It is time for Steelers fans to give Mike Tomlin some credit

[polamalubeast]

If you have followed the Pittsburgh Steelers throughout Mike Tomlin’s tenure, you’ve seen plenty, not all, of fans be upset with the head coach for one reason or another.

Sure, the man has some issues when it comes to coaching the team:

He has a tendency to lose to teams with a sub-par record
He can be brash and confident, which some people despise
His time management in-game is sketchy at best
...just to name a few.

But despite all of that, Mike Tomlin is the perfect coach for the Steelers, and there are plenty of reasons why. Not many coaches could get the team through the Le’Veon Bell holdout, the Antonio Brown Gatorade toss, the Ben Roethlisberger “do I still have it?” debate and the Martavis Bryant social media gaffes...and still have the team 6-2 at the midway point of the season.

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https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/btsc-on-demand/2017/11/11/16637100/it-is-time-for-steelers-fans-to-give-mike-tomlin-some-credit-nfl-podcast

[pczach]

But Colin Cowherd says.............:jerkit:


People want to bash him and they are going to take shots at him going forward, but you have to give it to Tomlin. He has this team improving and looking to be fighting for the #1 seed in the AFC. He has always been able to will his team to play well when trouble hits. He has a strong voice in the locker room and players still respond to him.

If he can lead this team to a championship this year, everyone should just shut up about him and enjoy the ride.

[polamalubeast]

But Colin Cowherd says.............:jerkit:


People want to bash him and they are going to take shots at him going forward, but you have to give it to Tomlin. He has this team improving and looking to be fighting for the #1 seed in the AFC. He has always been able to will his team to play well when trouble hits. He has a strong voice in the locker room and players still respond to him.

If he can lead this team to a championship this year, everyone should just shut up about him and enjoy the ride.

The greatest strength of Tomlin is that the Steelers have always been great in adversity under him and he is great to deal with the drama that the steelers often have.

[st33lersguy]

Yes, his team is looking like contenders again so far

[polamalubeast]

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[Moose]

If only he could get that damn Bellicheat monkey off of his shoulder !

[zulater]

They better pick it up today or this thread could backfire in a big way later!

[tube517]

Fire Turmlin

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[fansince'76]

Fire Turmlin

Might be time for smokin3000gt to bring that avatar back. Nah, I'd rather see the "Cool Shades Hippo." :lol:

[ALLD]

Gotta give Tomlin credit to figure out how to win a football game by only playing 1 quarter.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Might be time for smokin3000gt to bring that avatar back. Nah, I'd rather see the "Cool Shades Hippo." :lol:

:hippo::poker: :cool:

[Neversatisfied]

Great job on today's win Coach....... Not! *Borat Voice*

[zulater]

This thread would have blown the eff up if we hadn't pulled it out! :lol:

[smokin3000gt]

Might be time for smokin3000gt to bring that avatar back. Nah, I'd rather see the "Cool Shades Hippo." :lol:

lol.. I forgot I made that until you just mentioned it.. I dug it up in case anyone wants to run with it :chuckle:

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x313/smokin3000gt/FIRETURMLIN_zpsbc1574d8.jpg


This thread would have blown the eff up if we hadn't pulled it out! :lol:

buddy I had my popcorn ready..

[Tank McGee]

Haters gonna hate. The Steelers could win the SB and some will continue to malign Tomlin. I wonder why.

[pczach]

lol.. I forgot I made that until you just mentioned it.. I dug it up in case anyone wants to run with it :chuckle:

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x313/smokin3000gt/FIRETURMLIN_zpsbc1574d8.jpg



buddy I had my popcorn ready..



I laugh every single time I see your avatar.

I posted that Gif. and you asked if you could use it. That is so awesome, it deserves to be on here somewhere until the end of time!:drink:

[fansince'76]

lol.. I forgot I made that until you just mentioned it.. I dug it up in case anyone wants to run with it :chuckle:

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x313/smokin3000gt/FIRETURMLIN_zpsbc1574d8.jpg

Where's the hippo?!? :lol:

[ALLD]

I think Haley is more of the problem here. All these weapon on offense and he is yelling at the QB like some out of control idiot. You ever see Chuck Noll behave like that?

[teegre]

The announcers were reporting that Tomlin have one helluva halftime speech.

[Mojouw]

This feels like time to share this Haley image...again....

https://theelephantgun.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/haley-iroc.jpg

And this one...

https://pics.onsizzle.com/well-fuck-p-steelers-oc-todd-haley-press-conference-live-2038080.png

[Steelermania]

I think Haley is more of the problem here. All these weapon on offense and he is yelling at the QB like some out of control idiot. You ever see Chuck Noll behave like that? According to Bradshaw, Noll was always jerking him around by his jersey.

[tube517]

According to Bradshaw, Noll was always jerking him around by his jersey.

Noll also let Bradshaw put his hands down his (Noll's) pants when it was cold as shit :chuckle:

[tube517]

Shouldn't these posts go here? :lol:


http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/18232-Fire-Haley!?highlight=fire+haley

[hawaiiansteeler]

why would anyone in their right mind give Tomlin any credit?

we're only 7-2, Bill Cowher would have had us at 9-0 rn :stirthepot:

[Steeldude]

Haters gonna hate. The Steelers could win the SB and some will continue to malign Tomlin. I wonder why.

And the Steelers could go 0-16 and the lovers would continue to make excuses for Tomlin. Goes both ways haha

[Craic]

Might be time for smokin3000gt to bring that avatar back. Nah, I'd rather see the "Cool Shades Hippo." :lol:

How about this? Complete with shades!


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6fITZhZ03FoheYQo/giphy.gif

[polamalubeast]

And the Steelers could go 0-16 and the lovers would continue to make excuses for Tomlin. Goes both ways haha

Not true and the steelers have never been bad like browns right now.

Also, when they started the season 0-4 in 2013, Tomlin was severely criticized here and between 2014 to 2016, we have had a fire Tomlin thread that has already 43 pages !!!!

But this year we have not seen this thread even after the defeat against the Bears and the Jaguars(We must admit that the defeat against the jaguars were only on Ben.)

[tube517]

How about this? Complete with shades!


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6fITZhZ03FoheYQo/giphy.gif

This should be pinned in the Fire Tomlin thread. :heh:

[Butch]

This article is nothing but click bait. Nobody here is changing their stance based on anything that has happened so far this year. How many more times is this going to be argued before people get tired of it? Lazy journalism

[Moose]

I think Haley is more of the problem here. All these weapon on offense and he is yelling at the QB like some out of control idiot.

Agree ! Haley has no idea what to call and when. It's like he's not watching the game.

[polamalubeast]

Agree ! Haley has no idea what to call and when. It's like he's not watching the game.

I agree

A run play to start our no-huddle with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter was not acceptable...It was a 7-yard loss and it almost killed our drive and cost the win.

Not to mention the end around to Bryant in the second quarter who killed our drive

[SteelerFanInStl]

I agree

A run play to start our no-huddle with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter was not acceptable...It was a 7-yard loss and it almost killed our drive and cost the win.

Not to mention the end around to Bryant in the second quarter who killed our drive

That's called having zero faith in our offense. They also farted around and wasted 30 seconds out of the 2 minutes left on that first play. It was a minor miracle that we ended up scoring on that drive.

[polamalubeast]

That's called having zero faith in our offense. They also farted around and wasted 30 seconds out of the 2 minutes left on that first play. It was a minor miracle that we ended up scoring on that drive.

I think Haley wanted to trick the opponent, which is so frustrating!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

why would anyone in their right mind give Tomlin any credit?

we're only 7-2, Bill Cowher would have had us at 9-0 rn :stirthepot:

True, Tomlin can only win with Cowher's players. (Ben, Peezy, Deebo,)

[steel striker]

Yeah lost my mind with some of the play calling like the run call on 2nd & 17??

[EzraTank]

Watching the Pats roll the Denver defense on the road last night.

Until we beat them this team will always be a bride's maid.

[Edman]

Watching the Pats roll the Denver defense on the road last night.

Until we beat them this team will always be a bride's maid.

Yep. The Patriots still look like Patriots, and I've seen nothing from this Steelers team that says that the December 17th matchup will be anything but another Brady masterpiece and another New England destruction.

[teegre]

Yep. The Patriots still look like Patriots, and I've seen nothing from this Steelers team that says that the December 17th matchup will be anything but another Brady masterpiece and another New England destruction.

(This is not directed at you, Edman. But, your post reminds me of something that I've been meaning to say.)


What is interesting is that Steelers fans focus only on Steelers games. I get it. Who has time to follow another team as closely as your own? (No one.) But, if we look closely at the Taperiots this year, I honestly do not see a team as dominant as in years past.

We focus only on "Da Stillers lost to the hapless Bears!!!"... when the Taperiots were gifted their win against the Buccaneers (Nick Folk missing three FGs stole defeat from the jaws of victory).

We focus on "The Steelers barely beat the pitiful Colts and abysmal Browns!!!"... when the Taperiots had a legitimate chance of losing to both the Jets and Chargers (if not for a questionable non-touchdown and the brainfarting of the San Diego coaching staff).

We we focus on "The Ravens usually have our number, but we're lucky that they are having a down year"... when the Broncos defense has been the Achilles heel for the Taperiots (and, btw, the Broncos have lost five straight... so, it's not just the Taperiots who are beating them).

Et cetera... yadda-yadda-yadda... and so on.

[polamalubeast]

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[polamalubeast]

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[GBMelBlount]

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Very cool stat...timing is everything.

I think Tomlin has received his due props, for the most part.

[polamalubeast]

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[polamalubeast]

His comments are funny!!!!

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[Hawkman]

In Noll's time, half the stuff the players are getting suspended for, wasn't even banned.

[86WARD]

His tweets don’t explain Tomlin’s Doghouse...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

His tweets don’t explain Tomlin’s Doghouse...

His tweets are pretty narrow minded and show bias against Tomlin for whatever reason.

Comparing the 70's NFL and Noll to the current NFL is laughable. Were Unions different? Was salary structure different? Did the team/coach have more authority to cut guys and possibly have them blackballed for not jumping when the team said to?....I think so.

The notion that NFL coaches can discipline players and motivate by fear like in the 70's is silly. Modern sport psychology tells us it isn't the most effective anyways.

[Mojouw]

Well and dude is just straight up wrong and likely is too young to properly remember and too lazy to use the internet.

During the Noll era, almost nothing was banned so there is no point in comparing. Plus there is more than enough smoke out there to indicate that the top NFL teams of that era were walking talking pharmacies.

During the Cowher era (list is shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia) should be noted that the 1991 suspensions are not on Cowher but that is how they pasted in:


October 31, 1991
6 games
Tim Worley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Worley)
RB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
[185] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_Leagu e#cite_note-190)


November 15, 1991
4 games
Terry Long (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Long_(American_football))
OG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_guard)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
[186] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_Leagu e#cite_note-191)



April 30, 1992
Entire 1992 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NFL_season) season
Tim Worley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Worley)
RB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
[187] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_Leagu e#cite_note-192)


November 9, 1992
6 games
Eric Green (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Green_(tight_end))
TE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tight_end)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)




October 23, 1995
4 games
Joel Steed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Steed)
NT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nose_tackle)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)




December 4, 1995
Entire 1996 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NFL_season) season
Carlton Haselrig (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Haselrig)
RB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back)
New York Jets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets)I doubt he started doing drugs only when he left Steelers





September 1, 1998
4 games
Paul Wiggins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wiggins)
OT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_tackle)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
[205] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_Leagu e#cite_note-210)

[BlackAndGold]

That is the reason why I don't have twitter, or better yet any social media accounts for that matter. Way to many stupid people on there.

[tube517]

Well and dude is just straight up wrong and likely is too young to properly remember and too lazy to use the internet.

During the Noll era, almost nothing was banned so there is no point in comparing. Plus there is more than enough smoke out there to indicate that the top NFL teams of that era were walking talking pharmacies.

During the Cowher era (list is shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia) should be noted that the 1991 suspensions are not on Cowher but that is how they pasted in:


October 31, 1991
6 games
Tim Worley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Worley)
RB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
[185] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_Leagu e#cite_note-190)


November 15, 1991
4 games
Terry Long (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Long_(American_football))
OG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_guard)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
[186] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_Leagu e#cite_note-191)



April 30, 1992
Entire 1992 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NFL_season) season
Tim Worley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Worley)
RB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
[187] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_Leagu e#cite_note-192)


November 9, 1992
6 games
Eric Green (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Green_(tight_end))
TE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tight_end)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)




October 23, 1995
4 games
Joel Steed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Steed)
NT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nose_tackle)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)




December 4, 1995
Entire 1996 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NFL_season) season
Carlton Haselrig (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Haselrig)
RB (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back)
New York Jets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets)I doubt he started doing drugs only when he left Steelers





September 1, 1998
4 games
Paul Wiggins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wiggins)
OT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_tackle)
Pittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers)
[205] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_National_Football_Leagu e#cite_note-210)



Marvel Smith was arrested for marijuana but I cannot recall if he was ever suspended.

[86WARD]

All that list that n Cowher and no Bam Morris??

I miss Barry Foster and Bam Morris...

[Craic]

All that list that n Cowher and no Bam Morris??

Yeah, no doubt. Comes into camp overweight and out of shape, then in the following offseason, gets busted for five pounds of pot and also cocaine in the car. Some might argue our releasing him instantly after he pled guilty was a sign of discipline, but don't forget this was just a year into the salary cap era when things were still being figured out.

[Edman]

Mike Tomlin shouldn't get much credit unfortunately. The Marcus Gilbert suspension says that, not to mention the Patriots bugaboo hanging over him.

Lets be real. New England is absolutely haunting this entire team, call it obsessed fans or whatever, but the Patriots are hanging something real bad on this team and it won't end until they beat them. Or at least stop looking completely outclassed and out of touch against them. December 17th is a very huge game, perhaps more massive than we imagine beyond mere playoff seeding.

[Mojouw]

Yeah, no doubt. Comes into camp overweight and out of shape, then in the following offseason, gets busted for five pounds of pot and also cocaine in the car. Some might argue our releasing him instantly after he pled guilty was a sign of discipline, but don't forget this was just a year into the salary cap era when things were still being figured out.
Thanks to both you and 86WARD for pointing that out!

I'm sure there are other omissions. Point is this isn't some new thing particular to Tomlin.

[ALLD]

Mike Tomlin is a good HC. He needs to relax with all of the magnanimity and flowery language where he is trying to wedge his place into NFL history. Win more Super Bowls and your place will be everlasting.

Chuck Noll will probably be the greatest Steeler coach in NFL history. Todd Haley will be forgotten. Tomlin can still write his story if he puts more discipline on the team. Cowher had a great run and deserves all the credit he receives.

[86WARD]

I used to think this team was undisciplined. They seemed to have gotten that under control but the more you watch the NFL, is it really the team(s) being “undisciplined” or is it just the way today’s players are? I’m starting to believe that it’s more of the latter...any other thoughts?

[Mojouw]

I used to think this team was undisciplined. They seemed to have gotten that under control but the more you watch the NFL, is it really the team(s) being “undisciplined” or is it just the way today’s players are? I’m starting to believe that it’s more of the latter...any other thoughts?

The lack of practice time and the reliance on cheap rookie contract players in the CBA and salary cap era creates younger teams with fewer "non-star" veteran players. In previous eras these were some of the core reasons for fundamentally sound mentally strong teams. Now those guys get pushed off the roster by younger and cheaper players. There are still vets, but they are largely the "star" players that may or may not be involved in policing the behavior and disciplined practice habits of individual position groups.

Really bad analogy, but each position group is a platoon. Due to the current roster trends in the league towards a 53 man group of high paid guys and then low paid guys -- they have pushed all the long time sergeants out of the platoon. Much of the institutional memory and leadership has gone along with it. So you have position groups that are like a platoon of privates and higher ranking officers (my analogy starts falling apart quickly since I am not from a military background).

Far smarter people than me have discussed how many players come from elite HS programs, then elite college programs, and then the NFL. Due to the pressures and increasing complexity of football played at "elite" programs, much of practice time - even at the HS level - is spent on specific weekly game plan installation. Leaving little time for players to be drilled and coached on core fundamentals. Again, I don't know as I don't coach or have contacts directly in that world - only repeating what I have heard. What I see a lot of people writing and talking about is that some of these players arrive in the NFL with an almost total reliance on pure athletic ability and instincts rather than a well-disciplined and honed understanding of fundamentals. Some guys, then learn those in the league (AB) while others try and get through on raw jaw-dropping physical tools (Martavis Bryant).

One other random thought, but how well are we all remembering other eras of the NFL? I remember a game against the Bills during the Cowher era where Lake, Woodson, Perry, and company literally knocked multiple Bills receivers unconscious. I also seem to remember that a few of those hits were flagged. No one cared because significant parts of the Bills offensive machine were now drooling into cups on the sidelines rather than running free in the secondary. Depending on your viewpoint that was "undisciplined". I think we remember the good things and not the 5 holding penalties in row drives and the head scratching choices of individual players from years gone by.

[polamalubeast]

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Maybe it's true, but the steelers have to beat them, especially in the playoffs,home or on the road!

[Craic]

Mike Tomlin shouldn't get much credit unfortunately. The Marcus Gilbert suspension says that, not to mention the Patriots bugaboo hanging over him.

Lets be real. New England is absolutely haunting this entire team, call it obsessed fans or whatever, but the Patriots are hanging something real bad on this team and it won't end until they beat them. Or at least stop looking completely outclassed and out of touch against them. December 17th is a very huge game, perhaps more massive than we imagine beyond mere playoff seeding.

Mike Tomlin should be judged for games vs. the Patriots at the same rate that Cowher was judged for games vs. the Patriots. For those of you who need a reminder, Cowher lost to the Pats* in the AFCCG in 2001 and 2004. They also lost in the first week of 2002 and the third week of 2005. Cowher's only win came in the reg. season in 2004. That is a 20 percent winning record. Tomlin's teams were 2-2 in their first four meetings. Then, we had the massive rebuild in 2012-2014 where we played them once and lost. Now, we've lost to them in the last three meetings. That's 2-6 for a 33 percent winning record.

[Hawkman]

Mike Tomlin should be judged for games vs. the Patriots at the same rate that Cowher was judged for games vs. the Patriots. For those of you who need a reminder, Cowher lost to the Pats* in the AFCCG in 2001 and 2004. They also lost in the first week of 2002 and the third week of 2005. Cowher's only win came in the reg. season in 2004. That is a 20 percent winning record. Tomlin's teams were 2-2 in their first four meetings. Then, we had the massive rebuild in 2012-2014 where we played them once and lost. Now, we've lost to them in the last three meetings. That's 2-6 for a 33 percent winning record.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

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Maybe it's true, but the steelers have to beat them, especially in the playoffs,home or on the road!

It definitely is true.

Fans on this board are already looking a few weeks ahead to the Patriots game and obsessing about it. All that really matters is winning the next game, winning the Division and getting into the playoffs. If they can be healthy its a bonus, and if they can get as many home playoff games as possible that too is a plus.

Mike Tomlin can only worry about the guys he coaches and I bet that is all that he does worry about. He cant control what the opposition does, but he can control how prepared his team is for what the opposition can do. The guy is one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL right now, I am glad he is the Steelers coach and we will see what gameplans they can come up with when they make the playoffs.

[polamalubeast]

The problem with the pats is that the steelers have not been competitive in his games.I mean, in the last 4 games against them, the steelers were behind by at least 14 points in each game and they never had the lead once!

It's ridiculous and that's why the pats are in our heads and Tomlin and the players have to change that this year.The Steelers are too talented to not be competitive against them.

[fansince'76]

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And the Understatement of the Century Award goes to...

[teegre]

Fans on this board are already looking a few weeks ahead to the Patriots game

I heard Willie McGinnest talking about this.

The rest of his NFL Network cohorts were talking about “Can the Steelers beat the Taperiots (in the playoffs) if the game isn’t in Pittsburgh.” Willie glared at them, and they answered for him: “We know, we know... the Steelers are only focused on the Packers right now.”

Willie expanded upon that, and said that he is confident that the Steelers are not looking ahead to the Bengals game, let alone a game four weeks away... and definitely not a “hypothetical” game nine weeks away.

But, us fans... we can. :wink02:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I heard Willie McGinnest talking about this.

The rest of his NFL Network cohorts were talking about “Can the Steelers beat the Taperiots (in the playoffs) if the game isn’t in Pittsburgh.” Willie glared at them, and they answered for him: “We know, we know... the Steelers are only focused on the Packers right now.”

Willie expanded upon that, and said that he is confident that the Steelers are not looking ahead to the Bengals game, let alone a game four weeks away... and definitely not a “hypothetical” game nine weeks away.

But, us fans... we can. :wink02:

Yeah, I saw that segment on NFLN, the other 3 guys were all looking at the hypothetical and Willie wasn't having it, because its not what players do. I like him the more I see of him as an analyst on TV.

The great basketball coach John Wooden used to coach his team to be concerned about themselves and not the opponent. Some players joked they would have to get a program on gameday just to know who it was that they were playing. "Let them worry about us", he told them. I think that is what the majority of Steeler fans do.

[zulater]

In fairness to Tomlin I don't think you can hold last year's Championship game against him too much. Losing LeVeon Bell on essentially the first or second play from scrimmage negated the offensive game plan. That's not an excuse, that's a reason. After all they rode Bell down the stretch to that point. To dismiss the significance of that loss and the impact it had on the game is nonsense. Yeah I know Bell doesn't play defense. But much of the Steelers path to success was predicated on keeping Brady on the sidelines while Bell and the Steelers offense controlled the clock. Also with the Steelers offense largely inept it made the defenses job that much harder. And speaking of defense, the Steelers best defensive lineman, Cam Heyward missed that game. This guy is crazy good, you can call me an excuse maker all you want. But when you lose a difference maker like that it matters. I think Tuitt was out that game as well? So yeah those were 3 important cogs to be missing. Now of course I realize they were missing Gronk. But as great as Gronk is, we were missing 3 top tier players. They were missing one. Not an even trade off at all.


That's not to say Tomlin doesn't have any warts. But all in all he's proven time and again that he's one of the league's better head coaches. I give him full credit for maintaining the franchise course.

[Born2Steel]

In fairness to Tomlin I don't think you can hold last year's Championship game against him too much. Losing LeVeon Bell on essentially the first or second play from scrimmage negated the offensive game plan. That's not an excuse, that's a reason. After all they rode Bell down the stretch to that point. To dismiss the significance of that loss and the impact it had on the game is nonsense. Yeah I know Bell doesn't play defense. But much of the Steelers path to success was predicated on keeping Brady on the sidelines while Bell and the Steelers offense controlled the clock. Also with the Steelers offense largely inept it made the defenses job that much harder. And speaking of defense, the Steelers best defensive lineman, Cam Heyward missed that game. This guy is crazy good, you can call me an excuse maker all you want. But when you lose a difference maker like that it matters. I think Tuitt was out that game as well? So yeah those were 3 important cogs to be missing. Now of course I realize they were missing Gronk. But as great as Gronk is, we were missing 3 top tier players. They were missing one. Not an even trade off at all.


That's not to say Tomlin doesn't have any warts. But all in all he's proven time and again that he's one of the league's better head coaches. I give him full credit for maintaining the franchise course.

Exactly what I've been saying since that game. Once Bell went down, it was triple cover AB and game over. Rogers, and Hamilton dropped nearly every ball thrown to them. Our terrible secondary probably would have lost the game anyway, but when Bell went out, I knew it was over. That was all the advantage they needed.

[DesertSteel]

Yeah, I saw that segment on NFLN, the other 3 guys were all looking at the hypothetical and Willie wasn't having it, because its not what players do. I like him the more I see of him as an analyst on TV.

The great basketball coach John Wooden used to coach his team to be concerned about themselves and not the opponent. Some players joked they would have to get a program on gameday just to know who it was that they were playing. "Let them worry about us", he told them. I think that is what the majority of Steeler fans do.
You know, WG has improved. Seems to be taking his job seriously. At first he appeared to be another one of their knucklehead ex-players like Ike, Reggie Wayne, Deion and others. But WG seems to prepare and articulate better and better.

[Edman]

The great basketball coach John Wooden used to coach his team to be concerned about themselves and not the opponent. Some players joked they would have to get a program on gameday just to know who it was that they were playing. "Let them worry about us", he told them. I think that is what the majority of Steeler fans do.

When your the best and more successful team in the league, you can afford that arrogance. When you're second fiddle trying to get to the top, you haven't earned that right to be arrogant.



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And the Understatement of the Century Award goes to...

When said team has pretty much kicked your ass for the better part of a decade, their QB has not thrown an interception against your team since Bush II was in office, and said team is once more standing in the way of what you want, yeah, it gets a little inside your head, and you have to be a complete fool to believe that the Patriots aren't lurking inside the heads of Ben, Bell, AB and all of the players in that locker room. Yeah, those moves to get Joe Haden, cutting the dead weight and revamping the Defense certainly had nothing to do with beating the Patriots. Nope. Oh look, the Steelers are 8-2 and on top of the AFC, instead of being locked in a race for the wildcard.

The 49ers got sick of losing to the Cowboys in the 90's and made moves to beat them. The Ravens made moves to beat the Steelers. Well, this time the shoe is on the other foot. We're collectively sick and tired of losing to New England.

[43Hitman]

When your the best and more successful team in the league, you can afford that arrogance. When you're second fiddle trying to get to the top, you haven't earned that right to be arrogant.




When said team has pretty much kicked your ass for the better part of a decade, their QB has not thrown an interception against your team since Bush II was in office, and said team is once more standing in the way of what you want, yeah, it gets a little inside your head, and you have to be a complete fool to believe that the Patriots aren't lurking inside the heads of Ben, Bell, AB and all of the players in that locker room. Yeah, those moves to get Joe Haden, cutting the dead weight and revamping the Defense certainly had nothing to do with beating the Patriots. Nope. Oh look, the Steelers are 8-2 and on top of the AFC, instead of being locked in a race for the wildcard.

The 49ers got sick of losing to the Cowboys in the 90's and made moves to beat them. The Ravens made moves to beat the Steelers. Well, this time the shoe is on the other foot. We're collectively sick and tired of losing to New England.
You sound angry today. Eat turkey, drink, and be merry!! Let's worry about the Pats in a few weeks, enjoy the ride my brotha. :-)

[fansince'76]

When said team has pretty much kicked your ass for the better part of a decade, their QB has not thrown an interception against your team since Bush II was in office, and said team is once more standing in the way of what you want, yeah, it gets a little inside your head, and you have to be a complete fool to believe that the Patriots aren't lurking inside the heads of Ben, Bell, AB and all of the players in that locker room. Yeah, those moves to get Joe Haden, cutting the dead weight and revamping the Defense certainly had nothing to do with beating the Patriots. Nope. Oh look, the Steelers are 8-2 and on top of the AFC, instead of being locked in a race for the wildcard.

The 49ers got sick of losing to the Cowboys in the 90's and made moves to beat them. The Ravens made moves to beat the Steelers. Well, this time the shoe is on the other foot. We're collectively sick and tired of losing to New England.

http://www.troll.me/images/business-cat-needs/im-skeered-thumb.jpg

[lipps83]

When said team has pretty much kicked your ass for the better part of a decade, their QB has not thrown an interception against your team since Bush II was in office, and said team is once more standing in the way of what you want, yeah, it gets a little inside your head, and you have to be a complete fool to believe that the Patriots aren't lurking inside the heads of Ben, Bell, AB and all of the players in that locker room. Yeah, those moves to get Joe Haden, cutting the dead weight and revamping the Defense certainly had nothing to do with beating the Patriots. Nope. Oh look, the Steelers are 8-2 and on top of the AFC, instead of being locked in a race for the wildcard.

Better part of a decade? It's been going on for nearly 20 years, or 2 decades. Since the 2002 AFC Championship.

[Psycho Ward 86]

When your the best and more successful team in the league, you can afford that arrogance. When you're second fiddle trying to get to the top, you haven't earned that right to be arrogant.




When said team has pretty much kicked your ass for the better part of a decade, their QB has not thrown an interception against your team since Bush II was in office, and said team is once more standing in the way of what you want, yeah, it gets a little inside your head, and you have to be a complete fool to believe that the Patriots aren't lurking inside the heads of Ben, Bell, AB and all of the players in that locker room. Yeah, those moves to get Joe Haden, cutting the dead weight and revamping the Defense certainly had nothing to do with beating the Patriots. Nope. Oh look, the Steelers are 8-2 and on top of the AFC, instead of being locked in a race for the wildcard.

The 49ers got sick of losing to the Cowboys in the 90's and made moves to beat them. The Ravens made moves to beat the Steelers. Well, this time the shoe is on the other foot. We're collectively sick and tired of losing to New England.

This. Especially this last line. Its just illogical to me that some seem to be more mad that fans can get obsessed with wanting to beat a team that always bullies them, rather than being mad that they keep losing to said team. That being said, im more optimistic than i can ever recollect that we can win for a change, even sweep them a 2nd time. Less talented teams have done as much

[polamalubeast]

It's possible that it changes....The pats were 6-0 against the colts between 2001 to 2004, including 2-0 in the playoffs, but between 2005 to 2009, the colts were 5-1 against the pats, including their win in the 2006 AFC title game

The 49ers against the Cowboys in the 1990s is a another example.

[FrancoLambert]

Since it's rooted in the longstanding results and record books, I view it as a healthy obsession.

Cliche alert! To be the best you have to beat the best.
They've been the best for a while and they have our number.

Making changes to match up better is being smart not obsessive.
If we're fully healthy I like our chances this year.

[fansince'76]

This. Especially this last line. Its just illogical to me that some seem to be more mad that fans can get obsessed with wanting to beat a team that always bullies them, rather than being mad that they keep losing to said team. That being said, im more optimistic than i can ever recollect that we can win for a change, even sweep them a 2nd time. Less talented team have done as much

I agree with your optimism. And it's also a far cry from this:


Yep. The Patriots still look like Patriots, and I've seen nothing from this Steelers team that says that the December 17th matchup will be anything but another Brady masterpiece and another New England destruction.

It's the damn defeatism I get tired of.

[DesertSteel]

Better part of a decade? It's been going on for nearly 20 years, or 2 decades. Since the 2002 AFC Championship.
Ummm.... in case you've forgotten, we've been to three Super Bowls since then and won two.

This Patriots worship gets old.

[Lady Steel]

One game at a time.

[pczach]

Ummm.... in case you've forgotten, we've been to three Super Bowls since then and won two.

This Patriots worship gets old.



^^^^^^^^^^
Very much this.


In the minds of some, none of those other Super Bowls are legit because they didn't go through the Patriots.......But.....if the Patriots weren't good enough to make it to the AFC Championship game and the Steelers win the Super Bowl.....the Steelers just lucked out.

It's mind-blowing.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

When your the best and more successful team in the league, you can afford that arrogance. When you're second fiddle trying to get to the top, you haven't earned that right to be arrogant.

.

Coach Wooden was one of the most humble coaches in the history of sports. A man of faith and work ethic from the midwest. He was far from arrogant and I don't think he would have ever deemed it a right to be arrogant.

Wooden's point is that human beings cannot control the actions or thoughts of others and can only control their own actions and attitudes, so why be concerned with others. Chuck Noll was similar in that from all accounts his practices were about meticulous execution of player responsibilities, repetition and focusing on the job his players had to complete. Tomlin gets it too, worry about the guys in your room and them doing their job to defeat the opponent...whoever it is.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I agree with your optimism. And it's also a far cry from this:



It's the damn defeatism I get tired of.

Well he has valid reason to feel that way. People want to point out that the Patriots seem more vulnerable than ever this season, citing their last ranked total defense, last ranked pass defense, and near last run defense. But whats their scoring defense? It's 12th, and uncoincidentally has been trending upward ever since their 2-2 start. They've been giving up 12.5 PPG in their last 6 games. Thats even better than us. We can talk about strength of schedule and all of that too, but the Patriots are holding all of their opponents during their winning streak to less PPG than their scoring average. We're still ranked 31st in red zone offense even after we did well in that regard against the Titans. The outlook on paper appears that we'll have no trouble moving the ball, but we'll have an awful time trying to score. That sounds like an obnoxiously familiar tune

17-3 at playoff games in Gilette vs. 3-4 away from home in playoff games for Brady. We have a lot riding on Week 15

[Craic]

Ummm.... in case you've forgotten, we've been to three Super Bowls since then and won two.

This Patriots worship gets old.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the Steelers consistently lose to the Pats* since 2001 or so, which was the point he was making.

[DesertSteel]

That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the Steelers consistently lose to the Pats* since 2001 or so, which was the point he was making.
So the Super Bowls don’t count unless they go through NE? My point was a counter point which included a new point.

[Born2Steel]

Ummm.... in case you've forgotten, we've been to three Super Bowls since then and won two.

This Patriots worship gets old.

The Patriot worship is indeed OLD. It's time to believe in THIS team and what WE are capable of. THOSE guys are not unbeatable. We almost beat them just last season with Landry Jones and no Bryant or JuJu.

I'm even going to go so far as to say this game in week 15 doesn't mean as much as some on here are hyping. Even if we lose that game, it has zero bearing on the playoffs if we get to play them there. Streaks and records are made to be broken and we have just the team to do that very thing.

[43Hitman]

The Patriot worship is indeed OLD. It's time to believe in THIS team and what WE are capable of. THOSE guys are not unbeatable. We almost beat them just last season with Landry Jones and no Bryant or JuJu.

I'm even going to go so far as to say this game in week 15 doesn't mean as much as some on here are hyping. Even if we lose that game, it has zero bearing on the playoffs if we get to play them there. Streaks and records are made to be broken and we have just the team to do that very thing.

This ^^

[DesertSteel]

Brady had a pretty long title drought until last year. People seem to forget that.

[Craic]

So the Super Bowls don’t count unless they go through NE? My point was a counter point which included a new point.

Say what? Nobody was talking about winning superbowls. They were talking about the ability of the Steelers to beat the Pats*. Look below to see the quoted posts in each successive post to my post.


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And the Understatement of the Century Award goes to...

Nothing here about a SB.


When your the best and more successful team in the league, you can afford that arrogance. When you're second fiddle trying to get to the top, you haven't earned that right to be arrogant.
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When said team has pretty much kicked your ass for the better part of a decade, their QB has not thrown an interception against your team since Bush II was in office, and said team is once more standing in the way of what you want, yeah, it gets a little inside your head, and you have to be a complete fool to believe that the Patriots aren't lurking inside the heads of Ben, Bell, AB and all of the players in that locker room. Yeah, those moves to get Joe Haden, cutting the dead weight and revamping the Defense certainly had nothing to do with beating the Patriots. Nope. Oh look, the Steelers are 8-2 and on top of the AFC, instead of being locked in a race for the wildcard.

The 49ers got sick of losing to the Cowboys in the 90's and made moves to beat them. The Ravens made moves to beat the Steelers. Well, this time the shoe is on the other foot. We're collectively sick and tired of losing to New England.

Nothing here about winning a SB. It's about the ability to beat the Pats*.


Ummm.... in case you've forgotten, we've been to three Super Bowls since then and won two.

This Patriots worship gets old.
So, what does this have to do with whether we can or cannot beat the Pats*? No one's arguing we haven't been to three SBs, or that we've won two of them. No one's arguing that we haven't been a successful franchise in the last 10-15 years. The entire argument is how we are not able to beat the Pats* in that time frame.


That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the Steelers consistently lose to the Pats* since 2001 or so, which was the point he was making.

Pretty much what I just said above.


So the Super Bowls don’t count unless they go through NE? My point was a counter point which included a new point.

And so, again, say what? No one was even talking about SBs except for you, and the counter-point countered nothing as there wasn't an argument concerning SBs or the Steelers being an all-around good team. The argument was only that we cannot seem to beat the Pats* and as such, the obsession with beating them is or is not justified.

Perhaps, you were reading into it that some were saying the Steelers are therefore not any good. And, to be honest, I'm sure some have suggested that in other threads, but in the line of discussion listed above, it's not there. That's what I was responding to.

(Sorry if this was pedantic—not my intention. I was just trying to be clear :drink: <---pepsi for me).

EDIT - and on re-read, this post comes across a little snarky—not my intention either . . . sorry about that.

[DesertSteel]

That seemed exhausting. :D

[Craic]

That seemed exhausting. :D

Well, I did go to bed afterwards . . . :chuckle:

[Psycho Ward 86]

Brady had a pretty long title drought until last year. People seem to forget that.

What? Brady won a superbowl 2 seasons prior

[BostonBlackie]

"It is time for Steelers fans to give Mike Tomlin some credit"


I give him some credit every time we beat you. :heh:

[43Hitman]

"It is time for Steelers fans to give Mike Tomlin some credit"


I give him some credit every time we beat you. :heh:

:blah::blah::blah: :countdown

[teegre]

Again, I shall paraphrase Willie McGinnest:

This Steelers team and this Taperiots team have nothing to do with what has happened in the past. Heck, some of the guys who are there now, weren’t there a few years ago, let alone in 2004. Last season... okay... so what??? Every year, every game is different.


As in: JuJu wasn’t in kindergarten yet, when the Steelers lost to the Taperiots in the 2001 AFCCG... in second grade in 2004... and still in college in 2016.

[polamalubeast]

Again, I shall paraphrase Willie McGinnest:

This Steelers team and this Taperiots team have nothing to do with what has happened in the past. Heck, some of the guys who are there now, weren’t there a few years ago, let alone in 2004. Last season... okay... so what??? Every year, every game is different.


As in: JuJu wasn’t in kindergarten yet, when the Steelers lost to the Taperiots in the 2001 AFCCG... in second grade in 2004... and still in college in 2016.

Yes, but if the steelers use the same strategy as in the past against the Pats, it's going to be game over for the steelers before the game starts.

I trust that the steelers will use a different strategy this time, but it needs to be the case, since if Brady knows before the snap where to make the pass it's game over for us.Brady has 22 TD,0 INT vs Tomlin in 7 games in his career and both are still there.

[43Hitman]

:deadhorse:

[Edman]

Nothing here about winning a SB. It's about the ability to beat the Pats*.

Once again, when said team is by and large the strongest team in the league, and has been your better for nearly two decades, and is once more right there in your way, your ability to beat them will be called into question.

Wether you want to admit it or not, the road to the Super Bowl goes through New England.

2016: Patriots win 27-16 at Heinz, Steelers fans retort that we didn't have Ben! The faced them again, with the Killer B's, and the game wasn't even close, a 36-17 massacre. Patriots didn't even have Gronk and still destroyed the Steelers. So whats the excuse this time? We didn't have Bell! Bell got hurt! Yeah, thats it! The Patriots can't possibly be better than us! Six super bowls!

The sheer arrogance of Steelers fans is quite astounding, they cannot admit that the shoe is on the other foot, and this time, the Steelers are the second banana team to another that is standing in their way. Call it "defeatism", "Patriots Worship" or being "skeered". I call it being realistic and giving respect to an opponent where it is due. The Pats have done a good job and have owned the Steelers, and I'm quite frankly tired or it.

If you want anyone to blame or get mad at, get mad at those men who wear black and gold, who let this team bitch them over and over again. "Patriots worship" will stop, when you beat them.

Thankfully, the Steelers organization are not internet fans, and realized they can longer afford to be arrogant and rest on their laurels, and the results are there so far. 8-2 record and not stuck with a mediocre, underachieving record waiting for other teams to lose.

[smokin3000gt]

........


As in: JuJu wasn’t in kindergarten yet, when the Steelers lost to the Taperiots in the 2001 AFCCG... in second grade in 2004... and still in college in 2016.


Damn.. that's the oldest I'll feel all day..

[lipps83]

Once again, when said team is by and large the strongest team in the league, and has been your better for nearly two decades, and is once more right there in your way, your ability to beat them will be called into question.

Wether you want to admit it or not, the road to the Super Bowl goes through New England.

2016: Patriots win 27-16 at Heinz, Steelers fans retort that we didn't have Ben! The faced them again, with the Killer B's, and the game wasn't even close, a 36-17 massacre. Patriots didn't even have Gronk and still destroyed the Steelers. So whats the excuse this time? We didn't have Bell! Bell got hurt! Yeah, thats it! The Patriots can't possibly be better than us! Six super bowls!

The sheer arrogance of Steelers fans is quite astounding, they cannot admit that the shoe is on the other foot, and this time, the Steelers are the second banana team to another that is standing in their way. Call it "defeatism", "Patriots Worship" or being "skeered". I call it being realistic and giving respect to an opponent where it is due. The Pats have done a good job and have owned the Steelers, and I'm quite frankly tired or it.

If you want anyone to blame or get mad at, get mad at those men who wear black and gold, who let this team bitch them over and over again. "Patriots worship" will stop, when you beat them.

Thankfully, the Steelers organization are not internet fans, and realized they can longer afford to be arrogant and rest on their laurels, and the results are there so far. 8-2 record and not stuck with a mediocre, underachieving record waiting for other teams to lose.

This is a huge problem for fans, not just Steelers fans, but over all. Any team, it is the same. Obviously, being a Steelers fan, I see it here all the time. And of course, here and there I am guilty of it too, especially in the moment. If you see me in the game day thread, you probably hate me. I am not a fan of Haley or Butler, and I make that well known. Sure, defense is 2nd in the league and I still don't care (I must hate the Steelers).

Anyway...

After the smoke clears, I look at it objectively as a fan of the sport, not a fan of the team. I am a fan of football first, Steelers second.

Fans almost NEVER, NEVER give credit to the opponent. If a defender gets a pick, Ben screwed up, or Brown, or Bryant, or Bell, or Haley, Arians, Maddox, Bradshaw, it doesn't matter. It is impossible for the defender to make a good play. Someone on the team you root for, screwed up without doubt.

Every negative play is because somebody on the Steelers screwed up. If JJ Watt sacks Ben, it isn't because Watt is a 3x defensive MVP and an amazing player, it is because the lineman let him get by and time to look for a new lineman. Or Ben didn't get rid of the ball quick enough. If Brown and a defender battle for a jump ball and the defender knocks it away even though it hit Brown in the hands, it is Browns fault because well, it hit his hands and the defenders actions are irrelevant. The opponent is virtually invisible in a fans eyes.

And so it goes with the Patriots and their dominance of the Steelers. To a Steelers fan, the Lombardi already belongs to the Steelers and the NFL season is just a tournament to see if another team can wrestle the trophy away from the rightful owner. Patriots have been better at it over the last 20 years, but [insert excuse here].

Of course, I am sure this post will go over most peoples heads and I should probably go root for the Patriots since I can't be objective (<- key word) in favor of the Steelers.

[Craic]

blah blah blah . . . I can't be objective (<- key word) in favor of the Steelers.

:chuckle:

[BostonBlackie]

:blah::blah::blah: :countdown

It was just a joke I couldn't resist. Not meant to offend.

[43Hitman]

It was just a joke I couldn't resist. Not meant to offend.
Its all good. I meant that in a light-hearted way. :lol: :drink:

[BnG_Hevn]

Some would say they are winning despite Tomlin.

For arguments sake, let's say Tomlin is not a good coach. How good would this team be if they had a good coach?

I'm not for or against Tomlin, coaches can't control a player dropping a pass or fumbling. Unless of course the Jags game was a rebellion by Ben, in that case it would be Tomlin's fault.

[43Hitman]

Some would say they are winning despite Tomlin.

For arguments sake, let's say Tomlin is not a good coach. How good would this team be if they had a good coach?

I'm not for or against Tomlin, coaches can't cont-rol a player dropping a pass or fumbling. Unless of course the Jags game was a rebellion by Ben, in that case it would be Tomlin's fault.
Well if that's the argument(And I am certainly not one of those guys, I think Tomlin is a top 3 coach in this league) and we are currently 8-2 one could only surmise that we would be undefeated at this point.

[Born2Steel]

Some would say they are winning despite Tomlin.

For arguments sake, let's say Tomlin is not a good coach. How good would this team be if they had a good coach?

I'm not for or against Tomlin, coaches can't control a player dropping a pass or fumbling. Unless of course the Jags game was a rebellion by Ben, in that case it would be Tomlin's fault.

But Tomlin IS a good coach, so your hypothetical situation doesn't make sense. How worse would this team be if we had a bad HC, like Lewis?

[fansince'76]

The sheer arrogance of Steelers fans is quite astounding, they cannot admit that the shoe is on the other foot, and this time, the Steelers are the second banana team to another that is standing in their way. Call it "defeatism", "Patriots Worship" or being "skeered". I call it being realistic and giving respect to an opponent where it is due. The Pats have done a good job and have owned the Steelers, and I'm quite frankly tired or it.

There's a difference between respecting an opponent and acting like your team shouldn't even bother showing up. Like teegre pointed out, every season is different, and every game is different. If not being willing to concede defeat before the team even takes the field is "arrogance," then so be it.

[Born2Steel]

I'm not sure just who the Pats have played this year that they shouldn't have beaten. The only consistent team was the Panthers and they lost that one. The only team we have in common so far is the Chiefs. Why do we have so many doubters this season?

[43Hitman]

I'm not sure just who the Pats have played this year that they shouldn't have beaten. The only consistent team was the Panthers and they lost that one. The only team we have in common so far is the Chiefs. Why do we have so many doubters this season?
Because they live in their fears. :chuckle: :tomlinism:

[Born2Steel]

Because they live in their fears. :chuckle: :tomlinism:

Yep. And have to bring those fears into each and every thread.

[FrancoLambert]

I'm not sure just who the Pats have played this year that they shouldn't have beaten. The only consistent team was the Panthers and they lost that one. The only team we have in common so far is the Chiefs. Why do we have so many doubters this season?

Aside from playing us, they get to feast on the AFC East down the stretch.

[BostonBlackie]

I never think about a game that's coming up as a win or a loss. I always wait and see how it unfolds. Now, do I watch a first quarter at times and think, ok, we got this one, or we're in trouble? Of course. And as many times as I've seen this team, under this coach, with this quarterback, come back in the second half, do I think they're going to automatically do it? Never. Do I give up, no. I watch. That's what it's all about. Don't get into predicting, just watch the game unfold. Watch the season unfold. Watch the playoffs unfold. Of course the playoffs are the toughest to watch, because there's no tomorrow, it's all on the line.

Now, that all sounds obvious, but it isn't that easy to do.

[Steeldude]

So if the Steelers lose to another inferior team does Tomlin credit?

[Bluecoat96]

So if the Steelers lose to another inferior team does Tomlin credit?Because it's Tomlin's fault Ben threw that int? Did Tomlin make Rogers and James drop those easy passes? Relax. It's early.

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[43Hitman]

Because it's Tomlin's fault Ben threw that int? Did Tomlin make Rogers and James drop those easy passes? Relax. It's early.

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He lives in Depressoville. Don't worry about it.

[BostonBlackie]

Great game to watch.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I'm not sure just who the Pats have played this year that they shouldn't have beaten. The only consistent team was the Panthers and they lost that one. The only team we have in common so far is the Chiefs. Why do we have so many doubters this season?

Thats a circular argument, because thats a product of being a really good team.

Why do we have doubters? lipps83 and Edman laid it out there very concisely and no one wants to address them because they know they arent wrong.

Brett Hundley torching us for a 130+ passer rating is a new reason that isnt going to give people confidence. Brett Hundley. The guy who has been grading out as the worst starting QB in the league behind only Deshone Kizer.

But yes, Brady will be slaughtered when we play him of course because fate wills it.

[teegre]

So if the Steelers lose to another inferior team does Tomlin credit?

“another” :huh:

The Steelers have played a bevy of inferior QBs over the past 17 regular season games... and the Steelers are 15-2 in those games.

[fansince'76]

EDIT: Never mind. Tired of this argument. We'll all just see how the season plays out.

[Mojouw]

Thats a circular argument, because thats a product of being a really good team.

Why do we have doubters? lipps83 and Edman laid it out there very concisely and no one wants to address them because they know they arent wrong.

Brett Hundley torching us for a 130+ passer rating is a new reason that isnt going to give people confidence. Brett Hundley. The guy who has been grading out as the worst starting QB in the league behind only Deshone Kizer.

But yes, Brady will be slaughtered when we play him of course because fate wills it.

The biggest cause for concern in my opinion isn’t being talked about. Brady and those RBs are going to kill this defense on outside screens if the linebackers just keep running up the arc and ignoring outside contain.


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[Shoes]

That's kinda why they went out and got Joe Haden - because they were being consistently torched by shit QBs. Alas, Coty Sensabaugh = Antwon Blake Redux.



Yep, let's just pack it in and call it a season now and spare everyone the embarrassment because Brady is God. When he's done in the NFL he can finally get on with his true life's work of curing cancer and bringing world peace...

:lol:

[lipps83]

When he's done in the NFL he can finally get on with his true life's work of curing cancer and bringing world peace...

I've had that feeling about him too! I knew it couldn't just be me that sees it in him!

[Steeldude]

Because it's Tomlin's fault Ben threw that int? Did Tomlin make Rogers and James drop those easy passes? Relax. It's early.

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I'm not referring to any particular game.

[polamalubeast]

The blown coverage on defense need to stop ..... it's awful....6 TD over 50 yards in the last 3 games....

[BlackAndGold]

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Maybe it's true, but the steelers have to beat them, especially in the playoffs,home or on the road!

From Tomlin's comments last night, the team is thinking about the Pats also.

[polamalubeast]

From Tomlin's comments last night, the team is thinking about the Pats also.

Many did not agree with me and that was ridiculous, but it's obvious that the pats are in the steelers' heads and Tomlin's comments yesterday confirm that but it could be a good thing for the steelers.

We will see.

[BlackAndGold]

Many did not agree with me and that was ridiculous, but it's obvious that the pats are in the steelers' heads and Tomlin's comments yesterday confirm that but it could be a good thing for the steelers.

We will see.

My worry is if they can't beat them in December at home, what does that do to the team?

[teegre]

My worry is if they can't beat them in December at home, what does that do to the team?

The Broncos lost to the Steelers (about his same week) in the regular season in 1997... and then beat the Steelers, on the road, in the playoffs.

The Taperiots lost to the Steelers (about his half way) in the regular season in 2004... and then beat the Steelers, on the road, in the playoffs.

SUMMATION:
The regular season in nice, but I'd rather win in playoffs.

[tube517]

The Broncos lost to the Steelers (about his same week) in the regular season in 1997... and then beat the Steelers, on the road, in the playoffs.

The Taperiots lost to the Steelers (about his half way) in the regular season in 2004... and then beat the Steelers, on the road, in the playoffs.

SUMMATION:
The regular season in nice, but I'd rather win in playoffs.

Steelers lost to the Colts (blown out) in the regular season in 2005..and then beat the Colts, on the road, in the playoffs.

Giants lost twice to the Cowgirls in the regular season in 2007 and then beat the Gurls, on the road, in the playoffs.

The Rams lost to the Cowgirls (blown out) in the regular season in 1979 and then beat the Gurls, on the road, in the playoffs.

The Steelers lost twice to the Oilers in the regular season in 1989 and then beat the Oilers, on the road, in the playoffs.

The Jets were blown out by the Cheats** (45-3) in the regular season in 2010 and then beat the Cheats**, on the road, in the playoffs.

I'm sure there are many more but I ran out of ideas.

[BlackAndGold]

Sure all those examples are solid, but this team seems to obsess with the Pats(reason why it's not exactly the same as mentioned above). A loss could easily break them. They know they have to get past them, they talked about it during the off season, plus the media hasn't helped.

I'm seeing a Chiefs team falling apart after getting completely outclassed by the Steelers, a team they can't get passed even at their best(play on the field and home field advantage) guess you can see why I have my worries.

I want the Pats as much as possible, I'm a believer of going at the best and knocking them down(as a Clemson fan, I wanted Bama in the NC for a rematch, so glad it happened). I just hope this team is ready.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

So if Belichek isn't looking ahead to the Steelers and talking about it to his players (as per Rodney Harrison's comments)....but Tomlin openly discussed looking ahead to the Patriots on national TV...who has the correct approach?

I guess if you have an unhealthy obsession with the Patriots and think they are always doing the right thing, then not looking ahead is the right thing to do?? But you are already looking ahead, so you just fell for the trap. :panic:

[DesertSteel]

So if Belichek isn't looking ahead to the Steelers and talking about it to his players (as per Rodney Harrison's comments)....but Tomlin openly discussed looking ahead to the Patriots on national TV...who has the correct approach?

I guess if you have an unhealthy obsession with the Patriots and think they are always doing the right thing, then not looking ahead is the right thing to do?? But you are already looking ahead, so you just fell for the trap. :panic:
The right thing for Tomlin to do is the opposite of whatever he has been doing because that ain't working!

[86WARD]

Zero wrong with what Tomlin said. The discussion was going in that direction...anyone criticizing him for what he has said here is nitpicking. Non-story.