Late hit on Ben

[Shoes]

No call as usual on the late hit on Ben. Anyone here think it would have been the same call for Brady? :chuckle:

[vasteeler]

Nope, doesn't surprise me though. What would surprise me is if he did get that call.

[SteelerFanInStl]

It's pure b.s. I'm sure that crap plays a part in Ben's retirement talk. He gets beat up and never gets a flag while other QBs get breathed on and they get a flag.

[86WARD]

It was BS. He clearly gets hit late at least once a week and Inthink has only gotten one of those calls.

[st33lersguy]

Gotohell's refs strike again

[Craic]

No call as usual on the late hit on Ben. Anyone here think it would have been the same call for Brady? :chuckle:

Probably would have been, at least statistically. Both Ben and Brady have had one Roughing the Passer call this year. Moreover, since 2009, Brady gets a roughing the passer call 0.39 percent of the time and Ben, .35 percent of the time. 22 QBs get more calls than Brady over that time period.

Okay, but what about when they're actually hit? Brady gets a call once every .082 sacks (1 out of every 12ish sacks). Ben, once every .053 sacks (1 out of every 19 sacks). By comparison, sixteen other QBs got more roughing the passer calls per sack, the top being Ryan Fitzpatrick, who gets a call .18 times per sack (or almost 1 out of every 5 sacks).

In fact, going by the shear number of Roughing the Passer penalties per QB, This year, Ben and Brady are tied at 1. Ahead of them is A. Smith with 5, J. Cutler with 4, R. Wilson with 3, and C. Palmer, D. Brees, and J. McCown with 2.

[Butch]

Probably would have been, at least statistically. Both Ben and Brady have had one Roughing the Passer call this year. Moreover, since 2009, Brady gets a roughing the passer call 0.39 percent of the time and Ben, .35 percent of the time. 22 QBs get more calls than Brady over that time period.

Okay, but what about when they're actually hit? Brady gets a call once every .082 sacks (1 out of every 12ish sacks). Ben, once every .053 sacks (1 out of every 19 sacks). By comparison, sixteen other QBs got more roughing the passer calls per sack, the top being Ryan Fitzpatrick, who gets a call .18 times per sack (or almost 1 out of every 5 sacks).

In fact, going by the shear number of Roughing the Passer penalties per QB, This year, Ben and Brady are tied at 1. Ahead of them is A. Smith with 5, J. Cutler with 4, R. Wilson with 3, and C. Palmer, D. Brees, and J. McCown with 2.

Fun stats but they really don't answer the issue. How many times has there been a blatant roughing the passer not called for shady brady? I see it all the time on Ben and last night was a glaring example. Your stats simply say how many times it was called, not how many times it should have been called. The NFL constantly turns a blind eye on hits to Ben I sincerely doubt they do the same for brady. With Ben teams know they can get away with it and with brady they know they can't so that is why your stats are misleading.

[Craic]

Fun stats but they really don't answer the issue. How many times has there been a blatant roughing the passer not called for shady brady? I see it all the time on Ben and last night was a glaring example. Your stats simply say how many times it was called, not how many times it should have been called. The NFL constantly turns a blind eye on hits to Ben I sincerely doubt they do the same for brady. With Ben teams know they can get away with it and with brady they know they can't so that is why your stats are misleading.

"Should have been called" is a very subjective issue made even more so when we believe our guy continually gets screwed and everyone else gets calls when someone is within 5 yards of him. In these cases, stats are to be believed as much or more precisely because of the subjectivity and emotional connection we have to our teams.

[Butch]

"Should have been called" is a very subjective issue made even more so when we believe our guy continually gets screwed and everyone else gets calls when someone is within 5 yards of him. In these cases, stats are to be believed as much or more precisely because of the subjectivity and emotional connection we have to our teams.

Stats only report what is called and do not take into affect things that are missed, therefore they can be misleading and just as subjective. Stats are a snapshot but do not always tell the whole story. It's like when the ball hits the receiver right in the hands and is then intercepted. The stat goes to the QB even though the QB threw a good pass. If you take into affect that Int's can be blamed just as much on the WR then you can also say the Int. stat is just as subjective. As for your assumption that we think Ben is the only one who gets screwed that is also a mistake. There are others who also do not get these calls as often as they should. Brady is not one of them.

[tube517]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/31/nfls-position-on-cam-newton-11-quarterbacks-have-more-missed-roughing-calls-since-2013/

From last year, when Cam Newton raised a fuss over missed roughing calls:


From the league’s perspective, the officials have missed three roughing calls on Cam since the start of the 2013 season. (Yes, that seems low.) Eleven other quarterbacks, by the league’s count, have had more missed roughing calls: Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Geno Smith, Josh McCown, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Case Keenum, and Ryan Tannehill.

Another article that looks specifically at Cam Newton but compared to other QBs (Brady, Rodgers etc).

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17939672/cam-newton-get-superstar-qb-treatment-nfl-officials-2016

[Texasteel]

Ben could get tackled on the way to the bus leaving the game and the refs wouldn't call it. Too close to call. Just a fact of steelers life guys.

[steel striker]

Some things never change!!

[Moose]

Defensive player's can't even look in the direction of Marcia. I do think because Ben can usually take a 'hit' and shakes it off, and Marcia can't and act's out pain is a reason too. Ben needs to get a little more theatrical and Tomlin needs to act pissed and start screaming.

[Texasteel]

Defensive player's can't even look in the direction of Marcia. I do think because Ben can usually take a 'hit' and shakes it off, and Marcia can't and act's out pain is a reason too. Ben needs to get a little more theatrical and Tomlin needs to act pissed and start screaming.

We all know Ben can take a hit and keep playing, but don't you think that all this tolerated abuse may have shortened his football.

[Moose]

We all know Ben can take a hit and keep playing, but don't you think that all this tolerated abuse may have shortened his football.

Oh for sure, I agree 100%

[lipps83]

I am not sure which play you are referring to. I don't recall any potential late hit that should have been called. I do admit to switching back and forth between football and porn, so it could have been during one of those times when I was engaged in the latter.

[SteelerFanInStl]

I am not sure which play you are referring to. I don't recall any potential late hit that should have been called. I do admit to switching back and forth between football and porn, so it could have been during one of those times when I was engaged in the latter.

I don't remember exactly when it was but it was late in the game. The announcers even mentioned it.

[AtlantaDan]

I don't remember exactly when it was but it was late in the game. The announcers even mentioned it.

DE #90 Cornelius Washington hit Ben on the 3rd and 15 swing pass to Bell with 6 minutes to go - he did not drive Ben into the ground but he could have stopped - I have seen flags for less

[Born2Steel]

BB has never gotten that call if it's anywhere near close. I can remember games in which defenders took 4-5 steps after the ball was gone, with no flag on the late hit. I think what happened was 'Early Ben' and how much he could withstand from defenders. I don't remember the players name, he was a Patriot, then went to the Raiders. He actually punched Ben in the face after a play. Ben took the punch without much of a flinch. I guess had Ben made it look like those late hits, and even the normal hits, were painful at all, he might get more penalties called in his favor now. I don't know why that should make a difference, but maybe it does.