Week 3: @ Bears

[Psycho Ward 86]

This was looking to be one of the worst teams in the NFL going into the season. 1 close loss with the NFC Champion Falcons, and 1 blowout loss to a potential playoff team in the Bucs. I think the offense will continue to get their sealegs under them but still get a tougher game than the Bears lack of talent suggests. Shut down Jordan Howard and this is an automatic win. Even if Tuitt and Watt miss the game I have no doubt we'll be able to do just that. Haden and Burns did a fantastic job today against a good early season test of Diggs/Thielen. Deonte Thompson and Kendall Wright will be far easier for them to cover

30-20 Steelers

[polamalubeast]

One of the 2 teams that Tomlin has never beaten(The saints are the others).

[teegre]

I normally don't predict blowouts, but I feel that I'll see the Steelers trounce them 42-10.

[Edman]

Recipe for disaster. Bad team on the road in a place the Steelers have rarely won. The destruction in Philadelphia last year is still fresh on my mind. That's why I'm not predicting a "blowout" of any kind.

The Steelers have not won in Chicago since 1995, a lost classic in Steelers history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfdwf6XtMJk

[polamalubeast]

Recipe for disaster. Bad team on the road in a place the Steelers have rarely won.

The Steelers have not won in Chicago since 1995, a lost classic in Steelers history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfdwf6XtMJk


Only one game since 1995 in Chicago too.

[Edman]

Only one game since 1995 in Chicago too.

Not true, unfortunately. The Steelers played in Chicago in 2009...and lost. Had a lead in the final stretches, until the Defense collapsed down the stretch as per usual.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsRAkpOknIk

[polamalubeast]

Not true. The Steelers played in Chicago in 2009...and lost.

I want to block out the 2009 season too, so I don't blame you for forgetting it too.


I know,I wanted to say since this game in 1995

[BurghBoy412]

This team should intercept Glennon a few times. If this team is truly a Championship team, they'll handle Chicago on the road. Championship teams win the games they are supposed to win. And they do it in dominating fashion.

[BurghBoy412]

This was looking to be one of the worst teams in the NFL going into the season. 1 close loss with the NFC Champion Falcons, and 1 blowout loss to a potential playoff team in the Bucs. I think the offense will continue to get their sealegs under them but still get a tougher game than the Bears lack of talent suggests. Shut down Jordan Howard and this is an automatic win. Even if Tuitt and Watt miss the game I have no doubt we'll be able to do just that. Haden and Burns did a fantastic job today against a good early season test of Diggs/Thielen. Deonte Thompson and Kendall Wright will be far easier for them to cover

30-20 SteelersThey Better not give up 20 to the Bears.

[polamalubeast]

The only time the steelers played against Glennon was in 2014 with Tampa Bay and he had 250 passing yards in the second half ....

[st33lersguy]

Sounds like another potential case where they play down to a bad team

[salamander]

Historically, this has trap game written ALL over it...

[SteelMayhem72]

We will see if we play up for this weaker team

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[j-d-s]

One of the 2 teams that Tomlin has never beaten(The saints are the others).

And, technically, Tomlin also never beat us, as he was never HC of another NFL team.

But we all know for a fact that Tomlin has inflicted losses on ourselves numerous times :D.

[polamalubeast]

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[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I normally don't predict blowouts, but I feel that I'll see the Steelers trounce them 42-10. I'll go 31-9. I don't see Glennon doing anything but throwing 2 INT's and they don't want to throw Trubisky in the fray yet, because he couldn't lead a group of Boy scouts camping, but they don't want to admit that yet.

[Renegade]

Despite all the trappings that appear to be laid for a Tomlin team, the last 2 games had trap on them as well and even though the wins were not pretty, the record sure is (2-0). The defense is playing well and every time the offense needs to make a play, they do. I will do my best Cowher impersonation and say Steelers 20-Bears 10. (I hope it isn't like that horrible time the bears came to Heinz in 2013 and really laid us out.)

[Count Steeler]

Big V has to get going. He has been less than stellar at LT so far. I hope it is not because he got his contract extension. Tomlin said that he was in rotation yesterday because he wasn't feeling good.

The offense is coming together, still not hitting on all cylinders. This is what the preseason is for, but none of the regulars really played together in the preseason.

[BlackAndGold]

Expecting the worse, hoping for the best.

[pczach]

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Clearly, Tomlin is responsible for most of those losses since 1936.:chuckle:

[teegre]

I'll go 31-9. I don't see Glennon doing anything but throwing 2 INT's

I agree about 28 by the offense. I threw in two pick-sixes by the defense.

[polamalubeast]

This game could be close....

I mean, the game is in Chicago and in week 1, the Bears have almost won against the Falcons.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I agree about 28 by the offense. I threw in two pick-sixes by the defense.

Ah, I didn't think that Mike Mitchell has the ability to take it to the house and I think Shazier or Gay gets the other one in the underneath zone. :) Honestly, I haven't seen the Bears yet, but when Tony Dungy is advocating for them to start playing Trubisky, Glennon must be playing really bad right now.

[Iron Steeler]

TRAP GAME..

Leveon needs to get going sooner. Ben needs to stop overthrowing everyone. Get those things fixed then we come out with a W.

not predicting a blowout.

[Born2Steel]

Team vs team, we should win this one going away. Is Soldier still grass? That could slow down our speed guys a bit, but I don't see us losing this one. Of course, I don't ever see us losing any .

[RunNGun]

I think we win this one in dominant fashion. I'll say 30-10. One thing I'm hoping to see is more of James Conner. I've been saying throughout preseason and yesterday during the game, let Conner play a couple series a game. Right now, if Conner comes in and rushes for 40 yards and gets a TD on a series it's going to light a much needed fire under Bell's ass. Not only will it motivate Bell, but it will also go a long way in keeping Bell healthy in the long run. I, in no way, shape, or form, think Conner could be a better RB than Bell, but I think he is a capable back, and it will benefit both backs if Conner can get some more touches.

[teegre]

Ah, I didn't think that Mike Mitchell has the ability to take it to the house and I think Shazier or Gay gets the other one in the underneath zone. :) Honestly, I haven't seen the Bears yet, but when Tony Dungy is advocating for them to start playing Trubisky, Glennon must be playing really bad right now.

I'm thinking Gay for one of the pick sixes. He has the NFL record (or is tied for the record) for "most consecutive INTs returned for TDs in a row". I feel that they Bears will pass, pass, pass, pass in the fourth quarter, and Gay will bait the opposing QB.

The other pick six. Pffft... obvious:
Javon Hargrave

[ALLD]

These are the 2017 Bears, not the 1985 team. Steelers need to activate 3 RBs and pound the ball. I don't think it will be nationally televised and has boring written all over it. Don't think the O will improve much because they will not be tested and to this point have not done anymore than necessary to win.

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[steel striker]

Yeah on the road let's hope the Steelers come to play remember they almost beat the ATL in week one!

[86WARD]

On the road against a bad Chicago team. Has all the makings...

[Moose]

Sounds like another potential case where they play down to a bad team

Yep, this scares me too. Chicago a 'bottom feeder' for right now ( early in season), at home and looking to get their fans pumped....definitely going to be a test for our guys to play UP and stop that bottom feeder crap. GO STEELER'S

[43Hitman]

I aint skeerrd.. Steelers dominate 35-3

[AtlantaDan]

Not true, unfortunately. The Steelers played in Chicago in 2009...and lost. Had a lead in the final stretches, until the Defense collapsed down the stretch as per usual.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsRAkpOknIk

Yep - that was the first game after Troy was injured in the season opener and missed his first stretch of time in 2009 that showed how much he meant to that defense.

Also the beginning of Jeff Reed's demise - Reed had been money until 2009 but missed 2 FGs in the 4th quarter before Bears kicked game ending FG to win

http://www.espn.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290920003

[BurghBoy412]

On paper Chicago doesn't come close to matching up on either side of the ball. I can see this being a big game for the receiving corps. Considering that Bears are starting a 10th year vet in Quintin Demps at one Safety spot. While the other Safety spot is occupied by a Rookie in Eddie Jackson. I expect we'll see another long ball fest. I can really see the Steeler recievers stretching this Defense vertically while Bell gets going underneath. I don't worry about this being too much of a "trap" game. Yes the Steelers have Baltimore on the schedule in week 4. But the Bears will travel to GB for a week 4 tilt with the Packers.

[RunNGun]

On paper Chicago doesn't come close to matching up on either side of the ball. I can see this being a big game for the receiving corps. Considering that Bears are starting a 10th year vet in Quintin Demps at one Safety spot. While the other Safety spot is occupied by a Rookie in Eddie Jackson. I expect we'll see another long ball fest. I can really see the Steeler recievers stretching this Defense vertically while Bell gets going underneath. I don't worry about this being too much of a "trap" game. Yes the Steelers have Baltimore on the schedule in week 4. But the Bears will travel to GB for a week 4 tilt with the Packers.

What does week 4 have to do with us beating the Bears? I think you're right though. The Bears will have to respect our speed and be forced to keep their safeties out of the box. This could be the game Bell has some room to operate.

[Born2Steel]

Glennon has completed 67% of his passes this season. Problem is he's averaging 6 yards per pass. Lots of dink and dunk passes. This is a great game for our DBs to play tight man coverage. Their leading receiver is their rookie RB though. We get to see Markus Wheaton this week too.

[BurghBoy412]

What does week 4 have to do with us beating the Bears? I think you're right though. The Bears will have to respect our speed and be forced to keep their safeties out of the box. This could be the game Bell has some room to operate.Week 4 in case the teams are looking ahead.

[st33lersguy]

A good portion of the Steelers biggest stinkers against bad teams (particularly the last few years,) have tended to come the week after big wins (a good portion of them being big division wins).
-Last year's stinker came a week after a big division win over the Bengirls
-The 2nd loss to the Ravens in 2015 where they had Ben playing came right after back-to-back wins against the 12-4 Bengals and the 12-4 Broncos (after trailing Denver by 17 points
-2014 loss to the Bucs came a week after demolishing the then 2-0 Panthers on Sunday night football in Carolina.
-The loss to the Jets later that year came after back-to-back romps against the Colts and Rats (after playing the Rats on Sunday night football)
-2013 loss to the Raiders followed a win over the Rats
-Going back to Tomlin's rookie year, the loss against the Jets came after 3 straight wins over each of the Steelers division rivals, the last of which was a 15 point comeback against the 10-6 Browns squad

Not sure how good Minnesota will be, but overall they got a 17 point win over a physical team with a top tier defense, it was a fairly impressive win, even with Case Keenum as a starter,

[Moose]

Nice research st33lersguy ! Thanks

[86WARD]

That's what I mean...has all the makings for a let down.

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[tube517]

From Tomlin's Presser:

Injuries

Outlaw - ankle
M. Gilbert - Hamstring may affect early week practices
Tuitt - Bicep
McDonald - Back
TJ - Groin
JJ Wilcox - last elements of concussion protocol

Will see how the week progresses.

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[Born2Steel]

A good portion of the Steelers biggest stinkers against bad teams (particularly the last few years,) have tended to come the week after big wins (a good portion of them being big division wins).
-Last year's stinker came a week after a big division win over the Bengirls
-The 2nd loss to the Ravens in 2015 where they had Ben playing came right after back-to-back wins against the 12-4 Bengals and the 12-4 Broncos (after trailing Denver by 17 points
-2014 loss to the Bucs came a week after demolishing the then 2-0 Panthers on Sunday night football in Carolina.
-The loss to the Jets later that year came after back-to-back romps against the Colts and Rats (after playing the Rats on Sunday night football)
-2013 loss to the Raiders followed a win over the Rats
-Going back to Tomlin's rookie year, the loss against the Jets came after 3 straight wins over each of the Steelers division rivals, the last of which was a 15 point comeback against the 10-6 Browns squad

Not sure how good Minnesota will be, but overall they got a 17 point win over a physical team with a top tier defense, it was a fairly impressive win, even with Case Keenum as a starter,

Depends on what you call a "BIG WIN".

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/55w1cs/record_following_a_blowout_win/

[polamalubeast]

To be honest, I do not think the win against the Vikings was a BIG win ...

Our first BIG game is going to be against the Ravens in week 4 and if we win in Baltimore, the steelers could have a letdown against the Jaguars but fortunately this game is home.

[Born2Steel]

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This 1-12 record a Soldier scares me more than any 'let down' scenario. We have a similar issue playing in Philly. Nothing you can put numbers to, or anything to do differently when it covers generations. Just have to stay focused and knock the QB down.

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To be honest, I do not think the win against the Vikings was a BIG win ...

Our first BIG game is going to be against the Ravens in week 4 and if we win in Baltimore, the steelers could have a letdown against the Jaguars but fortunately this game is home.

I don't either. But it was a blowout win.26-9. Steelers were only favored by 5.5 at home. 17 points is a blowout.

[BurghBoy412]

C'mon guys scared? Worried? WTF? When are we going to start showing some faith in these guys. Stop living in the past. Each season each team has its own identity. Why don't we worry when there is actually cause for worry? The team is 2-0 and yes they're starting out slow. However I'd rather they start off slow than start off fast and tail off. The slow start is forcing them to focus on details. This is going to pay dividends come playoff time. Freaking relax. Stop over thinking it. It's football not a damn mission to Mars.

[polamalubeast]

C'mon guys scared? Worried? WTF? When are we going to start showing some faith in these guys. Stop living in the past. Each season each team has its own identity. Why don't we worry when there is actually cause for worry? The team is 2-0 and yes they're starting out slow. However I'd rather they start off slow than start off fast and tail off. The slow start is forcing them to focus on details. This is going to pay dividends come playoff time. Freaking relax. Stop over thinking it. It's football not a damn mission to Mars.

This

[43Hitman]

There are a lot of Steeler fans that should just buy a dog.

[tube517]

There are a lot of Steeler fans that should just buy a dog.

https://queencitybeerleague.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/harrison-dog.png?w=640&h=603 :thumbsup:

[BurghBoy412]

https://queencitybeerleague.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/harrison-dog.png?w=640&h=603 [emoji106]Why you gotta stereotype James like that???

[43Hitman]

https://queencitybeerleague.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/harrison-dog.png?w=640&h=603 :thumbsup:


Why you gotta stereotype James like that???
:toofunny:

[Rotorhead]

JH would find the only dog out there that looks stronger than him!

[tube517]

Why you gotta stereotype James like that???

Naw. James Harrison is not human. He is James Harrison.

[polamalubeast]

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[Psycho Ward 86]

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i wonder how many we've won while being 7 point favorites or more? Context, context.


ill give 2009 a pass because that whole season was a choke job. 2012, Ben was clearly returning from injury too soon. The rest are inexcusable

[polamalubeast]

i wonder how many we've won while being 7 point favorites or more? Context, context.


ill give 2009 a pass because that whole season was a choke job. 2012, Ben was clearly returning from injury too soon. The rest are inexcusable

I do not know, but I know that this year the steelers were favorite in the first 2 games by more than a TD.

Against the Vikings, they changed their spread after Bradford was out...Before his injury, the steelers were favored by 5.5 and after we know that Bradford was going to be out, the steelers were favorite by 9.5

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This tweet was after the loss against Miami last year...

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[Shoes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0sYpqgc4MU

[polamalubeast]

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[AtlantaDan]

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Wonder when are we getting Romo so he can predict the play calls?

Ravens-Steelers shaping up as a game for the #1 CBS announcing crew

[polamalubeast]

Wonder when are we getting Romo so he can predict the play calls?

Ravens-Steelers shaping up as a game for the #1 CBS announcing crew


It's going to be in week 6 against KC

In week 4, the Raiders-Broncos games is at 4:25 ....

[Rotorhead]

A few players didnt practice due to illness, hope it isnt the same thing AV had

[86WARD]

Ben on the road.

Steelers playing on the road against an awful Bears team.

Going up against Glennon the Steelers Killer.

Most importantly, Markus Wheaton scheduled to return...

[polamalubeast]

I do not think the Bears will score a lot of points against us

Less than 20 points is very likely......

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[Born2Steel]

I think the defense takes over this one early. Offense just doesn't need to turn the ball over.

[polamalubeast]

I think the defense takes over this one early. Offense just doesn't need to turn the ball over.

One of our problems against the bad team in the last few years is that our defense often gave a TD on the opening drive of the opposing offense.

[Born2Steel]

One of our problems against the bad team in the last few years is that our defense often gave a TD on the opening drive of the opposing offense.

What are you saying? Do you think the defense lays an egg here and we lose this one? Are you predicting an opening drive TD for the Bears? I don't understand your follow up comment.

[polamalubeast]

What are you saying? Do you think the defense lays an egg here and we lose this one? Are you predicting an opening drive TD for the Bears? I don't understand your follow up comment.

No

This is just that every time we lose against the bad teams, our defense often gives a TD or 10 points in the first 2 drives

I'm not saying it's going to happen in Chicago, but that's one of the reasons the Steelers have problems with bad teams in the last few years.

[tube517]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKRrvwXXcAAkwUR.jpg:large Had no idea Booger Butt Fumble was on the Bears :noidea:

[Psycho Ward 86]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKRrvwXXcAAkwUR.jpg:large Had no idea Booger Butt Fumble was on the Bears :noidea:

Both starting guards are either too injured to practice or practicing in limited fashion late in the week. The DL is going to eat.

On another note, Im having a real laugh out of how aware media pundits have gotten about our penchant for playing down to the competition. Elliot Harrison always talks highly of the steelers but definitely has been giving us a ribbing about it the past couple seasons in his game picks. Were only onto game 3 and he's already given us crap about it in his predictions for us barely beating the Browns, and now, barely beating the Bears :lol:: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000848822/article/nfl-week-3-game-picks-falcons-squeak-by-lions-chiefs-hit-30

[teegre]

i wonder how many we've won while being 7 point favorites or more? Context, context.

Bingo!!!

Stats can be interpreted (and ignored) in order to prove one side or the other of almost any argument.

[AtlantaDan]

i wonder how many we've won while being 7 point favorites or more? Context, context.

Bingo!!!

Stats can be interpreted (and ignored) in order to prove one side or the other of almost any argument.

Because $$$ are involved, no surprise numbers have been crunched on winning percentages for teams favored by various numbers of points since it involves gambling, including but not limited to assessing the odds on a money line bet (who will win the game straight up, not who will cover)

For example the Bears are underdogs by 7-7&1/2 this week and the money line varies from Bears +280-290 (lose $100 if you bet Bears on money line to win/win $280-290 if Bears win)

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/money/

The following chart shows the probability of winning by point spread, based on historical data (from the 1994 through 2013 seasons).

https://wizardofodds.com/games/images/sports-betting/nfl-money-line.gif


This is the data from 1994 - 2013 of how often a 7 point underdog wins the game rather than just covers the spread (the chart from which this information is obtained covers all point spreads)



Point spread - 7 points
Games at 7 points - 369
Underdog won - 96 games









(This excerpt from the chart in the article linked below says 7 point dog won 96 games and lost 369 games but that does not match up with the 26% actual win probability listed in the chart so I went with the assumption the 7 point underdog won 26% of 369 games played)

https://wizardofodds.com/games/sports-betting/nfl/

FWIW this is Tomlin's record through 2015 at various point spreads for both winning the game straight up and covering the spread

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Tomlin teams underperform more than might be expected at various point spreads as big favorites compared to the entire league. To some extent that might be due to the Steelers being a popular team for causal bettors for which the line is skewed upward to attract bets on the opposing underdog (sportsbooks goal is to have an equal amount bet on both teams and make their money off the vig paid for losing bets)

But big favorites losing games straight up is not just a Tomlin phenomenon

[Mojouw]

I'm still working through my morning jug of coffee -- but I think that Atlanta Dan just ruined the lifeblood of about 65% of the posters here!

Seems that betting lines are heavily influenced by how the sports books want the money to move and not always by the on-field product and...AND...ANNNNNDDDD....

....Non- Mike Tomlin coached teams lose as heavy favorites. I mean I have been told to believe that this is only something Cool Shades does!

[AtlantaDan]

I'm still working through my morning jug of coffee -- but I think that Atlanta Dan just ruined the lifeblood of about 65% of the posters here!

Seems that betting lines are heavily influenced by how the sports books want the money to move and not always by the on-field product and...AND...ANNNNNDDDD....

....Non- Mike Tomlin coached teams lose as heavy favorites. I mean I have been told to believe that this is only something Cool Shades does!

:chuckle:

Shorter version of my previous post - Tomlin teams having issues as a big road favorite (7 points or more) compared to the league average is not just an undocumented perception

Past history gives reason to be nervous about this Sunday's game and definitely be hesitant to give the points

[Born2Steel]

The fact that we historically don't come away from Soldier Field with a 'W' is reason enough for me to be nervous.

Still, I think this week we will. And fairly easily. We stop Cohen, We stop the Bears.

[steel striker]

Two things get the win and, every Steeler remains healthy!

[DesertSteel]

Looks like Tuitt may be a go on Sunday. Watts didn't practice Thursday which doesn't sound promising.

[AtlantaDan]

One reason I enjoy posts by gamblers announcing their picks is they have to pay attention to what is going on since they back up their opinions with risking $$$ on it

This from Bill Simmons on Steelers-Bears

“Beware of any Steelers road game in which they’re undefeated and favored because Roethlisberger enjoys either getting hurt or completely shitting the bed at least once before the baseball playoffs start.”

Simmons is not living in his fears. He has the Steelers (-1/2) and the Packers (-2) this weekend on a two team teaser bet (for any non-gamblers out there you can “tease” two teams by nudging the game lines in their favor, but both teams have to win.)

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/22/16349532/week-3-nfl-picks-bill-simmons

[teegre]

I've known many a gambler who has told me that they stay away form Steelers games, because lines-makers figure that Steelers fans will bet heavily on their own team (no matter what)... and, in order to have an even amount of money on both sides of the lines, Vegas compensates by skewing the Steelers as higher favorites.

A line that should be 3 points will rise to about 7 points, in order to encourage people to pick the underdog... and thus, compensate for the overwhelming number of Steelers fans who bet on their own team.

Dan... what are your thoughts on this?

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[polamalubeast]

That Time Zone Thing (2017 Edition)

The Steelers 2016 slate did not include a single trip outside of the Eastern Time Zone until the Divisional Round in Kansas City. For those who have been long-time readers of my blogs and twitter, you know one of my favorite (weird) stats to harp on is the Steelers bizarre splits based on time zones. In 2015 the Steelers made five trips outside the Eastern Time Zone (including the playoff game in Denver) and went 2-3. In his 10 years as head coach of the Steelers, Mike Tomlin has inexplicably bad splits between his record in Eastern Standard Time and outside of Eastern Standard Time (that were not shared by his predecessors).

Over the last decade the Steelers have been the third best team in the league with a 111-63 overall record (.638 winning percentage). Only New England (139-41, .772) and Green Bay (116-61-1, .654) have been better during that span. Hidden in that, however, is just how bad the Steelers are when they have to travel outside of their time zone. For reference, I have included all regular season and playoff games in this analysis, so this is a reflection of the Steelers true overall record, playoffs included.

read more

http://steelcityblitz.com/that-time-zone-thing-2017-edition/

[AtlantaDan]

I've known many a gambler who has told me that they stay away form Steelers games, because lines-makers figure that Steelers fans will bet heavily on their own team (no matter what)... and, in order to have an even amount of money on both sides of the lines, Vegas compensates by skewing the Steelers as higher favorites.

A line that should be 3 points will rise to about 7 points, in order to encourage people to pick the underdog... and thus, compensate for the overwhelming number of Steelers fans who bet on their own team.

Dan... what are your thoughts on this?

My impression is the line does not move that much to draw in $$$, but you definitely pay a premium if you bet on a popular team at home - of course sometimes no increase is enough - Pats were 16-3 against the spread last season (Steelers were 11-8)

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/trends/ats_trends/?range=yearly_2016

General rule is that line moves in favor of favorites and the over along with recency bias to discount a team that lost the previous week while looking more favorably on a team that won the previous week - folks want to be associated with success

[AtlantaDan]

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Apparently Watt was injured on a punt coverage play - since AB is not returning punts (at least for now), good of Tomlin to go old school and have your #1 pick and starting OLB playing special teams

[86WARD]

On the road against a bad Chicago team. Has all the makings...

Certainly did.........

[Moose]

I knew it would happen...

[j-d-s]

Just wouldn't feel like the Steelers if we didn't lose on the Road to horrible teams.

[DesertSteel]

Meh..... still 11-5

[SteelMayhem72]

Ravens will wipe the floor with us after the beating they took

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[Born2Steel]

If the Bears beat GB tonight are they still a bad team?

(Finish my thought now)

Bears played ATL tough week 1. Beat us week 3. If they beat the Packers at Lambeau, the story of this Bears team changes, right? There was a lot of respect for the Vikings headed into week 2 on this forum, and mostly no respect for the Bears last week. Guess time will tell.

[SteelerFanInStl]

If the Bears beat GB tonight are they still a bad team?

LOL! They also were in position to beat the Falcons week 1. They're not as bad as people make them out to be.

[teegre]

If the Bears beat GB tonight are they still a bad team?

(Finish my thought now)

Bears played ATL tough week 1. Beat us week 3. If they beat the Packers at Lambeau, the story of this Bears team changes, right? There was a lot of respect for the Vikings headed into week 2 on this forum, and mostly no respect for the Bears last week. Guess time will tell.

Tonight???

I watched the game last night (with Charlie Daniels).

[Born2Steel]

Tonight???

I watched the game last night (with Charlie Daniels).

Well if you know the final score, share. I could use a win about now. I may be watching with 'Jack' Daniels.

[tube517]

Tonight???

I watched the game last night (with Charlie Daniels).

:lol: I think Charlie was drinking some Jack when he was tweeting.

[SteelMayhem72]

Bears are terrible like we all thought

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[DesertSteel]

Embarrassing

[Edman]

Bears are garbage.

Just admit it. Steelers lost to yet another shit team.

[steel striker]

Yep made me sick how easily the packers and Rodgers beat them.