years. I have no obsession with you. I am not the only person who feels you obsess with James Harrison. Everyone knows where you stand on the Harrison issue because you post it in every thread you participate in.

Now you worry about traitor talk? You have no problem insulting any player you don't deem worthy. Any player that isn't good enough in your eyes, you insult and demand their release. It just happens to be your hero that shit the bed and makes you look like a fool.

What's wrong Steeldude? Need a timeout to cool down?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Harrison is a shit boot who tried to carry his on field intimidation reputation in off field conditions. This young team will gain new life with this asshole gone. Bottom line is he was beat by a rookie and has severe butt hurt over it. Great leader and leadership skills in action. He's a shit bucket.

I don't know, I have a hard time cheering for a guy for 13 seasons and now turning all of this hate that some posters have in his way. Did he suddenly make a 180 degree turn?

He has always been a guy that leads by example, not by words. I don't see him being a mentor as much as Joey Porter should be. Yes, his sleeping in meetings or not attending meetings is clearly trying to be a malcontent, a disruption, as any 39 year old veteran NFL player knows those are not actions which are good for the team. Kind of sad to see a guy that was such a grinder to get to the NFL, slide to be such a variety of disrespectful actions on his way out of the NFL.

[DesertSteel]

I don't know, I have a hard time cheering for a guy for 13 seasons and now turning all of this hate that some posters have in his way. Did he suddenly make a 180 degree turn?

He has always been a guy that leads by example, not by words. I don't see him being a mentor as much as Joey Porter should be. Yes, his sleeping in meetings or not attending meetings is clearly trying to be a malcontent, a disruption, as any 39 year old veteran NFL player knows those are not actions which are good for the team. Kind of sad to see a guy that was such a grinder to get to the NFL, slide to be such a variety of disrespectful actions on his way out of the NFL.For me it would be hard to make that turn also. The tipping point for me is the fact that his own teammates are speaking out against him. That speaks volumes to me. I will draw a parallel. In addition to being a Steelers fan, I am a Reds fan in baseball. I grew up between Pitt and Cincy and it was the Big Red Machine in baseball for me. I loved Pete Rose and felt he should be in the Hall. The reason I changed my mind is that Joe Morgan and Johnny Bench came out strongly that he should not be in. My feeling was that if his own teammates who played with him felt he should be out, that was enough for me. With Harrison, I'm just waiting for the teammate to step forward and defend him and say he was a good teammate. While I won't call him a POS, I also have no respect for him and hope he gets cut after one game.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

For me it would be hard to make that turn also. The tipping point for me is the fact that his own teammates are speaking out against him. That speaks volumes to me. I will draw a parallel. In addition to being a Steelers fan, I am a Reds fan in baseball. I grew up between Pitt and Cincy and it was the Big Red Machine in baseball for me. I loved Pete Rose and felt he should be in the Hall. The reason I changed my mind is that Joe Morgan and Johnny Bench came out strongly that he should not be in. My feeling was that if his own teammates who played with him felt he should be out, that was enough for me. With Harrison, I'm just waiting for the teammate to step forward and defend him and say he was a good teammate. While I won't call him a POS, I also have no respect for him and hope he gets cut after one game.

I agree. I don't wish any ill will on the guy, I just hope he is a non factor from a playing standpoint this year. When your teammates are speaking out, it speaks to his character for sure.

[86WARD]

Tomlin appears to have lied to Harrison about time and refused to release him early in the season when Harrison asked.

Because you just don’t go giving in to every players request. Lol. It would be stupid at that stage for Tomlin to release Harrison not knowing if they need him or not. If he released Harrison when James initially asked, you would be the first person up in arms about it and don’t even try to say you wouldn’t have been.

I guess if a team has better talent sitting on the bench, the right thing to do is let them sit there because they promised the lesser player more playing time...lol.

[DesertSteel]

Because you just don’t go giving in to every players request. Lol. It would be stupid at that stage for Tomlin to release Harrison not knowing if they need him or not. If he released Harrison when James initially asked, you would be the first person up in arms about it and don’t even try to say you wouldn’t have been.

I guess if a team has better talent sitting on the bench, the right thing to do is let them sit there because they promised the lesser player more playing time...lol.
Right on.

His position coach is on record in August saying that Harrison is little more than an insurance policy and that his young studs were going to play unless they got tired and he didn't expect them to get tired.

My wishes in order of preference...

Harrison gets cut after one game
Patriots lose in D round
In AFCCG Bell stiff arms him on way to winning TD

[Method28]

Right on.

His position coach is on record in August saying that Harrison is little more than an insurance policy and that his young studs were going to play unless they got tired and he didn't expect them to get tired.

My wishes in order of preference...

Harrison gets cut after one game
Patriots lose in D round
In AFCCG BIG BEN stiff arms him on his way to a game winning TD run
Fixed! [emoji16] lol


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[DesertSteel]

Fixed! [emoji16] lol


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Haha... that would be a miracle!

I'd be happy with a JuJu across the middle too.

[Shoes]

I don't know, I have a hard time cheering for a guy for 13 seasons and now turning all of this hate that some posters have in his way. Did he suddenly make a 180 degree turn?

He has always been a guy that leads by example, not by words. I don't see him being a mentor as much as Joey Porter should be. Yes, his sleeping in meetings or not attending meetings is clearly trying to be a malcontent, a disruption, as any 39 year old veteran NFL player knows those are not actions which are good for the team. Kind of sad to see a guy that was such a grinder to get to the NFL, slide to be such a variety of disrespectful actions on his way out of the NFL.

No I don't think so. It must have always been there, he was just never challenged as a starter before this year and Watt upset his apple cart. And this is the result, very pathetic imo.

[Steeldude]

Because you just don’t go giving in to every players request. Lol. It would be stupid at that stage for Tomlin to release Harrison not knowing if they need him or not. If he released Harrison when James initially asked, you would be the first person up in arms about it and don’t even try to say you wouldn’t have been.

I guess if a team has better talent sitting on the bench, the right thing to do is let them sit there because they promised the lesser player more playing time...lol.

But they didn't need him. He was the 5th OLB on the depth chart.

Why would I be up in arms if Harrison asked to be released because Tomlin refused to play him? I would be bothered by Tomlin refusing to play him, not Harrison asking for his release because Tomlin wouldn't play him.

Explain Jarvis Jones? Harrison was clearly a far superior OLB, but he rode the bench. Yep, I prefer the better players on the team to get playing time. Crazy huh?


Because you just don’t go giving in to every players request.

Harrison isn't some scrub who never amounted to anything. For everything Harrison did for the Steelers Tomlin should have released him, not feed him lies about playing time.

[Steeldude]

He was supposed to be a leader and a mentor to the young Steeler players, particularly the linebackers. How is it that you won't allow yourself to see the obvious.

He wasn't brought back to dominate as a player because he can't do that anymore.

You aren't the only person that thought he should get more snaps. I felt he should have gotten some snaps too. When he didn't, it became obvious to me that he either wasn't good enough to get on the field anymore, or there was more going on. At that point, a reasonable person knows that James doesn't have it anymore and isn't capable of doing everything on the field that is demanded of a player in the scheme.

You have been the biggest JH cheerleader at this message board the last few years. I have no obsession with you. I am not the only person who feels you obsess with James Harrison. Everyone knows where you stand on the Harrison issue because you post it in every thread you participate in.

Now you worry about traitor talk? You have no problem insulting any player you don't deem worthy. Any player that isn't good enough in your eyes, you insult and demand their release. It just happens to be your hero that shit the bed and makes you look like a fool.

What's wrong Steeldude? Need a timeout to cool down?

A timeout? You seem to be getting bothered.

Yep, I want players who can't play off the team. I will always be that way. I want better players to get playing time over lesser players. I will always be that way.

Tell me, what did Harrison do wrong after the way he was treated for the last 3 years? He never said a word sitting behind the vastly inferior Jones for 2 years. Then this year they sign him saying they have a role for him; 25% of snaps; giving Dupree/Watt breathers and so on. Obviously that was a bunch of bull. Harrison wanted to play football. He signed knowing his playing time would be reduced because they wanted to go with the younger players. He didn't sign to be inactive and denied playing time. It looks like Harrison had enough of the crap and started venting.

As for mentoring, Harrison leads by example, not by words. Shouldn't Porter be doing to the mentoring?

You people love to exaggerate when you are upset. Haha. Every thread huh?

I am not worried about traitor talk. I expected the double-standards from fans. The Steelers release him it's called business. Harrison signs with another team it's called being a traitor. Just amazing. If the Steelers cut me and I felt I could still play I would try to sign with another team. I would probably try extra hard if I faced the Steelers too.

[vader29]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0x1FpED038

[Hawkman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0x1FpED038

I don’t care who you are......that’s funny......”we don’t like sauerkraut, but we eat it!”:rofl2:

[teegre]

The Steelers moved on from Santonio Holmes less than two years after his historical SuperBow XLIII performance (once his abilities no longer outweighed his antics).

So, is it really that surprising that the Steelers are moving on from James Harrison nearly a decade after his historical SuperBow XLIII performance (now that his abilities no longer outweigh his antics)...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

The Steelers moved on from Santonio Holmes less than two years after his historical SuperBow XLIII performance (once his abilities no longer outweighed his antics).

So, is it really that surprising that the Steelers are moving on from James Harrison nearly a decade after his historical SuperBow XLIII performance (now that his abilities no longer outweigh his antics)...

Nope, but its just unfortunate as a fan to see that he was apparently so disruptive in his past few months as a Steeler.

Still the Steelers could have avoided all this drama if they cut McCullers, rolled Harrison out this week to play against the Browns and let him collect 1 more game check as a Steeler. I don't see anybody wanting 40 year old pass rusher next season.

[DesertSteel]

Tell me, what did Harrison do wrong after the way he was treated for the last 3 years?
Wow! Speechless.

[pczach]

The problem with the people that are still trying to support James Harrison is that they believe he is still James Harrison from 7 or 8 years ago. That player doesn't exist anymore.

They still believe he can step on the field and impose his will, even though he's almost 40 years old. He has become a fictional character who makes social media videos on his strength training and makes badass comments on twitter. He is now a fictional creation of what he once was as a football player. Some are still buying into it and believe he is still that dominant player, or at least some form of him. The truth is that he is a shell of the player he once was. He doesn't have the athleticism or stamina to play in the system here as a starter...period.

To defend him because they think he was wronged by the coaching staff that wouldn't put him on the field is delusional, but they do believe it.

The comments of all the players tell you everything you need to know about James Harrison and how he conducted himself. It's very sad and very disappointing. It is completely unprofessional, selfish, and not the Steeler way of doing things.

He looked up to Dick LeBeau. He called him the reason for his success in football because he believed in him and helped him any way he could.

Many people looked up to James....and he let them all down.

He will always be a great Steelers player, but how he is remembered and thought of may be entirely different.

[steel striker]

Harrison should be remembered as a great Steeler and, I don't have any ill feelings towards him. He thinks he can still play I guess we will see. It's a younger mans game now days and, I hate the fact he is now with the Cheats. Man I hope the Steelers crush the cheats if they meet them in the playoffs.

[Mach1]

Labriola on Steelers-Harrison breakup


* Franchise’s all-time sack leader? Check.

* Author of the most dynamic play in Super Bowl history? Check.

* Multiple times voted first-team All-Pro? Check.

* Former NFL Defensive Player of the Year? Check.

* Leader and mentor? Not so much.

* Harrison has said he first approached the Steelers about releasing him early in the season, but according to the reported details of his contract, he already had been paid $1 million in signing and roster bonuses, and it would’ve made no sense to give a guy money up-front to be an insurance policy and then cut him less than one month into a four-month regular season.

* Harrison apparently responded to not getting his way by acting out, and still the Steelers didn’t cut him until backed into a corner when the team needed to create a roster spot to activate starting right tackle Marcus Gilbert. Looking over the 53-man roster, the Steelers came to the conclusion that outside linebacker was the only spot with an extra player – being that there were five bodies there for two positions, which meant one more than necessary to fill out a two-deep depth chart – and that Harrison was fifth among five. And at 39 years old, he also was unlikely to get claimed off waivers.

http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-on/article-4/Labriola-on-Steelers-Harrison-breakup/0a68c00a-6109-4cd5-9d46-f2fa7f6d934e

[AtlantaDan]

Tell me, what did Harrison do wrong after the way he was treated for the last 3 years?.

Who knew you were George Costanza?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB62oaOeqR0

[BostonBlackie]

Steelers vs Patriots in AFCCG. Steelers up by 5 with 28 seconds left. Steelers on the 1 yard line about to score again. Ben is intercepted by Harrison in the end zone. Inspired he runs a 9.2 100 yards and scores winning the game. After the Patriots go on to win the SB, Harrison retires as a Patriot and becomes a Patriot legend.

[vasteeler]

Steelers vs Patriots in AFCCG. Steelers up by 5 with 28 seconds left. Steelers on the 1 yard line about to score again. Ben is intercepted by Harrison in the end zone. Inspired he runs a 9.2 100 yards and scores winning the game. After the Patriots go on to win the SB, Harrison retires as a Patriot and becomes a Patriot legend.

9.2...lol

[DesertSteel]

Who knew you were George Costanza?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB62oaOeqR0
Was I wrong? Because I gotta tell ya, if anybody had told me that sleeping in position meetings and leaving the stadium during games was wrong, I wouldn't have done it.

[Steeldude]

Was I wrong? Because I gotta tell ya, if anybody had told me that sleeping in position meetings and leaving the stadium during games was wrong, I wouldn't have done it.

You didn't grasp the question.

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Wow! Speechless.

I see you couldn't answer. Standard.

[DesertSteel]

You didn't grasp the question.

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I see you couldn't answer. Standard.

The fact that you can't see anything Harrison did wrong speaks volumes that merits no response.

[Born2Steel]

Cool! Gilbert's back!

[pczach]

The fact that you can't see anything Harrison did wrong speaks volumes that merits no response.



The good news is that he has a new team he can root for. His hero will be there dominating the competition and doing whatever Belichick tells him to do.

[DesertSteel]

Cool! Gilbert's back!
Obviously, we've all been missing the point of this thread! Thank you for getting us all back on track :).

[vasteeler]

Cool! Gilbert's back!

Haha...best post of the thread

[AtlantaDan]

Full statement Harrison posted on Instagram this afternoon

“If anybody thought I signed a two year deal with a team in the NFL at age 39 to sit on the bench and collect a check and a participation trophy, they’re mistaken,” he wrote. “I didn’t sign up to sit on the bench and be a cheerleader. I was clear about that when I signed, and I was told I would be on the field when I signed. When I was asking for reps in camp, I got none. I got lip service though: we know what you can do — you don’t need the reps. But I know what my body needs in order to be in shape to compete, and I said so, but still zero reps.

“At the beginning of the season, when it was clear I didn’t have a role anymore, I asked to be released. Throughout the season, I was told week in and out that I’d be used. I wasn’t. I started getting frustrated about the whole thing. I asked to not be dressed or take unnecessary practice reps if I wasn’t going to play. That’s what happened for a [couple] weeks, then we had a game week that I got solid reps in practice and everyone assumed I would play. I got to the stadium four hours early as usual, and my locker was empty. Nobody said anything to me about being inactive, just an empty locker. I asked to be released again. I was told no.

“A couple weeks later, they dress me for the game so I assume I’m going to play, and I get zero reps. Stood on the sideline the whole game. I asked to be released again, I was told no. Then a few days later, they released me. I was never told I would be brought back, it was: If I bring [you] back, be in shape. I cleared waivers, and they didn’t call. New England called. Also, to be clear, ask Ryan [Shazier] if I came to see him in the hospital. I didn’t help Bud [Dupree] or T.J. [Watt]? Ask T.J. if I helped him.

“Maybe I didn’t handle my frustration the best that I could’ve. If you haven’t learned anything about me over the last 16 years, I’m a competitor to my core. I live and breathe competition. I do what it takes to keep my body and my mind ready to be on that field. I do it for me, I do it for my family, I do it for my team and I do it for the fans. Nothing else to it. At the end of the day, they made a business decision and so did I.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/12/29/James-Harrison-patriots-Steelers-exit-instagram-ryan-shazier-bud-dupree-tj-watt/stories/201712290147
https://www.instagram.com/p/BdSv_p4g_QV/

[BostonBlackie]

Full statement Harrison posted on Instagram this afternoon

“If anybody thought I signed a two year deal with a team in the NFL at age 39 to sit on the bench and collect a check and a participation trophy, they’re mistaken,” he wrote. “I didn’t sign up to sit on the bench and be a cheerleader. I was clear about that when I signed, and I was told I would be on the field when I signed. When I was asking for reps in camp, I got none. I got lip service though: we know what you can do — you don’t need the reps. But I know what my body needs in order to be in shape to compete, and I said so, but still zero reps.

“At the beginning of the season, when it was clear I didn’t have a role anymore, I asked to be released. Throughout the season, I was told week in and out that I’d be used. I wasn’t. I started getting frustrated about the whole thing. I asked to not be dressed or take unnecessary practice reps if I wasn’t going to play. That’s what happened for a [couple] weeks, then we had a game week that I got solid reps in practice and everyone assumed I would play. I got to the stadium four hours early as usual, and my locker was empty. Nobody said anything to me about being inactive, just an empty locker. I asked to be released again. I was told no.

“A couple weeks later, they dress me for the game so I assume I’m going to play, and I get zero reps. Stood on the sideline the whole game. I asked to be released again, I was told no. Then a few days later, they released me. I was never told I would be brought back, it was: If I bring [you] back, be in shape. I cleared waivers, and they didn’t call. New England called. Also, to be clear, ask Ryan [Shazier] if I came to see him in the hospital. I didn’t help Bud [Dupree] or T.J. [Watt]? Ask T.J. if I helped him.

“Maybe I didn’t handle my frustration the best that I could’ve. If you haven’t learned anything about me over the last 16 years, I’m a competitor to my core. I live and breathe competition. I do what it takes to keep my body and my mind ready to be on that field. I do it for me, I do it for my family, I do it for my team and I do it for the fans. Nothing else to it. At the end of the day, they made a business decision and so did I.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/12/29/James-Harrison-patriots-Steelers-exit-instagram-ryan-shazier-bud-dupree-tj-watt/stories/201712290147
https://www.instagram.com/p/BdSv_p4g_QV/



Sounds about right to me.

[AtlantaDan]

Sounds about right to me.

Well now that you have blessed the statement I guess that settles it and we can close the thread

[DesertSteel]

Full statement Harrison posted on Instagram this afternoon

“If anybody thought I signed a two year deal with a team in the NFL at age 39 to sit on the bench and collect a check and a participation trophy, they’re mistaken,” he wrote. “I didn’t sign up to sit on the bench and be a cheerleader. I was clear about that when I signed, and I was told I would be on the field when I signed. When I was asking for reps in camp, I got none. I got lip service though: we know what you can do — you don’t need the reps. But I know what my body needs in order to be in shape to compete, and I said so, but still zero reps.

“At the beginning of the season, when it was clear I didn’t have a role anymore, I asked to be released. Throughout the season, I was told week in and out that I’d be used. I wasn’t. I started getting frustrated about the whole thing. I asked to not be dressed or take unnecessary practice reps if I wasn’t going to play. That’s what happened for a [couple] weeks, then we had a game week that I got solid reps in practice and everyone assumed I would play. I got to the stadium four hours early as usual, and my locker was empty. Nobody said anything to me about being inactive, just an empty locker. I asked to be released again. I was told no.

“A couple weeks later, they dress me for the game so I assume I’m going to play, and I get zero reps. Stood on the sideline the whole game. I asked to be released again, I was told no. Then a few days later, they released me. I was never told I would be brought back, it was: If I bring [you] back, be in shape. I cleared waivers, and they didn’t call. New England called. Also, to be clear, ask Ryan [Shazier] if I came to see him in the hospital. I didn’t help Bud [Dupree] or T.J. [Watt]? Ask T.J. if I helped him.

“Maybe I didn’t handle my frustration the best that I could’ve. If you haven’t learned anything about me over the last 16 years, I’m a competitor to my core. I live and breathe competition. I do what it takes to keep my body and my mind ready to be on that field. I do it for me, I do it for my family, I do it for my team and I do it for the fans. Nothing else to it. At the end of the day, they made a business decision and so did I.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/12/29/James-Harrison-patriots-Steelers-exit-instagram-ryan-shazier-bud-dupree-tj-watt/stories/201712290147
https://www.instagram.com/p/BdSv_p4g_QV/

What makes Harrison any different than the other 52 on the roster? Are they not competitors? Do they not want to play? Do they not train to prepare? He's 39, 7-8 years past his prime. His replacement was above the line and he was below the line. Father time does not discriminate. "Maybe" he didn't handle his frustrations the best? Snoring in team meetings and walking out on your team on game day? The only thing that should've been done differently is he should've been suspended for detrimental conduct for the remainder of the season. I'm not sure how that would affect adding Gilbert back but I think it would have opened the spot.

[BostonBlackie]

Patriots won't feed hype machine after signing James Harrison



FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- There are certain weeks over the course of the NFL season when the New England Patriots (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots), taking a cue from head coach Bill Belichick, seem to put some extra effort into not contributing to any media-based storylines that deflect from their task at hand.

This is obviously one of them.

Consider what unfolded Thursday afternoon when third-year defensive end Geneo Grissom (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2514217/geneo-grissom) arrived at his locker and was approached by a small group of reporters to discuss what seems to be a genuine act of kindness: He gave up jersey No. 92 to veteran outside linebacker James Harrison (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4433/james-harrison), who joined the team Tuesday.
But Grissom, one of the most polite, kind and outgoing players on the team, declined an interview request. He said he would instead talk after Sunday’s regular-season finale against the New York Jets (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets).

When Grissom is stonewalling reporters, you know it’s an unusual week.

Combine that with Belichick’s clipped answers from Wednesday when he was asked a series of questions about Harrison, and it all became clear: This is how the Patriots roll, and while it might not work for all teams or help fill reporters’ notebooks, it mostly works for them to get their minds right and focused on the singular goal of earning a victory that week.

Call it mental conditioning.

Want to make Harrison the story? No chance.

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4809799/patriots-wont-feed-the-hype-machine-after-signing-james-harrison

[pczach]

What a pretty picture he painted with his words! That's fabulous!

If it happened just like that, the players wouldn't have all spoken out against him. They would have supported him and wished him luck.

Just another athlete making a bullshit public statement to try to make himself look better after acting like an ass with his former team.

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Patriots won't feed hype machine after signing James Harrison



FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- There are certain weeks over the course of the NFL season when the New England Patriots (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots), taking a cue from head coach Bill Belichick, seem to put some extra effort into not contributing to any media-based storylines that deflect from their task at hand.

This is obviously one of them.

Consider what unfolded Thursday afternoon when third-year defensive end Geneo Grissom (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2514217/geneo-grissom) arrived at his locker and was approached by a small group of reporters to discuss what seems to be a genuine act of kindness: He gave up jersey No. 92 to veteran outside linebacker James Harrison (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4433/james-harrison), who joined the team Tuesday.
But Grissom, one of the most polite, kind and outgoing players on the team, declined an interview request. He said he would instead talk after Sunday’s regular-season finale against the New York Jets (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets).

When Grissom is stonewalling reporters, you know it’s an unusual week.

Combine that with Belichick’s clipped answers from Wednesday when he was asked a series of questions about Harrison, and it all became clear: This is how the Patriots roll, and while it might not work for all teams or help fill reporters’ notebooks, it mostly works for them to get their minds right and focused on the singular goal of earning a victory that week.

Call it mental conditioning.

Want to make Harrison the story? No chance.

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4809799/patriots-wont-feed-the-hype-machine-after-signing-james-harrison



Nobody gives a shit what the Patriots say about Harrison. Nobody is going to believe what the Patriots say anyway.

NEWS FLASH: THE PATRIOTS SAY NOTHING ABOUT JAMES HARRISON!

Wow......what a shock.

This whole thread is about Harrison being released by the Steelers and what happened in Pittsburgh. What the Patriots say about it is irrelevant.

[86WARD]

I’d take the comments of several players over the comments of one. Still love what James did on the field, but there’s better ways to handle things than the way he did and I don’t think Tomlin or Colbert handled things the best they could either but Harrison seemed to go overboard from what has been reported.

[DesertSteel]

I’d take the comments of several players over the comments of one. Still love what James did on the field, but there’s better ways to handle things than the way he did and I don’t think Tomlin or Colbert handled things the best they could either but Harrison seemed to go overboard from what has been reported.
One missing piece in all of this is the absence of Tomlin's/Colbert's side of the story. I think they are trying to show some class and stay focused on football. If we knew their side, we may be less ready to criticize their handling.

[BostonBlackie]

What a pretty picture he painted with his words! That's fabulous!

If it happened just like that, the players wouldn't have all spoken out against him. They would have supported him and wished him luck.

Just another athlete making a bullshit public statement to try to make himself look better after acting like an ass with his former team.

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Nobody gives a shit what the Patriots say about Harrison. Nobody is going to believe what the Patriots say anyway.

NEWS FLASH: THE PATRIOTS SAY NOTHING ABOUT JAMES HARRISON!

Wow......what a shock.

This whole thread is about Harrison being released by the Steelers and what happened in Pittsburgh. What the Patriots say about it is irrelevant.

NEWS FLASH: Harrison is a Patriot now. What the Steelers say is irrelevent.

[DesertSteel]

NEWS FLASH: Harrison is a Patriot now. What the Steelers say is irrelevent.
Then please take it to your Patriots forum. No one is interested in the Patriot way (aka the Cheater way) here.

[steelreserve]

Well, I see the closed thread just moved over here and the troll followed. Don't you have a Grindr date to go on or something?

[BostonBlackie]

Then please take it to your Patriots forum. No one is interested in the Patriot way (aka the Cheater way) here.


Who died and put you in charge?

[AtlantaDan]

Who died and put you in charge?

Before you continue trolling consider that DesertSteel is held in high esteem here and you presumably are not by those who can make you go away

FWIW I think it is bye-bye time for you

[BostonBlackie]

Consider the possibility he is held in high esteem here ........................

Well there's your mistake.

[AtlantaDan]

Well there's your mistake.

Gary - I guess it is your move

[DesertSteel]

Who died and put you in charge?
You have caused the majority here to feel that way. I was one of the few who gave you the benefit of the doubt. But you have shown your true colors in these Harrison threads as if it was your place to come on a Steelers board and lecture us on how to be good fans.

I should know better than feeding the trolls.

[BostonBlackie]

Gary - your move

Furthermore you're as big a tool as he is.

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You have caused the majority here to feel that way. I was one of the few who gave you the benefit of the doubt. But you have shown your true colors in these Harrison threads as if it was your place to come on a Steelers board and lecture us on how to be good fans.

I should know better than feeding the trolls.


BS, I have just as much right to post my opinion as anyone else on here. Harrison is gone, get over it. Both teams have more important things to think about.

[AtlantaDan]

Furthermore you're as big a tool as he is.

LOL - says the Pats fan who spent his Christmas Eve trolling on a Steelers fan board

If that is what you enjoy so be it but as the President might tweet - Sad!

[Born2Steel]

To add to this discussion, Foster was back to full participation weds. Looks like we will have the full starting Oline together for this final regular season game. That is huge heading into the playoffs.

[DesertSteel]

Furthermore you're as big a tool as he is.

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BS, I have just as much right to post my opinion as anyone else on here. Harrison is gone, get over it. Both teams have more important things to think about.

Thankful for the Ignore button until you get banned.

[BostonBlackie]

LOL - says the Pats fan who spent his Christmas Eve trolling on a Steelers fan board

If that is what you enjoy so be it but as the President might tweet - Sad!


This is a football board, post about football troll.

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Thankful for the Ignore button until you get banned.

If you can't handle multiple opinions that's your problem.

[AtlantaDan]

This is a football board, post about football troll.

Bye-bye

:wave:

[AtlantaDan]

I’d take the comments of several players over the comments of one. Still love what James did on the field, but there’s better ways to handle things than the way he did and I don’t think Tomlin or Colbert handled things the best they could either but Harrison seemed to go overboard from what has been reported.

Steelers players still not feeling the love for #92

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[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Before you continue trolling consider that DesertSteel is held in high esteem here and you presumably are not by those who can make you go away

FWIW I think it is bye-bye time for you

I like the guy and all.....but high esteem?? :chuckle:

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To add to this discussion, Foster was back to full participation weds. Looks like we will have the full starting Oline together for this final regular season game. That is huge heading into the playoffs.

Really. I actually like Finney...its good to get the big ragu back, but something tells me that Finney will replace him in the next year or 2. Gotta trim some $$ on that O line to make room for some of the young guys and their contracts.

[DesertSteel]

I like the guy and all.....but high esteem?? :chuckle:
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Yeah that was a little rich lol (but appreciated).

[smokin3000gt]

I like the guy and all.....but high esteem?? :chuckle:

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[lipps83]

Steelers players still not feeling the love for #92

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That is one of the worst 'reaches' I have ever seen.

[steelreserve]

Really. I actually like Finney...its good to get the big ragu back, but something tells me that Finney will replace him in the next year or 2. Gotta trim some $$ on that O line to make room for some of the young guys and their contracts.

In all likelihood, Finney will be signing for roughly the same money as Foster when it's his turn for a real contract. Which is OK, since eventually we need to replace our older guys with younger guys and Finney is the same caliber of player. Maybe even a little better. Hard to think of a smoother 1:1 handoff at any position, if you ask me.

[BostonBlackie]

Bye-bye

:wave:


Yeah I know, if a poster doesn't support the 24/7 theme of Steelers as victims you can't deal with it. Being a supporter of the victim theme doesn't make you a good fan BTW. The Steelers coaches are grown men, the players are grown men, they aren't anyones victims. They're not the victims of refs, not the victims of a cheating team, not the victims of a fixed league, and certainly not the victims of James Harrison. Give the team some credit, and get off the victim bandwagon. The fact is I respect the Steelers more than you do.

[GBMelBlount]

To add to this discussion, Foster was back to full participation weds.

Looks like we will have the full starting Oline together for this final regular season game.

That is huge heading into the playoffs.

Agreed.

In fact, except for Shazier, our entire team should be healthy, RESTED and ready for the playoffs.

[Steeldude]

The good news is that he has a new team he can root for. His hero will be there dominating the competition and doing whatever Belichick tells him to do.

You are really brooding over this. You should be happy. The player you hated since day one is gone.

[Steeldude]

What makes Harrison any different than the other 52 on the roster? Are they not competitors? Do they not want to play? Do they not train to prepare? He's 39, 7-8 years past his prime. His replacement was above the line and he was below the line. Father time does not discriminate. "Maybe" he didn't handle his frustrations the best? Snoring in team meetings and walking out on your team on game day? The only thing that should've been done differently is he should've been suspended for detrimental conduct for the remainder of the season. I'm not sure how that would affect adding Gilbert back but I think it would have opened the spot.


What makes Harrison any different than the other 52 on the roster

Multiple Pro Bowls, 2x time First team All pro, 2x time Second team All-Pro, DPOY, sack leader, the heart of the defensive front 7 for years. Plus, until proven otherwise he was the team's best edge rush and defender. Watt and Dupree have not shown they are better at it yet. So yeah, that makes him slightly different than some on the roster.


Are they not competitors?

Hard to say. Many players today just want a paycheck. I have seen Dupree, Burns and Bryant give poor effort on the field.


Do they not train to prepare?

Again, it's hard to say. The NFL is filled will players just along for the ride. Keep in mind Harrison tried to prepare but he claims they denied him reps in practice.


He's 39, 7-8 years past his prime

He wasn't asking to start. He understood/agreed to play behind the younger players, but wanted some playing time and was apparently told he would get that playing time. He wasn't even put in for breathers. I think one can safely assume that Harrison didn't sign knowing he would be 5th off the bench. When Watt was out with an injury in the Bears' game Harrison received 3 snaps. They certainly could have used him in that game. Do you actually think Harrison would have signed if they told him he would come off the bench behind Watt, Dupree, Chickillo and Moats? There is no valid reason for Harrison to lie about being told he would receive x-amount of playing time if he signed.


Father time does not discriminate

No one thinks he is the Harrison of old. Clearly he is useful in their scheme. He showed that in the Chiefs game. Refusing to give him reps in practice make me suspect they didn't want him to be in game shape. I think they refused to release him early because they didn't want him going to the Ravens, Chiefs or another AFC playoff contender. Also, you don't personally know how much of a work load Harrison can take on.


"Maybe" he didn't handle his frustrations the best

Yep, and after 3 years of it he had enough. Was it right? It depends on how you look at it. It finally got him released.

[pczach]

Multiple Pro Bowls, 2x time First team All pro, 2x time Second team All-Pro, DPOY, sack leader, the heart of the defensive front 7 for years. Plus, until proven otherwise he was the team's best edge rush and defender. Watt and Dupree have not shown they are better at it yet. So yeah, that makes him slightly different than some on the roster.



Hard to say. Many players today just want a paycheck. I have seen Dupree, Burns and Bryant give poor effort on the field.



Again, it's hard to say. The NFL is filled will players just along for the ride. Keep in mind Harrison tried to prepare but he claims they denied him reps in practice.



He wasn't asking to start. He understood/agreed to play behind the younger players, but wanted some playing time and was apparently told he would get that playing time. He wasn't even put in for breathers. I think one can safely assume that Harrison didn't sign knowing he would be 5th off the bench. When Watt was out with an injury in the Bears' game Harrison received 3 snaps. They certainly could have used him in that game. Do you actually think Harrison would have signed if they told him he would come off the bench behind Watt, Dupree, Chickillo and Moats? There is no valid reason for Harrison to lie about being told he would receive x-amount of playing time if he signed.



No one thinks he is the Harrison of old. Clearly he is useful in their scheme. He showed that in the Chiefs game. Refusing to give him reps in practice make me suspect they didn't want him to be in game shape. I think they refused to release him early because they didn't want him going to the Ravens, Chiefs or another AFC playoff contender. Also, you don't personally know how much of a work load Harrison can take on.



Yep, and after 3 years of it he had enough. Was it right? It depends on how you look at it. It finally got him released.


The Crusader never gives up on his quest!

:rofl2:

[Steeldude]

The Crusader never gives up on his quest!

:rofl2:

The hypocritical whiner is still going. Haha.

[AtlantaDan]

Refusing to give him reps in practice make me suspect they didn't want him to be in game shape.

So the master plan was to sign Harrison and then screw him by not letting him get in to game shape so they would not have to play him after "promising" that he would play 25% of the snaps. How deceitful.


Yep, and after 3 years of it he had enough. Was it right? It depends on how you look at it. It finally got him released.

If Harrison was treated so shabbily for the past three seasons why didn't he sign elsewhere for the 2017 season? Surely teams were lining up to add a 39 year old LB who is a liability in pass coverage to the roster.

[teegre]

This is not an exact analogy, but...

The James Harrison situation reminds me of Bill Cosby: an all-time legend when performing, but the “side stuff” is simply jaw-dropping.

[tube517]

This is not an exact analogy, but...

The James Harrison situation reminds me of Bill Cosby: an all-time legend when performing, but the “side stuff” is simply jaw-dropping.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlQaE4GDUY :chuckle:

(About 4:25 in)

"Tell Bill to have a coke and a smile and shut the F up!"

-Richard Pryor to Eddie Murphy on Bill Cosby.

[BostonBlackie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlQaE4GDUY :chuckle:

(About 4:25 in)

"Tell Bill to have a coke and a smile and shut the F up!"

-Richard Pryor to Eddie Murphy on Bill Cosby.


I followed this video to some Richard Pryor stuff. Ha ha, he gets me everytime. Watch the Mafia video of his.

[Steeldude]

So the master plan was to sign Harrison and then screw him by not letting him get in to game shape so they would not have to play him after "promising" that he would play 25% of the snaps. How deceitful.



If Harrison was treated so shabbily for the past three seasons why didn't he sign elsewhere for the 2017 season? Surely teams were lining up to add a 39 year old LB who is a liability in pass coverage to the roster.

Did they play him? Did they deny reps in practice? What was the point of signing him? As many of you have said, it is literally impossible for Harrison to play in coverage. So why sign him? He wasn't an insurance policy. He was the 5th OLB of the bench.

Harrison was apparently told he would get playing time, it is where he started his career and it was still in Pittsburgh so he didn't have to move. So you think the Steelers signed Harrison and told him he would be the 5th OLB off the bench. Yep, that's sounds like something Harrison would agree to.

[AtlantaDan]

Harrison was apparently told he would get playing time, it is where he started his career and it was still in Pittsburgh so he didn't have to move. So you think the Steelers signed Harrison and told him he would be the 5th OLB off the bench. Yep, that's sounds like something Harrison would agree to.

"Didn't have to move" - where would he have gone?

In terms of getting "agreements" what sort of guarantees do you think Belichick gave him on playing time, since you appear to contend James Harrison apparently plays for nobody these days without assurances he sees the field.

[86WARD]

People are still arguing about this?

[AtlantaDan]

People are still arguing about this?

Given what else is going on this week, it was this or should the Steelers rest Ben & Bell, which apparently has been resolved :chuckle:

Spoiler alert - if the Pats play the Steelers in the AFC championship game and Harrison has not been released this forum along with every media outlet that covers the NFL will still be talking about this in the run up to the game

[Mojouw]

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2017/12/26/16820882/why-the-james-harrison-cut-makes-sense

fairly good summary of why this happened. Square peg. Round hole.

[fansince'76]

...then we had a game week that I got solid reps in practice and everyone assumed I would play. I got to the stadium four hours early as usual, and my locker was empty. Nobody said anything to me about being inactive, just an empty locker.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdNgg6mjHhc

Sorry, couldn't resist. :chuckle:

[DesertSteel]

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2017/12/26/16820882/why-the-james-harrison-cut-makes-sense

fairly good summary of why this happened. Square peg. Round hole.
Good summary of the schematics but zero mention of his shenanigans.

[86WARD]

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2017/12/26/16820882/why-the-james-harrison-cut-makes-sense

fairly good summary of why this happened. Square peg. Round hole.

Yep. He just doesn’t have the soloist to be a Steelers OLB. Doesn’t mean he won’t help NE.

[steelreserve]

This is not an exact analogy, but...

The James Harrison situation reminds me of Bill Cosby: an all-time legend when performing, but the “side stuff” is simply jaw-dropping.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z28D3BbLMHA

[DesertSteel]

Given what else is going on this week, it was this or should the Steelers rest Ben & Bell, which apparently has been resolved :chuckle:

Spoiler alert - if the Pats play the Steelers in the AFC championship game and Harrison has not been released this forum along with every media outlet that covers the NFL will still be talking about this in the run up to the game
The extra drama is gonna be delicious!

[stillers4me]

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[pczach]

The hypocritical whiner is still going. Haha.



You're doing all the whining, but try to say I'm the whiner and I'm hypocritical?....When you're the guy insulting your perceived underperforming players and calling for Bud Dupree's head while saying he's a bust when he has far more success at this point of his career than Harrison did?

Please explain. This should be good.

[Lady Steel]

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:lol:

[Steeldude]

"Didn't have to move" - where would he have gone?

In terms of getting "agreements" what sort of guarantees do you think Belichick gave him on playing time, since you appear to contend James Harrison apparently plays for nobody these days without assurances he sees the field.

I don't know. Harrison didn't say like he did with the Steelers. Plus, it is the end of the regular season. Harrison can only play in 3 games tops.

Where would have gone? There are 31 other teams in different locations. I can't believe I had to explain that.

[zulater]

I can't help but think of that song that goes... "Ain't no good guy. Ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me and we just disagree." for this whole Harrison situation. After sitting back and getting all sides of it I can understand both parties. I will say this. If it turns out that Harrison is an impact player in the playoffs ( I'm guessing he wont be) then I would have to say the Steelers coaches badly misplayed this from beginning to the end.

Anyway eventually this will blow over and Harrison will take his rightful place in the Steelers ring of honor. Truth be told the guy's on the defense now were never his peers per say. By this I mean guys like Brett Keisel, Troy Polomalu, Aaron Smith, James Farrior etc... are the guys Harrison will stand shoulder to shoulder with when I remember him. So in a sense there was no betrayal to the men of his era.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Anyway eventually this will blow over and Harrison will take his rightful place in the Steelers ring of honor.

I'm not sure I would let a guy who left once to play for the Bengals and now with the Cheatriots* in my Ring of Honor...

[Steeldude]

I'm not sure I would let a guy who left once to play for the Bengals and now with the Cheatriots* in my Ring of Honor...

The Steelers cut Harrison. As a result he went to the Bengals.

Years ago Harrison said there was no specific team he wanted to play for. He said he would prefer a warm state and a team that ran a 3-4. However, he also stated there were two players he wanted to play with and those were Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.


When asked if there was a player he'd(Harrison) like to play with, he said "not really" but mentioned the Patriots' Tom Brady and Broncos' Peyton Manning as players "anybody would want to play with ... who wouldn't."

[zulater]

I'm not sure I would let a guy who left once to play for the Bengals and now with the Cheatriots* in my Ring of Honor...

Gee I don't know. Something about being then team's all time sack leader, being the DPOY as a Steeler, and having been the guy who made one of the greatest plays in SB history says he will be to me.

[pczach]

I can't help but think of that song that goes... "Ain't no good guy. Ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me and we just disagree." for this whole Harrison situation. After sitting back and getting all sides of it I can understand both parties. I will say this. If it turns out that Harrison is an impact player in the playoffs ( I'm guessing he wont be) then I would have to say the Steelers coaches badly misplayed this from beginning to the end.

Anyway eventually this will blow over and Harrison will take his rightful place in the Steelers ring of honor. Truth be told the guy's on the defense now were never his peers per say. By this I mean guys like Brett Keisel, Troy Polomalu, Aaron Smith, James Farrior etc... are the guys Harrison will stand shoulder to shoulder with when I remember him. So in a sense there was no betrayal to the men of his era.




No offense, but you just don't treat teammates like he did. It's not like they signed him for 6 games and he went out the door. This is a guy that had a long history with the team, and was in the same locker room with teammates for multiple years.

Harrison showed a level of disrespect to other players that only the true selfish idiots of the NFL ever achieved.

I'm sorry, but there is a difference between a team deciding not to use a player that they don't think can help them on the field, and a player shitting on everyone and everything to get himself thrown out the door.

I love James Harrison as a player. He's one of my favorite players of the many generations of Steelers. But he was wrong to do what he did.

Anybody that ever spent significant time in a locker room should understand that. It just isn't done. It is considered a betrayal by everyone else in that locker room.

[Butch]

Gee I don't know. Something about being then team's all time sack leader, being the DPOY as a Steeler, and having been the guy who made one of the greatest plays in SB history says he will be to me.
I hope you are right, for as much as I hate that he is now a cheatriot, I still remember what he did as a Steeler. I hope his time with them is very short lived.

[zulater]

No offense, but you just don't treat teammates like he did. It's not like they signed him for 6 games and he went out the door. This is a guy that had a long history with the team, and was in the same locker room with teammates for multiple years.

Harrison showed a level of disrespect to other players that only the true selfish idiots of the NFL ever achieved.

I'm sorry, but there is a difference between a team deciding not to use a player that they don't think can help them on the field, and a player shitting on everyone and everything to get himself thrown out the door.

I love James Harrison as a player. He's one of my favorite players of the many generations of Steelers. But he was wrong to do what he did.

Anybody that ever spent significant time in a locker room should understand that. It just isn't done. It is considered a betrayal by everyone else in that locker room.

There's a lot of players that are loners. A lot of players look at the guys behind them as potential replacements and don't do a thing to mentor them. Hell what has Harrison done that Brett Favre didn't do on his way out of Green Bay? And he got his day in Green Bay.

Hey I would love it if everyone was a great teammate. But Harrison isn't the kind of guy that can be froze out of playing time and be content.

[pczach]

There's a lot of players that are loners. A lot of players look at the guys behind them as potential replacements and don't do a thing to mentor them. Hell what has Harrison done that Brett Favre didn't do on his way out of Green Bay? And he got his day in Green Bay.

Hey I would love it if everyone was a great teammate. But Harrison isn't the kind of guy that can be froze out of playing time and be content.



These aren't the actions of a loner. I could even understand if he didn't embrace TJ Watt or Dupree. He completely turned his anger on the entire team and coaching staff. He was willing to burn the whole thing down to feed his own ego. When a player doesn't care if it destroys the team or if they win or lose......that's a different animal.

It's one of the reasons I hate Brett Favre to this day. Everything became about him.

The way Joe Montana treated Steve Young is one of the reasons I could never fully embraced him as a player. And he only treated Young that way, not the entire team.

[Lady Steel]

Players need to go out with class like my man, Heath Miller. And that's all I have to say about that. :)

[Rotorhead]

JH with a strip sack against the Jets, but he no longer has it . . .

[Rotorhead]

Followed by another sack

[pepsyman1]

JH with a strip sack against the Jets, but he no longer has it . . .

I think that's what's frustrating for all of us. I think TJ Watt has earned everything he's gotten and the starting gig, but when you see JH make an impact against the Chiefs when it was truly needed and then not used, meanwhile we're all watching Bud Dupree simply disappear and be a non factor game after game we all wonder why not throw James in there?

Shame on James Harrison for leaving the way he did, I get it he wasn't happy and I'm a big fan of his...but he didn't leave Pittsburgh the way you'd want to see an all time great leave. Big disappointment on many fronts.

[Lady Steel]

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[teegre]

I meanwhile we're all watching Bud Dupree simply disappear and be a non factor game after game

How many TEs killed us this season?

(As in: Bud has been covering those TEs.)

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

How many TEs killed us this season?

(As in: Bud has been covering those TEs.) Then he should have been on Gronk!

[BlackAndGold]

Then he should have been on Gronk!

Gronk is the best TE ever.

Dupree played very well against the Pats.

[teegre]

Then he should have been on Gronk!

Almost agree: Bud & Davis should have BOTH been on Gronk.

[Hawkman]

Almost agree: Bud & Davis should have BOTH been on Gronk.

There is yet time!:heh:

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That’s kinda sad.

[BlackAndGold]

OMG, Harrison got 2 sacks in garbage time!!!

This defense just broke the teams record in sacks for a season without him, who gives a shit.

Nobody said he was done, just wasn't better than Dupree, or Watt.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Almost agree: Bud & Davis should have BOTH been on Gronk. Exactly!

[Mojouw]

OMG, Harrison got 2 sacks in garbage time!!!

This defense just broke the teams record in sacks for a season without him, who gives a shit.

Nobody said he was done, just wasn't better than Dupree, or Watt.

I agree and I am not picking on your post at all, but I am getting sick and tired of EVERYTHING being a binary option round here.

It is is possible that all of Watt, Dupree, and Harrison are ALL good NFL players. The evaluation is not the objective talent level of each player it is the subjective evaluation of the fit of each player's individual strength and weaknesses for the system they are asked to play in.

Watt and Dupree are the new models of what Butler's defense wants out of an OLB. Harrison is the old model.

[BlackAndGold]

I agree and I am not picking on your post at all, but I am getting sick and tired of EVERYTHING being a binary option round here.

It is is possible that all of Watt, Dupree, and Harrison are ALL good NFL players. The evaluation is not the objective talent level of each player it is the subjective evaluation of the fit of each player's individual strength and weaknesses for the system they are asked to play in.

Watt and Dupree are the new models of what Butler's defense wants out of an OLB. Harrison is the old model.

Won't disagree with anything you wrote.

[Rotorhead]

OMG, Harrison got 2 sacks in garbage time!!!

This defense just broke the teams record in sacks for a season without him, who gives a shit.

Nobody said he was done, just wasn't better than Dupree, or Watt.

Actually several ppl said he was done

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I agree and I am not picking on your post at all, but I am getting sick and tired of EVERYTHING being a binary option round here.

It is is possible that all of Watt, Dupree, and Harrison are ALL good NFL players. The evaluation is not the objective talent level of each player it is the subjective evaluation of the fit of each player's individual strength and weaknesses for the system they are asked to play in.

Watt and Dupree are the new models of what Butler's defense wants out of an OLB. Harrison is the old model. That is basically what it come down too. Hard to argue with the team beating the sack record. Butler's D get sacks up the gut and from the CB blitz. Works well against qb's like Brady.

[BlackAndGold]

Actually several ppl said he was done

He was with the Steelers, reason he was always inactive.

[Shoes]

Actually several ppl said he was done

He's done in Pittsburgh, end of story.

[43Hitman]

Actually several ppl said he was done
I'm one of em' he was done with the Steelers. I swear fans act like the coaches intentionally don't play the better players. How asinine is that line of thinking? These coaches live and die by their records, so if they intentionally don't play the better players, how long do you think they will last as coaches around here?

[pczach]

OMG, Harrison got 2 sacks in garbage time!!!

This defense just broke the teams record in sacks for a season without him, who gives a shit.

Nobody said he was done, just wasn't better than Dupree, or Watt.




All the Harrison apologists are going to come out of the woodwork and tell everyone how great he was today.

Both were "dong" sacks. Not beating his man quickly and crushing the QB in the pocket.

Since when do dong sacks count for anything. Every Harrison lover would never credit Dupree or Watt for sacks. They would always say they are more hustle sacks.

Now James has a few, but only now do dong sacks matter.

[Hawkman]

All the Harrison apologists are going to come out of the woodwork and tell everyone how great he was today.

Both were "dong" sacks. Not beating his man quickly and crushing the QB in the pocket.

Since when do dong sacks count for anything. Every Harrison lover would never credit Dupree or Watt for sacks. They would always say they are more hustle sacks.

Now James has a few, but only now do dong sacks matter.


You’re not directing that at anyone in particular are you?:heh:

[Steeldude]

All the Harrison apologists are going to come out of the woodwork and tell everyone how great he was today.

Both were "dong" sacks. Not beating his man quickly and crushing the QB in the pocket.

Since when do dong sacks count for anything. Every Harrison lover would never credit Dupree or Watt for sacks. They would always say they are more hustle sacks.

Now James has a few, but only now do dong sacks matter.

I haven't seen any highlights yet. So were they unblocked sacks? But I thought you Harrison haters saw those as skillful, hard-earned sacks? Oh that's right, if Dupree gets an unblocked sack it's an amazing physical feat.

According to the stat line it seems Harrison can still play a little. He is not 2008 Harrison at all, but it appears he can contribute when given some snaps. How did Dupree do? He must have torn it up against the lowly Browns.

Unofficially Harrison had 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 2 QB hits. That's not too bad for a guy you people said literally cannot play football at all.

[pczach]

I haven't seen any highlights yet. So were they unblocked sacks? But I thought you Harrison haters saw those as skillful, hard-earned sacks? Oh that's right, if Dupree gets an unblocked sack it's an amazing physical feat.

According to the stat line it seems Harrison can still play a little. He is not 2008 Harrison at all, but it appears he can contribute when given some snaps. How did Dupree do? He must have torn it up against the lowly Browns.

Unofficially Harrison had 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 2 QB hits. That's not too bad for a guy you people said literally cannot play football at all.



It's pretty amazing that you're commenting on things you haven't seen or don't understand. That appears to be your specialty.

What a surprise.

[43Hitman]

Literally or figuratively?

[Psycho Ward 86]

Whats the word on Harrison's performance today against the jets? How did he look

[Rotorhead]

I like how everyone here that is mad a JH assumes we all think what they think we think. I think TJ more than earned his spot. I think JH should have been given work to keep him in game shape (and give TJ some rest as it is a long season for a rookie), I think we should have released someone else instead as it is possible we lose an OLB sometime in the playoffs and if that does happen JH was the next best OLB. That is common sense. Unfortunately all you ppl who hate JH and said he was terrible and couldn’t play anymore just can’t stand the fact that you were wrong. And you are too pathetic to own up to that fact.

[AtlantaDan]

Whats the word on Harrison's performance today against the jets? How did he look

Lawrence Taylor in his prime according to some

[BostonBlackie]

http://www.patriots.com/sites/patriots.com/files/styles/borealis_800x500_respondsmall/public/media-ap/9a65f56a6d3444f9b042c1c755ab345b.jpg?itok=utBi7fLm

[Rotorhead]

Lawrence Taylor in his prime according to some

Or just better than Dupree like most are saying

[pczach]

I like how everyone here that is mad a JH assumes we all think what they think we think. I think TJ more than earned his spot. I think JH should have been given work to keep him in game shape (and give TJ some rest as it is a long season for a rookie), I think we should have released someone else instead as it is possible we lose an OLB sometime in the playoffs and if that does happen JH was the next best OLB. That is common sense. Unfortunately all you ppl who hate JH and said he was terrible and couldn’t play anymore just can’t stand the fact that you were wrong. And you are too pathetic to own up to that fact.



How were we wrong?

None of us wanted James to be off the team. None of us. That is just made up BS.

He's the one that asked to be out of here. He's the one that betrayed the team.

I thought JH should have gotten more snaps to keep him in shape and to rest Watt and Dupree to keep them fresh. I have said so many times, particularly early in the year.

I have also thought all along that the Steelers were going to unleash him in the playoffs with fresh legs. He's the one that didn't want to wait to see if that happened.

He's really not gone because he can't play at all. He's gone because he wanted to be gone.

Today doesn't prove anything. If he plays the rest of the year and then retires or nobody wants him, it will prove that the Steelers were right all along, and that he should have been doing it with this team.....just like they had planned.

Explain how anything I just said is incorrect.

[Steeldude]

It's pretty amazing that you're commenting on things you haven't seen or don't understand. That appears to be your specialty.

What a surprise.

Haha...someone is upset...again. I guess Dupree didn't do so well.

Relax.

[BlackAndGold]

I like how everyone here that is mad a JH assumes we all think what they think we think. I think TJ more than earned his spot. I think JH should have been given work to keep him in game shape (and give TJ some rest as it is a long season for a rookie), I think we should have released someone else instead as it is possible we lose an OLB sometime in the playoffs and if that does happen JH was the next best OLB. That is common sense. Unfortunately all you ppl who hate JH and said he was terrible and couldn’t play anymore just can’t stand the fact that you were wrong. And you are too pathetic to own up to that fact.

Go argue with the coaches and get shut down.

He no longer fit what the coaches wanted out of the OLB's. Accept that.

Nobody said he was done as a player, as I posted above, he was done as a Steeler.

[pczach]

Haha...someone is upset...again. I guess Dupree didn't do so well.

Relax.



You guess on a lot of things.

I'm fine as usual. You're the one making sarcastic comments to me because you're commenting on things you haven't even seen, exposing you as the BS artist that you are.

[AtlantaDan]

Or just better than Dupree like most are saying

Yep - coaches want to put their jobs on the line to screw #92

[pczach]

Go argue with the coaches and get shut down.

He no longer fit what the coaches wanted out of the OLB's. Accept that.

Nobody said he was done as a player, as I posted above, he was done as a Steeler.


I think this is exactly correct. He was never going to be a starting OLB for this team because of the change in scheme. He was going to be used as a pass rush specialist if at all.

[BlackAndGold]

I think this is exactly correct. He was never going to be a starting OLB for this team because of the change in scheme. He was going to be used as a pass rush specialist if at all.

I'm just shocked he even has supporters after the reports of how JH acted this season.

He lost his role due to better players, then became a locker room cancer. I'm glad he is gone.

[teegre]

Harrison asked for his release after the first game of the season. When he wasn’t immediately released, Harrison’s response was to throw a temper tantrum.

Whether Harrison could play or not... whether Harrison still fit the Steelers’ scheme or not... none of that is irrelevant. Harrison acted like a petulant toddler, and thus his behavior warranted his release.

I don't care if he gets 5 sacks in the divisional round. He HAD to go. Period.

[BostonBlackie]

Never a good idea to lie to your players about the role they'll be playing.

[Hawkman]

Never a good idea to lie to your players about the role they'll be playing.

Really??

[BostonBlackie]

Unless of course you want employees snoring in meetings, than by all means, lie away.

[teegre]

Never a good idea to lie to your players about the role they'll be playing.

Who can confirm that he was actually lied to? Really. All we’ve heard is James Harrison’s “interpretation” of what unfolded.

[BostonBlackie]

Who can confirm that he was actually lied to? Really. All we’ve heard is James Harrison’s “interpretation” of what unfolded.

If you want to believe he made it all up, that's your choice. Frankly I doubt it.

[teegre]

If you want to believe he made it all up, that's your choice. Frankly I doubt it.

There is a huge difference between “making it all up” and having a “different interpretation”.

[AtlantaDan]

If you want to believe he made it all up, that's your choice. Frankly I doubt it.

Any player who has been playing pro and college ball since the Clinton Administration who claims he relied on a coach’s guarantee about playing time is lying or hopelessly naive

i do not think #92 is naive

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I look at it this way, like a Divorce and neither is totally innocent but time to move on and forget about it.

[BostonBlackie]

Any player who has been playing pro and college ball since the Clinton Administration who claims he relied on a coach’s guarantee about playing time is lying or hopelessly naive

i do not think #92 is naive


This isn't high school football, these are grown men. You converse with them. You give them enough information so that both sides can make choices. If you want a player to stick around in a diminished role, you ask him to do that for you, and you keep him in the loop. If he can't except that, and he has been with you for a long time, you let him go his own way. You don't BS a pro thats been good to you just to keep him around.

[AtlantaDan]

This isn't high school football, these are grown men. You converse with them. You give them enough information so that both sides can make choices. If you want a player to stick around in a diminished role, you ask him to do that for you, and you keep him in the loop. If he can't except that, and he has been with you for a long time, you let him go his own way. You don't BS a pro thats been good to you just to keep him around.

LOL

It’s a business - as a Pats fans spare me the homily

How many vets has Belichick dumped?

[teegre]

How many vets has Belichick dumped?

Exactly. Belichick cut a player on the morning of the SuperBowl.

[Shoes]

Lets face it, this all started because James Harrison contracted butthurtitis and wasn't the team player we all thought he was. He still has Lebeau whispering voice in his ears that he is the starter and no one would challenge him. He is done in Pittsburgh, for good, end of story.

[teegre]

Lets face it, this all started because James Harrison contracted butthurtitis and wasn't the team player we all thought he was. He still has Lebeau whispering voice in his ears that he is the starter and no one would challenge him. He is done in Pittsburgh, for good, end of story.

:applaudit:

[86WARD]

5 tackles, 2 sacks and a forced fumble...not bad...

[Steeldude]

You guess on a lot of things.

I'm fine as usual. You're the one making sarcastic comments to me because you're commenting on things you haven't even seen, exposing you as the BS artist that you are.

You mean like you were doing? If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

How did Harrison betray the team? He signed based on playing. He was the last OLB on the depth chart. He asked to be released when it was clear they weren't going to play him. They refused and fed him more lies. Now he is a traitor because he signed with another team after being released 15 weeks later when he first asked.

So Dupree did do well? Haha.

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5 tackles, 2 sacks and a forced fumble...not bad...

They were apparently all Dong tackles, sacks, FFs...

[Steeldude]

I'm just shocked he even has supporters after the reports of how JH acted this season.

He lost his role due to better players, then became a locker room cancer. I'm glad he is gone.

Better players? Now Moats and Chickillo are better players? Tell me, what was his role?

So why sign Harrison to be the 5th OLB?

It appears Harrison was lied to and mistreated. He comes to his locker only to find out it's empty. They didn't even tell him he was inactive for the game. He is denied reps in practice. Why not release him when he first asked?

It seems to me Dupree was the only player saying negative things about Harrison. All I heard from a few other players was Harrison didn't want to be there.

[BlackAndGold]

Better players? Now Moats and Chickillo are better players? Tell me, what was his role?

So why sign Harrison to be the 5th OLB?

It appears Harrison was lied to and mistreated. He comes to his locker only to find out it's empty. They didn't even tell him he was inactive for the game. He is denied reps in practice. Why not release him when he first asked?

It seems to me Dupree was the only player saying negative things about Harrison. All I heard from a few other players was Harrison didn't want to be there.

Yes, they play special teams, and can play in coverage if needed. They are not better pass rushers, but if you're not starting you have to play ST.

Depth.

No he wasn't, he signed the contract. No team is going to guarantee playing time for an 39 year old player(funny people believe he was promised PT, doesn't work that way) He should have kept his mouth shut and just be ready when called upon. Why wasn't he released? same reason why Bryant wasn't cut/traded when he asked to be, they hoped he would grow up and be quiet.

Jeremy Fowler reported that a source told him that JH was sleeping during meetings. Wasn't just Dupree, it's clear he wasn't a good teammates and was being a cancer.

[cubanstogie]

Never a good idea to lie to your players about the role they'll be playing.
It’s a dynamic situation, JH is 39 and has been around the block. But I do give him credit for holding it together for so long. No hard feelings don’t let the door hit you on way out. I won’t feel bad for him when his ex teammates are celebrating on his field in 3 weeks.

[pczach]

You mean like you were doing? If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

How did Harrison betray the team? He signed based on playing. He was the last OLB on the depth chart. He asked to be released when it was clear they weren't going to play him. They refused and fed him more lies. Now he is a traitor because he signed with another team after being released 15 weeks later when he first asked.





He signed a contract. The contract is for the team to use that player as they see fit for the money they agreed upon.

This isn't hard. Try to keep up.

If it didn't state in his contract that the team was required to play him a certain percentage of snaps, they are not required to play him. You have no argument and once again you're making shit up.

End of story.

He then basically tried to sabotage the team until he was released.

You can keep trying to sell your fairy tale, but nobody is buying it.

[BostonBlackie]

LOL

It’s a business - as a Pats fans spare me the homily

How many vets has Belichick dumped?


You don't seem to be catching on here. If you aren't going to use a player, you dump him. What you don't do is string him along for months when all the player wants to do is play.

The problem isn't that the Steelers dumped Harrison. The problem is they kept him by stringing him along.

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Tomlin trying to communicate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnO9Jyz82Ps

[AtlantaDan]

If you aren't going to use a player, you dump him. What you don't do is string him along for months when all the player wants to do is play.

Got it - Walk me through what Belichick was doing with Garopplolo other than insurance for Brady getting hurt from early in the 2016 season until he got a second round pick from the 49ers in 2017

[cubanstogie]

You don't seem to be catching on here. If you aren't going to use a player, you dump him. What you don't do is string him along for months when all the player wants to do is play.

The problem isn't that the Steelers dumped Harrison. The problem is they kept him by stringing him along.

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Tomlin trying to communicate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnO9Jyz82Ps
stringed along, this isn't a high school relationship. He was getting paid a lot of money to do his job. 22 guys start, thats it.Do you think Hue Jackson signed up for what he got. JH was at the bottom of totem poll. The guys on top are paid to make the decisions. Thats the way the real world works. I have no doubts that shit was becoming a problem or distraction or they would have kept him, especially after Shazier getting hurt and lack of depth. I would have preferred to have him go out a Steeler but have confidence he was let go for reasons we are not aware of. Tomlin has a track record of success with young guys with attitudes or behavior issues, I think he knew JH was a lost cause and cut the cord.

[DesertSteel]

Got it - Walk me through what Belichick was doing with Garopplolo other than insurance for Brady getting hurt from early in the 2016 season until he got a second round pick from the 49ers in 2017
Lol. We'll never learn around here. Patriots fans play chess while Steelers fans play checkers.

[43Hitman]

You don't seem to be catching on here. If you aren't going to use a player, you dump him. What you don't do is string him along for months when all the player wants to do is play.

The problem isn't that the Steelers dumped Harrison. The problem is they kept him by stringing him along.

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Tomlin trying to communicate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnO9Jyz82Ps

You know, I was one of the few that stuck up for you and actually appreciated what you had to post. Now though I really get the feeling that your real motive was to just be cool enough so we wouldn't kick your ass to the curb while you took shots at the Steelers organization. So to echo what many here have said, your true colors are starting to shine through and I now know that you sir are full of shit. Maybe instead of preaching to us how we handle our family business you should go play in traffic or something. Seriously, get fucking lost.

[st33lersguy]

How the hell boston sports troll is still allowed to post is beyond me.

[BostonBlackie]

You know, I was one of the few that stuck up for you and actually appreciated what you had to post. Now though I really get the feeling that your real motive was to just be cool enough so we wouldn't kick your ass to the curb while you took shots at the Steelers organization. So to echo what many here have said, your true colors are starting to shine through and I now know that you sir are full of shit. Maybe instead of preaching to us how we handle our family business you should go play in traffic or something. Seriously, get fucking lost.

Family business? If you drive an F250 does that mean you can't comment on a Ram 2500? They're NATIONAL football teams. No one is perfect. Belichick has shortcomings, Tomlin has shortcomings. Ford has shortcomings, Dodge has shortcomings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

[BostonBlackie]

Got it - Walk me through what Belichick was doing with Garopplolo other than insurance for Brady getting hurt from early in the 2016 season until he got a second round pick from the 49ers in 2017

You really think Belichick was leading Garoppolo on? You think Belichick told Garoppolo you're going to play 25% of the snaps just to keep him around like Tomlin told Harrison? C'mon man. Furthermore, Garoppolo is about to make a fortune. Yeah, Belichick really screwed him over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMpkrNqMps

[Steeldude]

He signed a contract. The contract is for the team to use that player as they see fit for the money they agreed upon.

This isn't hard. Try to keep up.

If it didn't state in his contract that the team was required to play him a certain percentage of snaps, they are not required to play him. You have no argument and once again you're making shit up.

End of story.

He then basically tried to sabotage the team until he was released.

You can keep trying to sell your fairy tale, but nobody is buying it.

How is this going over your head? You tender a contract to a long time veteran on your team with the claim you play him around 25% of the snaps and/or breathers. He signs and is relegated to 5th on the forth chart. He is also denied reps in practice. Real classy. After all Harrison has done for the team he gets treated like some journeyman who never played in a game. I get it, you think that is great, but some people don't agree with you.

Sabotage? Wow, you live in fantasyland.

Nobody said it as required. It's called respect. I know that is a concept that is void in your world

[BostonBlackie]

How the hell boston sports troll is still allowed to post is beyond me.

Since when is having an opinion trolling? Am I suposed to suck up in here?

3. No Hazing of New Members. This rule will be strictly enforced. Everyone is welcome to join our forum and to share their thoughts no matter where they hail from or what their post count is.

[Patriot71]

Got it - Walk me through what Belichick was doing with Garopplolo other than insurance for Brady getting hurt from early in the 2016 season until he got a second round pick from the 49ers in 2017


That was a completely different situation. New England wanted him. The fans still love and appreciate him.

[Patriot71]

One man's trash is another's treasure. I see Harrison playing a big roll in the Patriots SB run. As fate will have it I predict a number of big plays against the Steelers in Foxboro (Do any of you honestly think he won't get to Ben at least twice). I think the Steelers should have shut it down right away with "no comment", "best of luck", "we are moving on" etc. It has become a distraction for certain.

[BostonBlackie]

One man's trash is another's treasure. I see Harrison playing a big roll in the Patriots SB run. As fate will have it I predict a number of big plays against the Steelers in Foxboro (Do any of you honestly think he won't get to Ben at least twice). I think the Steelers should have shut it down right away with "no comment", "best of luck", "we are moving on" etc. It has become a distraction for certain.

Think so? I don't.