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polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 07:02 AM
Now that the rosters move by the steelers are almost over, it's time to focus on the Browns!

I know your biggest concern for this game is that the steelers lose against a bad team, but what is your other concern for this game?

For me,this is the lack of action in the preseason by the first team offense and the new players that we have in the secondary, the communication could be a problem ....

salamander
09-04-2017, 07:21 AM
Should the Steelers win this game? Absolutely. But I agree that they're probably going to get off to a slow start until they get into a rhythm with each other.

teegre
09-04-2017, 07:42 AM
the steelers lose against a bad team

Mark Kaloby gets a nickel every time that is stated.

His "stats" were based on "bad" teams such as the 1-5 Chiefs who won the next 10 games & made the playoffs.

I wish that I had bookmarked an article (Steelers Depot? BTSC? SCU???) that listed the number of losses to "bad" teams by every team in the league and the Steelers were smack dab in the middle (tied with the Packers). But, obviously, we as Steelers fans only focus on the Steelers.

AtlantaDan
09-04-2017, 07:49 AM
For those who wager

Steelers -10 over Browns - over/under 47

Steelers +1050 to win Super Bowl (10.5 - 1) - New England clear favorite at +380
+500 to win AFC - New England favorite at +165
-180 to win AFC North (risk 180 to win 100) - Pats such a lock to win AFC East the site I use is not even offering odds

pczach
09-04-2017, 07:50 AM
Mark Kaloby gets a nickel every time that is stated.

His "stats" were based on "bad" teams such as the 1-5 Chiefs who won the next 10 games & made the playoffs.

I wish that I had bookmarked an article (Steelers Depot? BTSC? SCU???) that listed the number of losses to "bad" teams by every team in the league and the Steelers were smack dab in the middle (tied with the Packers). But, obviously, we as Steelers fans only focus on the Steelers.


It's just like saying that about beating "good" teams. If the Steelers beat a 4-2 team early in the year that finishes the season 6-10, did they really beat a "good" team?

Raw stats can paint any picture you want them to when trying to create a story. It's all about how you frame or explain those stats.

polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 07:51 AM
Mark Kaloby gets a nickel every time that is stated.

His "stats" were based on "bad" teams such as the 1-5 Chiefs who won the next 10 games & made the playoffs.

I wish that I had bookmarked an article (Steelers Depot? BTSC? SCU???) that listed the number of losses to "bad" teams by every team in the league and the Steelers were smack dab in the middle (tied with the Packers). But, obviously, we as Steelers fans only focus on the Steelers.


It's a bad stats, if he uses the record the opponent has at the time the team are playing against them, since it can be misleading.Like the seahawks or packers will have a losing record after week 1.

I prefer the record that the team finished in the end of the year, but it's not a perfect stats too.The steelers lost only one game against a losing team last year(eagles), but they played well at the time the steelers played against them.

But losing to a team like the Jets or Tampa Bay in 2014 was not acceptable!

AtlantaDan
09-04-2017, 07:52 AM
It's a bad stats, if he uses the record the opponent has at the time the team are playing against them, since it can be misleading.Like the seahawks or packers will have a losing record after week 1

Similar to flaw of using records for last season to project strength of schedule for this season

But the Steelers do seem to have one or two games a season that are inexplicable losses

tube517
09-04-2017, 07:54 AM
Mark Kaloby gets a nickel every time that is stated.

His "stats" were based on "bad" teams such as the 1-5 Chiefs who won the next 10 games & made the playoffs.

I wish that I had bookmarked an article (Steelers Depot? BTSC? SCU???) that listed the number of losses to "bad" teams by every team in the league and the Steelers were smack dab in the middle (tied with the Packers). But, obviously, we as Steelers fans only focus on the Steelers.

http://triblive.com/sports/robrossi/7084419-74/steelers-teams-games#ixzz3Ic0UM0PR

I posted this article in 2014 (article is after the Bucs loss and the saved by Brice McCain win vs the Jags that year)

Born2Steel
09-04-2017, 08:28 AM
The Browns have changed so much over the years it's common to not have a good idea who they are. This meeting, I don't really know the Steelers either. I hope Mitchell is 100% and ready to play. I can only assume Bell is ready to run like Bell. I'm ready to LOVE our pass rush again.

End of the day, not going to put too much into credence into this game, win or lose. With all the new faces here now, treat this like another preseason game. Hate to lose, love to win, but not going to go berserk if we do lose. Not going to claim best team ever if we shut them out and hang a 60 burger on them either.

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http://triblive.com/sports/robrossi/7084419-74/steelers-teams-games#ixzz3Ic0UM0PR

I posted this article in 2014 (article is after the Bucs loss and the saved by Brice McCain win vs the Jags that year)

If football really IS 90% mental and only 10% physical, we could look bad for 2-3 games until our newbies get on book with the rest.

polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 08:30 AM
The Browns have changed so much over the years it's common to not have a good idea who they are. This meeting, I don't really know the Steelers either. I hope Mitchell is 100% and ready to play. I can only assume Bell is ready to run like Bell. I'm ready to LOVE our pass rush again.

End of the day, not going to put too much into credence into this game, win or lose. With all the new faces here now, treat this like another preseason game. Hate to lose, love to win, but not going to go berserk if we do lose. Not going to claim best team ever if we shut them out and hang a 60 burger on them either.


It'll be hard to not be angry if we lose against the Browns especially if the Steelers want a playoff bye!

teegre
09-04-2017, 09:29 AM
Like the seahawks or packers will have a losing record after week 1.


Exactly.

I've used that example multiple times. After Week 1, half of the NFL has a losing record.

Mojouw
09-04-2017, 09:33 AM
I don't think I can take another season of the "bad" team howls from the internet after every single loss and any non two touchdown margin victory.

There re are few if any truly awful teams in the NFL anymore. The league has basically fiddled with things so that anyone can go from worst to first.

Other than the Jets and the 49ers, it's hard to look at rosters and say that anyone else is just totally terrible.

Born2Steel
09-04-2017, 09:39 AM
I do think our offense will need to carry this team for a few weeks. If we don't put 30pts up against the Browns, I may get worried.

86WARD
09-04-2017, 11:03 AM
I'll be upset if it's not at least 28-10.

polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 11:13 AM
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Great news!

polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 11:20 AM
I don't care about the score,I will just be happy with a win.

Rotorhead
09-04-2017, 11:27 AM
Yep, for the first few games a W is all that will matter to me. Everyone getting comfortable with each other and game plans. After that I will start looking for certain things.

tube517
09-04-2017, 11:34 AM
I don't care about the score,I will just be happy with a win.

True.

The Gameday thread will be full of firing requests, cutting requests, trade requests and overall doom.

ALLD
09-04-2017, 11:47 AM
There is no conventional way the Steelers lose this game. The offseason roster moves also inspire hope that the coaches will stop the cute play calling and focus on efficient play execution to win a SB starting Week 1.

polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 11:51 AM
I except that the Browns defense with Gregg Williams will be much better this year....Their offense will still be awful too.

SteelMayhem72
09-04-2017, 12:12 PM
It'll be hard to not be angry if we lose against the Browns especially if the Steelers want a playoff bye!This^^^^^

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polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 12:56 PM
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polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 01:20 PM
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AtlantaDan
09-04-2017, 01:22 PM
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To be expected if you only gave up smoking weed a few weeks ago in time to be clean for your test when you reported

polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 01:24 PM
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polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 02:09 PM
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st33lersguy
09-04-2017, 04:03 PM
The last two years in Cleveland, it was a one possession game into the 4th quarter before the Steelers pulled away. That is probably what we will get again, starting off slow, taking a little bit to get going before pulling away

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Mark Kaloby gets a nickel every time that is stated.

His "stats" were based on "bad" teams such as the 1-5 Chiefs who won the next 10 games & made the playoffs.

I wish that I had bookmarked an article (Steelers Depot? BTSC? SCU???) that listed the number of losses to "bad" teams by every team in the league and the Steelers were smack dab in the middle (tied with the Packers). But, obviously, we as Steelers fans only focus on the Steelers.

Or losing to the 1-4 Dolphins who the Steelers would play that year again in the playoffs

polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 04:09 PM
The key on defense, it's going to be to not to give the big play, since I do not think their QB will be constant and accurate to make long drive ending with a TD.

So I would agree with a zone defense in this game.

polamalubeast
09-04-2017, 05:25 PM
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Iron Steeler
09-04-2017, 09:08 PM
just win! every opponent one gameday is the best team in the world. and we need to crush em!

BlackAndGold
09-04-2017, 10:59 PM
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Believe he did some kick returning at USC.

No matter who is back there, just take the knee.

polamalubeast
09-05-2017, 10:05 AM
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polamalubeast
09-05-2017, 10:55 AM
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Crazy!!!!

polamalubeast
09-05-2017, 11:05 AM
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tube517
09-05-2017, 11:07 AM
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Hawkman
09-05-2017, 02:32 PM
No matter who is back there, just take the knee.

That's fine in theory, but many teams last year and this year in pre-season, kicked short of the endzone, can't take a knee there, and certainly can't bank on the ball bouncing in the endzone.

AtlantaDan
09-05-2017, 03:46 PM
Sounds like Bryant may not be focused like a laser beam in practice so far

Ben threw this out in his radio show this morning

Roethlisberger told Martavis Bryant that, in so many words, training camp was over, and they needed him to deliver. “No more ‘my bads,’” Roethlisberger said. “He was all excited about that and fully committed to it and said he’s he ready to go.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/09/05/ben-roethlisberger-age-joe-haden-steelers-preview-2017-martavis-bryant/stories/201709050124

polamalubeast
09-06-2017, 11:19 AM
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The steelers defense need to be ready for that.

Born2Steel
09-06-2017, 11:40 AM
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The steelers defense need to be ready for that.

If this pass rush does what I think it can, Kizer won't have the time to get it deep.

polamalubeast
09-06-2017, 11:46 AM
If this pass rush does what I think it can, Kizer won't have the time to get it deep.


It will help, but it's important to not put yourself in a vulnerable position against the deep pass.

The big play will be the only way that the browns will be able to score against us since I do not think Kizer is accurate and consistent enough to make a 10-15 play drive for a TD.

Born2Steel
09-06-2017, 12:25 PM
I believe they said they wanted to make teams have to beat them with the deep ball this year. That tells me 2 things up front. 1. They expect the pass rush to get home quicker. and 2. They plan to defend the dink and dunk better.

polamalubeast
09-06-2017, 12:29 PM
I believe they said they wanted to make teams have to beat them with the deep ball this year. That tells me 2 things up front. 1. They expect the pass rush to get home quicker. and 2. They plan to defend the dink and dunk better.


Against the majority of the opponents, I agree that the steelers have to defend the dink and dunk, but against the Browns, the only way they are going to be able to score against us, it's going to be with the big play.

BurghBoy412
09-06-2017, 01:14 PM
I expect this team to win this game. However I suspect it will be a close game and very sloppy.

polamalubeast
09-06-2017, 02:45 PM
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salamander
09-06-2017, 02:50 PM
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Guess Mike Mitchell wouldn't give up his 23 :chuckle:

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
09-06-2017, 02:52 PM
The fact that Vegas is only giving them 10 points and us going against a rookie QB it should be at least 14. This tells me it will be a close game.

tube517
09-06-2017, 03:00 PM
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0697171545138663760-4

Joe (w/the 21) and Artie.

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polamalubeast
09-06-2017, 03:03 PM
No Mitchell on the injury report.

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ALLD
09-06-2017, 03:28 PM
Cleveland will have a better chance to score on a turnover. As far as them mounting a TD drive past the 1st quarter not in garbage time is a low probability.

stillers4me
09-06-2017, 03:58 PM
Let the karma begin...........

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stillers4me
09-06-2017, 04:37 PM
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Hawkman
09-06-2017, 04:41 PM
I wanted to see how AV did against him.

Mojouw
09-06-2017, 04:56 PM
For me, this week is about the following:
1. What version of Joe Haden are the Steelers getting?
2. What can TJ Watt really do?
3. Did Bud Dupree really develop into a double digit sack guy this off-season?

If the answer to all those things comes out positive - then I will be happy regardless of the outcome. The reality of this week, despite what Mike T and the rest say, is that this is a preseason game for Pittsburgh. I expect it to be disjointed and sloppy.

43Hitman
09-06-2017, 05:01 PM
For me, this week is about the following:
1. What version of Joe Haden are the Steelers getting?
2. What can TJ Watt really do?
3. Did Bud Dupree really develop into a double digit sack guy this off-season?

If the answer to all those things comes out positive - then I will be happy regardless of the outcome. The reality of this week, despite what Mike T and the rest say, is that this is a preseason game for Pittsburgh. I expect it to be disjointed and sloppy.Me too. Ben has had what, two drives? No Bell at camp working with the line, three new pieces playing a lot of snaps on defense. Not to mention that one of those players is a rookie. Yeah, it will be sloppy, but we'll still win it.

polamalubeast
09-06-2017, 05:05 PM
It will be a physical game...

Roethlisberger Expecting Tough, Physical Game Vs Browns

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/09/roethlisberger-expecting-tough-physical-game-vs-browns/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SteelersDepotBlog+%28Steelers +Depot%29

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polamalubeast
09-06-2017, 05:20 PM
Yes it was only in the preseason,but the Browns defense was great in the preseason!

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2017&seasonType=PRE&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG

The steelers need to take this defense seriously!

polamalubeast
09-06-2017, 06:47 PM
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teegre
09-06-2017, 07:01 PM
Yes it was only in the preseason,but the Browns defense was great in the preseason!

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2017&seasonType=PRE&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG

The steelers need to take this defense seriously!

I'd put the Browns defense in the first quarter up against ANY team in the league.

The problem us is that by the second half, they're gassed.

AtlantaDan
09-06-2017, 07:03 PM
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Fake news (my new favorite cliche) - match him up with AB or Bryant and see what happens

BlackAndGold
09-06-2017, 09:54 PM
Fake news (my new favorite cliche) - match him up with AB or Bryant and see what happens

Keeping up with DHB is pretty impressive. He may no longer be the 4.3 guy anymore but he still can flat out fly down the field.

After Haden's surgery on both groins, there were questions if it would slow him down(wasn't that fast to begin with). Keeping up with DHB is a great sign that he has recovered well.

tube517
09-07-2017, 04:21 AM
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AtlantaDan
09-07-2017, 08:27 AM
Keeping up with DHB is pretty impressive. He may no longer be the 4.3 guy anymore but he still can flat out fly down the field.

After Haden's surgery on both groins, there were questions if it would slow him down(wasn't that fast to begin with). Keeping up with DHB is a great sign that he has recovered well.

Success in covering DHB is like running the 40 at the combine - great if the receiver only runs in a straight line - test of Haden's groin injuries will be covering someone who makes a cut

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Dreaded high ankle sprain

[H]is status will be updated in a couple weeks

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20616316/cleveland-browns-defensive-end-myles-garrett-high-ankle-sprain

polamalubeast
09-07-2017, 11:09 AM
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Born2Steel
09-07-2017, 11:14 AM
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I guess we root for KC and then have to beat them head to head later?

Go for TN over Oak? OR Oak over TN?

Jax over Houston?

And Baltimore because we hate Cincy more right now?

What about Broncos/Chargers?

These are the games that could determine seeding come playoff time.

polamalubeast
09-07-2017, 11:23 AM
Too early for the Scoreboard watching!!!!

Especially that for some teams, we do not know if they will be good or not.I always start the scoreboard watching in November, except when it's the Ravens or the Bengals since they are in our division.

SteelerFanInStl
09-07-2017, 12:00 PM
Too early for the Scoreboard watching!!!!

Especially that for some teams, we do not know if they will be good or not.I always start the scoreboard watching in November, except when it's the Ravens or the Bengals since they are in our division.

I agree. I don't care who beats who other than the Steelers winning.

Born2Steel
09-07-2017, 12:44 PM
Too early for the Scoreboard watching!!!!

Especially that for some teams, we do not know if they will be good or not.I always start the scoreboard watching in November, except when it's the Ravens or the Bengals since they are in our division.

Then what was the 'PICKS' post for?

teegre
09-07-2017, 02:05 PM
I guess we root for KC and then have to beat them head to head later?

Go for TN over Oak? OR Oak over TN?

Jax over Houston?

And Baltimore because we hate Cincy more right now?

What about Broncos/Chargers?

These are the games that could determine seeding come playoff time.

Unless it hurts the Steelers, I always root for the Taperiots, the Ravens, and the Bengals to lose.

I'll be rooting for a Bengals win, because I always feel that the Ravens are the more dangerous team.

Da Raidahs could be scary, especially on the west coast; so, I'll root for the Titans in that game.

Broncos and Chargers... neither seems like they'll be in the playoffs (since they are in the division with Da Raidahs and the Chiefs).

polamalubeast
09-07-2017, 02:49 PM
Then what was the 'PICKS' post for?


It was just to show that someone had chosen the Browns to win!

Born2Steel
09-07-2017, 04:34 PM
It was just to show that someone had chosen the Browns to win!

Ah. I wonder why they picked the Browns. Will this be a different Oline than what we saw last year? Will the D be better without Haden, Pryor, and Garrett? I know all these guys collect an NFL paycheck, and have skills that make them legit players. I just really think ours are much better.

DesertSteel
09-07-2017, 07:26 PM
I'm expecting Mitchell to be out. Now I'm hearing that Dupree is ailing (shoulder, ankle). We'll be fine against the Browns, but does Dupree ever get out of the preseason uninjured? At least Shazier waits until the real games to get injured.

polamalubeast
09-07-2017, 07:28 PM
I'm expecting Mitchell to be out. Now I'm hearing that Dupree is ailing (shoulder, ankle). We'll be fine against the Browns, but does Dupree ever get out of the preseason uninsured? At least Shazier waits until the real games to get injured.

Mitchell is not on the injury report.....And if you can play...Play!....Only 16 games in the NFL.

Hawkman
09-07-2017, 08:08 PM
...Only 16 games in the NFL.

19 in our case!:wink02:

polamalubeast
09-07-2017, 08:09 PM
19 in our case!��


regular season game!

SteelMayhem72
09-07-2017, 09:34 PM
Ive never been really sold on dupree...this should define him this year

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polamalubeast
09-08-2017, 03:07 PM
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Moose
09-08-2017, 04:56 PM
It just scares me how we always play down to bottom feeder's and then find ourselves trying to play catch-up. Hopefully Tomlin doesn't get conservative and lets the team score as many points as they can in 60 minutes !

BurghBoy412
09-08-2017, 06:34 PM
Would I be crazy to say??? The outcome of this game will be determined by the play of Sean Davis and Mike Mitchell. I've gotta feeling here.

polamalubeast
09-08-2017, 06:35 PM
The steelers have 25 sacks in 4 games against the Browns in the last 2 years.....

Born2Steel
09-08-2017, 06:38 PM
Cleveland's D may be pretty good. I do not think them capable of hanging with/stopping AB, Bryant, Rogers, and Bell for 60mins. I truly see this one getting ugly before it's over.

43Hitman
09-08-2017, 06:39 PM
Would I be crazy to say??? The outcome of this game will be determined by the play of Sean Davis and Mike Mitchell. I've gotta feeling here.It very well could be. I would say that and our running game are critical. We know that Kizer loves the deep ball and is confident in his arm strength. Perhaps over confident for his first start. Mitchell and Davis could very well play a huge role in whether that confidence comes to fruition in this game or not.

BurghBoy412
09-09-2017, 07:33 AM
It very well could be. I would say that and our running game are critical. We know that Kizer loves the deep ball and is confident in his arm strength. Perhaps over confident for his first start. Mitchell and Davis could very well play a huge role in whether that confidence comes to fruition in this game or not.I like how Mitchell and Davis sounds like a law firm. If these guys mesh well and start shutting down the air game what should we call the law firm of Mitchell, Davis, Burns and Haden?

43Hitman
09-09-2017, 10:20 AM
I like how Mitchell and Davis sounds like a law firm. If these guys mesh well and start shutting down the air game what should we call the law firm of Mitchell, Davis, Burns and Haden?

The Law Firm of Mitchell, Davis, Burns & Haden



I like it too. :drink:

stillers4me
09-09-2017, 01:03 PM
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86WARD
09-09-2017, 01:26 PM
It just scares me how we always play down to bottom feeder's and then find ourselves trying to play catch-up. Hopefully Tomlin doesn't get conservative and lets the team score as many points as they can in 60 minutes !

Usually doesn't happen on the road in Ohio though...

BurghBoy412
09-10-2017, 08:57 AM
O/U 5 sacks today? I've got the over.

SteelerFanInStl
09-10-2017, 09:01 AM
O/U 5 sacks today? I've got the over.

That would be nice to see. Kizer's young but he can move. I'll take 3-5 sacks and a couple of interceptions.

BurghBoy412
09-10-2017, 09:10 AM
That would be nice to see. Kizer's young but he can move. I'll take 3-5 sacks and a couple of interceptions.

He isn't afraid to tuck it and run thats for sure. He's pretty decisive and gets rid of the ball quickly. Coverage must be sticky today.

polamalubeast
09-10-2017, 09:15 AM
who start the gamethread?

BurghBoy412
09-10-2017, 09:20 AM
Burns vs Coleman is a key matchup